Your food is no cleaner than mine
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a little butt hurt in this thread is understated; and snark at Costco may be purchased by the skid, along with pizza, ice cream, and coffee. Cardio, well you'll have to run to the store for that one.
The warehouse style shopping is sure to bring out the snark! Maybe they aren't pumping in enough oxygen :laugh:0 -
It's not false, I'm saying I've never seen one - I've yet in my life to meet (online or in real life) an elitest clean eater
This cannot be true. You are on the MFP boards. You can't possibly not have come across that.
I personally have been on the receiving end of the jabs and actually name calling from a clean eater...
Why because I eat fruit loops...yup...fruit loops...
Then there is the rampant distain shown for those of us with AMG Chocolate in our diary...or prepackaged dinners etc.
I was once food-diary-shamed for having 13g of hershey's syrup in my protein drinks by a clean-eating disciple...that I was damaging my health (among other claims where he was completely oblivious to the concept of context and dose). That's just the most recent example of many.
And yet, I keep my food diary open...while it seems that so many of the loudest clean-eating zealots keep theirs locked up. Interesting, no?
Most of us who have been around for a bit have had certain experiences. I got a very nasty PM from a woman after I confessed that never in my more than 60 years have a eaten a store bought pizza, or one from any kind of restaurant. The woman did not know me, but implied that by eating pizza I could get a sex life among other things. I thought about it and a couple of weeks later bought a slice at a Sam's club.......well, I still don't like pizza and I still have no sex life....lol.
I also keep my diary open and have been put down; " Baby, your IF whole foods diet is **** ". I have never said that I eat whole foods only ( I usually call it a natural food based diet ) and have never told anyone what they ate was wrong unless I was specifically asked ( as in " Look at my diary and tell me how to get more protein " ) and would never foist the same diet I eat on anyone. I also don't want to be told that what I need is a decent cheat meal with a hamburger and a lot of bacon.
People usually eat a diet that was formed by the culture they live(d) in and by personal food experiences and the preferences that developed from those and that means that we are not all the same.
I agree with you some of the loudest clean-eating people keep their diary closed....but you know what ? So do some of the most loud mouthed dirty eaters.....some people on either side of the spectrum just like to stir the pot.
I disagree that it is not decidedly lopsided from the several times I've checked so many of the threads where it was easy to determine which side of the argument someone was on. I suppose it could be selection bias (despite checking each poster) or I just had bad/nonrepresentative samples each time, but I'm convinced it's a solid conclusion.
Well I know for myself that after having my diary and weight loss progress bashed by oppositional people, I chose to avoid that kind of confrontation by simply closing my diary off from public viewing. I don't come on to MFP to be told by IIFYMers or moderation eaters or what have you that my views on food must be wrong because I have eaten a box of Smarties or because I haven't lost a lot of weight yet (god forbid someone have views on food but only be starting out on their serious weight loss journey....).
MFP is decidedly pro moderation/IIFYM and against clean eating or Paleo, etc. which means that more often it will be the clean eaters, Paleo eaters, etc. that get bashed simply because there's fewer of them and more of the moderates, etc., so there'll likely be more bashers from the other side which means clean eaters and Paleo eaters, etc. will probably get attacked more often. Which probably means more will choose as I did to avoid being personally attacked by closing their diary and getting rid of their weight loss tickers.
I've never once made fun of someone for their weight loss success or lack thereof, but I have been made fun of for mine. It's incredibly demeaning, insulting and unhelpful in a community that's supposed to be supportive, so I chose to avoid it - I don't need that kind of shaming from people who are against food shaming but apparently actively support people shaming.
^^^^THIS! I agree that anyone eating even remotely different get bashed here and quite frankly don't like it. I'd be curious as to how many doing the bashing are actually being honest in their open diaries? Did they really eat that ice cream or did they just record they ate it? My bet is on not eating it but recording they did just so they can argue! I think I'll remove my ticker as well. Thanks for the tip.
You believe people are logging false entries just to argue. . . interesting. Best of luck with your goals.0 -
I never experience negative comments about my way of eating "in the real world". It only happens on here.We get people like that at my Costco on the weekends! So obnoxious and rude!
Aside of the MFP forums, I really don't run into the obnoxious, rude or judgmental comments over my food choices. If anyone has an opinion, they politely keep them to themselves. In all honesty, that is the way it should be.
I can recall two incidents with naive and obviously new vegetarians at a campus eatery being very vocal about the choice of food for everyone in line so it wasn't personally at me alone. In general, my grocery cart does look odd compared to others because there's never any meat, poultry, packaged (eg. dry cereal, boxed meals), bakery or canned foods. Now one could assume we don't eat those things or draw a conclusion that we are clean eaters BUT they don't say anything. For the most part, I get more questions on how to cook something because they know we eat that and know how to.0 -
It's not false, I'm saying I've never seen one - I've yet in my life to meet (online or in real life) an elitest clean eater
This cannot be true. You are on the MFP boards. You can't possibly not have come across that.
I personally have been on the receiving end of the jabs and actually name calling from a clean eater...
Why because I eat fruit loops...yup...fruit loops...
Then there is the rampant distain shown for those of us with AMG Chocolate in our diary...or prepackaged dinners etc.
I was once food-diary-shamed for having 13g of hershey's syrup in my protein drinks by a clean-eating disciple...that I was damaging my health (among other claims where he was completely oblivious to the concept of context and dose). That's just the most recent example of many.
And yet, I keep my food diary open...while it seems that so many of the loudest clean-eating zealots keep theirs locked up. Interesting, no?
Most of us who have been around for a bit have had certain experiences. I got a very nasty PM from a woman after I confessed that never in my more than 60 years have a eaten a store bought pizza, or one from any kind of restaurant. The woman did not know me, but implied that by eating pizza I could get a sex life among other things. I thought about it and a couple of weeks later bought a slice at a Sam's club.......well, I still don't like pizza and I still have no sex life....lol.
I also keep my diary open and have been put down; " Baby, your IF whole foods diet is **** ". I have never said that I eat whole foods only ( I usually call it a natural food based diet ) and have never told anyone what they ate was wrong unless I was specifically asked ( as in " Look at my diary and tell me how to get more protein " ) and would never foist the same diet I eat on anyone. I also don't want to be told that what I need is a decent cheat meal with a hamburger and a lot of bacon.
People usually eat a diet that was formed by the culture they live(d) in and by personal food experiences and the preferences that developed from those and that means that we are not all the same.
I agree with you some of the loudest clean-eating people keep their diary closed....but you know what ? So do some of the most loud mouthed dirty eaters.....some people on either side of the spectrum just like to stir the pot.
I disagree that it is not decidedly lopsided from the several times I've checked so many of the threads where it was easy to determine which side of the argument someone was on. I suppose it could be selection bias (despite checking each poster) or I just had bad/nonrepresentative samples each time, but I'm convinced it's a solid conclusion.
Well I know for myself that after having my diary and weight loss progress bashed by oppositional people, I chose to avoid that kind of confrontation by simply closing my diary off from public viewing. I don't come on to MFP to be told by IIFYMers or moderation eaters or what have you that my views on food must be wrong because I have eaten a box of Smarties or because I haven't lost a lot of weight yet (god forbid someone have views on food but only be starting out on their serious weight loss journey....).
MFP is decidedly pro moderation/IIFYM and against clean eating or Paleo, etc. which means that more often it will be the clean eaters, Paleo eaters, etc. that get bashed simply because there's fewer of them and more of the moderates, etc., so there'll likely be more bashers from the other side which means clean eaters and Paleo eaters, etc. will probably get attacked more often. Which probably means more will choose as I did to avoid being personally attacked by closing their diary and getting rid of their weight loss tickers.
I've never once made fun of someone for their weight loss success or lack thereof, but I have been made fun of for mine. It's incredibly demeaning, insulting and unhelpful in a community that's supposed to be supportive, so I chose to avoid it - I don't need that kind of shaming from people who are against food shaming but apparently actively support people shaming.
^^^^THIS! I agree that anyone eating even remotely different get bashed here and quite frankly don't like it. I'd be curious as to how many doing the bashing are actually being honest in their open diaries? Did they really eat that ice cream or did they just record they ate it? My bet is on not eating it but recording they did just so they can argue! I think I'll remove my ticker as well. Thanks for the tip.
You believe people are logging false entries just to argue. . . interesting. Best of luck with your goals.
The thought had crossed my mind. Thank-you for your well wishes. I met my weight goal a couple of weeks ago :flowerforyou:0 -
It's not false, I'm saying I've never seen one - I've yet in my life to meet (online or in real life) an elitest clean eater
This cannot be true. You are on the MFP boards. You can't possibly not have come across that.
I personally have been on the receiving end of the jabs and actually name calling from a clean eater...
Why because I eat fruit loops...yup...fruit loops...
Then there is the rampant distain shown for those of us with AMG Chocolate in our diary...or prepackaged dinners etc.
I was once food-diary-shamed for having 13g of hershey's syrup in my protein drinks by a clean-eating disciple...that I was damaging my health (among other claims where he was completely oblivious to the concept of context and dose). That's just the most recent example of many.
And yet, I keep my food diary open...while it seems that so many of the loudest clean-eating zealots keep theirs locked up. Interesting, no?
Most of us who have been around for a bit have had certain experiences. I got a very nasty PM from a woman after I confessed that never in my more than 60 years have a eaten a store bought pizza, or one from any kind of restaurant. The woman did not know me, but implied that by eating pizza I could get a sex life among other things. I thought about it and a couple of weeks later bought a slice at a Sam's club.......well, I still don't like pizza and I still have no sex life....lol.
I also keep my diary open and have been put down; " Baby, your IF whole foods diet is **** ". I have never said that I eat whole foods only ( I usually call it a natural food based diet ) and have never told anyone what they ate was wrong unless I was specifically asked ( as in " Look at my diary and tell me how to get more protein " ) and would never foist the same diet I eat on anyone. I also don't want to be told that what I need is a decent cheat meal with a hamburger and a lot of bacon.
People usually eat a diet that was formed by the culture they live(d) in and by personal food experiences and the preferences that developed from those and that means that we are not all the same.
I agree with you some of the loudest clean-eating people keep their diary closed....but you know what ? So do some of the most loud mouthed dirty eaters.....some people on either side of the spectrum just like to stir the pot.
I disagree that it is not decidedly lopsided from the several times I've checked so many of the threads where it was easy to determine which side of the argument someone was on. I suppose it could be selection bias (despite checking each poster) or I just had bad/nonrepresentative samples each time, but I'm convinced it's a solid conclusion.
Well I know for myself that after having my diary and weight loss progress bashed by oppositional people, I chose to avoid that kind of confrontation by simply closing my diary off from public viewing. I don't come on to MFP to be told by IIFYMers or moderation eaters or what have you that my views on food must be wrong because I have eaten a box of Smarties or because I haven't lost a lot of weight yet (god forbid someone have views on food but only be starting out on their serious weight loss journey....).
MFP is decidedly pro moderation/IIFYM and against clean eating or Paleo, etc. which means that more often it will be the clean eaters, Paleo eaters, etc. that get bashed simply because there's fewer of them and more of the moderates, etc., so there'll likely be more bashers from the other side which means clean eaters and Paleo eaters, etc. will probably get attacked more often. Which probably means more will choose as I did to avoid being personally attacked by closing their diary and getting rid of their weight loss tickers.
I've never once made fun of someone for their weight loss success or lack thereof, but I have been made fun of for mine. It's incredibly demeaning, insulting and unhelpful in a community that's supposed to be supportive, so I chose to avoid it - I don't need that kind of shaming from people who are against food shaming but apparently actively support people shaming.
^^^^THIS! I agree that anyone eating even remotely different get bashed here and quite frankly don't like it. I'd be curious as to how many doing the bashing are actually being honest in their open diaries? Did they really eat that ice cream or did they just record they ate it? My bet is on not eating it but recording they did just so they can argue! I think I'll remove my ticker as well. Thanks for the tip.
You believe people are logging false entries just to argue. . . interesting. Best of luck with your goals.
The thought had crossed my mind. Thank-you for your well wishes. I met my weight goal a couple of weeks ago :flowerforyou:
Congrats. I doubt people are taking the time to log false entries. Glad you met your goals. Enjoy the Spring day, I'm out.....0 -
It's not false, I'm saying I've never seen one - I've yet in my life to meet (online or in real life) an elitest clean eater
This cannot be true. You are on the MFP boards. You can't possibly not have come across that.
I personally have been on the receiving end of the jabs and actually name calling from a clean eater...
Why because I eat fruit loops...yup...fruit loops...
Then there is the rampant distain shown for those of us with AMG Chocolate in our diary...or prepackaged dinners etc.
I was once food-diary-shamed for having 13g of hershey's syrup in my protein drinks by a clean-eating disciple...that I was damaging my health (among other claims where he was completely oblivious to the concept of context and dose). That's just the most recent example of many.
And yet, I keep my food diary open...while it seems that so many of the loudest clean-eating zealots keep theirs locked up. Interesting, no?
Most of us who have been around for a bit have had certain experiences. I got a very nasty PM from a woman after I confessed that never in my more than 60 years have a eaten a store bought pizza, or one from any kind of restaurant. The woman did not know me, but implied that by eating pizza I could get a sex life among other things. I thought about it and a couple of weeks later bought a slice at a Sam's club.......well, I still don't like pizza and I still have no sex life....lol.
I also keep my diary open and have been put down; " Baby, your IF whole foods diet is **** ". I have never said that I eat whole foods only ( I usually call it a natural food based diet ) and have never told anyone what they ate was wrong unless I was specifically asked ( as in " Look at my diary and tell me how to get more protein " ) and would never foist the same diet I eat on anyone. I also don't want to be told that what I need is a decent cheat meal with a hamburger and a lot of bacon.
People usually eat a diet that was formed by the culture they live(d) in and by personal food experiences and the preferences that developed from those and that means that we are not all the same.
I agree with you some of the loudest clean-eating people keep their diary closed....but you know what ? So do some of the most loud mouthed dirty eaters.....some people on either side of the spectrum just like to stir the pot.
I disagree that it is not decidedly lopsided from the several times I've checked so many of the threads where it was easy to determine which side of the argument someone was on. I suppose it could be selection bias (despite checking each poster) or I just had bad/nonrepresentative samples each time, but I'm convinced it's a solid conclusion.
The choice to keep their diary closed remains solely with the member. There are a multitude of reasons why a member would keep their diary closed and in some cases it would be best if they did for the sake of their own progress. If they are asking for help with their food choices or asking why they aren't losing, perhaps opening the diary briefly would help others in their replies BUT in many cases it just opens that person up to unnecessary criticism. I personally don't need the negativity others would bring over any entry in my diary and I really don't feel it is anyone's business what I eat since I'm not asking for help with my food choices and I have lost the weight I wanted to plus some. I also do not feel it is proper for other to shame or pressure those who choose to keep their food diaries private. You do you, I will do me!
I closed my food diary down to Friends Only. Frankly they're the only people I really care for opinions from on these matters. I had it fully open and got repeatedly blasted because my calorie intake was "too low" lol. Translated that just means I'm actually losing weight and made the haters feel bad for their poor choices.0 -
I just want to know why caffeine isn't clean. I pour hot water over ground up bits of vegetation. I drink it. What is the problem!
*Clutches coffee mug close and glares at clean eaters*
Since the field of " natural " eating is wide open and leaves me a lot of room for interpretation, I chose to believe that black coffee is clean, especially since caffeine is naturally occuring and I get the beans green from a co-op/coffee plantation I work with and roast them myself. ( In an old side vented popcorn popper brw.). I drink two big mugs every morning....:o).
I do however not believe the coffee is " natural/clean " if it is ingested Starbucks style with a gazillion additives from flavor components and other things.
My interpretation and I like it.0 -
I actually went to Costco yesterday and purchased some more snark by the bulk. I was running low and didn't want to have a crisis.
I'm going to look for a house over there in Pleasantville where you live. Does each house have a rainbow over it?We get people like that at my Costco on the weekends! So obnoxious and rude!
Aside of the MFP forums, I really don't run into the obnoxious, rude or judgmental comments over my food choices. If anyone has an opinion, they politely keep them to themselves. In all honesty, that is the way it should be.
I can recall two incidents with naive and obviously new vegetarians at a campus eatery being very vocal about the choice of food for everyone in line so it wasn't personally at me alone. In general, my grocery cart does look odd compared to others because there's never any meat, poultry, packaged (eg. dry cereal, boxed meals), bakery or canned foods. Now one could assume we don't eat those things or draw a conclusion that we are clean eaters BUT they don't say anything. For the most part, I get more questions on how to cook something because they know we eat that and know how to.
Snark doesn't become you! You see, we actually spend our time between three of our homes, one main, two vacation, only at our main residence 8 months of the year. At home, we know many of the folks we see in grocery store AND they don't comment on our food choices. So far, we have not run into any comments at either of our vacation homes. On the other hand, I spend very, very little time in a grocery store since only a very small portion of our food dollar is spent in on so I am not being exposed to the rude and obnoxious shoppers self appointed food police.
I did get criticized by some people while at the checkout because they were a little butt hurt at how much snark I was buying. They cried a little inside, I laughed a lot on the outside.
Next time though, I'm taking my larger unicorn shopping with me because the boxes were to heavy for the youngin' to carry comfortably.
Wow, is your Costco in a large dark cave ?0 -
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Come on now. Be serious. It's a the end of the rainbow.
I actually went to Costco yesterday and purchased some more snark by the bulk. I was running low and didn't want to have a crisis.
I'm going to look for a house over there in Pleasantville where you live. Does each house have a rainbow over it?We get people like that at my Costco on the weekends! So obnoxious and rude!
Aside of the MFP forums, I really don't run into the obnoxious, rude or judgmental comments over my food choices. If anyone has an opinion, they politely keep them to themselves. In all honesty, that is the way it should be.
I can recall two incidents with naive and obviously new vegetarians at a campus eatery being very vocal about the choice of food for everyone in line so it wasn't personally at me alone. In general, my grocery cart does look odd compared to others because there's never any meat, poultry, packaged (eg. dry cereal, boxed meals), bakery or canned foods. Now one could assume we don't eat those things or draw a conclusion that we are clean eaters BUT they don't say anything. For the most part, I get more questions on how to cook something because they know we eat that and know how to.
Snark doesn't become you! You see, we actually spend our time between three of our homes, one main, two vacation, only at our main residence 8 months of the year. At home, we know many of the folks we see in grocery store AND they don't comment on our food choices. So far, we have not run into any comments at either of our vacation homes. On the other hand, I spend very, very little time in a grocery store since only a very small portion of our food dollar is spent in on so I am not being exposed to the rude and obnoxious shoppers self appointed food police.
I did get criticized by some people while at the checkout because they were a little butt hurt at how much snark I was buying. They cried a little inside, I laughed a lot on the outside.
Next time though, I'm taking my larger unicorn shopping with me because the boxes were to heavy for the youngin' to carry comfortably.
Wow, is your Costco in a large dark cave ?
Amateurs. I grow my own snark. And it's organic.0 -
That's a fascinating translation, right there.It's not false, I'm saying I've never seen one - I've yet in my life to meet (online or in real life) an elitest clean eater
This cannot be true. You are on the MFP boards. You can't possibly not have come across that.
I personally have been on the receiving end of the jabs and actually name calling from a clean eater...
Why because I eat fruit loops...yup...fruit loops...
Then there is the rampant distain shown for those of us with AMG Chocolate in our diary...or prepackaged dinners etc.
I was once food-diary-shamed for having 13g of hershey's syrup in my protein drinks by a clean-eating disciple...that I was damaging my health (among other claims where he was completely oblivious to the concept of context and dose). That's just the most recent example of many.
And yet, I keep my food diary open...while it seems that so many of the loudest clean-eating zealots keep theirs locked up. Interesting, no?
Most of us who have been around for a bit have had certain experiences. I got a very nasty PM from a woman after I confessed that never in my more than 60 years have a eaten a store bought pizza, or one from any kind of restaurant. The woman did not know me, but implied that by eating pizza I could get a sex life among other things. I thought about it and a couple of weeks later bought a slice at a Sam's club.......well, I still don't like pizza and I still have no sex life....lol.
I also keep my diary open and have been put down; " Baby, your IF whole foods diet is **** ". I have never said that I eat whole foods only ( I usually call it a natural food based diet ) and have never told anyone what they ate was wrong unless I was specifically asked ( as in " Look at my diary and tell me how to get more protein " ) and would never foist the same diet I eat on anyone. I also don't want to be told that what I need is a decent cheat meal with a hamburger and a lot of bacon.
People usually eat a diet that was formed by the culture they live(d) in and by personal food experiences and the preferences that developed from those and that means that we are not all the same.
I agree with you some of the loudest clean-eating people keep their diary closed....but you know what ? So do some of the most loud mouthed dirty eaters.....some people on either side of the spectrum just like to stir the pot.
I disagree that it is not decidedly lopsided from the several times I've checked so many of the threads where it was easy to determine which side of the argument someone was on. I suppose it could be selection bias (despite checking each poster) or I just had bad/nonrepresentative samples each time, but I'm convinced it's a solid conclusion.
The choice to keep their diary closed remains solely with the member. There are a multitude of reasons why a member would keep their diary closed and in some cases it would be best if they did for the sake of their own progress. If they are asking for help with their food choices or asking why they aren't losing, perhaps opening the diary briefly would help others in their replies BUT in many cases it just opens that person up to unnecessary criticism. I personally don't need the negativity others would bring over any entry in my diary and I really don't feel it is anyone's business what I eat since I'm not asking for help with my food choices and I have lost the weight I wanted to plus some. I also do not feel it is proper for other to shame or pressure those who choose to keep their food diaries private. You do you, I will do me!
I closed my food diary down to Friends Only. Frankly they're the only people I really care for opinions from on these matters. I had it fully open and got repeatedly blasted because my calorie intake was "too low" lol. Translated that just means I'm actually losing weight and made the haters feel bad for their poor choices.0 -
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We all buy into something!
Of course. Some things are true, some aren't. It is true that the number of calories you eat affects weight loss. It is not true that eating a potato or a banana or even taco bell (I hate taco bell, and haven't been there since college, not sure why I'm using it) within your calories will magically cause you to gain weight. On the other hand--as I said--people may quite reasonably decide not to eat any of these foods, but not because something about them stops weight loss from working. There seems to be this notion by some that you can't lose weight unless you have some kind of special weight loss diet plan that gives you the correct foods and avoids the bad ones and combines them properly, and that's just not true. Why are you arguing with this? Given your other posts, I find it hard to believe you actually disagree.Your diary isn't open, but I guess you perhaps log your food - well if so I'm afraid you've bought into calorie counting.
It's open to my friends. I haven't asked for advice, so I don't see a reason to change the settings I started with, although I'm not especially opposed to the idea.Something I haven't personally bought into, but I understand for many people it's a restrictive tool to help them loss weight and that's fine.
As you've admitted elsewhere, following a paleo or low carb diet results, for many people, in calorie restriction. I know it would for me. I like counting because otherwise my idea of being careful leads me to go overboard and eat too few, when trying to lose weight. And, as I said a few posts up, the ideal diet (or lifestyle or whatever one wants to call it) shouldn't feel restrictive or like it requires willpower all the time. You should feel like you are eating how you like and are satisfied. I do, so the restrictive dig isn't really applicable. I also accept that that's why paleo works for people, and low carb. The only objection I would have to either is when people are told that calories don't matter, or that eating gluten will result in them gaining weight, regardless of calories (assuming no medical problem that requires abstaining from gluten).On the flip side some people choice to abstain from certain trigger foods or foods they believe are a less nutritionally healthy choice than other foods and they use that particular tool for their weight loss.
How is this different from what I said?0 -
Man, I had no idea I felt so bad due to my poor choices. Le sigh.......
That's a fascinating translation, right there.It's not false, I'm saying I've never seen one - I've yet in my life to meet (online or in real life) an elitest clean eater
This cannot be true. You are on the MFP boards. You can't possibly not have come across that.
I personally have been on the receiving end of the jabs and actually name calling from a clean eater...
Why because I eat fruit loops...yup...fruit loops...
Then there is the rampant distain shown for those of us with AMG Chocolate in our diary...or prepackaged dinners etc.
I was once food-diary-shamed for having 13g of hershey's syrup in my protein drinks by a clean-eating disciple...that I was damaging my health (among other claims where he was completely oblivious to the concept of context and dose). That's just the most recent example of many.
And yet, I keep my food diary open...while it seems that so many of the loudest clean-eating zealots keep theirs locked up. Interesting, no?
Most of us who have been around for a bit have had certain experiences. I got a very nasty PM from a woman after I confessed that never in my more than 60 years have a eaten a store bought pizza, or one from any kind of restaurant. The woman did not know me, but implied that by eating pizza I could get a sex life among other things. I thought about it and a couple of weeks later bought a slice at a Sam's club.......well, I still don't like pizza and I still have no sex life....lol.
I also keep my diary open and have been put down; " Baby, your IF whole foods diet is **** ". I have never said that I eat whole foods only ( I usually call it a natural food based diet ) and have never told anyone what they ate was wrong unless I was specifically asked ( as in " Look at my diary and tell me how to get more protein " ) and would never foist the same diet I eat on anyone. I also don't want to be told that what I need is a decent cheat meal with a hamburger and a lot of bacon.
People usually eat a diet that was formed by the culture they live(d) in and by personal food experiences and the preferences that developed from those and that means that we are not all the same.
I agree with you some of the loudest clean-eating people keep their diary closed....but you know what ? So do some of the most loud mouthed dirty eaters.....some people on either side of the spectrum just like to stir the pot.
I disagree that it is not decidedly lopsided from the several times I've checked so many of the threads where it was easy to determine which side of the argument someone was on. I suppose it could be selection bias (despite checking each poster) or I just had bad/nonrepresentative samples each time, but I'm convinced it's a solid conclusion.
The choice to keep their diary closed remains solely with the member. There are a multitude of reasons why a member would keep their diary closed and in some cases it would be best if they did for the sake of their own progress. If they are asking for help with their food choices or asking why they aren't losing, perhaps opening the diary briefly would help others in their replies BUT in many cases it just opens that person up to unnecessary criticism. I personally don't need the negativity others would bring over any entry in my diary and I really don't feel it is anyone's business what I eat since I'm not asking for help with my food choices and I have lost the weight I wanted to plus some. I also do not feel it is proper for other to shame or pressure those who choose to keep their food diaries private. You do you, I will do me!
I closed my food diary down to Friends Only. Frankly they're the only people I really care for opinions from on these matters. I had it fully open and got repeatedly blasted because my calorie intake was "too low" lol. Translated that just means I'm actually losing weight and made the haters feel bad for their poor choices.
And see I never named a single name, but I guess if you sit out a box some people just can't help but toss themselves right into it.0 -
I just want to know why caffeine isn't clean. I pour hot water over ground up bits of vegetation. I drink it. What is the problem!
*Clutches coffee mug close and glares at clean eaters*
You just have to find the right "clean eater" to ask. Similarly, I could have bought some ice cream this morning at the green market, made from the milk of grass fed cows on a nearby small family farm. Clean? Or is the sugar a deal-breaker? Plus, yeah, I'm not a baby cow.0 -
^^^^THIS! I agree that anyone eating even remotely different get bashed here and quite frankly don't like it. I'd be curious as to how many doing the bashing are actually being honest in their open diaries? Did they really eat that ice cream or did they just record they ate it? My bet is on not eating it but recording they did just so they can argue! I think I'll remove my ticker as well. Thanks for the tip.
Wow.You believe people are logging false entries just to argue. . . interesting. Best of luck with your goals.
^thisI closed my food diary down to Friends Only. Frankly they're the only people I really care for opinions from on these matters. I had it fully open and got repeatedly blasted because my calorie intake was "too low" lol. Translated that just means I'm actually losing weight and made the haters feel bad for their poor choices.
Is that honestly how you translated this? Interesting rationalization.You see, we actually spend our time between three of our homes, one main, two vacation, only at our main residence 8 months of the year.
This reminds me of someone else who used to be on MFP. Interesting.0 -
I just want to know why caffeine isn't clean. I pour hot water over ground up bits of vegetation. I drink it. What is the problem!
*Clutches coffee mug close and glares at clean eaters*
You just have to find the right "clean eater" to ask. Similarly, I could have bought some ice cream this morning at the green market, made from the milk of grass fed cows on a nearby small family farm. Clean? Or is the sugar a deal-breaker? Plus, yeah, I'm not a baby cow.
Oh good. I was worried every clean eater was lining up to take my precious caffeine away. Actually, my sister probably qualifies as a clean eater in some books, including her own, and she loves her fancy Whole Foods chocolates and ice cream!0 -
It's not false, I'm saying I've never seen one - I've yet in my life to meet (online or in real life) an elitest clean eater
This cannot be true. You are on the MFP boards. You can't possibly not have come across that.
I personally have been on the receiving end of the jabs and actually name calling from a clean eater...
Why because I eat fruit loops...yup...fruit loops...
Then there is the rampant distain shown for those of us with AMG Chocolate in our diary...or prepackaged dinners etc.
I was once food-diary-shamed for having 13g of hershey's syrup in my protein drinks by a clean-eating disciple...that I was damaging my health (among other claims where he was completely oblivious to the concept of context and dose). That's just the most recent example of many.
And yet, I keep my food diary open...while it seems that so many of the loudest clean-eating zealots keep theirs locked up. Interesting, no?
Most of us who have been around for a bit have had certain experiences. I got a very nasty PM from a woman after I confessed that never in my more than 60 years have a eaten a store bought pizza, or one from any kind of restaurant. The woman did not know me, but implied that by eating pizza I could get a sex life among other things. I thought about it and a couple of weeks later bought a slice at a Sam's club.......well, I still don't like pizza and I still have no sex life....lol.
I also keep my diary open and have been put down; " Baby, your IF whole foods diet is **** ". I have never said that I eat whole foods only ( I usually call it a natural food based diet ) and have never told anyone what they ate was wrong unless I was specifically asked ( as in " Look at my diary and tell me how to get more protein " ) and would never foist the same diet I eat on anyone. I also don't want to be told that what I need is a decent cheat meal with a hamburger and a lot of bacon.
People usually eat a diet that was formed by the culture they live(d) in and by personal food experiences and the preferences that developed from those and that means that we are not all the same.
I agree with you some of the loudest clean-eating people keep their diary closed....but you know what ? So do some of the most loud mouthed dirty eaters.....some people on either side of the spectrum just like to stir the pot.
I disagree that it is not decidedly lopsided from the several times I've checked so many of the threads where it was easy to determine which side of the argument someone was on. I suppose it could be selection bias (despite checking each poster) or I just had bad/nonrepresentative samples each time, but I'm convinced it's a solid conclusion.
The choice to keep their diary closed remains solely with the member. There are a multitude of reasons why a member would keep their diary closed and in some cases it would be best if they did for the sake of their own progress. If they are asking for help with their food choices or asking why they aren't losing, perhaps opening the diary briefly would help others in their replies BUT in many cases it just opens that person up to unnecessary criticism. I personally don't need the negativity others would bring over any entry in my diary and I really don't feel it is anyone's business what I eat since I'm not asking for help with my food choices and I have lost the weight I wanted to plus some. I also do not feel it is proper for other to shame or pressure those who choose to keep their food diaries private. You do you, I will do me!
I closed my food diary down to Friends Only. Frankly they're the only people I really care for opinions from on these matters. I had it fully open and got repeatedly blasted because my calorie intake was "too low" lol. Translated that just means I'm actually losing weight and made the haters feel bad for their poor choices.
Oh good. Now, we have haters . . .0 -
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I just want to know why caffeine isn't clean. I pour hot water over ground up bits of vegetation. I drink it. What is the problem!
*Clutches coffee mug close and glares at clean eaters*
You just have to find the right "clean eater" to ask. Similarly, I could have bought some ice cream this morning at the green market, made from the milk of grass fed cows on a nearby small family farm. Clean? Or is the sugar a deal-breaker? Plus, yeah, I'm not a baby cow.
Oh good. I was worried every clean eater was lining up to take my precious caffeine away. Actually, my sister probably qualifies as a clean eater in some books, including her own, and she loves her fancy Whole Foods chocolates and ice cream!
According to many definitions, I am (and have been for many years) a "clean" eater...
...and I approve of coffee.0 -
*looks at the 12 pages*
Well, now that we've got this covered. What is training dirty? Does it mean you lift barbells after you soil yourself?0 -
It's not false, I'm saying I've never seen one - I've yet in my life to meet (online or in real life) an elitest clean eater
This cannot be true. You are on the MFP boards. You can't possibly not have come across that.
I personally have been on the receiving end of the jabs and actually name calling from a clean eater...
Why because I eat fruit loops...yup...fruit loops...
Then there is the rampant distain shown for those of us with AMG Chocolate in our diary...or prepackaged dinners etc.
I was once food-diary-shamed for having 13g of hershey's syrup in my protein drinks by a clean-eating disciple...that I was damaging my health (among other claims where he was completely oblivious to the concept of context and dose). That's just the most recent example of many.
And yet, I keep my food diary open...while it seems that so many of the loudest clean-eating zealots keep theirs locked up. Interesting, no?
Most of us who have been around for a bit have had certain experiences. I got a very nasty PM from a woman after I confessed that never in my more than 60 years have a eaten a store bought pizza, or one from any kind of restaurant. The woman did not know me, but implied that by eating pizza I could get a sex life among other things. I thought about it and a couple of weeks later bought a slice at a Sam's club.......well, I still don't like pizza and I still have no sex life....lol.
I also keep my diary open and have been put down; " Baby, your IF whole foods diet is **** ". I have never said that I eat whole foods only ( I usually call it a natural food based diet ) and have never told anyone what they ate was wrong unless I was specifically asked ( as in " Look at my diary and tell me how to get more protein " ) and would never foist the same diet I eat on anyone. I also don't want to be told that what I need is a decent cheat meal with a hamburger and a lot of bacon.
People usually eat a diet that was formed by the culture they live(d) in and by personal food experiences and the preferences that developed from those and that means that we are not all the same.
I agree with you some of the loudest clean-eating people keep their diary closed....but you know what ? So do some of the most loud mouthed dirty eaters.....some people on either side of the spectrum just like to stir the pot.
I disagree that it is not decidedly lopsided from the several times I've checked so many of the threads where it was easy to determine which side of the argument someone was on. I suppose it could be selection bias (despite checking each poster) or I just had bad/nonrepresentative samples each time, but I'm convinced it's a solid conclusion.
The choice to keep their diary closed remains solely with the member. There are a multitude of reasons why a member would keep their diary closed and in some cases it would be best if they did for the sake of their own progress. If they are asking for help with their food choices or asking why they aren't losing, perhaps opening the diary briefly would help others in their replies BUT in many cases it just opens that person up to unnecessary criticism. I personally don't need the negativity others would bring over any entry in my diary and I really don't feel it is anyone's business what I eat since I'm not asking for help with my food choices and I have lost the weight I wanted to plus some. I also do not feel it is proper for other to shame or pressure those who choose to keep their food diaries private. You do you, I will do me!
I closed my food diary down to Friends Only. Frankly they're the only people I really care for opinions from on these matters. I had it fully open and got repeatedly blasted because my calorie intake was "too low" lol. Translated that just means I'm actually losing weight and made the haters feel bad for their poor choices.
Oh good. Now, we have haters . . .
Oh they've been around for a while. One of my personal favorites was like my second week on here. This chick claimed she just had to make 9PM runs for a giant Frosty, because if not her lifts and running would totally suffer the next day. I was reported for pointing out that I wouldn't do the same because it seemed like a pretty dumba** idea to me, and I lift just fine without drinking giant glasses of pure sugar.
I don't see that girl around much these days. I suspect we will see her again though, one day when she realizes you can never outrun or outlift your fork, and those 9PM Frosty runs come back to bite her in the rear end.0 -
Seriously can't believe this is still going on.
and on
and on
and on.
Who flipping CARES what people define their diet as?0 -
It's not false, I'm saying I've never seen one - I've yet in my life to meet (online or in real life) an elitest clean eater
This cannot be true. You are on the MFP boards. You can't possibly not have come across that.
I personally have been on the receiving end of the jabs and actually name calling from a clean eater...
Why because I eat fruit loops...yup...fruit loops...
Then there is the rampant distain shown for those of us with AMG Chocolate in our diary...or prepackaged dinners etc.
I was once food-diary-shamed for having 13g of hershey's syrup in my protein drinks by a clean-eating disciple...that I was damaging my health (among other claims where he was completely oblivious to the concept of context and dose). That's just the most recent example of many.
And yet, I keep my food diary open...while it seems that so many of the loudest clean-eating zealots keep theirs locked up. Interesting, no?
Most of us who have been around for a bit have had certain experiences. I got a very nasty PM from a woman after I confessed that never in my more than 60 years have a eaten a store bought pizza, or one from any kind of restaurant. The woman did not know me, but implied that by eating pizza I could get a sex life among other things. I thought about it and a couple of weeks later bought a slice at a Sam's club.......well, I still don't like pizza and I still have no sex life....lol.
I also keep my diary open and have been put down; " Baby, your IF whole foods diet is **** ". I have never said that I eat whole foods only ( I usually call it a natural food based diet ) and have never told anyone what they ate was wrong unless I was specifically asked ( as in " Look at my diary and tell me how to get more protein " ) and would never foist the same diet I eat on anyone. I also don't want to be told that what I need is a decent cheat meal with a hamburger and a lot of bacon.
People usually eat a diet that was formed by the culture they live(d) in and by personal food experiences and the preferences that developed from those and that means that we are not all the same.
I agree with you some of the loudest clean-eating people keep their diary closed....but you know what ? So do some of the most loud mouthed dirty eaters.....some people on either side of the spectrum just like to stir the pot.
I disagree that it is not decidedly lopsided from the several times I've checked so many of the threads where it was easy to determine which side of the argument someone was on. I suppose it could be selection bias (despite checking each poster) or I just had bad/nonrepresentative samples each time, but I'm convinced it's a solid conclusion.
The choice to keep their diary closed remains solely with the member. There are a multitude of reasons why a member would keep their diary closed and in some cases it would be best if they did for the sake of their own progress. If they are asking for help with their food choices or asking why they aren't losing, perhaps opening the diary briefly would help others in their replies BUT in many cases it just opens that person up to unnecessary criticism. I personally don't need the negativity others would bring over any entry in my diary and I really don't feel it is anyone's business what I eat since I'm not asking for help with my food choices and I have lost the weight I wanted to plus some. I also do not feel it is proper for other to shame or pressure those who choose to keep their food diaries private. You do you, I will do me!
I closed my food diary down to Friends Only. Frankly they're the only people I really care for opinions from on these matters. I had it fully open and got repeatedly blasted because my calorie intake was "too low" lol. Translated that just means I'm actually losing weight and made the haters feel bad for their poor choices.
Oh good. Now, we have haters . . .
Oh they've been around for a while. One of my personal favorites was like my second week on here. This chick claimed she just had to make 9PM runs for a giant Frosty, because if not her lifts and running would totally suffer the next day. I was reported for pointing out that I wouldn't do the same because it seemed like a pretty dumba** idea to me, and I lift just fine without drinking giant glasses of pure sugar.
I don't see that girl around much these days. I suspect we will see her again though, one day when she realizes you can never outrun or outlift your fork, and those 9PM Frosty runs come back to bite her in the rear end.
That would be awesome, emirite???!!!! :explode:
I guess my Wendy's Frostys are going kill ma gainz too, huh? :indifferent:0 -
Seriously can't believe this is still going on.
and on
and on
and on.
Who flipping CARES what people define their diet as?
My first guess would be everyone that posted in this thread and nearly everyone who lurked it.0 -
It's not false, I'm saying I've never seen one - I've yet in my life to meet (online or in real life) an elitest clean eater
This cannot be true. You are on the MFP boards. You can't possibly not have come across that.
I personally have been on the receiving end of the jabs and actually name calling from a clean eater...
Why because I eat fruit loops...yup...fruit loops...
Then there is the rampant distain shown for those of us with AMG Chocolate in our diary...or prepackaged dinners etc.
I was once food-diary-shamed for having 13g of hershey's syrup in my protein drinks by a clean-eating disciple...that I was damaging my health (among other claims where he was completely oblivious to the concept of context and dose). That's just the most recent example of many.
And yet, I keep my food diary open...while it seems that so many of the loudest clean-eating zealots keep theirs locked up. Interesting, no?
Most of us who have been around for a bit have had certain experiences. I got a very nasty PM from a woman after I confessed that never in my more than 60 years have a eaten a store bought pizza, or one from any kind of restaurant. The woman did not know me, but implied that by eating pizza I could get a sex life among other things. I thought about it and a couple of weeks later bought a slice at a Sam's club.......well, I still don't like pizza and I still have no sex life....lol.
I also keep my diary open and have been put down; " Baby, your IF whole foods diet is **** ". I have never said that I eat whole foods only ( I usually call it a natural food based diet ) and have never told anyone what they ate was wrong unless I was specifically asked ( as in " Look at my diary and tell me how to get more protein " ) and would never foist the same diet I eat on anyone. I also don't want to be told that what I need is a decent cheat meal with a hamburger and a lot of bacon.
People usually eat a diet that was formed by the culture they live(d) in and by personal food experiences and the preferences that developed from those and that means that we are not all the same.
I agree with you some of the loudest clean-eating people keep their diary closed....but you know what ? So do some of the most loud mouthed dirty eaters.....some people on either side of the spectrum just like to stir the pot.
I disagree that it is not decidedly lopsided from the several times I've checked so many of the threads where it was easy to determine which side of the argument someone was on. I suppose it could be selection bias (despite checking each poster) or I just had bad/nonrepresentative samples each time, but I'm convinced it's a solid conclusion.
The choice to keep their diary closed remains solely with the member. There are a multitude of reasons why a member would keep their diary closed and in some cases it would be best if they did for the sake of their own progress. If they are asking for help with their food choices or asking why they aren't losing, perhaps opening the diary briefly would help others in their replies BUT in many cases it just opens that person up to unnecessary criticism. I personally don't need the negativity others would bring over any entry in my diary and I really don't feel it is anyone's business what I eat since I'm not asking for help with my food choices and I have lost the weight I wanted to plus some. I also do not feel it is proper for other to shame or pressure those who choose to keep their food diaries private. You do you, I will do me!
I closed my food diary down to Friends Only. Frankly they're the only people I really care for opinions from on these matters. I had it fully open and got repeatedly blasted because my calorie intake was "too low" lol. Translated that just means I'm actually losing weight and made the haters feel bad for their poor choices.
Oh good. Now, we have haters . . .
Oh they've been around for a while. One of my personal favorites was like my second week on here. This chick claimed she just had to make 9PM runs for a giant Frosty, because if not her lifts and running would totally suffer the next day. I was reported for pointing out that I wouldn't do the same because it seemed like a pretty dumba** idea to me, and I lift just fine without drinking giant glasses of pure sugar.
I don't see that girl around much these days. I suspect we will see her again though, one day when she realizes you can never outrun or outlift your fork, and those 9PM Frosty runs come back to bite her in the rear end.
That would be awesome, emirite???!!!! :explode:
I guess my Wendy's Frostys are going kill ma gainz too, huh? :indifferent:
I don't know. Since you're one of the ones going all bro-tastic, you tell me.0 -
That would be awesome, emirite???!!!! :explode:
I guess my Wendy's Frostys are going kill ma gainz too, huh? :indifferent:
I'm just glad that I finished my two-month pre-summer cut a couple of weeks ago so I can resume a decent sized bowl of my nightly ice cream...(Breyer's coffee, because I eat only "clean" ice cream and not that dirty Wendy's Frosty so-called ice cream). (...and even during my cut, I managed to squeeze in some tiny portions of it.)
Well, I mean, assuming I'm actually eating it and not just logging it to argue in the MFP forums like so many of us open-diary people do.0 -
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Seriously can't believe this is still going on.
and on
and on
and on.
Who flipping CARES what people define their diet as?
My first guess would be everyone that posted in this thread and nearly everyone who lurked it.
Not everyone, I don't care what other people call their diet
I just love the fact so many others do and are willing to argue about it with people who don't. Internet forums feed my need!0 -
Seriously can't believe this is still going on.
and on
and on
and on.
Who flipping CARES what people define their diet as?
My first guess would be everyone that posted in this thread and nearly everyone who lurked it.
Makes you want to jump into any thread that's gone >10 pages and ask "who flipping cares?!?", right?
No?
Yeah, me neither...
...but then I never assumed to know what every other person here should or shouldn't care enough about to make a few posts to discuss.
*shrug*
Guess we're doing it wrong...
...and by "it", I mean "foruming".
(Interesting parallel to the topic at hand if you think about it.)0
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