Is bread bad?

lizziebeth1028

You should not deprive yourself of something you love! Learn to eat it in moderation. I have bread AND pasta everyday!

tennisdude2004

Bread - okay in moderation.

jrose1982

Here are some reasons why GRAINS are considered bad news (and bread is made from grains):
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/why-grains-are-unhealthy/

But whether or not to eat in moderation or avoid completely depends on you. I find bread to be one of those foods that I can just eat and eat and eat. So I avoid it completely. If you are able to moderate well, then moderate.

Consider also that, while it's not exactly empty calories, it is high in calories and won't keep you full for long. So if you're having trouble meeting your calorie deficit because you're hungry, reducing your bread is the first thing I'd suggest you do.

Since I cut it out, I've discovered that if I do have a piece of bread it makes me bloated and a little nauseous, indicating that I might have a gluten intolerance. That's a worthy experiment to do on yourself. Quit eating grains (especially wheat) for a couple months, then start up again in small amounts and see how it makes you feel.

I love bread, so I'll probably eat it again when I reach maintenance. But I'll treat it like ice cream - an occasional treat, not a staple.

Exerpt from the blog post used as evidence as to why grains are bad news.

"We do not need grains to survive, let alone thrive. In fact, they are naturally selected to ward off pests, whether they be insects or hominids. I suggest we take the hint and stop eating them."

This statement was even in bold as if it is some holy grail argument against grains. We don't need any single food stuff in order to survive, let alone thrive. Broccoli is awesome for nutrient density but given the above reasoning, we don't need it to survive or thrive, therefore we should avoid it. All commercial vegetative foods have been naturally selected to ward off pests. Should we avoid all fruits and vegetables? Of course not.

OP, do not use that blog post when you're coming to your final conclusion. Rely on scientific studies or people that can point you to them and not the opinion a blog that has an obvious preconceived bias against grains.

Did you actually read it, or only skim it? That statement is his conclusion, not his argument, and he never even attempts to call it evidence or fact.
The whole post is in response to arguments from others about why we "need" grains.

Anyway, the evidence I was referring to is under the heading "Toxic Anti-Nutrients? Do tell." (Also in bold, didn't you see that one?)
And within this section I count about 6 links to studies and scientific journals that back up his statements.

There's nothing wrong with using an opinionated blog post if he provides links to his sources (and this one does). In which case, it becomes one "that can point you to" scientific studies, which you can then read and decide for yourself if you agree with the blogger's interpretations and conclusions.

That article also contains links to some of his other articles on similar subjects that contain links to more studies and journals that backup the statements in those articles. A diligent reader can chase all the evidence that he presents in every post back to his source.

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paperpudding

. I personally don't keep bread in my home because I live alone and it usually spoils/goes stale before I finish a loaf. But I regularly get a sandwich or a wrap for lunch.

We don't keep fresh bread for same reason.

But it freezes well, we keep a loaf in the freezer and use for toast, toasted sandwiches.
We usually have a sandwich while it is fresh and then freeze the rest.

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kikityme

Bread is bad for me. I love bread. But we had an abusive relationship for a long time.

Is bread bad for YOU? Dunno.

Acg67

Here are some reasons why GRAINS are considered bad news (and bread is made from grains):
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/why-grains-are-unhealthy/

But whether or not to eat in moderation or avoid completely depends on you. I find bread to be one of those foods that I can just eat and eat and eat. So I avoid it completely. If you are able to moderate well, then moderate.

Consider also that, while it's not exactly empty calories, it is high in calories and won't keep you full for long. So if you're having trouble meeting your calorie deficit because you're hungry, reducing your bread is the first thing I'd suggest you do.

Since I cut it out, I've discovered that if I do have a piece of bread it makes me bloated and a little nauseous, indicating that I might have a gluten intolerance. That's a worthy experiment to do on yourself. Quit eating grains (especially wheat) for a couple months, then start up again in small amounts and see how it makes you feel.

I love bread, so I'll probably eat it again when I reach maintenance. But I'll treat it like ice cream - an occasional treat, not a staple.

Exerpt from the blog post used as evidence as to why grains are bad news.

"We do not need grains to survive, let alone thrive. In fact, they are naturally selected to ward off pests, whether they be insects or hominids. I suggest we take the hint and stop eating them."

This statement was even in bold as if it is some holy grail argument against grains. We don't need any single food stuff in order to survive, let alone thrive. Broccoli is awesome for nutrient density but given the above reasoning, we don't need it to survive or thrive, therefore we should avoid it. All commercial vegetative foods have been naturally selected to ward off pests. Should we avoid all fruits and vegetables? Of course not.

OP, do not use that blog post when you're coming to your final conclusion. Rely on scientific studies or people that can point you to them and not the opinion a blog that has an obvious preconceived bias against grains.

Did you actually read it, or only skim it? That statement is his conclusion, not his argument, and he never even attempts to call it evidence or fact.
The whole post is in response to arguments from others about why we "need" grains.

Anyway, the evidence I was referring to is under the heading "Toxic Anti-Nutrients? Do tell." (Also in bold, didn't you see that one?)
And within this section I count about 6 links to studies and scientific journals that back up his statements.

There's nothing wrong with using an opinionated blog post if he provides links to his sources (and this one does). In which case, it becomes one "that can point you to" scientific studies, which you can then read and decide for yourself if you agree with the blogger's interpretations and conclusions.

That article also contains links to some of his other articles on similar subjects that contain links to more studies and journals that backup the statements in those articles. A diligent reader can chase all the evidence that he presents in every post back to his source.

Ah Sisson, 6 studies back up his statements? LOL. Let's see the first one is an in vitro study on rodent fat cells? Hessan fly larvae, seems relavant to humans, "they seemingly cause leptin resistanc" and links to a study that references epidemiological data and a study on pigs? LOL

Weird when talking about phytates he ignored research that suggests it could be cancer protective

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17044765

Slacker16

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JMHO, of course.

jrose1982

Bread is bad for me. I love bread. But we had an abusive relationship for a long time.

Is bread bad for YOU? Dunno.

Good answer.

Skrib69

Eat it as part of a balanced diet. Log it. Enjoy it. Like most things, in excess it is bad for you; in moderation it is fine. Try to avoid overthinking it!

ninerbuff

It is not the bread that is "Bad" It is the type of bread. White bread is overly refined and processed and the carbohydrates turn to sugar, which turns to fat...that is the short and scary truth on white bread; however, eating whole grain breads would be a better choice and if you cant avoid the freshly baked Italian white bread..keep it in moderation.

ALL carbs turn to sugar. OVERCONSUMPTION of calories results in fat, not eating white bread.

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gemmamummy

I have two slices of bread for lunch nearly everyday, I have them topped with mackerel fillets, good source of protein and good fats.....I couldn't imagine eating me tinned mackerel with rice or potatoes, yuk.

amusedmonkey

Bread is not really empty calories (sugar mostly is, but even that we can have in moderation)

Take for example the bread I usually eat



5 fiber per serving is more than some fiber cereals could claim and 11% iron is nothing to laugh at. Just take a look at nutrition facts and judge for yourself if it looks empty.



However, bread usually contains a lot of carbs so you have to watch out or carbs may overtake your macros. Same goes if you have diabetes.

cbeevs

For some, bread is bad. Some people cannot just stop at one piece. the carbohydrates and possibly other chemical added to store bought bread make us want more. I am personally better off without bread or sugar. Been doing better without it and It is worth it to me. But others are able to eat a reasonable amount which is not destroying theirdiet, so for them those things are fine.

HarpingOn

For some, bread is bad. Some people cannot just stop at one piece. the carbohydrates and possibly other chemical added to store bought bread make us want more. I am personally better off without bread or sugar. Been doing better without it and It is worth it to me. But others are able to eat a reasonable amount which is not destroying theirdiet, so for them those things are fine.

I love bread.

My absolute killer is fruit breads. Malt loaf, or hot cross buns, hot cross loaf, irwins fruit bread, Selkirk Bannocks, that kind of thing.

I try, but I just can't avoid eating /the whole/ loaf. Oh, and pannetone. Gnnargh. It's making me need some by just thinking about it.

I just had a toasted ciabatta roll for breakfast, with some light spread. And it's a darned good job we only had one ciabatta roll left in the house, lol

tennisdude2004

Here are some reasons why GRAINS are considered bad news (and bread is made from grains):
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/why-grains-are-unhealthy/

But whether or not to eat in moderation or avoid completely depends on you. I find bread to be one of those foods that I can just eat and eat and eat. So I avoid it completely. If you are able to moderate well, then moderate.

Consider also that, while it's not exactly empty calories, it is high in calories and won't keep you full for long. So if you're having trouble meeting your calorie deficit because you're hungry, reducing your bread is the first thing I'd suggest you do.

Since I cut it out, I've discovered that if I do have a piece of bread it makes me bloated and a little nauseous, indicating that I might have a gluten intolerance. That's a worthy experiment to do on yourself. Quit eating grains (especially wheat) for a couple months, then start up again in small amounts and see how it makes you feel.

I love bread, so I'll probably eat it again when I reach maintenance. But I'll treat it like ice cream - an occasional treat, not a staple.

Exerpt from the blog post used as evidence as to why grains are bad news.

"We do not need grains to survive, let alone thrive. In fact, they are naturally selected to ward off pests, whether they be insects or hominids. I suggest we take the hint and stop eating them."

This statement was even in bold as if it is some holy grail argument against grains. We don't need any single food stuff in order to survive, let alone thrive. Broccoli is awesome for nutrient density but given the above reasoning, we don't need it to survive or thrive, therefore we should avoid it. All commercial vegetative foods have been naturally selected to ward off pests. Should we avoid all fruits and vegetables? Of course not.

OP, do not use that blog post when you're coming to your final conclusion. Rely on scientific studies or people that can point you to them and not the opinion a blog that has an obvious preconceived bias against grains.

Did you actually read it, or only skim it? That statement is his conclusion, not his argument, and he never even attempts to call it evidence or fact.
The whole post is in response to arguments from others about why we "need" grains.

Anyway, the evidence I was referring to is under the heading "Toxic Anti-Nutrients? Do tell." (Also in bold, didn't you see that one?)
And within this section I count about 6 links to studies and scientific journals that back up his statements.

There's nothing wrong with using an opinionated blog post if he provides links to his sources (and this one does). In which case, it becomes one "that can point you to" scientific studies, which you can then read and decide for yourself if you agree with the blogger's interpretations and conclusions.

That article also contains links to some of his other articles on similar subjects that contain links to more studies and journals that backup the statements in those articles. A diligent reader can chase all the evidence that he presents in every post back to his source.

Ah Sisson, 6 studies back up his statements? LOL. Let's see the first one is an in vitro study on rodent fat cells? Hessan fly larvae, seems relavant to humans, "they seemingly cause leptin resistanc" and links to a study that references epidemiological data and a study on pigs? LOL

Weird when talking about phytates he ignored research that suggests it could be cancer protective

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17044765

Nope Mark does talk about phytates and there possible anti cancer abilities in one of his blogs from 2012 (extract below) - he even links to the study you have posted above.

Besides, you wouldn’t want to completely eliminate phytate from your diet, even if it were possible. There are a number of possible beneficial health effects of a moderate amount of phytic acid which I’d be remiss if I didn’t mention, like:
•Phytic acid can inhibit calcium crystallzation and reduce kidney stone development.
•If you have hemachromatosis – a tendency to absorb too much iron – you actually want to reduce your iron absorption, and dietary phytic acid can (famously) do just that. It’s also one of the only iron chelators that does not induce lipid peroxidation or the formation of reactive oxygen species (PDF). If you’re trying to absorb more iron – maybe you’re pregnant or anemic – taking some vitamin C with the phytic acid will inhibit its iron-binding ability (PDF).
•Phytate may also be an effective anti-cancer agent with the curious tendency to ignore the healthy cells and focus only on the cancerous ones.

So to answer your final question, yes, I’d say you can definitely eat and enjoy nuts in moderation, an ounce or two (especially soaked) as long as you’re eating an otherwise nutrient-dense diet.


Read more: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/nuts-and-phytic-acid/#ixzz31gVI5Rpp

tennisdude2004

Bread is not really empty calories (sugar mostly is, but even that we can have in moderation)

Take for example the bread I usually eat



5 fiber per serving is more than some fiber cereals could claim and 11% iron is nothing to laugh at. Just take a look at nutrition facts and judge for yourself if it looks empty.



However, bread usually contains a lot of carbs so you have to watch out or carbs may overtake your macros. Same goes if you have diabetes.

There are minerals and vits in bread but the phytic acid will bind them and they will not be absorbed by the body to anywhere near the levels that are beneficial.

As I said in a post above if you do not have any wheat allergies then bread is not bad, but that's not to say its that good.

At best it's a carb filler IMO.

If you like bread then eat it - log it and enjoy it.

ChaplainHeavin

There is nothing better on a hot summer day than a home grown tomato and cheese sandwich

tennisdude2004

There is nothing better on a hot summer day than a home grown tomato and cheese sandwich

Each to there own! Now stick a few slices of quality ham in there and we may have an agreement. Lol

kbmnurse

Love it.

Acg67

There is nothing better on a hot summer day than a home grown tomato and cheese sandwich

Pretty sure a cold beer is much better

tennisdude2004

There is nothing better on a hot summer day than a home grown tomato and cheese sandwich

Pretty sure a cold beer is much better

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links_slayer

yes, but only if you're lolpaleo

fitness_faeiry

I do not believe there is a single human who actually dislikes bread. It can come in so many forms and can be partnered with so many joyous foods like a match made in heaven. I pity people who cannot eat it due to ignorance or intolerance.

That means Bread is not bad - Bread is GOOD!

surfinbird_1981

I love bread.

LifeWithPie

The only thing I got trom this post is that OP doesn't know how to do pizza right.

I laughed out loud at this one. :laugh:

seltzermint555

. I personally don't keep bread in my home because I live alone and it usually spoils/goes stale before I finish a loaf. But I regularly get a sandwich or a wrap for lunch.

We don't keep fresh bread for same reason.

But it freezes well, we keep a loaf in the freezer and use for toast, toasted sandwiches.
We usually have a sandwich while it is fresh and then freeze the rest.

For some reason I have an aversion to freezing bread, even though it works well. I just can't get it out of my head that it has been frozen and I keep trying to discern a freezer-burnt taste...ridiculous I know.

We buy bread maybe once a month. We use the loaf pretty quickly, even though it's just the two of us. We'll generally do toast, open-faced tuna sandwiches, and then Sunday morning French toast with fruit. The rest of the time we have "Sandwich Skinnies" on hand, they tend to last a long while.

J72FIT

No food is good or bad, it's just food...

J72FIT

There are minerals and vits in bread but the phytic acid will bind them and they will not be absorbed by the body to anywhere near the levels that are beneficial.

Which is why it is important to have a varied diet. Unless you have a medical condition, there is no reason to avoid bread.