IIFYM vs Carb Cycling
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You also refer to yourself as a "dietary expert". I'd say about as much as an expert as Dr. Oz.
Not dietary expert, dieting expert. I've fasted for a week, gone without salt, seasonings, and sugar for 6 months, I'm a competitive eater so I can take down 5+ lbs of beef in a setting or 5,000+ calories of whole plant foods in a day. I can do any diet for any length of time. Right now I'm on an experiment where I'm gorging on 6 lbs of raw beef in 12 - 16 hours then fasting for 48 - 72 hours.
dieting expert??
Serious??
Doing the above makes u a dieting expert.....
Well then I am one also.....
Hell all of us on here is a dieting expert0 -
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In for the entertainment.
plenty of it here for you darling
LOL 3 books on Amazon and he doesn't have his facts right. I feel sorry for whoever purchased them. And 5 scoops of whey protein?! Who would do that? Most flexible dieters would rather have chicken, steak, shrimp of fish over protein powder.. It's all about balance.
That's like saying I could fill up my carbs with candy, fats with spoonfuls of mayo/butter and just have protein powder to hit all my macros.
Yeah, kinda what we have been saying....but he doesn't want to believe us.
Apparently IIFYM is the spawn of the Dark Lord himself.
A lot of people are skeptical of IIFYM but they're willing to "eat clean", cut out unneccesary foods (sugar/carbs/fats) but aren't willing to experiment/give IIFYM a try. It's all about experimenting.0 -
I fast daily from like 8pm (if not earlier) til 1pm the next day....
That is currently what I do.
But what does depriving myself of things prove???0 -
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A lot of people are skeptical of IIFYM but they're willing to "eat clean", cut out unneccesary foods (sugar/carbs/fats) but aren't willing to experiment/give IIFYM a try. It's all about experimenting.
Define clean0 -
Damn man... It's the IIFYM nest in here now. It's like I just informed a vegan that there's no essential nutrients in plant based foods you can't get in meat...
No it is the fact u come in here and post stupid crap0 -
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What I'm trying to state is that IIFYM isn't anything special when it comes to weight loss and has a potentially to be implemented very poorly.I fail to see what you are arguing for/against. In one post you state that sugar increases your risk of becoming overweight and developing diabetes. Yet in your latest post, you link an article stating that the make-up of diet didn't matter to weight loss, but that caloric deficit was the key - even in diabetic individuals! What are you trying to state?
Never tried to say that, just that refined sugar is an independent risk factor of diabetes and diabetes impacts weight.The fact is, not one study has proven that refined sugar by itself causes weight gain. Calories determine weight gain/loss. In healthy individuals following a strict caloric or macro intake such as IIFYM, where is the evidence that refined sugar alone will lead to weight gain.Causation vs correlation my friend...
And science has proven that sugar consumption is causal.
Seriously thinking you are a troll and kicking myself in the *kitten* for responding...
No one has stated that IIFYM is anything special. NO ONE. Your lack of understanding and referring to IIFYM as a diet is proof you are uninformed, or at best, severly misinformed.
And science HAS NOT proven that sugar consumption is causal to diabetes.
Now please, go troll somewhere else...0 -
I know IIFYM has gained a lot of popularity lately, but most the people I know using it are gym rats that want to be lazy dieters.
And I am not a "lazy dieter". 90% of the foods I eat daily are "clean" and then I treat myself with junk for the other 10%. I lift heavy weights and I am at the gym everyday, because I enjoy it. There is nothing lazy about that.
Amen to that.0 -
You can use a site like iifym.com
plug in your numbers on their caluclator
My rule of thumb
0.4 gr of fat / pound of body weight
0.8 - 1.0 gr of protein / pound of body weight, I round off to at least 1.0 gr, just easier for me
and carbs can make up the remainder of your calories for what u need.....they are non-essential, so they can be used as a way to lower or raise your daily calories.
Thank you!! I went to iifym.com and used the calculator! Awesome, thanks!0 -
I fast daily from like 8pm (if not earlier) til 1pm the next day....
That is currently what I do.
But what does depriving myself of things prove???
Control over diet.
I fast for 2 out of 3 days right now. Try that eating pattern and see how you do. I mean I personally love it and seriously would recommend you do try it, but it's not easy. Gorging enough after two days of fasting to compensate for the next two days is rough.
Bravo for you.....
But doing that doesn't benefit me with my goals.....
So you have control over you diet....big WHOOP!!!!
So do I....
Do you think I am lean because I lack control over my diet?0 -
You can use a site like iifym.com
plug in your numbers on their caluclator
My rule of thumb
0.4 gr of fat / pound of body weight
0.8 - 1.0 gr of protein / pound of body weight, I round off to at least 1.0 gr, just easier for me
and carbs can make up the remainder of your calories for what u need.....they are non-essential, so they can be used as a way to lower or raise your daily calories.
Thank you!! I went to iifym.com and used the calculator! Awesome, thanks!
Welcome
If you have other questions, pm me and I will answer them if I can0 -
I fast daily from like 8pm (if not earlier) til 1pm the next day....
That is currently what I do.
But what does depriving myself of things prove???
Control over diet.
I fast for 2 out of 3 days right now. Try that eating pattern and see how you do. I mean I personally love it and seriously would recommend you do try it, but it's not easy. Gorging enough after two days of fasting to compensate for the next two days is rough.
That's just ignorant. Control over your diet? How so?
I follow IIFYM and have perfect control over my diet. I don't binge, I don't feel deprived, my health markers are great.0 -
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I fail to see what you are arguing for/against.
What I'm trying to state is that IIFYM isn't anything special when it comes to weight loss and has a potentially to be implemented very poorly.
No one has stated that IIFYM is anything special. NO ONE.
Dude, you asked what I was trying to say and I told you. The OP is asking about comparing IIFYM to carb cycling and my very first post was that neither are any special to weight loss. That was the entire freakin point.
Then why demonize IIFYM??0 -
All I got out of this is because I eat "refined" sugars, I'm a diabetic.
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All I got out of this is because I eat "refined" sugars, I'm a diabetic.
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That's just ignorant. Control over your diet? How so?
I follow IIFYM and have perfect control over my diet. I don't binge, I don't feel deprived, my health markers are great.
How is being able to go without something in your diet not a display of control. While the things we deem worthy to cut out are mostly subjective it's the premise of all diets - cut out the bad bring in the good. The less you can cut out of a diet and be happy the less skilled dieter you are - in my humble opinion. So a person who can't cut out soda - completely unskilled. A person who can cut out all but fast food once a week - moderately skilled. Etc.
Going without salt, seasonings, and sugar is a testament of one's ability to eat without consideration for taste. Try it out for a few days it's interesting...
Oh I have, back when I was a "bro". Eating plain foods doesn't make you awesome, or superior to anyone else.
No thanks. I'll keep my flavor, foods I enjoy, and continue to be happy, lean, and strong while you eat cardboard flavored chicken.0 -
Then why demonize IIFYM??
I'm not trying to demonize it. I'm just saying for the general population it has a high risk to be poorly implemented. And again many other diets fall prey to this like vegan diets. Just because you don't eat meat doesn't mean you're eating any healthier, etc.
Yes you are.
You have spent the last 3 pages telling us how evil it is and people are gonna get diabetes0 -
That's just ignorant. Control over your diet? How so?
I follow IIFYM and have perfect control over my diet. I don't binge, I don't feel deprived, my health markers are great.
How is being able to go without something in your diet not a display of control. While the things we deem worthy to cut out are mostly subjective it's the premise of all diets - cut out the bad bring in the good. The less you can cut out of a diet and be happy the less skilled dieter you are - in my humble opinion. So a person who can't cut out soda - completely unskilled. A person who can cut out all but fast food once a week - moderately skilled. Etc.
Going without salt, seasonings, and sugar is a testament of one's ability to eat without consideration for taste. Try it out for a few days it's interesting...
Oh I have, back when I was a "bro". Eating plain foods doesn't make you awesome, or superior to anyone else.
No thanks. I'll keep my flavor, foods I enjoy, and continue to be happy, lean, and strong while you eat cardboard flavored chicken.
Yep,
I used to do the same stupid crap.....
Glad I stopped that chit0 -
2500 calories
200 gr of protein
80 gr of fat
25 - 35 gr of fiber
Remaining calories can be in carbs.
Curious to see what you come up with.
4 Taco Bell Supreme Beef Burritos, 5 scoops of whey protein, and a glass of OJ would get you:
2557 calories
248 gr of carbs
200 gr of protein
85 gr of fat
32 gr of fiber
FYI man
You shot any argument you had in the head when you posted this^^^^0 -
That's just ignorant. Control over your diet? How so?
I follow IIFYM and have perfect control over my diet. I don't binge, I don't feel deprived, my health markers are great.
How is being able to go without something in your diet not a display of control. While the things we deem worthy to cut out are mostly subjective it's the premise of all diets - cut out the bad bring in the good. The less you can cut out of a diet and be happy the less skilled dieter you are - in my humble opinion. So a person who can't cut out soda - completely unskilled. A person who can cut out all but fast food once a week - moderately skilled. Etc.
Going without salt, seasonings, and sugar is a testament of one's ability to eat without consideration for taste. Try it out for a few days it's interesting...
Work smarter, not harder. You claim to be a competitive eater; of course you view this in terms of a skillset. Why you think that puts you in a good frame of mind to help the majority of people trying to lose weight is another issue.
The point is that if IIFYM helps someone not feel deprived, it's easier to sustain. If it's easier to sustain, then there's a benefit. But since you seem to be working under a view of IIFYM that's different from other people's, it doesn't seem like there's much to talk about.
Caloric restriction is the only commonality to all diets that promote weight loss.0 -
I fail to see what you are arguing for/against.
What I'm trying to state is that IIFYM isn't anything special when it comes to weight loss and has a potentially to be implemented very poorly.
No one has stated that IIFYM is anything special. NO ONE.
Dude, you asked what I was trying to say and I told you. The OP is asking about comparing IIFYM to carb cycling and my very first post was that neither are any special to weight loss. That was the entire freakin point.
No, this was your very first post.
I've never seen any scientific literature to establish either IIFYM or carb cycling as a means of effective weight loss. I know IIFYM has gained a lot of popularity lately, but most the people I know using it are gym rats that want to be lazy dieters. Several diets essentially use carb cycling approaches like the Anabolic Diet and 5/2, but there are many other facets to these diets than just periods of carbohydrate restriction.
You stated to never have seen scientific literature that establishes IIFYM as a means of "effective" weight loss. You further state that most people that YOU know using it are gym rats that want to be "lazy dieters".
Your point wasn't to say that IIFYM isn't anything special. Your point was to demonize IIFYM and only use YOUR frame of reference to do so.
Again, IIFYM isn't a "diet". Its a balanced approach to eating foods in moderation that fit one's goals by not classifying them as "clean" or "dirty". If you haven't read scientific papers on the importance of food moderation, that's your problem, not ours...0 -
I fail to see what you are arguing for/against.
What I'm trying to state is that IIFYM isn't anything special when it comes to weight loss and has a potentially to be implemented very poorly.
No one has stated that IIFYM is anything special. NO ONE.
Dude, you asked what I was trying to say and I told you. The OP is asking about comparing IIFYM to carb cycling and my very first post was that neither are any special to weight loss. That was the entire freakin point.
No, this was your very first post.
I've never seen any scientific literature to establish either IIFYM or carb cycling as a means of effective weight loss. I know IIFYM has gained a lot of popularity lately, but most the people I know using it are gym rats that want to be lazy dieters. Several diets essentially use carb cycling approaches like the Anabolic Diet and 5/2, but there are many other facets to these diets than just periods of carbohydrate restriction.
You stated to never have seen scientific literature that establishes IIFYM as a means of "effective" weight loss. You further state that most people that YOU know using it are gym rats that want to be "lazy dieters".
Your point wasn't to say that IIFYM isn't anything special. Your point was to demonize IIFYM and only use YOUR frame of reference to do so.
Again, IIFYM isn't a "diet". Its a balanced approach to eating foods in moderation that fit one's goals by not classifying them as "clean" or "dirty". If you haven't read scientific papers on the importance of food moderation, that's your problem, not ours...
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