IIFYM vs Carb Cycling
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If you implement IIFYM and you choose to include moderate amounts of refined sugar you're still increasing your risk to diabetes.
Note that I don't believe you've ever stated how that's supposed to happen.0 -
^^This a million times
Show me one scientific study with IIFYM having an advantage over cleaner eating.
Define clean eating0 -
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Yes you are.
You have spent the last 3 pages telling us how evil it is and people are gonna get diabetes
No I have said that IIFYM allows for what many people would consider excess added sugar consumption and that is linked to diabetes and diabetes is linked to excess weight. If you implement IIFYM and you choose to include moderate amounts of refined sugar you're still increasing your risk to diabetes. Hence my overall statement that it has a potentially to be implemented very poorly.
But apparently a lot of people in hear are refuting that even moderate sugar consumption has been strongly correlated with diabetes although it's one of the strongest correlations in nutrition we have.
Bull crap
You said:I've never seen any scientific literature to establish either IIFYM or carb cycling as a means of effective weight loss. I know IIFYM has gained a lot of popularity lately, but most the people I know using it are gym rats that want to be lazy dieters. Several diets essentially use carb cycling approaches like the Anabolic Diet and 5/2, but there are many other facets to these diets than just periods of carbohydrate restriction.
I gave you a chance to prove your point, by giving me a 2500 calorie diet that fit certain criteria....
And you are gonna tell me the diet you gave me, would cause a person to get diabetes??0 -
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Show me one scientific study with IIFYM having an advantage over cleaner eating.
What makes you think IIFYM isn't cleaner eating? You can do it either way. That's the point. The system itself doesn't promote one over the other, unless you assume that a lack of restriction A is a tacit promotion of B. But you'd be wrong for making that assumption.
Most IIFYMers will praise the benefits of whole, nutrient-dense foods with limited room for more processed, less-nutrient dense foods.0 -
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^^This a million times
Show me one scientific study with IIFYM having an advantage over cleaner eating.
And how is saying IIFYM doesn't have any scientific backing demonizing it? Or was it the gym rat comment? But yeah that's a lot of people that I've seen be able to implement it successfully and it's true you can out train many issues with diet.
When there are studies out there that say
you only need about 0.4 gr of fat per / pound of body weight
Or you only need about 0.8 gr of protein...
Or Carbs are non-essential
How is that not scientific backing??
They have just set up the parameters in which you can build your diet around macros0 -
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Show me one scientific study with IIFYM having an advantage over cleaner eating.
Define clean eating
F*** it, show me one study with IIFYM having an advantage over any other diet.
No one here said it did....
you are the one saying it doesn't
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^^This a million times
Show me one scientific study with IIFYM having an advantage over cleaner eating.
How about the fact that I was a clean eater that restricted myself of my favorite food for a very long time, which lead me to an eating disorder? IIFYM gave me what I needed to get healthy, and still have freedom of eating my favorite foods. There is your scientific study.0 -
]^^This a million times
Show me one scientific study with IIFYM having an advantage over cleaner eating.
Define clean eating
F*** it, show me one study with IIFYM having an advantage over any other diet.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11883916
It all boils down to how it impacts overall dietary adherence.0 -
That's the point. The system itself doesn't promote one over the other
Coincidentally that's my point too. If you tell someone you'll be able to retire if you save money then don't tell them how much they need to save it doesn't do them a whole lot of good. They have to already know a lot about finances to make it work. Just like IIFYM requires people to know a lot about healthy eating to make it work. Wide open recommendations are sometimes a dangerous thing...
And while you've explained what you perceive to be dangerous (sugar consumption leading to diabetes), you still haven't actually shown the specifics of how. Which is to say, I have no reason to accept your claim.0 -
Then why demonize IIFYM??
I'm not trying to demonize it. I'm just saying for the general population it has a high risk to be poorly implemented. And again many other diets fall prey to this like vegan diets. Just because you don't eat meat doesn't mean you're eating any healthier, etc.
Again, you are arguing from your narrow view point. While there are many that profess following a vegan lifestyle to be superior or healthier, the majority of vegans choose the lifestyle because they reject commodifying animals and believe animals should not be exploited by humans. Your frame of reference hurts your arguments.No I have said that IIFYM allows for what many people would consider excess added sugar consumption and that is linked to diabetes and diabetes is linked to excess weight.
Wait, is diabetes linked to excess weight, or is excess weight a risk factor for diabetes??0 -
That's the point. The system itself doesn't promote one over the other
Coincidentally that's my point too.
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How about the fact that I was a clean eater that restricted myself of my favorite food for a very long time, which lead me to an eating disorder? IIFYM gave me what I needed to get healthy, and still have freedom of eating my favorite foods. There is your scientific study.
Um... That's not a study that's anecdotal evidence.
Hello Kettle, this is pot....you are black0 -
That's the point. The system itself doesn't promote one over the other
Coincidentally that's my point too. If you tell someone you'll be able to retire if you save money then don't tell them how much they need to save it doesn't do them a whole lot of good. They have to already know a lot about finances to make it work. Just like IIFYM requires people to know a lot about healthy eating to make it work. Wide open recommendations are sometimes a dangerous thing...
The whole point to retirement planning is telling someone what they need to save! Interest rates, inflation, present and future value of money. Coming up with a number...Not just "save some money"! You just keep digging a bigger hole for yourself...0 -
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Max, he hasn't defined clean eating but he defined dirty:For me I consider dirty foods to be foods with refined sugar, soy products, and chemicals you can't pronounce.
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How about the fact that I was a clean eater that restricted myself of my favorite food for a very long time, which lead me to an eating disorder? IIFYM gave me what I needed to get healthy, and still have freedom of eating my favorite foods. There is your scientific study.
Um... That's not a study that's anecdotal evidence.
No chit.0 -
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Max, he hasn't defined clean eating but he defined dirty:For me I consider dirty foods to be foods with refined sugar, soy products, and chemicals you can't pronounce.
:indifferent:
Thank you for that....
by those standards, not sure what we can eat then0 -
The whole point to retirement planning is telling someone what they need to save! Interest rates, inflation, present and future value of money. Coming up with a number...Not just "save some money"! You just keep digging a bigger hole for yourself...
HA! So who comes up with the numbers and foods for IIFYM?
You do based on studies showing that
0.4 gr / pound of body weight for fat
0.8 gr / pound of body weight for protein
carbs make up the rest.
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Max, he hasn't defined clean eating but he defined dirty:For me I consider dirty foods to be foods with refined sugar, soy products, and chemicals you can't pronounce.
:indifferent:
Clean eating would be everything else.
but the diet you gave me, did not meet those "dirty" standards0 -
How about the fact that I was a clean eater that restricted myself of my favorite food for a very long time, which lead me to an eating disorder? IIFYM gave me what I needed to get healthy, and still have freedom of eating my favorite foods. There is your scientific study.
Um... That's not a study that's anecdotal evidence.
No chit.
So then why did you call it a scientific study?
Because you're demanding science behind whether something works or not. It obviously worked for me.0 -
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Sorry, that's not a scientific study. That's your experience. Hope the situation has resolved itself now.^^This a million times
Show me one scientific study with IIFYM having an advantage over cleaner eating.
How about the fact that I was a clean eater that restricted myself of my favorite food for a very long time, which lead me to an eating disorder? IIFYM gave me what I needed to get healthy, and still have freedom of eating my favorite foods. There is your scientific study.0 -
And why is soy bad???0
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