Paleo

lindsey1979

I tend to stay away from things that make you do anything other than just eat at a deficit.

Too many rules, too many foods you can and cannot eat, too many recommendations. Etc.

Just so much easier to be able to eat whatever food you want just in more responsible ways.

The rules are a bit off-putting.

I remember prepping dinner and I had to look up if I could eat corn, and the rules said no. I then had to look up why. It's not really clear why. So, I just ate it. then, I realized at it's base, I think paleo is an OK diet, but all the rules were silly and somewhat random. Like they didn't have any over-arching thing you could follow. So, I kind of gave up. Then I decided to try Primal, which is paleo with Dairy, and a bit more relaxed on all the rules of paleo. And, then, I decided that was kind of stupid. LOL. So, I just went back to normal. I don't like rules. LOL

yeah, and it probably works if you stick with it but the more rules/restrictions you put on a new way of eating the more likely soemone will just give it up and still have not learned anything.
Eating at simply a deficit teaches you how to eat in portions and can be adapted to any food/restuarant/etc.

The one thing that always gets me is if someone is overweight how do you expect them to constantly follow all those rules and stipulations when they couldnt adhere to the most simple of rules for weight loss/gain?

This sort of thinking always amazes me. Maybe, just maybe, what you think is the easiest, simplest, etc. is not the same for others. Perhaps, maybe, just maybe, they find other rules and restrictions easier, simpler, etc.

Such an obvious, simple concept but seems to elude so many here on this site.

Hmm, then I wonder why there are so many threads on here from people wondering how to go about eating Paleo.

Not everybody is doing it because it's easy or simple for them. Most people try it because they think they're going to lose weight doing it.

But, many find that it is much easier and simpler for them to maintain a calorie deficit once they eat Paleo or Primal. Others seek it out for other health benefits -- especially those with digestion or auto immune issues.

Girls, you're all pretty.

Holly_Roman_Empire

I tend to stay away from things that make you do anything other than just eat at a deficit.

Too many rules, too many foods you can and cannot eat, too many recommendations. Etc.

Just so much easier to be able to eat whatever food you want just in more responsible ways.

The rules are a bit off-putting.

I remember prepping dinner and I had to look up if I could eat corn, and the rules said no. I then had to look up why. It's not really clear why. So, I just ate it. then, I realized at it's base, I think paleo is an OK diet, but all the rules were silly and somewhat random. Like they didn't have any over-arching thing you could follow. So, I kind of gave up. Then I decided to try Primal, which is paleo with Dairy, and a bit more relaxed on all the rules of paleo. And, then, I decided that was kind of stupid. LOL. So, I just went back to normal. I don't like rules. LOL

yeah, and it probably works if you stick with it but the more rules/restrictions you put on a new way of eating the more likely soemone will just give it up and still have not learned anything.
Eating at simply a deficit teaches you how to eat in portions and can be adapted to any food/restuarant/etc.

The one thing that always gets me is if someone is overweight how do you expect them to constantly follow all those rules and stipulations when they couldnt adhere to the most simple of rules for weight loss/gain?

This sort of thinking always amazes me. Maybe, just maybe, what you think is the easiest, simplest, etc. is not the same for others. Perhaps, maybe, just maybe, they find other rules and restrictions easier, simpler, etc.

Such an obvious, simple concept but seems to elude so many here on this site.

Hmm, then I wonder why there are so many threads on here from people wondering how to go about eating Paleo.

Not everybody is doing it because it's easy or simple for them. Most people try it because they think they're going to lose weight doing it.

But, many find that it is much easier and simpler for them to maintain a calorie deficit once they eat Paleo or Primal. Others seek it out for other health benefits -- especially those with digestion or auto immune issues.

Girls, you're all pretty.

Well that was random.

AsaThorsWoman

Weight loss is calories in vs. calories out, however, the low-carb, high-fat or paleo or primal or ketogenic diet (no bread, pasta, etc...) really helps curb my hunger.

Would I lose the same amount of weight eating starchy rice and sweet potatoes if the caloric total was the same as the caloric totals with less then 20 net carbs a day I currently have?

Absolutely.

But, I would be STARVING and have issues with binging and unhappiness from being hungry/hangry all the time.

On low-carb, high-fat, I feel sated, not out of control cravings or anything like that.

That's just me.

Some people eat carbs all the time and have perfect self control and no cravings, I am not that person.

Just a few high carb cheats and I turn into a ravaging beast. Even on Paleo! I've never gained on high-carb Paleo but I did lose track of my appetite and crave high-carb and sweet Paleo foods. Three apples in one setting? Craving sweet potatoes?

PS: This takes weeks to develop. The first / week / sometimes month that you cut carbs or bread you will be a ravaging beast, your body will crave those carbs it is missing, so it's actually a somewhat timely and miserable investment.

After I get to goal weight I will go back to a "high-carb" Paleo diet, rockin' the rice, the starchy white and sweet potatoes, honey in half my recipes... BEER! You name it, but until then, I need the easy self-control an extremely restrictive ketogenic Paleo low-carb diet gives me.

Although I think "Primal" does sum it up best for me, as Sisson does promote cutting carbs for faster weight loss and OK's the dairy which I eat a ton of. Although I love the LCHF/Keto forums and learn a ton from them.

And yes, I'm currently addicted to Italian Creme Sodas which contain Splenda, sue me.

:-)

lindsey1979

Weight loss is calories in vs. calories out, however, the low-carb, high-fat or paleo or primal or ketogenic diet (no bread, pasta, etc...) really helps curb my hunger.

Would I lose the same amount of weight eating starchy rice and sweet potatoes if the caloric total was the same as the caloric totals with less then 20 net carbs a day I currently have?

Absolutely.

But, I would be STARVING and have issues with binging and unhappiness from being hungry/hangry all the time.

On low-carb, high-fat, I feel sated, not out of control cravings or anything like that.

That's just me.

Some people eat carbs all the time and have perfect self control and no cravings, I am not that person.

Just a few high carb cheats and I turn into a ravaging beast. Even on Paleo! I've never gained on high-carb Paleo but I did lose track of my appetite and crave high-carb and sweet Paleo foods. Three apples in one setting? Craving sweet potatoes?

PS: This takes weeks to develop. The first / week / sometimes month that you cut carbs or bread you will be a ravaging beast, your body will crave those carbs it is missing, so it's actually a somewhat timely and miserable investment.

After I get to goal weight I will go back to a "high-carb" Paleo diet, rockin' the rice, the starchy white and sweet potatoes, honey in half my recipes... BEER! You name it, but until then, I need the easy self-control an extremely restrictive ketogenic Paleo low-carb diet gives me.

Although I think "Primal" does sum it up best for me, as Sisson does promote cutting carbs for faster weight loss and OK's the dairy which I eat a ton of. Although I love the LCHF/Keto forums and learn a ton from them.

And yes, I'm currently addicted to Italian Creme Sodas which contain Splenda, sue me.

:-)

That's what some of the people don't seem to realize. Once you learn certain food issues, even if you're overall choices are fewer, if they help you feel better, more satiated, etc., that's the part that's easier and what makes the "restrictions" worth it to some people.

I figure whatever you can do to make it easier on yourself -- whether that's food choice, calorie counting, fasting, etc. -- and still produce a loss, that's a good path -- even if it wouldn't be a good or optimal path for another.

segovm

That's what some of the people don't seem to realize. Once you learn certain food issues, even if you're overall choices are fewer, if they help you feel better, more satiated, etc., that's the part that's easier and what makes the "restrictions" worth it to some people.

I figure whatever you can do to make it easier on yourself -- whether that's food choice, calorie counting, fasting, etc. -- and still produce a loss, that's a good path -- even if it wouldn't be a good or optimal path for another.

I think some people just get offended that other people don't agree with their absolute and specific way of doing things. Everybody goes on and on about how calories are the only thing that matter for weight loss without considering that far more important to getting the calories they need is feeling satisfied with what they eat.

I am far more full after eating some lean protein and veggies than I am eating the same number of calories in french fries and a soda thus I'm more likely to lose weight eating the former rather than the later.

Personally, I still count calories, it seems an important metric if you want to lose weight, but I would like those fewer calories to leave me a full as satisfied as possible for as long as possible and most of the paleo choices seem to fit the bill for that.

Sabine_Stroehm

I tend to stay away from things that make you do anything other than just eat at a deficit.

Too many rules, too many foods you can and cannot eat, too many recommendations. Etc.

Just so much easier to be able to eat whatever food you want just in more responsible ways.

The rules are a bit off-putting.

I remember prepping dinner and I had to look up if I could eat corn, and the rules said no. I then had to look up why. It's not really clear why. So, I just ate it. then, I realized at it's base, I think paleo is an OK diet, but all the rules were silly and somewhat random. Like they didn't have any over-arching thing you could follow. So, I kind of gave up. Then I decided to try Primal, which is paleo with Dairy, and a bit more relaxed on all the rules of paleo. And, then, I decided that was kind of stupid. LOL. So, I just went back to normal. I don't like rules. LOL

yeah, and it probably works if you stick with it but the more rules/restrictions you put on a new way of eating the more likely soemone will just give it up and still have not learned anything.
Eating at simply a deficit teaches you how to eat in portions and can be adapted to any food/restuarant/etc.

The one thing that always gets me is if someone is overweight how do you expect them to constantly follow all those rules and stipulations when they couldnt adhere to the most simple of rules for weight loss/gain?

And time will tell for each individual whether or not their own approach KEEPs the weight off. That's the real goal, yes?

Sabine_Stroehm

I tend to stay away from things that make you do anything other than just eat at a deficit.

Too many rules, too many foods you can and cannot eat, too many recommendations. Etc.

Just so much easier to be able to eat whatever food you want just in more responsible ways.

The rules are a bit off-putting.

I remember prepping dinner and I had to look up if I could eat corn, and the rules said no. I then had to look up why. It's not really clear why. So, I just ate it. then, I realized at it's base, I think paleo is an OK diet, but all the rules were silly and somewhat random. Like they didn't have any over-arching thing you could follow. So, I kind of gave up. Then I decided to try Primal, which is paleo with Dairy, and a bit more relaxed on all the rules of paleo. And, then, I decided that was kind of stupid. LOL. So, I just went back to normal. I don't like rules. LOL

yeah, and it probably works if you stick with it but the more rules/restrictions you put on a new way of eating the more likely soemone will just give it up and still have not learned anything.
Eating at simply a deficit teaches you how to eat in portions and can be adapted to any food/restuarant/etc.

The one thing that always gets me is if someone is overweight how do you expect them to constantly follow all those rules and stipulations when they couldnt adhere to the most simple of rules for weight loss/gain?

CRAVINGS would be my guess. And many who try lower carb/slower carb style eating plans (like pale) are attempting to curb those cravings. We each have to figure out what works. FOR US.
signed: not paleo.