Why Aspartame IS scary!

johnsonb0921

Btw op better figure out how to get rid of the bacteria in your gut because they are pooping as we speak....INSIDE YOU

I laughed so suddenly and forcefully at those last 2 words that I actually hurt my face somehow.

Dewymorning

Honestly any fake sweatener is questionable in my mind. Stevia being the odd duck out as it's an extract from a plant [hard to be concerned there]. I had a diet pop every now and then [yes has aspartame] but otherwise keep sugars [including artificial ones] to a minimum.

It's natural, so it must be safe. It is not like there are naturally occuring poisons out there...

In fact: http://listverse.com/2013/04/03/10-poisons-and-their-horrifying-effects/

I think 5 of those are naturally occuring?

Sarcasm

shewentwhoa

Aspartame has been noted to cause medical problems. (headaches, vision problems, weight gain, heart problems).
That's why I won't drink DC anymore and I absolutely love(d) it

saschka7

I love the way the phrase fecal matter is used to disgust people and make them think of human or animal waste. In reality we eat many things that are waste products from biological processes just using shock words doesn't automatically make something bad. Calling it poop is just silly, rather childish and actually technically wrong but hey ho whatever you wish to believe

Amen. :drinker:

neandermagnon

Aspartame Is Fecal Matter of Genetically Modified E. Coli Bacteria. Want proof? Here you go. http://www.freepatentsonline.com/EP0036258.html

Do you drink alcohol? Because if so, alcohol is the metabolic waste of yeast

Also, feces is not metabolic waste, it's egested food. Urine is metabolic waste, so even the analogy is wrong. Aspartame is the equivalent of *urine* of bacteria.

Oh, and oxygen is the metabolic waste of plants so you'd better stop breathing it. Breathing in plant urine can't be any good for you, can it....?

neandermagnon

See I knew I was gonna need my hat today...and everyone laughed...

I did not laugh. I asked where I could get one.

<<<<< I covered my whole body in tinfoil, because you can never be too careful!

My avatar Wilma wanted a tin foil hat but she only has middle palaeolithic technology, so no tin yet. Would an animal skin hat do just as well? It looks kind of shiny when wet...

earlnabby

Aspartame Is Fecal Matter of Genetically Modified E. Coli Bacteria.

Yeah, and bread rises because of the farts of yeast. So what?

saschka7

See I knew I was gonna need my hat today...and everyone laughed...

I did not laugh. I asked where I could get one.

<<<<< I covered my whole body in tinfoil, because you can never be too careful!

My avatar Wilma wanted a tin foil hat but she only has middle palaeolithic technology, so no tin yet. Would an animal skin hat do just as well? It looks kind of shiny when wet...

What's that stuff found in nature that kinda glows in the dark (phosphorus??)--I'm sure you could use that to smear on your wet animals skins as well! :drinker:

earlnabby

See I knew I was gonna need my hat today...and everyone laughed...

I did not laugh. I asked where I could get one.

<<<<< I covered my whole body in tinfoil, because you can never be too careful!

My avatar Wilma wanted a tin foil hat but she only has middle palaeolithic technology, so no tin yet. Would an animal skin hat do just as well? It looks kind of shiny when wet...

What's that stuff found in nature that kinda glows in the dark (phosphorus??)--I'm sure you could use that to smear on your wet animals skins as well! :drinker:

There is also some kind of fungus that grows in the forest that glows in the dark.

Valrotha

Sigh.

Here's a pretty thorough debunking by David Hattan, Ph. D, Acting Director of the Division of Health Effects Evaluation in the United States Food & Drug Administration (USFDA) Center for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition:

http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/aspartame.asp

Thanks for this. VERY interesting read, especially the following...

"There is absolutely no reason to take this product. It is NOT A DIET PRODUCT!!! The Congressional record said, "It makes you crave carbohydrates and will make you FAT". Dr. Roberts stated that when he got patients off aspartame, their average weight loss was 19 pounds per person. The formaldehyde stores in the fat cells, particularly in the hips and thighs."

earlnabby

Sigh.

Here's a pretty thorough debunking by David Hattan, Ph. D, Acting Director of the Division of Health Effects Evaluation in the United States Food & Drug Administration (USFDA) Center for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition:

http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/aspartame.asp

Thanks for this. VERY interesting read, especially the following...

"There is absolutely no reason to take this product. It is NOT A DIET PRODUCT!!! The Congressional record said, "It makes you crave carbohydrates and will make you FAT". Dr. Roberts stated that when he got patients off aspartame, their average weight loss was 19 pounds per person. The formaldehyde stores in the fat cells, particularly in the hips and thighs."

Can you please clarify what you are trying to say? It sounds like you are agreeing with the part of the article that the remainder of the article debunks.

neandermagnon

See I knew I was gonna need my hat today...and everyone laughed...

I did not laugh. I asked where I could get one.

<<<<< I covered my whole body in tinfoil, because you can never be too careful!

My avatar Wilma wanted a tin foil hat but she only has middle palaeolithic technology, so no tin yet. Would an animal skin hat do just as well? It looks kind of shiny when wet...

What's that stuff found in nature that kinda glows in the dark (phosphorus??)--I'm sure you could use that to smear on your wet animals skins as well! :drinker:

There is also some kind of fungus that grows in the forest that glows in the dark.

But can all this stuff be found in Pleistocene Europe?

Wilma will look for them just in case.

ninerbuff

Aspartame has been noted to cause medical problems. (headaches, vision problems, weight gain, heart problems).
That's why I won't drink DC anymore and I absolutely love(d) it

Change the wording "cause" with the words "be correlated with" since the symptoms aren't associated with everyone in the general population who drinks them.

And "correlation" isn't the same as "causation".

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ninerbuff

Sigh.

Here's a pretty thorough debunking by David Hattan, Ph. D, Acting Director of the Division of Health Effects Evaluation in the United States Food & Drug Administration (USFDA) Center for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition:

http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/aspartame.asp

Thanks for this. VERY interesting read, especially the following...

"There is absolutely no reason to take this product. It is NOT A DIET PRODUCT!!! The Congressional record said, "It makes you crave carbohydrates and will make you FAT". Dr. Roberts stated that when he got patients off aspartame, their average weight loss was 19 pounds per person. The formaldehyde stores in the fat cells, particularly in the hips and thighs."

You do realize that the statement you're quoting was DEBUNKED by Dr. Hatton? Dr. Roberts study was on people who already had lupus acquired symptoms.

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IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

neandermagnon

Aspartame is scary because it does this:



and this:

FunkyTobias

Aspartame has been noted to cause medical problems. (headaches, vision problems, weight gain, heart problems).
That's why I won't drink DC anymore and I absolutely love(d) it

Change the wording "cause" with the words "be correlated with" since the symptoms aren't associated with everyone in the general population who drinks them.

And "correlation" isn't the same as "causation".

You don't say.

QueenBishOTUniverse

Aspartame has been noted to cause medical problems. (headaches, vision problems, weight gain, heart problems).
That's why I won't drink DC anymore and I absolutely love(d) it

Change the wording "cause" with the words "be correlated with" since the symptoms aren't associated with everyone in the general population who drinks them.

And "correlation" isn't the same as "causation".

You don't say.

And since the anti-vacc/anti-gmo super broscience hybridization theory was brought up earlier:

Fit_Chef_NE

Just because what OP wrote is junk science, doesn't mean diet soda is a healthy thing to put into your body. By all means, go ahead if you must. I don't really care. But it will still harm tooth enamel and all that caffeine can hurt your body. It you're serious about a lifestyle change (the only way weight will actually stay off IMO) then you will choose healthier alternatives most of the time. Water is still much healthier. The occasional diet soda won't do much harm but come on, we're former and current heavyweights here, we don't just have one of anything and occasional isn't our thing. A lot of people drink WAY too much diet soda and probably have no idea that there are still serious health risks. They aren't exactly sodium free either.

Also people using alcohol and honey (sugar) as proof that byproducts are healthy are being a bit silly. Yes, beer is just SO good for you. What a stunning example.

FunkyTobias

Just because what OP wrote is junk science, doesn't mean diet soda is a healthy thing to put into your body. By all means, go ahead if you must. I don't really care. But it will still harm tooth enamel and all that caffeine can hurt your body. It you're serious about a lifestyle change (the only way weight will actually stay off IMO) then you will choose healthier alternatives most of the time. Water is still much healthier. The occasional diet soda won't do much harm but come on, we're former and current heavyweights here, we don't just have one of anything and occasional isn't our thing. A lot of people drink WAY too much diet soda and probably have no idea that there are still serious health risks. They aren't exactly sodium free either.

Also people using alcohol and honey (sugar) as proof that byproducts are healthy are being a bit silly. Yes, beer is just SO good for you. What a stunning example.

Both beer and liquor tend to confer the same health benefits as red wine; the benefit is found in the alcohol rather than in a specific beverage.

Alcohol reduces heart attacks, ichemic strokes and circulatory problems through a number of identified ways. They include:

Improving blood lipid profile by increasing HDL (“good”) cholesterol and decreasing LDL (“bad”) cholesterol.
Decreasing thrombosis (blood clotting) by reducing platelet aggregation, reducing fibrinogen (a blood clotter) and increasing fibrinolysis (the process by which clots dissolve).
Other ways such as increasing coronary blood flow, reducing blood pressure, and reducing blood insulin level.

The moderate consumption of alcohol appears to be more effective than most other lifestyle changes that are used to lower the risk of heart and other diseases. For example, the average person would need to follow a very strict low-fat diet, exercise vigorously on a regular basis, eliminate salt from the diet, lose a substantial amount of weight, and probably begin medication in order to lower cholesterol by 30 points or blood pressure by 20 points.

http://www2.potsdam.edu/alcohol/Controversies/1088441583.html#.U5x_jrHfTcg

earlnabby

Just because what OP wrote is junk science, doesn't mean diet soda is a healthy thing to put into your body. By all means, go ahead if you must. I don't really care. But it will still harm tooth enamel and all that caffeine can hurt your body. It you're serious about a lifestyle change (the only way weight will actually stay off IMO) then you will choose healthier alternatives most of the time. Water is still much healthier. The occasional diet soda won't do much harm but come on, we're former and current heavyweights here, we don't just have one of anything and occasional isn't our thing. A lot of people drink WAY too much diet soda and probably have no idea that there are still serious health risks. They aren't exactly sodium free either.

Also people using alcohol and honey (sugar) as proof that byproducts are healthy are being a bit silly. Yes, beer is just SO good for you. What a stunning example.

Actually, some beers ARE good for you. Researchers from the University of Wisconsin found that Guinness contained antioxidant compounds similar to those found in certain fruits and vegetables. These compounds slow down the deposit of cholesterol on artery walls.

Branstin

I am going to have a Diet Pepsi with my dinner this evening. :bigsmile:

QueenBishOTUniverse

Just because what OP wrote is junk science, doesn't mean diet soda is a healthy thing to put into your body. By all means, go ahead if you must. I don't really care. But it will still harm tooth enamel and all that caffeine can hurt your body. It you're serious about a lifestyle change (the only way weight will actually stay off IMO) then you will choose healthier alternatives most of the time. Water is still much healthier. The occasional diet soda won't do much harm but come on, we're former and current heavyweights here, we don't just have one of anything and occasional isn't our thing. A lot of people drink WAY too much diet soda and probably have no idea that there are still serious health risks. They aren't exactly sodium free either.

Also people using alcohol and honey (sugar) as proof that byproducts are healthy are being a bit silly. Yes, beer is just SO good for you. What a stunning example.

1. You're projecting on to your audience and making assumptions that may not be true.
2. A lifestyle change that includes things you love, like diet soda for some people, is likely to be much easier to maintain.
3. Alcohol was mentioned because it is the EXACT SAME PROCESS that the OP was getting freaked out about. People have been imbibing bacterial waste products for centuries.
4. Other people have already debunked calling alcohol unhealthy.

ETA: Updated my profile photo in honor of bro-science. Enjoy.

williams969

Also people using alcohol and honey (sugar) as proof that byproducts are healthy are being a bit silly. Yes, beer is just SO good for you. What a stunning example.

Wrong. *We* are not using this as proof at all. The OP is using "byproducts" as the reason why aspartame is *bad*. WE are merely pointing out that the same means of production exists and has existed in both nature and by human-made food sources since the dawn of humanity. To say that aspartame is bad because of this is silly. We are disputing and disproving the initial argument.

And yeah, BEER is good for humankind, too. It is one of the marvels of human ingenuity that has built civilizations (in general, individuals have a choice not to drink alcohol, too, and that's cool).

redversustheblue

Just because what OP wrote is junk science, doesn't mean diet soda is a healthy thing to put into your body. By all means, go ahead if you must. I don't really care. But it will still harm tooth enamel and all that caffeine can hurt your body. It you're serious about a lifestyle change (the only way weight will actually stay off IMO) then you will choose healthier alternatives most of the time. Water is still much healthier. The occasional diet soda won't do much harm but come on, we're former and current heavyweights here, we don't just have one of anything and occasional isn't our thing. A lot of people drink WAY too much diet soda and probably have no idea that there are still serious health risks. They aren't exactly sodium free either.

Also people using alcohol and honey (sugar) as proof that byproducts are healthy are being a bit silly. Yes, beer is just SO good for you. What a stunning example.

Yes. That 40mg of sodium in my diet dr pepper is so scary!!

williams969

Just because what OP wrote is junk science, doesn't mean diet soda is a healthy thing to put into your body. By all means, go ahead if you must. I don't really care. But it will still harm tooth enamel and all that caffeine can hurt your body. It you're serious about a lifestyle change (the only way weight will actually stay off IMO) then you will choose healthier alternatives most of the time. Water is still much healthier. The occasional diet soda won't do much harm but come on, we're former and current heavyweights here, we don't just have one of anything and occasional isn't our thing. A lot of people drink WAY too much diet soda and probably have no idea that there are still serious health risks. They aren't exactly sodium free either.

Also people using alcohol and honey (sugar) as proof that byproducts are healthy are being a bit silly. Yes, beer is just SO good for you. What a stunning example.

Yes. That 40mg of sodium in my diet dr pepper is so scary!!

Ha! I missed that. Yeah, my pile of organic spinach (I do hope no one disputes the "healthyness" of spinach, geesh) has more naturally occurring sodium than my bottle of Diet Pepsi washing it down. Sodium is an absolutely necessary nutrient for life.

Seriously, I'm discouraged that science is so hard for some people.

Yagisama

If the body's salt levels were to be too low, it would cause death.

Salt is not only needed since it helps regulated extracellular fluid volume in cells, both sodium and chlorine have significant roles as neurotransmitters in the nervous system.

A sodium deficiency could lead to heart failure, brain swelling, and other health issues leading to death.

It's unfortunate that there is so much readily available information these days at one's fingertips, yet many still wallow in willful ignorance.

Alluminati

If the body's salt levels were to be too low, it would cause death.

Salt is not only needed since it helps regulated extracellular fluid volume in cells, both sodium and chlorine have significant roles as neurotransmitters in the nervous system.

A sodium deficiency could lead to heart failure, brain swelling, and other health issues leading to death.

It's unfortunate that there is so much readily available information these days at one's fingertips, yet many still wallow in willful ignorance.

you mean I won't die if a black cat crosses my path? Whew.....relieved....

Aaron_K123

Aspartame has been noted to cause medical problems. (headaches, vision problems, weight gain, heart problems).
That's why I won't drink DC anymore and I absolutely love(d) it

So you loved diet cola, you had no issues drinking it, then you read somewhere than someone got headaches from it so you stopped drinking it because of that despite the fact that you yourself had no negative effects.

So does that mean you avoid peanuts? Because I read somewhere that penuts will kill certain people. Death is worse than headaches so I imagine you avoid the hell out of peanuts.

Aaron_K123

The sodium content of soda is actually not that different from the sodium content of tap water. This, by the way, is not a coincidence.

kgeyser

Just because what OP wrote is junk science, doesn't mean diet soda is a healthy thing to put into your body. By all means, go ahead if you must. I don't really care. But it will still harm tooth enamel and all that caffeine can hurt your body. It you're serious about a lifestyle change (the only way weight will actually stay off IMO) then you will choose healthier alternatives most of the time. Water is still much healthier. The occasional diet soda won't do much harm but come on, we're former and current heavyweights here, we don't just have one of anything and occasional isn't our thing. A lot of people drink WAY too much diet soda and probably have no idea that there are still serious health risks. They aren't exactly sodium free either.

Also people using alcohol and honey (sugar) as proof that byproducts are healthy are being a bit silly. Yes, beer is just SO good for you. What a stunning example.

Speak for yourself. I can have one diet soda a day and be done. I can have no soda and be completely fine. If you have issues with willpower, that's something you need to work on personally, it's not a reason for everyone else to stop consuming diet soda.