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It must suck being so scared of food.
I'm not scared of food I'm scared of billion dollar industries and their associated lobbyists0 -
It must suck being so scared of food.
I'm not scared of food I'm scared of billion dollar industries and their associated lobbyists
This.0 -
GMO vs NON GMO does not affect weight loss as far as I know.
But I have to say it drives me crazy when people say that GMOs are fine because there is no evidence to prove its bad for your health. When in reality there is no epidemiological, long term studies at all. Therefore lack of evidence is just that - lack of evidence. So no one can say they are "good" or "bad"
The issue I have is that it is unnecessary. A significant portion of GMOs grown today are corn or soy. The genetic modification inserts a gene into the plant that prevents the plant from being killed by herbicides (most often Round-up, made by Monsanto). Herbicides are only necessary because of the extensive mono-cropping and using HUGE acres of land for one species. This makes it susceptible to weed over growth. So before GMOs farmers were still using round up they were simply being careful to only spray it on actual weeds. SO now they can spray the *kitten* out of everything in sight - now not only do we have GMOs but also larger amounts of herbicides on our food.
GMOs are not necessary if your a small-mid sized farm and use a variety of crops and a variety of pest and weed control management - "integrated pest management" which is using pesticides and herbicides only if necessary.
Should we take the chance(small or large) of negative health affects simply for convenience? To me it is a no...
Having said all that the entire food system is broken and it's too much time, effort and money to stay away from these things indefinitely. So I don't necessarily avoid GMOs like the plague. I just try to generally eat well.
Yet life expectancy is longer than it's ever been. Yeah, ok.
haha. Are you suggesting that GMOs have increased life span? Because I would say its probably our medical, technological and sanitation advancements....
YES. A MILLION TIMES YES. GMOs have increased our average lifespans tremendously.
How do you figure? MAYBE you could argue vaccinations, but thats besides the point we are talking about FOOD0 -
GMO vs NON GMO does not affect weight loss as far as I know.
But I have to say it drives me crazy when people say that GMOs are fine because there is no evidence to prove its bad for your health. When in reality there is no epidemiological, long term studies at all. Therefore lack of evidence is just that - lack of evidence. So no one can say they are "good" or "bad"
The issue I have is that it is unnecessary. A significant portion of GMOs grown today are corn or soy. The genetic modification inserts a gene into the plant that prevents the plant from being killed by herbicides (most often Round-up, made by Monsanto). Herbicides are only necessary because of the extensive mono-cropping and using HUGE acres of land for one species. This makes it susceptible to weed over growth. So before GMOs farmers were still using round up they were simply being careful to only spray it on actual weeds. SO now they can spray the *kitten* out of everything in sight - now not only do we have GMOs but also larger amounts of herbicides on our food.
GMOs are not necessary if your a small-mid sized farm and use a variety of crops and a variety of pest and weed control management - "integrated pest management" which is using pesticides and herbicides only if necessary.
Should we take the chance(small or large) of negative health affects simply for convenience? To me it is a no...
Having said all that the entire food system is broken and it's too much time, effort and money to stay away from these things indefinitely. So I don't necessarily avoid GMOs like the plague. I just try to generally eat well.
Yet life expectancy is longer than it's ever been. Yeah, ok.
haha. Are you suggesting that GMOs have increased life span? Because I would say its probably our medical, technological and sanitation advancements....
YES. A MILLION TIMES YES. GMOs have increased our average lifespans tremendously and if you are ignorant of that clear fact then I question whether or not you know what we rely heavily on GMOs to produce.
Only because your definition encompasses natural breeding techniques. Sneaky!0 -
GMO vs NON GMO does not affect weight loss as far as I know.
But I have to say it drives me crazy when people say that GMOs are fine because there is no evidence to prove its bad for your health. When in reality there is no epidemiological, long term studies at all. Therefore lack of evidence is just that - lack of evidence. So no one can say they are "good" or "bad"
The issue I have is that it is unnecessary. A significant portion of GMOs grown today are corn or soy. The genetic modification inserts a gene into the plant that prevents the plant from being killed by herbicides (most often Round-up, made by Monsanto). Herbicides are only necessary because of the extensive mono-cropping and using HUGE acres of land for one species. This makes it susceptible to weed over growth. So before GMOs farmers were still using round up they were simply being careful to only spray it on actual weeds. SO now they can spray the *kitten* out of everything in sight - now not only do we have GMOs but also larger amounts of herbicides on our food.
GMOs are not necessary if your a small-mid sized farm and use a variety of crops and a variety of pest and weed control management - "integrated pest management" which is using pesticides and herbicides only if necessary.
Should we take the chance(small or large) of negative health affects simply for convenience? To me it is a no...
Having said all that the entire food system is broken and it's too much time, effort and money to stay away from these things indefinitely. So I don't necessarily avoid GMOs like the plague. I just try to generally eat well.
Yet life expectancy is longer than it's ever been. Yeah, ok.
haha. Are you suggesting that GMOs have increased life span? Because I would say its probably our medical, technological and sanitation advancements....
YES. A MILLION TIMES YES. GMOs have increased our average lifespans tremendously and if you are ignorant of that clear fact then I question whether or not you know what we rely heavily on GMOs to produce.
Only because your definition encompasses natural breeding techniques. Sneaky!
As Aaron pointed out, genetically modified organisms are used in medical research and treatments.0 -
It must suck being so scared of food.
I'm not scared of food I'm scared of billion dollar industries and their associated lobbyists
This.
Vague overgeneralized demonization of a tool that is foundational to medicine and research serves no one.0 -
It must suck being so scared of food.
I'm not scared of food I'm scared of billion dollar industries and their associated lobbyists
This.
Vague overgeneralized demonization of a tool that is foundational to medicine and research serves no one.
Neither does obscuring facts from the general public. Even when done for the best of reasons, it still simply leads to more distrust and ignorance.0 -
GMO vs NON GMO does not affect weight loss as far as I know.
But I have to say it drives me crazy when people say that GMOs are fine because there is no evidence to prove its bad for your health. When in reality there is no epidemiological, long term studies at all. Therefore lack of evidence is just that - lack of evidence. So no one can say they are "good" or "bad"
The issue I have is that it is unnecessary. A significant portion of GMOs grown today are corn or soy. The genetic modification inserts a gene into the plant that prevents the plant from being killed by herbicides (most often Round-up, made by Monsanto). Herbicides are only necessary because of the extensive mono-cropping and using HUGE acres of land for one species. This makes it susceptible to weed over growth. So before GMOs farmers were still using round up they were simply being careful to only spray it on actual weeds. SO now they can spray the *kitten* out of everything in sight - now not only do we have GMOs but also larger amounts of herbicides on our food.
GMOs are not necessary if your a small-mid sized farm and use a variety of crops and a variety of pest and weed control management - "integrated pest management" which is using pesticides and herbicides only if necessary.
Should we take the chance(small or large) of negative health affects simply for convenience? To me it is a no...
Having said all that the entire food system is broken and it's too much time, effort and money to stay away from these things indefinitely. So I don't necessarily avoid GMOs like the plague. I just try to generally eat well.
Yet life expectancy is longer than it's ever been. Yeah, ok.
haha. Are you suggesting that GMOs have increased life span? Because I would say its probably our medical, technological and sanitation advancements....
YES. A MILLION TIMES YES. GMOs have increased our average lifespans tremendously and if you are ignorant of that clear fact then I question whether or not you know what we rely heavily on GMOs to produce.
Only because your definition encompasses natural breeding techniques. Sneaky!
As Aaron pointed out, genetically modified organisms are used in medical research and treatments.
Ah, okay. Willing to compromise then. Don't label medicine. Do label food. Problem solved.0 -
Not to mention GMOs are under patent laws, so now these plant varieties are under patents and have thus been "privatized", thus making monsanto a billion dollar herbicide company one of the first to own a species of plant and can defend that by law.
Which species do they own?0 -
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[/quote]Subjective. I eat quite a bit of processed foods vs my cousin who is vegan and only eats organic. She suffers from anemia and lacks any stamina along with still being quite overweight, whereas I'm very fit (especially for my age) and don't have issues with weight like she does.
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I think the anemia and lack of stamina is probably more related to being vegan than processed foods.0 -
GMO vs NON GMO does not affect weight loss as far as I know.
But I have to say it drives me crazy when people say that GMOs are fine because there is no evidence to prove its bad for your health. When in reality there is no epidemiological, long term studies at all. Therefore lack of evidence is just that - lack of evidence. So no one can say they are "good" or "bad"
The issue I have is that it is unnecessary. A significant portion of GMOs grown today are corn or soy. The genetic modification inserts a gene into the plant that prevents the plant from being killed by herbicides (most often Round-up, made by Monsanto). Herbicides are only necessary because of the extensive mono-cropping and using HUGE acres of land for one species. This makes it susceptible to weed over growth. So before GMOs farmers were still using round up they were simply being careful to only spray it on actual weeds. SO now they can spray the *kitten* out of everything in sight - now not only do we have GMOs but also larger amounts of herbicides on our food.
GMOs are not necessary if your a small-mid sized farm and use a variety of crops and a variety of pest and weed control management - "integrated pest management" which is using pesticides and herbicides only if necessary.
Should we take the chance(small or large) of negative health affects simply for convenience? To me it is a no...
Having said all that the entire food system is broken and it's too much time, effort and money to stay away from these things indefinitely. So I don't necessarily avoid GMOs like the plague. I just try to generally eat well.
Yet life expectancy is longer than it's ever been. Yeah, ok.
haha. Are you suggesting that GMOs have increased life span? Because I would say its probably our medical, technological and sanitation advancements....
YES. A MILLION TIMES YES. GMOs have increased our average lifespans tremendously and if you are ignorant of that clear fact then I question whether or not you know what we rely heavily on GMOs to produce.
Only because your definition encompasses natural breeding techniques. Sneaky!
As Aaron pointed out, genetically modified organisms are used in medical research and treatments.
Ah, okay. Willing to compromise then. Don't label medicine. Do label food. Problem solved.
I would be more concerned with transparency involving medicine than I am with food that has been shown not to have a difference at the level of consumption.0 -
Subjective. I eat quite a bit of processed foods vs my cousin who is vegan and only eats organic. She suffers from anemia and lacks any stamina along with still being quite overweight, whereas I'm very fit (especially for my age) and don't have issues with weight like she does.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
I think the anemia and lack of stamina is probably more related to being vegan than processed foods.
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LOL.0 -
It must suck being so scared of food.
I'm not scared of food I'm scared of billion dollar industries and their associated lobbyists
This.
Vague overgeneralized demonization of a tool that is foundational to medicine and research serves no one.
Okay so I'll be specific, Do you think monsanto SPECIFICALLY has any merit to society at all? Because I see it as a billion dollar company, whose lobbyists affect government regulations, allowing them to basically answer to no one?
Monsanto specifically is certainly not "foundational to medicine and research"0 -
Not to mention GMOs are under patent laws, so now these plant varieties are under patents and have thus been "privatized", thus making monsanto a billion dollar herbicide company one of the first to own a species of plant and can defend that by law.
Which species do they own?
"We now believe that Monsanto has control over as much as 90 percent of (seed genetics). This level of control is almost unbelievable," said Neil Harl, agricultural economist at Iowa State University who has studied the seed industry for decades. "The upshot of that is that it's tightening Monsanto's control, and makes it possible for them to increase their prices long term. And we've seen this happening the last five years, and the end is not in sight."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/13/monsanto-squeezes-out-see_n_390354.html0 -
GMO vs NON GMO does not affect weight loss as far as I know.
But I have to say it drives me crazy when people say that GMOs are fine because there is no evidence to prove its bad for your health. When in reality there is no epidemiological, long term studies at all. Therefore lack of evidence is just that - lack of evidence. So no one can say they are "good" or "bad"
The issue I have is that it is unnecessary. A significant portion of GMOs grown today are corn or soy. The genetic modification inserts a gene into the plant that prevents the plant from being killed by herbicides (most often Round-up, made by Monsanto). Herbicides are only necessary because of the extensive mono-cropping and using HUGE acres of land for one species. This makes it susceptible to weed over growth. So before GMOs farmers were still using round up they were simply being careful to only spray it on actual weeds. SO now they can spray the *kitten* out of everything in sight - now not only do we have GMOs but also larger amounts of herbicides on our food.
GMOs are not necessary if your a small-mid sized farm and use a variety of crops and a variety of pest and weed control management - "integrated pest management" which is using pesticides and herbicides only if necessary.
Should we take the chance(small or large) of negative health affects simply for convenience? To me it is a no...
Having said all that the entire food system is broken and it's too much time, effort and money to stay away from these things indefinitely. So I don't necessarily avoid GMOs like the plague. I just try to generally eat well.
Monocropping was done before GMOs. I agree that the food system needs work but that's from an environmental/ethical standpoint, not from a nutritional one.0 -
Not to mention GMOs are under patent laws, so now these plant varieties are under patents and have thus been "privatized", thus making monsanto a billion dollar herbicide company one of the first to own a species of plant and can defend that by law.
Which species do they own?
"We now believe that Monsanto has control over as much as 90 percent of (seed genetics). This level of control is almost unbelievable," said Neil Harl, agricultural economist at Iowa State University who has studied the seed industry for decades. "The upshot of that is that it's tightening Monsanto's control, and makes it possible for them to increase their prices long term. And we've seen this happening the last five years, and the end is not in sight."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/13/monsanto-squeezes-out-see_n_390354.html
http://www.seedsavers.org/
Name a species that Monsanto owns that you can't find in this catalog.0 -
GMO vs NON GMO does not affect weight loss as far as I know.
But I have to say it drives me crazy when people say that GMOs are fine because there is no evidence to prove its bad for your health. When in reality there is no epidemiological, long term studies at all. Therefore lack of evidence is just that - lack of evidence. So no one can say they are "good" or "bad"
The issue I have is that it is unnecessary. A significant portion of GMOs grown today are corn or soy. The genetic modification inserts a gene into the plant that prevents the plant from being killed by herbicides (most often Round-up, made by Monsanto). Herbicides are only necessary because of the extensive mono-cropping and using HUGE acres of land for one species. This makes it susceptible to weed over growth. So before GMOs farmers were still using round up they were simply being careful to only spray it on actual weeds. SO now they can spray the *kitten* out of everything in sight - now not only do we have GMOs but also larger amounts of herbicides on our food.
GMOs are not necessary if your a small-mid sized farm and use a variety of crops and a variety of pest and weed control management - "integrated pest management" which is using pesticides and herbicides only if necessary.
Should we take the chance(small or large) of negative health affects simply for convenience? To me it is a no...
Having said all that the entire food system is broken and it's too much time, effort and money to stay away from these things indefinitely. So I don't necessarily avoid GMOs like the plague. I just try to generally eat well.
Monocropping was done before GMOs. I agree that the food system needs work but that's from an environmental/ethical standpoint, not from a nutritional one.
Agreed, I just meant that the mono cropping was likely what caused the need for GMOs. I would also agree that it is more of an environmental issue as most studies agree the nutrient value does't change much after genetic modification (exception: golden rice)0 -
It must suck being so scared of food.
I'm not scared of food I'm scared of billion dollar industries and their associated lobbyists
This.
Vague overgeneralized demonization of a tool that is foundational to medicine and research serves no one.
Okay so I'll be specific, Do you think monsanto SPECIFICALLY has any merit to society at all? Because I see it as a billion dollar company, whose lobbyists affect government regulations, allowing them to basically answer to no one?
Monsanto specifically is certainly not "foundational to medicine and research"
I think that the fact that farmers choose to buy and even attempt to pirate their seeds shows that there is a benefit to using the seeds.0 -
GMO vs NON GMO does not affect weight loss as far as I know.
But I have to say it drives me crazy when people say that GMOs are fine because there is no evidence to prove its bad for your health. When in reality there is no epidemiological, long term studies at all. Therefore lack of evidence is just that - lack of evidence. So no one can say they are "good" or "bad"
The issue I have is that it is unnecessary. A significant portion of GMOs grown today are corn or soy. The genetic modification inserts a gene into the plant that prevents the plant from being killed by herbicides (most often Round-up, made by Monsanto). Herbicides are only necessary because of the extensive mono-cropping and using HUGE acres of land for one species. This makes it susceptible to weed over growth. So before GMOs farmers were still using round up they were simply being careful to only spray it on actual weeds. SO now they can spray the *kitten* out of everything in sight - now not only do we have GMOs but also larger amounts of herbicides on our food.
GMOs are not necessary if your a small-mid sized farm and use a variety of crops and a variety of pest and weed control management - "integrated pest management" which is using pesticides and herbicides only if necessary.
Should we take the chance(small or large) of negative health affects simply for convenience? To me it is a no...
Having said all that the entire food system is broken and it's too much time, effort and money to stay away from these things indefinitely. So I don't necessarily avoid GMOs like the plague. I just try to generally eat well.
Monocropping was done before GMOs. I agree that the food system needs work but that's from an environmental/ethical standpoint, not from a nutritional one.
Agreed, I just meant that the mono cropping was likely what caused the need for GMOs. I would also agree that it is more of an environmental issue as most studies agree the nutrient value does't change much after genetic modification (exception: golden rice)
I think that there is huge power in locally grown regional adaptations, but that's a topic for a different thread.0 -
Not to mention GMOs are under patent laws, so now these plant varieties are under patents and have thus been "privatized", thus making monsanto a billion dollar herbicide company one of the first to own a species of plant and can defend that by law.
Which species do they own?
"We now believe that Monsanto has control over as much as 90 percent of (seed genetics). This level of control is almost unbelievable," said Neil Harl, agricultural economist at Iowa State University who has studied the seed industry for decades. "The upshot of that is that it's tightening Monsanto's control, and makes it possible for them to increase their prices long term. And we've seen this happening the last five years, and the end is not in sight."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/13/monsanto-squeezes-out-see_n_390354.html
http://www.seedsavers.org/
Name a species that Monsanto owns that you can't find in this catalog.
Its not that you can't by corn number 2 at a seed store, its that if their seeds drift onto your lot, the can sue the pants off of you for having their highly specific type of seed and making money off it0 -
Genetic engineering has been happening for as long as humans have been around. Why is it only suddenly an issue? Should we be frightened of all the "unnatural" breeds of dogs that humans have created? What about cats? Should we be scared of every crop we eat today that only exists because of selective breeding over thousands of years?
If they go back to doing it the old fashioned way, I'll quit worrying. But new methods have the potential to create new problems.
And even if they strictly follow the old fashioned way, breeding plants that tolerate higher levels of pesticides still has the potential to cause the humans that eat those plants more problems, since it might mean our food contains previously lethal to plants levels of pesticides that might then be lethal to us.
Also, any company that uses its influence to buy its way out of our legal system is not to be trusted in any case. For that reason alone, I will do everything I can to avoid Monsanto products.
So you're afraid of new things and you would prefer to go back to the less effective, less efficient way?
I am of the opposite opinion.0 -
It must suck being so scared of food.
I'm not scared of food I'm scared of billion dollar industries and their associated lobbyists
This.
Vague overgeneralized demonization of a tool that is foundational to medicine and research serves no one.
Okay so I'll be specific, Do you think monsanto SPECIFICALLY has any merit to society at all? Because I see it as a billion dollar company, whose lobbyists affect government regulations, allowing them to basically answer to no one?
Monsanto specifically is certainly not "foundational to medicine and research"
Being born and raised in a developing (third world) country, we don't worry about whether there's bug particles in food,a strawberry that has frog DNA, or a vaccine that contains insect dna.
When you have food and medicine in abundance that you're arguing details like this, perhaps some perspective is needed, just sayin'.
#firstworldproblems0 -
Not to mention GMOs are under patent laws, so now these plant varieties are under patents and have thus been "privatized", thus making monsanto a billion dollar herbicide company one of the first to own a species of plant and can defend that by law.
Which species do they own?
"We now believe that Monsanto has control over as much as 90 percent of (seed genetics). This level of control is almost unbelievable," said Neil Harl, agricultural economist at Iowa State University who has studied the seed industry for decades. "The upshot of that is that it's tightening Monsanto's control, and makes it possible for them to increase their prices long term. And we've seen this happening the last five years, and the end is not in sight."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/13/monsanto-squeezes-out-see_n_390354.html
http://www.seedsavers.org/
Name a species that Monsanto owns that you can't find in this catalog.
Who controls it owns it in every meaningful sense of the word. If Mr. Harl is correct, that is one behemoth of a monopoly and in a sane world would not be allowed to exist.0 -
It must suck being so scared of food.
I'm not scared of food I'm scared of billion dollar industries and their associated lobbyists
This.
Vague overgeneralized demonization of a tool that is foundational to medicine and research serves no one.
Okay so I'll be specific, Do you think monsanto SPECIFICALLY has any merit to society at all? Because I see it as a billion dollar company, whose lobbyists affect government regulations, allowing them to basically answer to no one?
Monsanto specifically is certainly not "foundational to medicine and research"
I think that the fact that farmers choose to buy and even attempt to pirate their seeds shows that there is a benefit to using the seeds.
Yep there is no doubt a benefit, it is a heIl of a lot easier to own hundreds of acres of corn or soy because you can spray herbicides all over the place without your plants dying, instead of specifically attacking the weeds.0 -
GMO vs NON GMO does not affect weight loss as far as I know.
But I have to say it drives me crazy when people say that GMOs are fine because there is no evidence to prove its bad for your health. When in reality there is no epidemiological, long term studies at all. Therefore lack of evidence is just that - lack of evidence. So no one can say they are "good" or "bad"
The issue I have is that it is unnecessary. A significant portion of GMOs grown today are corn or soy. The genetic modification inserts a gene into the plant that prevents the plant from being killed by herbicides (most often Round-up, made by Monsanto). Herbicides are only necessary because of the extensive mono-cropping and using HUGE acres of land for one species. This makes it susceptible to weed over growth. So before GMOs farmers were still using round up they were simply being careful to only spray it on actual weeds. SO now they can spray the *kitten* out of everything in sight - now not only do we have GMOs but also larger amounts of herbicides on our food.
GMOs are not necessary if your a small-mid sized farm and use a variety of crops and a variety of pest and weed control management - "integrated pest management" which is using pesticides and herbicides only if necessary.
Should we take the chance(small or large) of negative health affects simply for convenience? To me it is a no...
Having said all that the entire food system is broken and it's too much time, effort and money to stay away from these things indefinitely. So I don't necessarily avoid GMOs like the plague. I just try to generally eat well.
Yet life expectancy is longer than it's ever been. Yeah, ok.
haha. Are you suggesting that GMOs have increased life span? Because I would say its probably our medical, technological and sanitation advancements....
YES. A MILLION TIMES YES. GMOs have increased our average lifespans tremendously and if you are ignorant of that clear fact then I question whether or not you know what we rely heavily on GMOs to produce.
Only because your definition encompasses natural breeding techniques. Sneaky!
As Aaron pointed out, genetically modified organisms are used in medical research and treatments.
Ah, okay. Willing to compromise then. Don't label medicine. Do label food. Problem solved.
I would be more concerned with transparency involving medicine than I am with food that has been shown not to have a difference at the level of consumption.
It is true I'm going to have an interesting time scrutinizing vitamin labels when I finish using up this cheap crap I bought.0 -
GMO vs NON GMO does not affect weight loss as far as I know.
But I have to say it drives me crazy when people say that GMOs are fine because there is no evidence to prove its bad for your health. When in reality there is no epidemiological, long term studies at all. Therefore lack of evidence is just that - lack of evidence. So no one can say they are "good" or "bad"
The issue I have is that it is unnecessary. A significant portion of GMOs grown today are corn or soy. The genetic modification inserts a gene into the plant that prevents the plant from being killed by herbicides (most often Round-up, made by Monsanto). Herbicides are only necessary because of the extensive mono-cropping and using HUGE acres of land for one species. This makes it susceptible to weed over growth. So before GMOs farmers were still using round up they were simply being careful to only spray it on actual weeds. SO now they can spray the *kitten* out of everything in sight - now not only do we have GMOs but also larger amounts of herbicides on our food.
GMOs are not necessary if your a small-mid sized farm and use a variety of crops and a variety of pest and weed control management - "integrated pest management" which is using pesticides and herbicides only if necessary.
Should we take the chance(small or large) of negative health affects simply for convenience? To me it is a no...
Having said all that the entire food system is broken and it's too much time, effort and money to stay away from these things indefinitely. So I don't necessarily avoid GMOs like the plague. I just try to generally eat well.
Yet life expectancy is longer than it's ever been. Yeah, ok.
haha. Are you suggesting that GMOs have increased life span? Because I would say its probably our medical, technological and sanitation advancements....
YES. A MILLION TIMES YES. GMOs have increased our average lifespans tremendously and if you are ignorant of that clear fact then I question whether or not you know what we rely heavily on GMOs to produce.
Only because your definition encompasses natural breeding techniques. Sneaky!
No not at all. Vaccine production became affordable enough for tch transfers to developing nations because of fully GMO based production. Same with insulin as well as the vast majority of point of care diagnostics. We lost stem cell research due to a knee jerk public reaction and you better believe im not going to let that happen to GMOs without a fight.
And yet I am not a lobbyist, go figure.0 -
GMO vs NON GMO does not affect weight loss as far as I know.
But I have to say it drives me crazy when people say that GMOs are fine because there is no evidence to prove its bad for your health. When in reality there is no epidemiological, long term studies at all. Therefore lack of evidence is just that - lack of evidence. So no one can say they are "good" or "bad"
The issue I have is that it is unnecessary. A significant portion of GMOs grown today are corn or soy. The genetic modification inserts a gene into the plant that prevents the plant from being killed by herbicides (most often Round-up, made by Monsanto). Herbicides are only necessary because of the extensive mono-cropping and using HUGE acres of land for one species. This makes it susceptible to weed over growth. So before GMOs farmers were still using round up they were simply being careful to only spray it on actual weeds. SO now they can spray the *kitten* out of everything in sight - now not only do we have GMOs but also larger amounts of herbicides on our food.
GMOs are not necessary if your a small-mid sized farm and use a variety of crops and a variety of pest and weed control management - "integrated pest management" which is using pesticides and herbicides only if necessary.
Should we take the chance(small or large) of negative health affects simply for convenience? To me it is a no...
Having said all that the entire food system is broken and it's too much time, effort and money to stay away from these things indefinitely. So I don't necessarily avoid GMOs like the plague. I just try to generally eat well.
Yet life expectancy is longer than it's ever been. Yeah, ok.
haha. Are you suggesting that GMOs have increased life span? Because I would say its probably our medical, technological and sanitation advancements....
YES. A MILLION TIMES YES. GMOs have increased our average lifespans tremendously and if you are ignorant of that clear fact then I question whether or not you know what we rely heavily on GMOs to produce.
Only because your definition encompasses natural breeding techniques. Sneaky!
No not at all. Vaccine production became affordable enough for tch transfers to developing nations because of fully GMO based production. Same with insulin as well as the vast majority of point of care diagnostics. We lost stem cell research due to a knee jerk public reaction and you better believe im not going to let that happen to GMOs without a fight.
And yet I am not a lobbyist, go figure.
That's fine. As I said in another post, I don't see how it will affect important medicine. The vast majority of people will take the medicine they need. So many do, even when side effects are potentially horrific.
Stem cell research opposition had nothing to do with safety and everything to do with pandering to the religious.0 -
GMO means genetically modified organism. It has nothing to do with processing. You can buy 600 calorie Non-GMO Muffins just as easily as a GMO one. It's possible that a change in the genetic make up of the food could cause a metabolism to slow or trigger a hormonal response but thus far no such thing has been found.0
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GMO vs NON GMO does not affect weight loss as far as I know.
But I have to say it drives me crazy when people say that GMOs are fine because there is no evidence to prove its bad for your health. When in reality there is no epidemiological, long term studies at all. Therefore lack of evidence is just that - lack of evidence. So no one can say they are "good" or "bad"
The issue I have is that it is unnecessary. A significant portion of GMOs grown today are corn or soy. The genetic modification inserts a gene into the plant that prevents the plant from being killed by herbicides (most often Round-up, made by Monsanto). Herbicides are only necessary because of the extensive mono-cropping and using HUGE acres of land for one species. This makes it susceptible to weed over growth. So before GMOs farmers were still using round up they were simply being careful to only spray it on actual weeds. SO now they can spray the *kitten* out of everything in sight - now not only do we have GMOs but also larger amounts of herbicides on our food.
GMOs are not necessary if your a small-mid sized farm and use a variety of crops and a variety of pest and weed control management - "integrated pest management" which is using pesticides and herbicides only if necessary.
Should we take the chance(small or large) of negative health affects simply for convenience? To me it is a no...
Having said all that the entire food system is broken and it's too much time, effort and money to stay away from these things indefinitely. So I don't necessarily avoid GMOs like the plague. I just try to generally eat well.
Yet life expectancy is longer than it's ever been. Yeah, ok.
haha. Are you suggesting that GMOs have increased life span? Because I would say its probably our medical, technological and sanitation advancements....
YES. A MILLION TIMES YES. GMOs have increased our average lifespans tremendously and if you are ignorant of that clear fact then I question whether or not you know what we rely heavily on GMOs to produce.
Only because your definition encompasses natural breeding techniques. Sneaky!
No not at all. Vaccine production became affordable enough for tch transfers to developing nations because of fully GMO based production. Same with insulin as well as the vast majority of point of care diagnostics. We lost stem cell research due to a knee jerk public reaction and you better believe im not going to let that happen to GMOs without a fight.
And yet I am not a lobbyist, go figure.
That's fine. As I said in another post, I don't see how it will affect important medicine. The vast majority of people will take the medicine they need. So many do, even when side effects are potentially horrific.
Stem cell research opposition had nothing to do with safety and everything to do with pandering to the religious.
http://www.monsanto.com/products/pages/vegetable-seeds.aspx
Monsanto produces 2000 seed varieties sold in 160 countries.
98% of R&D goes into BREEDING seeds in 18 crop families.
They sell two "biotech" crops: corn and soybeans.
There are 0 new biotech crops in development.0 -
GMO vs NON GMO does not affect weight loss as far as I know.
But I have to say it drives me crazy when people say that GMOs are fine because there is no evidence to prove its bad for your health. When in reality there is no epidemiological, long term studies at all. Therefore lack of evidence is just that - lack of evidence. So no one can say they are "good" or "bad"
The issue I have is that it is unnecessary. A significant portion of GMOs grown today are corn or soy. The genetic modification inserts a gene into the plant that prevents the plant from being killed by herbicides (most often Round-up, made by Monsanto). Herbicides are only necessary because of the extensive mono-cropping and using HUGE acres of land for one species. This makes it susceptible to weed over growth. So before GMOs farmers were still using round up they were simply being careful to only spray it on actual weeds. SO now they can spray the *kitten* out of everything in sight - now not only do we have GMOs but also larger amounts of herbicides on our food.
GMOs are not necessary if your a small-mid sized farm and use a variety of crops and a variety of pest and weed control management - "integrated pest management" which is using pesticides and herbicides only if necessary.
Should we take the chance(small or large) of negative health affects simply for convenience? To me it is a no...
Having said all that the entire food system is broken and it's too much time, effort and money to stay away from these things indefinitely. So I don't necessarily avoid GMOs like the plague. I just try to generally eat well.
Yet life expectancy is longer than it's ever been. Yeah, ok.
haha. Are you suggesting that GMOs have increased life span? Because I would say its probably our medical, technological and sanitation advancements....
YES. A MILLION TIMES YES. GMOs have increased our average lifespans tremendously and if you are ignorant of that clear fact then I question whether or not you know what we rely heavily on GMOs to produce.
Only because your definition encompasses natural breeding techniques. Sneaky!
No not at all. Vaccine production became affordable enough for tch transfers to developing nations because of fully GMO based production. Same with insulin as well as the vast majority of point of care diagnostics. We lost stem cell research due to a knee jerk public reaction and you better believe im not going to let that happen to GMOs without a fight.
And yet I am not a lobbyist, go figure.
I wouldn't disagree with you on this. I would consider myself "pro-stem cell research", "pro-vaccincation" and even "pro-golden rice" etc. Because these are relevant and useful tools to all of society. If GMOs were used to create food for developing nations - awesome I'm all for it. Instead it is being used in the north american food industry, hamburgers, increased shelf life etc - all which could exist without GM foods.
My problem is that these crops were created and grown for profit - humans see absolutely no benefit from GMO's in their food production. Studies have shown that GMOs do not directly improve yield, despite what you may think. Monsanto specifically is in this for money. Genetic modification is a useful tool - no doubt about it. But I think there should be strict regulation, and should not be taken lightly.
ETA- You seem to think I'm anti-science or something. I have gone to college and university for biotechnology and nutrition, I am a science nerd. Quit thinking that just because I prefer not to have a multinational company dictate my health, means that I'm some anti-medicine anti research nut job.0
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