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Genetic engineering has been happening for as long as humans have been around. Why is it only suddenly an issue? Should we be frightened of all the "unnatural" breeds of dogs that humans have created? What about cats? Should we be scared of every crop we eat today that only exists because of selective breeding over thousands of years?
Cross breeding and genetic engineering are the not the same thing. Cross breeding has been practiced for centuries, GE is fairly new.
Bacteria have been sharing plasmids forever. Just how do you think that SOME e.coli become toxic?
Not sure what your point is.
Bacteria ball up little pieces of DNA and share it across species lines (plasmids). Viruses can do similar things as well in animal DNA (Diabetes is actually an endogenous retrovirus - a piece of DNA from outside our genome that inserted itself into our reproductive cells).
Scientists learned how to do genetic modification by studying these natural processes.0 -
If you are going to list the ingredients in a recipe, you should list the amounts of each. How am I supposed to make my own apple from this?
LOL I should also list the macros, shouldn't I?0 -
Genetic engineering has been happening for as long as humans have been around. Why is it only suddenly an issue? Should we be frightened of all the "unnatural" breeds of dogs that humans have created? What about cats? Should we be scared of every crop we eat today that only exists because of selective breeding over thousands of years?
Cross breeding and genetic engineering are the not the same thing. Cross breeding has been practiced for centuries, GE is fairly new.
Bacteria have been sharing plasmids forever. Just how do you think that SOME e.coli become toxic?
Not sure what your point is.
Bacteria ball up little pieces of DNA and share it across species lines (plasmids). Viruses can do similar things as well in animal DNA (Diabetes is actually an endogenous retrovirus - a piece of DNA from outside our genome that inserted itself into our reproductive cells).
Scientists learned how to do genetic modification by studying these natural processes.
Um, okay?0 -
Genetic engineering has been happening for as long as humans have been around. Why is it only suddenly an issue? Should we be frightened of all the "unnatural" breeds of dogs that humans have created? What about cats? Should we be scared of every crop we eat today that only exists because of selective breeding over thousands of years?
Cross breeding and genetic engineering are the not the same thing. Cross breeding has been practiced for centuries, GE is fairly new.
But what if the resulting modification to the genome of the organism is chemically identical from both processes...? Just a thought experiment: would one be evil and the other natural? If the resultant genetic changes are identical, mind you.
Would one be evil?? What are you writing a cheesy horror flick or something?
"natural" has nothing to do with how evil or good or identical something is.
Well, I am affecting the mock-horror overtones of the debate.
Clearly, I am personally neutral with regard to these processes. It is the resulting chemical structure of the genome that is key, rather than the process that produced it.0 -
Genetic engineering has been happening for as long as humans have been around. Why is it only suddenly an issue? Should we be frightened of all the "unnatural" breeds of dogs that humans have created? What about cats? Should we be scared of every crop we eat today that only exists because of selective breeding over thousands of years?
Cross breeding and genetic engineering are the not the same thing. Cross breeding has been practiced for centuries, GE is fairly new.
But what if the resulting modification to the genome of the organism is chemically identical from both processes...? Just a thought experiment: would one be evil and the other natural? If the resultant genetic changes are identical, mind you.
Would one be evil?? What are you writing a cheesy horror flick or something?
"natural" has nothing to do with how evil or good or identical something is.
Well, I am affecting the mock-horror overtones of the debate.
Clearly, I am personally neutral with regard to these processes. It is the resulting chemical structure of the genome that is key, rather than the process that produced it.
Only if the the resulting chemical structure and its effects on human health are fully understood and those who understand it are fully transparent with the rest of us.0 -
Genetic engineering has been happening for as long as humans have been around. Why is it only suddenly an issue? Should we be frightened of all the "unnatural" breeds of dogs that humans have created? What about cats? Should we be scared of every crop we eat today that only exists because of selective breeding over thousands of years?
Cross breeding and genetic engineering are the not the same thing. Cross breeding has been practiced for centuries, GE is fairly new.
But what if the resulting modification to the genome of the organism is chemically identical from both processes...? Just a thought experiment: would one be evil and the other natural? If the resultant genetic changes are identical, mind you.
Would one be evil?? What are you writing a cheesy horror flick or something?
"natural" has nothing to do with how evil or good or identical something is.
Well, I am affecting the mock-horror overtones of the debate.
Clearly, I am personally neutral with regard to these processes. It is the resulting chemical structure of the genome that is key, rather than the process that produced it.
Only if the the resulting chemical structure and its effects on human health are fully understood and those who understand it are fully transparent with the rest of us.
What if they have said that it is identical in structure and effect (which they have)?0 -
At some point in time, the general populace will learn that a calorie is simply a unit of energy. When ingested, the body uses this energy as fuel. When to much of it is ingested, the body will store the excess.0
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Genetic engineering has been happening for as long as humans have been around. Why is it only suddenly an issue? Should we be frightened of all the "unnatural" breeds of dogs that humans have created? What about cats? Should we be scared of every crop we eat today that only exists because of selective breeding over thousands of years?
Cross breeding and genetic engineering are the not the same thing. Cross breeding has been practiced for centuries, GE is fairly new.
But what if the resulting modification to the genome of the organism is chemically identical from both processes...? Just a thought experiment: would one be evil and the other natural? If the resultant genetic changes are identical, mind you.
Would one be evil?? What are you writing a cheesy horror flick or something?
"natural" has nothing to do with how evil or good or identical something is.
Well, I am affecting the mock-horror overtones of the debate.
Clearly, I am personally neutral with regard to these processes. It is the resulting chemical structure of the genome that is key, rather than the process that produced it.
Only if the the resulting chemical structure and its effects on human health are fully understood and those who understand it are fully transparent with the rest of us.
that's the nature of the thought experiment.
Two identical chemicals.
Produced by two different processes.
It's an intuition pump to see where the objection to the GM lies.0 -
Genetic engineering has been happening for as long as humans have been around. Why is it only suddenly an issue? Should we be frightened of all the "unnatural" breeds of dogs that humans have created? What about cats? Should we be scared of every crop we eat today that only exists because of selective breeding over thousands of years?
Cross breeding and genetic engineering are the not the same thing. Cross breeding has been practiced for centuries, GE is fairly new.
Bacteria have been sharing plasmids forever. Just how do you think that SOME e.coli become toxic?
Not sure what your point is.
Bacteria ball up little pieces of DNA and share it across species lines (plasmids). Viruses can do similar things as well in animal DNA (Diabetes is actually an endogenous retrovirus - a piece of DNA from outside our genome that inserted itself into our reproductive cells).
Scientists learned how to do genetic modification by studying these natural processes.
Um, okay?
The processes behind Genetic Engineering are millennia old. It is not new at all. It is no newer than sexual reproduction. The only difference is that we've learned how to harness and direct it.
The parallel between breeding and genetic engineering is exact.0 -
Genetic engineering has been happening for as long as humans have been around. Why is it only suddenly an issue? Should we be frightened of all the "unnatural" breeds of dogs that humans have created? What about cats? Should we be scared of every crop we eat today that only exists because of selective breeding over thousands of years?
Cross breeding and genetic engineering are the not the same thing. Cross breeding has been practiced for centuries, GE is fairly new.
But what if the resulting modification to the genome of the organism is chemically identical from both processes...? Just a thought experiment: would one be evil and the other natural? If the resultant genetic changes are identical, mind you.
Would one be evil?? What are you writing a cheesy horror flick or something?
"natural" has nothing to do with how evil or good or identical something is.
Well, I am affecting the mock-horror overtones of the debate.
Clearly, I am personally neutral with regard to these processes. It is the resulting chemical structure of the genome that is key, rather than the process that produced it.
Only if the the resulting chemical structure and its effects on human health are fully understood and those who understand it are fully transparent with the rest of us.
What if they have said that it is identical in structure and effect (which they have)?
I think it would greatly depend on who "they" are. Is it the same "they" that told us BPA in plastic was safe?0 -
At some point in time, the general populace will learn that a calorie is simply a unit of energy. When ingested, the body uses this energy as fuel. When to much of it is ingested, the body will store the excess.
This is only true if my MFP wormhole theory is disproven.0 -
Genetic engineering has been happening for as long as humans have been around. Why is it only suddenly an issue? Should we be frightened of all the "unnatural" breeds of dogs that humans have created? What about cats? Should we be scared of every crop we eat today that only exists because of selective breeding over thousands of years?
Cross breeding and genetic engineering are the not the same thing. Cross breeding has been practiced for centuries, GE is fairly new.
Bacteria have been sharing plasmids forever. Just how do you think that SOME e.coli become toxic?
Not sure what your point is.
Bacteria ball up little pieces of DNA and share it across species lines (plasmids). Viruses can do similar things as well in animal DNA (Diabetes is actually an endogenous retrovirus - a piece of DNA from outside our genome that inserted itself into our reproductive cells).
Scientists learned how to do genetic modification by studying these natural processes.
Um, okay?
The processes behind Genetic Engineering are millennia old. It is not new at all. It is no newer than sexual reproduction. The only difference is that we've learned how to harness and direct it.
The parallel between breeding and genetic engineering is exact.
Relatively new to humans. Geez, did that really need specified?0 -
At some point in time, the general populace will learn that a calorie is simply a unit of energy. When ingested, the body uses this energy as fuel. When to much of it is ingested, the body will store the excess.
I think you're giving too much credence to the "general populace"...0 -
Genetic engineering has been happening for as long as humans have been around. Why is it only suddenly an issue? Should we be frightened of all the "unnatural" breeds of dogs that humans have created? What about cats? Should we be scared of every crop we eat today that only exists because of selective breeding over thousands of years?
Cross breeding and genetic engineering are the not the same thing. Cross breeding has been practiced for centuries, GE is fairly new.
Bacteria have been sharing plasmids forever. Just how do you think that SOME e.coli become toxic?
Not sure what your point is.
Bacteria ball up little pieces of DNA and share it across species lines (plasmids). Viruses can do similar things as well in animal DNA (Diabetes is actually an endogenous retrovirus - a piece of DNA from outside our genome that inserted itself into our reproductive cells).
Scientists learned how to do genetic modification by studying these natural processes.
Um, okay?
The processes behind Genetic Engineering are millennia old. It is not new at all. It is no newer than sexual reproduction. The only difference is that we've learned how to harness and direct it.
The parallel between breeding and genetic engineering is exact.
Relatively new to humans. Geez, did that really need specified?
Breeding programs based on DNA sequencing are relatively new to humans as well. Perhaps we should label the products of those?0 -
Genetic engineering has been happening for as long as humans have been around. Why is it only suddenly an issue? Should we be frightened of all the "unnatural" breeds of dogs that humans have created? What about cats? Should we be scared of every crop we eat today that only exists because of selective breeding over thousands of years?
Cross breeding and genetic engineering are the not the same thing. Cross breeding has been practiced for centuries, GE is fairly new.
But what if the resulting modification to the genome of the organism is chemically identical from both processes...? Just a thought experiment: would one be evil and the other natural? If the resultant genetic changes are identical, mind you.
Would one be evil?? What are you writing a cheesy horror flick or something?
"natural" has nothing to do with how evil or good or identical something is.
Well, I am affecting the mock-horror overtones of the debate.
Clearly, I am personally neutral with regard to these processes. It is the resulting chemical structure of the genome that is key, rather than the process that produced it.
Only if the the resulting chemical structure and its effects on human health are fully understood and those who understand it are fully transparent with the rest of us.
that's the nature of the thought experiment.
Two identical chemicals.
Produced by two different processes.
It's an intuition pump to see where the objection to the GM lies.
If the end product were identical to the original then, in the case of vegetables, they both would be resistant to Roundup, no?0 -
Genetic engineering has been happening for as long as humans have been around. Why is it only suddenly an issue? Should we be frightened of all the "unnatural" breeds of dogs that humans have created? What about cats? Should we be scared of every crop we eat today that only exists because of selective breeding over thousands of years?
Cross breeding and genetic engineering are the not the same thing. Cross breeding has been practiced for centuries, GE is fairly new.
But what if the resulting modification to the genome of the organism is chemically identical from both processes...? Just a thought experiment: would one be evil and the other natural? If the resultant genetic changes are identical, mind you.
Would one be evil?? What are you writing a cheesy horror flick or something?
"natural" has nothing to do with how evil or good or identical something is.
Well, I am affecting the mock-horror overtones of the debate.
Clearly, I am personally neutral with regard to these processes. It is the resulting chemical structure of the genome that is key, rather than the process that produced it.
Only if the the resulting chemical structure and its effects on human health are fully understood and those who understand it are fully transparent with the rest of us.
What if they have said that it is identical in structure and effect (which they have)?
I think it would greatly depend on who "they" are. Is it the same "they" that told us BPA in plastic was safe?
Also the same "they" that questioned the BPA in plastic.0 -
Genetic engineering has been happening for as long as humans have been around. Why is it only suddenly an issue? Should we be frightened of all the "unnatural" breeds of dogs that humans have created? What about cats? Should we be scared of every crop we eat today that only exists because of selective breeding over thousands of years?
Cross breeding and genetic engineering are the not the same thing. Cross breeding has been practiced for centuries, GE is fairly new.
Bacteria have been sharing plasmids forever. Just how do you think that SOME e.coli become toxic?
Not sure what your point is.
Bacteria ball up little pieces of DNA and share it across species lines (plasmids). Viruses can do similar things as well in animal DNA (Diabetes is actually an endogenous retrovirus - a piece of DNA from outside our genome that inserted itself into our reproductive cells).
Scientists learned how to do genetic modification by studying these natural processes.
Um, okay?
The processes behind Genetic Engineering are millennia old. It is not new at all. It is no newer than sexual reproduction. The only difference is that we've learned how to harness and direct it.
The parallel between breeding and genetic engineering is exact.
Relatively new to humans. Geez, did that really need specified?
Breeding programs based on DNA sequencing are relatively new to humans as well. Perhaps we should label the products of those?
Sure, why not?0 -
Genetic engineering has been happening for as long as humans have been around. Why is it only suddenly an issue? Should we be frightened of all the "unnatural" breeds of dogs that humans have created? What about cats? Should we be scared of every crop we eat today that only exists because of selective breeding over thousands of years?
Cross breeding and genetic engineering are the not the same thing. Cross breeding has been practiced for centuries, GE is fairly new.
But what if the resulting modification to the genome of the organism is chemically identical from both processes...? Just a thought experiment: would one be evil and the other natural? If the resultant genetic changes are identical, mind you.
Would one be evil?? What are you writing a cheesy horror flick or something?
"natural" has nothing to do with how evil or good or identical something is.
Well, I am affecting the mock-horror overtones of the debate.
Clearly, I am personally neutral with regard to these processes. It is the resulting chemical structure of the genome that is key, rather than the process that produced it.
Only if the the resulting chemical structure and its effects on human health are fully understood and those who understand it are fully transparent with the rest of us.
that's the nature of the thought experiment.
Two identical chemicals.
Produced by two different processes.
It's an intuition pump to see where the objection to the GM lies.
If the end product were identical to the original then, in the case of vegetables, they both would be resistant to Roundup, no?
In order to genetically engineer round-up resistant plants, the sequence had to exist somewhere first.0 -
Genetic engineering has been happening for as long as humans have been around. Why is it only suddenly an issue? Should we be frightened of all the "unnatural" breeds of dogs that humans have created? What about cats? Should we be scared of every crop we eat today that only exists because of selective breeding over thousands of years?
Cross breeding and genetic engineering are the not the same thing. Cross breeding has been practiced for centuries, GE is fairly new.
But what if the resulting modification to the genome of the organism is chemically identical from both processes...? Just a thought experiment: would one be evil and the other natural? If the resultant genetic changes are identical, mind you.
Would one be evil?? What are you writing a cheesy horror flick or something?
"natural" has nothing to do with how evil or good or identical something is.
Well, I am affecting the mock-horror overtones of the debate.
Clearly, I am personally neutral with regard to these processes. It is the resulting chemical structure of the genome that is key, rather than the process that produced it.
Only if the the resulting chemical structure and its effects on human health are fully understood and those who understand it are fully transparent with the rest of us.
that's the nature of the thought experiment.
Two identical chemicals.
Produced by two different processes.
It's an intuition pump to see where the objection to the GM lies.
If the end product were identical to the original then, in the case of vegetables, they both would be resistant to Roundup, no?
If I selectively breed for that quality in one process and then selectively engineered for it in the other.
Which part of identical are you having a problem with? Both resultant organisms would be genetically identical to each other, not the organism they were bred/engineered from....0 -
Genetic engineering has been happening for as long as humans have been around. Why is it only suddenly an issue? Should we be frightened of all the "unnatural" breeds of dogs that humans have created? What about cats? Should we be scared of every crop we eat today that only exists because of selective breeding over thousands of years?
Cross breeding and genetic engineering are the not the same thing. Cross breeding has been practiced for centuries, GE is fairly new.
But what if the resulting modification to the genome of the organism is chemically identical from both processes...? Just a thought experiment: would one be evil and the other natural? If the resultant genetic changes are identical, mind you.
Would one be evil?? What are you writing a cheesy horror flick or something?
"natural" has nothing to do with how evil or good or identical something is.
Well, I am affecting the mock-horror overtones of the debate.
Clearly, I am personally neutral with regard to these processes. It is the resulting chemical structure of the genome that is key, rather than the process that produced it.
Only if the the resulting chemical structure and its effects on human health are fully understood and those who understand it are fully transparent with the rest of us.
What if they have said that it is identical in structure and effect (which they have)?
I think it would greatly depend on who "they" are. Is it the same "they" that told us BPA in plastic was safe?
Also the same "they" that questioned the BPA in plastic.
Eventually. Isn't THAT the worry? Approval without enough testing to really know dangers.0
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