Eating too much fat?
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On a college level? Where did you teach? I understand if you don't want to say. But if you do, cool.
Glucose is a sugar.
Go to a library. Pick up a book on Physiology. Read.
Why don't you share your extensive knowledge of physiology with me.The person who said your brain needs fat was wrong. The brain uses sugar. That's all it can use. Sugar is what fuels the brain.
This is so wrong it's almost funny.
Go ahead and use the big words. I'll try to keep up.
I am more interested in your evidence that the brain only uses sugar.
You'll learn all you want to know about how the brain uses glucose and how when the body runs out - like if you were starving - it will send messages out to the rest of the body and things will start being converted. The liver and gluconeogensis are particularly fascinating. To me, anyway.
If you're looking for Internet stuff, you'll need to do it on your own. Google.
Listen. I realize you mean glucose, but calling it "sugar" isn't exactly helpful. If you find one single scholarly source that says "sugar" my bad.
If you just want to fight on the Internet, I'll concede that you're always right and much smarter than me and we need never get into it again. I have no interest in that silliness.
If you genuinely have an interest in these things - and why everyone doesn't, I don't know because it's fascinating! - the library has textbooks available to read for free! You don't even have to pay for a class and $500 for the textbook set. I hear they're going for about $500 now, I don't know.
Glucose is ONE TYPE of sugar. There's also sucrose, lactose and a whole bunch of other OSE's that the brain DOES NOT use, so it's perfectly fair to point out that your statement lacked precision in a similar way to the statement of the brains' using fat, no the organ itself does not use fatty acids as a direct fuel source, but given that lipids are readily converted by the body into usable fuel, it is in fact *using* fat as a fuel.
Thanks, but I used to teach the class, I got all my textbooks for free that way.
Did you major in A&P?
Do I know you?
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Gluconeogenesis is real.0
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Most of us are not professional nutritionists or doctors but we can share our experiences and what has worked or not worked for us. Without entering into metabolic pathway and philosophical discussions on how our body reacts to food types, ratios and food combinations. Whether "low fat foods" are loaded with stabilisers, sweeteners (natural and artificial) etc....
Top level - having a higher fat % and lower sodium as you have in general principles described - this is fine and if you find supportive of your goals and you have increased energy and vibrancy for life - then keep doing what is working.
My general rule for a product is that if it looks like it was cooked up in a laboratory with numbers and names that look like another language then these are less natural and personally I would consider limiting these.0 -
I live in Florida. But, we both know that is not relevant. You have no intention of actually completing this discussion. You're just attempting to move the forum to a time and place where you expect no one to be there. Why? You have a forum here. Enlighten us. No more references to books or future times/places. You're so well versed in this subject area; you can easily summarize it in a clear and precise manner for everyone here.
Or you could admit you were laughably wrong. That works too.0 -
I don't think it's critical to get deep down into detailed stuff. You might. I don't. We discuss all kinds of things here with very Broad terms and that's cool. If you want to be uber-detailed in all your responses because you think it's critical, go for it.
Glucose is a sugar.
Go to a library. Pick up a book on Physiology. Read.
Why don't you share your extensive knowledge of physiology with me.The person who said your brain needs fat was wrong. The brain uses sugar. That's all it can use. Sugar is what fuels the brain.
This is so wrong it's almost funny.
Go ahead and use the big words. I'll try to keep up.
I am more interested in your evidence that the brain only uses sugar.
You'll learn all you want to know about how the brain uses glucose and how when the body runs out - like if you were starving - it will send messages out to the rest of the body and things will start being converted. The liver and gluconeogensis are particularly fascinating. To me, anyway.
If you're looking for Internet stuff, you'll need to do it on your own. Google.
Listen. I realize you mean glucose, but calling it "sugar" isn't exactly helpful. If you find one single scholarly source that says "sugar" my bad.
If you just want to fight on the Internet, I'll concede that you're always right and much smarter than me and we need never get into it again. I have no interest in that silliness.
If you genuinely have an interest in these things - and why everyone doesn't, I don't know because it's fascinating! - the library has textbooks available to read for free! You don't even have to pay for a class and $500 for the textbook set. I hear they're going for about $500 now, I don't know.
Fight on the internet? No. I just hate to see people try to correct misinformation with really wobbly terminology that could easily confuse somebody without more education. If you are as well studied as you are trying to portray yourself, you know that glucose is a type of sugar that differs from other sugars in significant ways and those differences are critical when talking about the brain.
I do not say that I'm "well studied" or well-read. I have said this many times: The only people who consider me well-read are people who aren't. That's the truth. I've argued this endlessly with friends. The definition of "well-read" seems to vary as much as the definition of "clean eating."
I am not what I'd consider "well-read."0 -
No, I totally meant it. I said I did! And if you want to, I'd be delighted. Happy, happy. If you want to be human about it and not argue. You're not that far from me. If you really want to, we should do that in the fall. It's too hot out for me now. I'm hibernating. Plus, the chance of rain is 99% and 100% when I go out.I live in Florida. But, we both know that is not relevant. You have no intention of actually completing this discussion. You're just attempting to move the forum to a time and place where you expect no one to be there. Why? You have a forum here. Enlighten us. No more references to books or future times/places. You're so well versed in this subject area; you can easily summarize it in a clear and precise manner for everyone here.
Or you could admit you were laughably wrong. That works too.
But I'm not debating. I'm sorry I pointed out to that person that another poster was wrong about the brain needing fat. Didn't realize people would be so upset.
I'm sorry you didn't like the term "sugar" instead of the more specific "glucose" or even more specific things.
I was actually trying to be a little helpful, not get everyone into a fury.0 -
Go to a library. Pick up a book on Physiology. Read.
Why don't you share your extensive knowledge of physiology with me.The person who said your brain needs fat was wrong. The brain uses sugar. That's all it can use. Sugar is what fuels the brain.
This is so wrong it's almost funny.
Go ahead and use the big words. I'll try to keep up.
I am more interested in your evidence that the brain only uses sugar.
You'll learn all you want to know about how the brain uses glucose and how when the body runs out - like if you were starving - it will send messages out to the rest of the body and things will start being converted. The liver and gluconeogensis are particularly fascinating. To me, anyway.
If you're looking for Internet stuff, you'll need to do it on your own. Google.
You need to step back and stop this garbage. Glucose is one of the fuels to the brain. Preferred fuel for brain is Beta hydroxy butarate.0 -
OP fat can be too much if it comes with high carbs and high fat. I eat 80% of my cals from fat every day but I keep the carbs low. You need to decide what macros fits for you.0
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So, you're standing by your statement about the brain not needing fat? That was the part that was indefensible. The sugar/glucose thing you could have tried to explain away (not logically, considering this whole thread is about what the OP is eating, but you could have pretended you weren't speaking about food). The brain absolutely requires fat. Further, there are fats that can't be adequately manufactured by the body and must be eaten. No matter how you slice it, your statement was laughably wrong.
Edit: Here is a link supporting my claims. Since, you know, I am not laughably wrong.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/20329590/0 -
I don't think it's critical to get deep down into detailed stuff. You might. I don't. We discuss all kinds of things here with very Broad terms and that's cool. If you want to be uber-detailed in all your responses because you think it's critical, go for it.
Glucose is a sugar.
Go to a library. Pick up a book on Physiology. Read.
Why don't you share your extensive knowledge of physiology with me.The person who said your brain needs fat was wrong. The brain uses sugar. That's all it can use. Sugar is what fuels the brain.
This is so wrong it's almost funny.
Go ahead and use the big words. I'll try to keep up.
I am more interested in your evidence that the brain only uses sugar.
You'll learn all you want to know about how the brain uses glucose and how when the body runs out - like if you were starving - it will send messages out to the rest of the body and things will start being converted. The liver and gluconeogensis are particularly fascinating. To me, anyway.
If you're looking for Internet stuff, you'll need to do it on your own. Google.
Listen. I realize you mean glucose, but calling it "sugar" isn't exactly helpful. If you find one single scholarly source that says "sugar" my bad.
If you just want to fight on the Internet, I'll concede that you're always right and much smarter than me and we need never get into it again. I have no interest in that silliness.
If you genuinely have an interest in these things - and why everyone doesn't, I don't know because it's fascinating! - the library has textbooks available to read for free! You don't even have to pay for a class and $500 for the textbook set. I hear they're going for about $500 now, I don't know.
Fight on the internet? No. I just hate to see people try to correct misinformation with really wobbly terminology that could easily confuse somebody without more education. If you are as well studied as you are trying to portray yourself, you know that glucose is a type of sugar that differs from other sugars in significant ways and those differences are critical when talking about the brain.
I do not say that I'm "well studied" or well-read. I have said this many times: The only people who consider me well-read are people who aren't. That's the truth. I've argued this endlessly with friends. The definition of "well-read" seems to vary as much as the definition of "clean eating."
I am not what I'd consider "well-read."
I said you try to portray yourself as such, not that I thought you were.
Details. Pesky details.
OP, I think You've gotten some good feedback. Many people find that MFP sets their protein/fat too low and their carbs really high. You can alter the ratios, just do what works best for you.0 -
OP--having fat and protein minimums met is a good thing. If you are low in any MACRO carbs would be the one to be low. If your goal is steady weight loss you are doing fine. The fact that you aren't trying to consume 1200 calories is a great indicator that you aren't being too aggressive with your weight loss. Carry on. Best of Luck.0
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Thank you!
This is helpful.0 -
Thank you!
This is helpful.
I'm glad you found it helpful, sometimes when threads get a bit derailed like this I'm sure it gets frustrating for someone who just wanted a simple question answered! :laugh:0 -
Thank you!
This is helpful.
OP, addressing your initial question - don't worry too much about going over a bit on protein or fat...
Suggested reading:
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/819925-the-basics-don-t-complicate-it0 -
Thank you!
This is helpful.
I'm glad you found it helpful, sometimes when threads get a bit derailed like this I'm sure it gets frustrating for someone who just wanted a simple question answered! :laugh:
Just a little bit! Ha!
Not a problem though. I find that people are very... opinionated... when it comes to food and diets. Its similar to religion or politics! :laugh:0 -
Go to a library. Pick up a book on Physiology. Read.
Why don't you share your extensive knowledge of physiology with me.The person who said your brain needs fat was wrong. The brain uses sugar. That's all it can use. Sugar is what fuels the brain.
This is so wrong it's almost funny.
Go ahead and use the big words. I'll try to keep up.
I am more interested in your evidence that the brain only uses sugar.
You'll learn all you want to know about how the brain uses glucose and how when the body runs out - like if you were starving - it will send messages out to the rest of the body and things will start being converted. The liver and gluconeogensis are particularly fascinating. To me, anyway.
If you're looking for Internet stuff, you'll need to do it on your own. Google.
Listen. I realize you mean glucose, but calling it "sugar" isn't exactly helpful. If you find one single scholarly source that says "sugar" my bad.
^This, believe it or not there are several people on this site who are *somewhat* familiar with physiology...
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Eating high fat won't prevent you from losing weight, but you need to be carefull what kind of fats you eat. Some are good for you , others not too much.0
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Gluconeogenesis is real.
What's your position on unicorns?0 -
Eating high fat won't prevent you from losing weight, but you need to be carefull what kind of fats you eat. Some are good for you , others not too much.
I'd love to know more about these inherently healthy and inherently unhealthy fats.
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I'm on a ketogenic diet of 60% fats, 35% proteins, and 5% carbs. It's been working out well for me.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1aiHSPoto_YqsNTDvL-g60nytMnyH-CJcCbiAx1IEUYM/edit - Keto in a nutshell.0 -
I'm on a ketogenic diet of 60% fats, 35% proteins, and 5% carbs. It's been working out well for me.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1aiHSPoto_YqsNTDvL-g60nytMnyH-CJcCbiAx1IEUYM/edit - Keto in a nutshell.
For how long has it beeing "working out well for" you? What do you mean by "working out well for me"? How do you compare it to other calorie-deficit approaches?0 -
The person who said your brain needs fat was wrong. The brain uses sugar. That's all it can use. Sugar is what fuels the brain.
This is so wrong it's almost funny.
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I'm on a ketogenic diet of 60% fats, 35% proteins, and 5% carbs. It's been working out well for me.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1aiHSPoto_YqsNTDvL-g60nytMnyH-CJcCbiAx1IEUYM/edit - Keto in a nutshell.
For how long has it beeing "working out well for" you? What do you mean by "working out well for me"? How do you compare it to other calorie-deficit approaches?
I've had a lower appetite. I have more energy. I'm still counting my calories and trying to stay under 1500. I've been sticking to the diet. Many, many people have had results from keto. It worked for our ancestors millions of years ago too. As long as I don't stop it, I'll be alright.0 -
You should see how much fat I eat in a day. Fats are good for you. Even better when you do low carb, like I am.0
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:huh:MFP is not a substitute for real, medical advice. You should go see your doctor and have him oversee your weight loss journey. You may also get a referral to a nutritionist.
You have to decide if you want to eat all healthy foods or if you just want to lose weight. Is your focus - your primary goal - to be thin or to be healthy? For most, it's to be thin. Know this before you go to the doctor (or nutritionist.) Be honest with them. Don't say you want to eat all healthy food if you don't, in fact, plan to do that.
You need a plan that works for you!
Everyone does it differently, but you need to do what works for you.
The person who said your brain needs fat was wrong. The brain uses sugar. That's all it can use. Sugar is what fuels the brain. (That is not an excuse to eat fudge, though.
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