The Age Old Debate: Organic or Conventional

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  • PikaKnight
    PikaKnight Posts: 34,971 Member
    I can't afford organic. And honestly, I probably wouldn't seek it out if I could, because when things are labeled non-GMO or organic it just makes me think the company is encouraging fear-mongering and manipulating the public.
    I buy produce at Walmart. Ain't nobody got time or money for organic produce (and by nobody I mean my husband and I. And even if we did have the time and money we'd spend it on other stuff. Like video games)
    I have absolutely no interest in supporting the organic movement, the shaky science on which most of the pro-organic arguments are made, or the outright scaremongering. I buy regular fruits and vegetables.


    ^All of this. So much all of the above.
  • BusyRaeNOTBusty
    BusyRaeNOTBusty Posts: 7,166 Member
    I do not feel this is truly the or even an "age old debate".
  • Serah87
    Serah87 Posts: 5,481 Member
    I can't afford organic. And honestly, I probably wouldn't seek it out if I could, because when things are labeled non-GMO or organic it just makes me think the company is encouraging fear-mongering and manipulating the public.
    I buy produce at Walmart. Ain't nobody got time or money for organic produce (and by nobody I mean my husband and I. And even if we did have the time and money we'd spend it on other stuff. Like video games)
    I have absolutely no interest in supporting the organic movement, the shaky science on which most of the pro-organic arguments are made, or the outright scaremongering. I buy regular fruits and vegetables.


    ^All of this. So much all of the above.

    Agree.
  • QueenBishOTUniverse
    QueenBishOTUniverse Posts: 14,121 Member
    I can't afford organic. And honestly, I probably wouldn't seek it out if I could, because when things are labeled non-GMO or organic it just makes me think the company is encouraging fear-mongering and manipulating the public.
    I buy produce at Walmart. Ain't nobody got time or money for organic produce (and by nobody I mean my husband and I. And even if we did have the time and money we'd spend it on other stuff. Like video games)
    I have absolutely no interest in supporting the organic movement, the shaky science on which most of the pro-organic arguments are made, or the outright scaremongering. I buy regular fruits and vegetables.


    ^All of this. So much all of the above.

    And all of this is why I wish I could strangle every single person that makes these ridiculous claims about organics and GMO's, seriously, damn hippies need to stay OFF my side.
  • JoRocka
    JoRocka Posts: 17,525 Member
    I do not feel this is truly the or even an "age old debate".

    god. I thought I was the only one.
  • jofjltncb6
    jofjltncb6 Posts: 34,415 Member
    In...

    ...for later.
  • MississippiMama87
    MississippiMama87 Posts: 204 Member
    Let me correct that by saying I have never put a drop of chemical on my land.

    You don't water your garden? Water's full of chemicals like hydrogen and oxygen. :happy:

    My (admittedly snarky) point, of course, is that EVERYTHING is made up of chemicals. Both the "man-made" stuff and the "mother nature" stuff. It's all chemistry either way, isn't it?

    For some reasons we tend to make a distinction that substances that come from nature or from the activities non-human animals are "good", but substances that come from the activities of human animals are "bad".

    Which seems odd to me. There are plenty of perfectly "natural" things that are terrible for you--even toxic. And there are plenty of 'human" things that are just fine--even life-saving.

    So yeah, I guess it's getting a bit too philosophical for the point of this thread, but... Humans are part of nature, so why aren't they things we make part of nature too? Why is a beaver dam, or a honeycomb, or an anthill considered "nature", but a Ford Mustang or a Apple iPad not? Aren't they all just the result of an animal using the abilities nature gave it to fashion new things out of its environment?

    Isn't it interesting that when we use our muscles and organs (the brain is an organ!) to transform some substances into a new substance, we call the result "artificial", but when a spider or a bee does the same thing to make a web or honey we call it "natural"?

    can we not just keep quoting this and call it a day??
  • PapaChanoli
    PapaChanoli Posts: 178 Member
    A friend sent me this: http://truththeory.com/2013/02/11/food-the-ultimate-secret-exposed-movie/

    I truly regret wasting my time on that video.
  • rossraskolnikov
    rossraskolnikov Posts: 29 Member
    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/jul/11/organic-food-more-antioxidants-study?CMP=fb_gu
  • DeguelloTex
    DeguelloTex Posts: 6,652 Member
    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/jul/11/organic-food-more-antioxidants-study?CMP=fb_gu
    From the article: "'The published literature lacks strong evidence that organic foods are significantly more nutritious than conventional foods,' [the 2012 study] found."
  • Luv2eatSweets
    Luv2eatSweets Posts: 221 Member
    I mentioned organic foods in a post and it stirred up all kinds of comments. So, I was wondering how the majority feels on the subject.
    My humble opinion: Eat organic whenever possible. Who needs the added junk they put on our foods to prolong shelf life and keep insects from eating our food. Insects are small, I think they'll leave some for us :wink:
    I agree that organic foods are not "better" for you in that the nutrients in vegetables don't change when you leave off the pesticides, herbicides. . .
    I have an advantage however; we grow a lot of our own food. We have a vegetable garden, herb garden, a pear tree, apple tree, plum tree, apricot tree, mulberry tree, raspberry bushes, blackberry bushes, blueberry bushes and 2 grape arbors. Over the years I've planted them for the very purpose of providing my family with good clean produce.
    Never has a chemical touched my land. I don't have a lot of land either. All of this is grown on less than an acre with enough open space to look like I have a gold course.
    I have a pony who also eats only organic as well as my chickens. Many of the herbs and small veggies (i.e. cherry tomatoes, hot peppers) grow on my porch.
    So yeah, I am a proponent of organic foods. If you can't grow them, afford them or find them than convention is the next best thing so don't go without your fruits and veggies.

    Can I come live with you?
  • Carnivor0us
    Carnivor0us Posts: 1,752 Member
    "Organic" doesn't mean much to me because of what the USDA requirements are for 'Organic'. I prefer pastured or grassfed products when I can afford them.
  • TAsunder
    TAsunder Posts: 423 Member
    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/jul/11/organic-food-more-antioxidants-study?CMP=fb_gu
    From the article: "'The published literature lacks strong evidence that organic foods are significantly more nutritious than conventional foods,' [the 2012 study] found."

    You read the whole article and that's all you decided to quote? It's not even about this study specifically. The 2012 study mentioned is the most recent study prior to the one mentioned in the article. There were plenty of quotes from people about the actual study in question. And "in question" is a good way to describe it. Just a strange cherry picked quote you have there.

    Curiously, the 2012 study did apparently find that pesticide residue was higher in conventional products, so I guess all the people in this thread who mentioned might be on to something.

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