Too much sugar and you won't lose weight even in defecit?
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As I said on previous post I'm living proof CICO is not all there is to it. But yet all the "know it alls" here will say its cause of my body. My body is fine according to my bloodwork. I was nauseous from meds so barely ate anything but a few 100 call cereal bars or nurtigrains a day. I gained weight like crazy the past few months. Even my doc says its cause all I ate was sugar and carbs. It is CICO but its whats in the CI! CICO is just everyones simple way of starting an argument. Even MFP tracks these but they will still all tell you to ignore it even right after they tell you that MFP gives you the correct CI count that you should have. I've been to 3 diff sites and got 3 diff CI amounts from the same info I entered in.
Your doctor sounds like a moron. My sugar average is 125g daily (and not from fruit.) and yet I lose weight without issue.
As for you, specifically, its not possible that the medication took a toll on the CO portion of the equation? Or that your activity levels dropped, this changing the CO part?0 -
So are most meth heads, are you going to take nutritional advice from them as well?
So your friend is a respected nutritionist/dietician/specialist?Who said this?
A friend.
They probably saw a pop-up on their computer.
Lies I tell you, ignore it!
Setting Your Calorie and Macro Targets
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/819055-setting-your-calorie-and-macro-targets
Haha, no not at all.
But she is skinny.0 -
That's my point EXACTLY!! Everyone is totally different. Its not about how many calories it what each persons body does with whats IN those calories. My body DID NOT like sugar and carbs. I need to cut back on them. Some ppl might not be bothered by them and others are. Yeah on a good day I may eat a happy meal from mcdonalds which would still be under my 1200 calories a day that MFP gave me. I can log in my head cuz I literally had 3-4 things I ate for months. Therefore I know I was under 1200 calories. And once again, Sprycel is not going to effect my metabolism0
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That's my point EXACTLY!! Everyone is totally different. Its not about how many calories it what each persons body does with whats IN those calories. My body DID NOT like sugar and carbs. I need to cut back on them. Some ppl might not be bothered by them and others are. Yeah on a good day I may eat a happy meal from mcdonalds which would still be under my 1200 calories a day that MFP gave me. I can log in my head cuz I literally had 3-4 things I ate for months. Therefore I know I was under 1200 calories. And once again, Sprycel is not going to effect my metabolism
Your point...is flawed.0 -
In to hear more about the evils of sugar, because I don't get enough of it on Facebook. Maybe we can discuss It Works wraps and some amazing benefits of low fat diets while we're at it?0
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So are most meth heads, are you going to take nutritional advice from them as well?
So your friend is a respected nutritionist/dietician/specialist?Who said this?
A friend.
They probably saw a pop-up on their computer.
Lies I tell you, ignore it!
Setting Your Calorie and Macro Targets
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/819055-setting-your-calorie-and-macro-targets
Haha, no not at all.
But she is skinny.
I'm not here to fight. Just asking a question. If you feel the need to be snarky there's other posters who will entertain that request I'm sure.0 -
As I said on previous post I'm living proof CICO is not all there is to it. But yet all the "know it alls" here will say its cause of my body. My body is fine according to my bloodwork. I was nauseous from meds so barely ate anything but a few 100 call cereal bars or nurtigrains a day. I gained weight like crazy the past few months. Even my doc says its cause all I ate was sugar and carbs. It is CICO but its whats in the CI! CICO is just everyones simple way of starting an argument. Even MFP tracks these but they will still all tell you to ignore it even right after they tell you that MFP gives you the correct CI count that you should have. I've been to 3 diff sites and got 3 diff CI amounts from the same info I entered in.
Your doctor sounds like a moron. My sugar average is 125g daily (and not from fruit.) and yet I lose weight without issue.
As for you, specifically, its not possible that the medication took a toll on the CO portion of the equation? Or that your activity levels dropped, this changing the CO part?
I suggest you grow up instead of insulting an oncologist from northwestern who saves many lives. Very far from a moron. And the dieticians and nutritionists there are top notch as well. My activity level changed to staying home with my son instead of going to a desk job. I never worked out or anything. So instead of sitting at work for 8 hrs I stayed home and played with my son. I would say I prob burn more playing with my 5 yr old0 -
Bananas (according to MFP) have 17g of sugar in them. I'm not sure what the exact GI number for a banana is, I think it depends on how ripe they are, but anything 55 and under is considered Low GI, anything between 55-70 is considered medium, so if you are following a low GI diet, you'd only want to have those foods now and again, and anything with a GI over 70 is considered high, which you would want to stay away from, if you were following that kind of diet.
It also depends on if you have any metabolic conditions etc, for example, I have PCOS and Insulin Resistance - I cannot lose weight just by eating 'healthy' and at a caloric deficit. I have to limit my sugar intake and eat low GI because that's what works for me personally.
Saying that, I still have bananas. Just not too many and not every day. But if you aren't following the low GI diet etc I don't think you need to worry.
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As I said on previous post I'm living proof CICO is not all there is to it. But yet all the "know it alls" here will say its cause of my body. My body is fine according to my bloodwork. I was nauseous from meds so barely ate anything but a few 100 call cereal bars or nurtigrains a day. I gained weight like crazy the past few months. Even my doc says its cause all I ate was sugar and carbs. It is CICO but its whats in the CI! CICO is just everyones simple way of starting an argument. Even MFP tracks these but they will still all tell you to ignore it even right after they tell you that MFP gives you the correct CI count that you should have. I've been to 3 diff sites and got 3 diff CI amounts from the same info I entered in.
Your doctor sounds like a moron. My sugar average is 125g daily (and not from fruit.) and yet I lose weight without issue.
As for you, specifically, its not possible that the medication took a toll on the CO portion of the equation? Or that your activity levels dropped, this changing the CO part?
I suggest you grow up instead of insulting an oncologist from northwestern who saves many lives. Very far from a moron. And the dieticians and nutritionists there are top notch as well. My activity level changed to staying home with my son instead of going to a desk job. I never worked out or anything. So instead of sitting at work for 8 hrs I stayed home and played with my son. I would say I prob burn more playing with my 5 yr old
Growing up won't make your doctor sound any less like a moron.0 -
My dieticians and nutritionists would disagree. One of them is a friend and I have seen others at northwestern. I'd bet on you being flawed before those well educated on the subject.0
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As I said on previous post I'm living proof CICO is not all there is to it. But yet all the "know it alls" here will say its cause of my body. My body is fine according to my bloodwork. I was nauseous from meds so barely ate anything but a few 100 call cereal bars or nurtigrains a day. I gained weight like crazy the past few months. Even my doc says its cause all I ate was sugar and carbs. It is CICO but its whats in the CI! CICO is just everyones simple way of starting an argument. Even MFP tracks these but they will still all tell you to ignore it even right after they tell you that MFP gives you the correct CI count that you should have. I've been to 3 diff sites and got 3 diff CI amounts from the same info I entered in.
Your doctor sounds like a moron. My sugar average is 125g daily (and not from fruit.) and yet I lose weight without issue.
As for you, specifically, its not possible that the medication took a toll on the CO portion of the equation? Or that your activity levels dropped, this changing the CO part?
I suggest you grow up instead of insulting an oncologist from northwestern who saves many lives. Very far from a moron. And the dieticians and nutritionists there are top notch as well. My activity level changed to staying home with my son instead of going to a desk job. I never worked out or anything. So instead of sitting at work for 8 hrs I stayed home and played with my son. I would say I prob burn more playing with my 5 yr old
Growing up won't make your doctor sound any less like a moron.
You make yourself look like a complete idiotic fool insulting well educated people.0 -
Hey dude I was not being snarky, I think you are just being a bit sensitive is all.
So are most meth heads, are you going to take nutritional advice from them as well?
So your friend is a respected nutritionist/dietician/specialist?Who said this?
A friend.
They probably saw a pop-up on their computer.
Lies I tell you, ignore it!
Setting Your Calorie and Macro Targets
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/819055-setting-your-calorie-and-macro-targets
Haha, no not at all.
But she is skinny.
I'm not here to fight. Just asking a question. If you feel the need to be snarky there's other posters who will entertain that request I'm sure.
You asked for advice and I offered some up, my analogy concerning taking advice from someone just because they are skinny was apt.0 -
It's not confusing, it's wrong. Calories determine weight loss, macros determine body composition, total diet and exercise determine health.It's not about sugar; it's about the carbs. A diet with too many carbs will make it very difficult for you to lose weight. There are three macronutrients: proteins, carbs, and fats. You want to keep these in balance. Myfitnesspal sets as default for your goal to be 50% carbs, 30% fat, and 20% protein. Do that and you'll do well.
The hardest part is making sure you get your protein all the way to 20% and making sure you don't go over 50% carbs. Look for foods that are high protein and low carb and that will help a lot. Bananas are all carbs (and moderately/high glycemic as well -- google glycemic weight loss index for a much deeper discussion of how different kinds of carbs -- e.g. breads, potatoes, veggies, fruits -- all can affect weight loss and blood sure differently) so that's why you'll hear some people have concerns about bananas. There's nothing inherently wrong with bananas at all; they just don't help you keep your carbs, fats, and proteins in balance. If you're eating them together with foods that include proteins and fats, though, they're fine.
Ok, this is what I mean.
You're saying if you eat too many carbs it will be hard to lose weight.... Even in a calorie defecit?
Very confusing.0 -
Visma is right you can eat whatever you want bro! Just stay in the caloric deficit! Dont go over them cals!0
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As I said on previous post I'm living proof CICO is not all there is to it. But yet all the "know it alls" here will say its cause of my body. My body is fine according to my bloodwork. I was nauseous from meds so barely ate anything but a few 100 call cereal bars or nurtigrains a day. I gained weight like crazy the past few months. Even my doc says its cause all I ate was sugar and carbs. It is CICO but its whats in the CI! CICO is just everyones simple way of starting an argument. Even MFP tracks these but they will still all tell you to ignore it even right after they tell you that MFP gives you the correct CI count that you should have. I've been to 3 diff sites and got 3 diff CI amounts from the same info I entered in.
Your doctor sounds like a moron. My sugar average is 125g daily (and not from fruit.) and yet I lose weight without issue.
As for you, specifically, its not possible that the medication took a toll on the CO portion of the equation? Or that your activity levels dropped, this changing the CO part?
I suggest you grow up instead of insulting an oncologist from northwestern who saves many lives. Very far from a moron. And the dieticians and nutritionists there are top notch as well. My activity level changed to staying home with my son instead of going to a desk job. I never worked out or anything. So instead of sitting at work for 8 hrs I stayed home and played with my son. I would say I prob burn more playing with my 5 yr old
Growing up won't make your doctor sound any less like a moron.
You make yourself look like a complete idiotic fool insulting well educated people.
I'm going to be honest, looking foolish to the sort of people who'd blame sugar and not excess calories for weight gain doesn't bother me in the least. In fact I dare say those are the exact kinds of people I want to think I'm foolish because the minute I start looking smart to them I've gone wrong.0 -
youtube the hodgetwins to get some good diet advice..0
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My dieticians and nutritionists would disagree. One of them is a friend and I have seen others at northwestern. I'd bet on you being flawed before those well educated on the subject.
Let's break it down.
Your dieticians and nutritionists and doctors decided, based on your self reporting of food and calories, that it was the sole act of eating a lot of sugar/carbs that made you gain weight. They didn't consider a shift in activity level (Those again your self reporting says your activity level went *up* even though you were consuming far less calories, which is...interesting) your illness or your medication taking a toll.
You say there is no way your medication affected the CO portion but also insist that everyone is different and bodies react to things differently. Just not your Body and your Medication, amirite?
There are a bunch of factors and you've decided it must be this one. That is flawed.0 -
I honestly didn't think so.
Just wanted to make sure. Thank you.
Someday I won't have to ask such stupid questions! Haha
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Hey, there's a lot of bad info out there, it's no wonder you're confused! When I first discovered CICO, it was like the heavens opened and angels started singing, because I realized I didn't have to give up ANYTHING!0 -
As I said on previous post I'm living proof CICO is not all there is to it. But yet all the "know it alls" here will say its cause of my body. My body is fine according to my bloodwork. I was nauseous from meds so barely ate anything but a few 100 call cereal bars or nurtigrains a day. I gained weight like crazy the past few months. Even my doc says its cause all I ate was sugar and carbs. It is CICO but its whats in the CI! CICO is just everyones simple way of starting an argument. Even MFP tracks these but they will still all tell you to ignore it even right after they tell you that MFP gives you the correct CI count that you should have. I've been to 3 diff sites and got 3 diff CI amounts from the same info I entered in.
Your doctor sounds like a moron. My sugar average is 125g daily (and not from fruit.) and yet I lose weight without issue.
As for you, specifically, its not possible that the medication took a toll on the CO portion of the equation? Or that your activity levels dropped, this changing the CO part?
I suggest you grow up instead of insulting an oncologist from northwestern who saves many lives. Very far from a moron. And the dieticians and nutritionists there are top notch as well. My activity level changed to staying home with my son instead of going to a desk job. I never worked out or anything. So instead of sitting at work for 8 hrs I stayed home and played with my son. I would say I prob burn more playing with my 5 yr old
Growing up won't make your doctor sound any less like a moron.
You make yourself look like a complete idiotic fool insulting well educated people.
but...a calorie is just a unit of energy. the body burns x amount of units of energy in a given day. if you put more units of energy in than it can use up in that day, weight goes up. if you put less units of energy in than the body would use in a day weight goes down....I have trouble believing a well educated individual would claim that a unit of energy changes based on the type of 'vehicle' it uses to get into your mouth, so that even if you put less units of energy in than your body consumes to fuel itself, you gain weight....I mean, I'd like to THINK they're not a moron...they did pay an awful lot for their education. perhaps there was some misunderstanding of what they said/meant.0 -
As I said on previous post I'm living proof CICO is not all there is to it. But yet all the "know it alls" here will say its cause of my body. My body is fine according to my bloodwork. I was nauseous from meds so barely ate anything but a few 100 call cereal bars or nurtigrains a day. I gained weight like crazy the past few months. Even my doc says its cause all I ate was sugar and carbs. It is CICO but its whats in the CI! CICO is just everyones simple way of starting an argument. Even MFP tracks these but they will still all tell you to ignore it even right after they tell you that MFP gives you the correct CI count that you should have. I've been to 3 diff sites and got 3 diff CI amounts from the same info I entered in.
Your doctor sounds like a moron. My sugar average is 125g daily (and not from fruit.) and yet I lose weight without issue.
As for you, specifically, its not possible that the medication took a toll on the CO portion of the equation? Or that your activity levels dropped, this changing the CO part?
I suggest you grow up instead of insulting an oncologist from northwestern who saves many lives. Very far from a moron. And the dieticians and nutritionists there are top notch as well. My activity level changed to staying home with my son instead of going to a desk job. I never worked out or anything. So instead of sitting at work for 8 hrs I stayed home and played with my son. I would say I prob burn more playing with my 5 yr old
Your oncologist is possibly not moronic when it comes to the treatment of cancer, outside of his speciality though, such as nutritional needs of none CA patients, he probably also knows very little to the extent he might sound moronic.0 -
Try this, find a plan that you think will work. To begin with, stick with goals that MFP sets for you based on your profile settings at first and use it to set a baseline. Track all your food as best as you can. Exercise, or don't, it's up to you, though it does help in more ways than just giving you a few more calories to eat. Keep this up for 3-4 months and track your progress.
If your progress is positive and you feel as though you have enough energy then continue down that path. If you are gaining, re-evaluate your goals, add exercise (if you aren't already), decrease caloric intake by 200 or so, then do that for a few months and track process.
Wash, rinse, repeat.
If you track properly and honestly, stick to your goals, and are patient you will achieve your goals.
Don't worry about carbs, or sugars, or whatever unless you have a medical need or have more intensive goals such has building muscle, body composition, etc. Eat foods that you enjoy and can easily eat for the rest of your life.
If you want "role models" find some people on here who have achieved the goals you are after and see if you can talk with them, or talk with a qualified nutritionist.
However, asking 10,000 people what they think and you'll get 8000 different answers.0 -
I'm so beyond over this debate. People will defend what works for them into the ground. I'll stick with what my docs and nutritionists and bloodwork says.0
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Fine.
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Hey dude I was not being snarky, I think you are just being a bit sensitive is all.
So are most meth heads, are you going to take nutritional advice from them as well?
So your friend is a respected nutritionist/dietician/specialist?Who said this?
A friend.
They probably saw a pop-up on their computer.
Lies I tell you, ignore it!
Setting Your Calorie and Macro Targets
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/819055-setting-your-calorie-and-macro-targets
Haha, no not at all.
But she is skinny.
I'm not here to fight. Just asking a question. If you feel the need to be snarky there's other posters who will entertain that request I'm sure.
You asked for advice and I offered some up, my analogy concerning taking advice from someone just because they are skinny was apt.
I have to agree. The point was a good analogy.
You seem a bit confused.
I would recommend going here and treating it as your primary source of info while you get a little more focused and experienced.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/833026-important-posts-to-read0 -
I'm so beyond over this debate. People will defend what works for them into the ground. I'll stick with what my docs and nutritionists and bloodwork says.
Please answer this question
You are losing weight. How is this happening?0 -
Nothing about fruit will sabotage your weight loss! Eat all the fruit you want! Haha. I strongly suggest you check out Freelee the Banana Girl on youtube. She's kinda nuts, but she's living proof that what she does WORKS.0
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Can we get one of those "this user has received enough feedback" lock type things up in here?0
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I'm so beyond over this debate. People will defend what works for them into the ground. I'll stick with what my docs and nutritionists and bloodwork says.
Please answer this question
You are losing weight. How is this happening?
Magic, silly.
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I'm so beyond over this debate. People will defend what works for them into the ground. I'll stick with what my docs and nutritionists and bloodwork says.
Please answer this question
You are losing weight. How is this happening?
According to you ppl I'm starving myself0 -
So if you are only eating fruit and are at a calorie surplus you won't gain weight? :huh:Nothing about fruit will sabotage your weight loss! Eat all the fruit you want! Haha. I strongly suggest you check out Freelee the Banana Girl on youtube. She's kinda nuts, but she's living proof that what she does WORKS.
smh
She obviously burns more calories than she consumes or is at least at maintenance.0
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