Too much sugar and you won't lose weight even in defecit?

kgeyser

People claiming CICO is everything sound just as ignorant to me as someone saying bananas make you fat. Just because you lose weight that way doesn't mean it's true for everyone. I would not lose weight on a Twinkie diet. When insulin is present in the blood, fat burning can not happen. If a person has any insulin resistance or constantly snacks on sugar all day long, keeping insulin around, it's not as simple as CICO.

wrong wrong wrong! Cico is based on the law of thermo dynamics. To say it doesn't work for you is like saying gravity doesn't work for you. Even if you ate twinkies only you would still have periods of the day where insulin wasn't elevated. The bottom line is this. If you eat only 2000 calories worth of twinkies and burn 2500 calories in the day, where does the body get the 500 it didn't get from food? Thin air? Plus even if you eat strictly low carb, protein can spike insulin just as strong!

So is this why IF works? Because it leaves more time for insulin to be low and you to burn fat?

And does this mean, that even though CICO works, that low carb will burn fat faster because insulin is low for most of the day?

Do you have issues with insulin or insulin resistance? If not, don't worry about insulin. Seriously.

There are basically two reasons to do low carb. One is insulin resistance/metabolic issues. The other is diet adherence - some people just prefer to eat lower carb because higher fat and/or protein provide satiety, they naturally gravitate toward eating low carb, and/or it's just easier for them to stick to their diet if they cut out carbs.

I've seen some research posted on the boards comparing different macro settings and weight loss, and there does not seem to be a difference in weight loss between different macro settings. No particular macro ratio burns fat faster than another. Everyone has macro settings that work for them; you just need to find what works for you, your body, your lifestyle, your activity level, and your performance goals, because long-term adherence is what wins the game.

itsbasschick

back in the day, i had a couple friends who basically lived off candy bars, cookies, soda and chocolate milk in binges, but they were both active and didn't eat that much overall, and both of them were quite slim.

jkal1979

Just don't make eye contact with anyone while eating bananas and you will be ok.

OP try not to over think things when it comes to this. If you are eating your bananas and still losing just fine I really don't see the need to worry about it.

rjmudlax13

LIES!

LIES I TELL YOU!

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QuietBloom

It's not about sugar; it's about the carbs. A diet with too many carbs will make it very difficult for you to lose weight. There are three macronutrients: proteins, carbs, and fats. You want to keep these in balance. Myfitnesspal sets as default for your goal to be 50% carbs, 30% fat, and 20% protein. Do that and you'll do well.

The hardest part is making sure you get your protein all the way to 20% and making sure you don't go over 50% carbs. Look for foods that are high protein and low carb and that will help a lot. Bananas are all carbs (and moderately/high glycemic as well -- google glycemic weight loss index for a much deeper discussion of how different kinds of carbs -- e.g. breads, potatoes, veggies, fruits -- all can affect weight loss and blood sure differently) so that's why you'll hear some people have concerns about bananas. There's nothing inherently wrong with bananas at all; they just don't help you keep your carbs, fats, and proteins in balance. If you're eating them together with foods that include proteins and fats, though, they're fine.

Ok, this is what I mean.

You're saying if you eat too many carbs it will be hard to lose weight.... Even in a calorie defecit?

Very confusing.

So... you just believe anything that anybody says?

What do YOU think makes sense OP?

feralkitten1010

It's not about sugar; it's about the carbs. A diet with too many carbs will make it very difficult for you to lose weight. There are three macronutrients: proteins, carbs, and fats. You want to keep these in balance. Myfitnesspal sets as default for your goal to be 50% carbs, 30% fat, and 20% protein. Do that and you'll do well.

The hardest part is making sure you get your protein all the way to 20% and making sure you don't go over 50% carbs. Look for foods that are high protein and low carb and that will help a lot. Bananas are all carbs (and moderately/high glycemic as well -- google glycemic weight loss index for a much deeper discussion of how different kinds of carbs -- e.g. breads, potatoes, veggies, fruits -- all can affect weight loss and blood sure differently) so that's why you'll hear some people have concerns about bananas. There's nothing inherently wrong with bananas at all; they just don't help you keep your carbs, fats, and proteins in balance. If you're eating them together with foods that include proteins and fats, though, they're fine.

This is incorrect. Eat at a caloric defecit. You will lose weight, even if you only eat twinkies.

I went to look for a "like" button on this. Then I remembered I was in a forum, and not on Facebook.

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Springfield1970

I'm so beyond over this debate. People will defend what works for them into the ground. I'll stick with what my docs and nutritionists and bloodwork says.

Please answer this question

You are losing weight. How is this happening?

According to you ppl I'm starving myself

according to your own self you felt this might be giving you an eating disorder.

Learn how to take a joke. I was referring to how all of you push all the BS like its the freakin holy grail

You still haven't answered my question as to what is happening in your body to lose weight.

I know what I think it is, but am interested in how you are thinking it's happening. I mean, it's your body, and weight loss isn't an easy thing to put it through. What's your line of thinking there?

rodduz

Just ask him, 'how he has come to that conclusion'? And see what **** he spouts!

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AnswerzPwease

It's not about sugar; it's about the carbs. A diet with too many carbs will make it very difficult for you to lose weight. There are three macronutrients: proteins, carbs, and fats. You want to keep these in balance. Myfitnesspal sets as default for your goal to be 50% carbs, 30% fat, and 20% protein. Do that and you'll do well.

The hardest part is making sure you get your protein all the way to 20% and making sure you don't go over 50% carbs. Look for foods that are high protein and low carb and that will help a lot. Bananas are all carbs (and moderately/high glycemic as well -- google glycemic weight loss index for a much deeper discussion of how different kinds of carbs -- e.g. breads, potatoes, veggies, fruits -- all can affect weight loss and blood sure differently) so that's why you'll hear some people have concerns about bananas. There's nothing inherently wrong with bananas at all; they just don't help you keep your carbs, fats, and proteins in balance. If you're eating them together with foods that include proteins and fats, though, they're fine.

Ok, this is what I mean.

You're saying if you eat too many carbs it will be hard to lose weight.... Even in a calorie defecit?

Very confusing.

So... you just believe anything that anybody says?

What do YOU think makes sense OP?

To me, it makes absolutely no sense and a calorie is a calorie.

But i've been wrong before - so I like to ask from those who are more experienced.

BombshellPhoenix

If too much sugar prevented weight loss, I'd still be up 53 lbs. I eat a hilarious amount of sugar, both from ice cream and from fruit. Calorie deficit for weight loss

joepage612

There are rules on re-feeding people who are starving. carbs, fats, and proteins not being equal. however, trying to lose weight is about calorie deficit. bananas are good for you.

Branstin

When you set-up your MFP profile, did the system display a message that you shouldn't eat bananas or you will gain weight even in a deficient because of the sugar? Did your doctor or any other medical professional ever advise you of such? People mean well but they don't always know the facts when making suggestions. When people start demonizing certain foods then it should be your clue to change the subject and seek answers elsewhere.

endermako

It's not about sugar; it's about the carbs. A diet with too many carbs will make it very difficult for you to lose weight. There are three macronutrients: proteins, carbs, and fats. You want to keep these in balance. Myfitnesspal sets as default for your goal to be 50% carbs, 30% fat, and 20% protein. Do that and you'll do well.

The hardest part is making sure you get your protein all the way to 20% and making sure you don't go over 50% carbs. Look for foods that are high protein and low carb and that will help a lot. Bananas are all carbs (and moderately/high glycemic as well -- google glycemic weight loss index for a much deeper discussion of how different kinds of carbs -- e.g. breads, potatoes, veggies, fruits -- all can affect weight loss and blood sure differently) so that's why you'll hear some people have concerns about bananas. There's nothing inherently wrong with bananas at all; they just don't help you keep your carbs, fats, and proteins in balance. If you're eating them together with foods that include proteins and fats, though, they're fine.

Ok, this is what I mean.

You're saying if you eat too many carbs it will be hard to lose weight.... Even in a calorie defecit?

Very confusing.

OP you could honestly eat Lard every single day and as long as you are in a deficit you will still lose weight. I mean, I ate 2 fudge rounds for dinner last night and I was under. I lose weight consistently and still eat what I want. It's very simple. Calories in and Calories out.

Also you are cute Just thought I would let you know.

FatFreeFrolicking

People say that because bananas are high in carbs/sugar.

If you are doing low carb, you won't want to eat a couple bananas a day.

If you have medical conditions like diabetes, insulin resistance, etc., you won't want to eat bananas.

However, if you do not have those issues and stay under your daily caloric goal, you can eat a couple bananas a day and not gain weight.

It's all about calories in vs. calories out. As long as you are burning more calories than you are consuming, you will lose weight.

Even someone with an insulin resistance issue could eat bananas within reason. They have a moderate glycemic load at 16 (anything over GL 20 is considered high) per serving. So don't pop 3 of 'em into a blender to make yourself a smoothie and you're probably alright. lol

I have insulin resistance and when I eat bananas, my blood sugar spikes to 150 and drops to 40 within 45 minutes. This is the case with most individuals with IR. I've seen 4 dietitians who specialize in endocrine disorders and bananas are not included in any of the recommended diets.

michelleepotter

People claiming CICO is everything sound just as ignorant to me as someone saying bananas make you fat. Just because you lose weight that way doesn't mean it's true for everyone. I would not lose weight on a Twinkie diet. When insulin is present in the blood, fat burning can not happen. If a person has any insulin resistance or constantly snacks on sugar all day long, keeping insulin around, it's not as simple as CICO.

wrong wrong wrong! Cico is based on the law of thermo dynamics. To say it doesn't work for you is like saying gravity doesn't work for you. Even if you ate twinkies only you would still have periods of the day where insulin wasn't elevated. The bottom line is this. If you eat only 2000 calories worth of twinkies and burn 2500 calories in the day, where does the body get the 500 it didn't get from food? Thin air? Plus even if you eat strictly low carb, protein can spike insulin just as strong!

Hey, everybody is different. I mean, I tried that whole gravity thing, but obviously MY body just doesn't work that way. Just yesterday I was walking around, like, 20 feet off the ground. I didn't fall! My husband tried to tell me that it's because I was on a bridge but, duh, if gravity is such an incontrovertible thing, why didn't the bridge fall? Huh?!? It's fine if gravity works for YOU, but don't go around insisting that it works for EVERYBODY. I'm LIVING PROOF that it's just not true!

Springfield1970

People claiming CICO is everything sound just as ignorant to me as someone saying bananas make you fat. Just because you lose weight that way doesn't mean it's true for everyone. I would not lose weight on a Twinkie diet. When insulin is present in the blood, fat burning can not happen. If a person has any insulin resistance or constantly snacks on sugar all day long, keeping insulin around, it's not as simple as CICO.

wrong wrong wrong! Cico is based on the law of thermo dynamics. To say it doesn't work for you is like saying gravity doesn't work for you. Even if you ate twinkies only you would still have periods of the day where insulin wasn't elevated. The bottom line is this. If you eat only 2000 calories worth of twinkies and burn 2500 calories in the day, where does the body get the 500 it didn't get from food? Thin air? Plus even if you eat strictly low carb, protein can spike insulin just as strong!

Hey, everybody is different. I mean, I tried that whole gravity thing, but obviously MY body just doesn't work that way. Just yesterday I was walking around, like, 20 feet off the ground. I didn't fall! My husband tried to tell me that it's because I was on a bridge but, duh, if gravity is such an incontrovertible thing, why didn't the bridge fall? Huh?!? It's fine if gravity works for YOU, but don't go around insisting that it works for EVERYBODY. I'm LIVING PROOF that it's just not true!

:laugh: funny

ironanimal

It's not about sugar; it's about the carbs. A diet with too many carbs will make it very difficult for you to lose weight. There are three macronutrients: proteins, carbs, and fats. You want to keep these in balance. Myfitnesspal sets as default for your goal to be 50% carbs, 30% fat, and 20% protein. Do that and you'll do well.

The hardest part is making sure you get your protein all the way to 20% and making sure you don't go over 50% carbs. Look for foods that are high protein and low carb and that will help a lot. Bananas are all carbs (and moderately/high glycemic as well -- google glycemic weight loss index for a much deeper discussion of how different kinds of carbs -- e.g. breads, potatoes, veggies, fruits -- all can affect weight loss and blood sure differently) so that's why you'll hear some people have concerns about bananas. There's nothing inherently wrong with bananas at all; they just don't help you keep your carbs, fats, and proteins in balance. If you're eating them together with foods that include proteins and fats, though, they're fine.

Ok, this is what I mean.

You're saying if you eat too many carbs it will be hard to lose weight.... Even in a calorie defecit?

Very confusing.

So... you just believe anything that anybody says?

What do YOU think makes sense OP?

To me, it makes absolutely no sense and a calorie is a calorie.

But i've been wrong before - so I like to ask from those who are more experienced.

Humans are incapable of photosynthesis and have no means to convert kinetic energy for use in the body, so our only means of consuming energy is in the form of food and the calories within food.

So long as you have more energy going out than you're eating, you're going to be at a net loss of energy, and as per science, will become smaller.