2 weeks in and not losing weight - disheartened

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  • chrissyrenee1029
    chrissyrenee1029 Posts: 358 Member
    Stop counting calories. Google "A calorie is not a calorie." If you are eating garbage, you will not lose weight, even if you are restricting calories.

    Avoid most "no-fat" and "low fat" foods. Fat doesn't make you fat. Carbs and sugar make you fat. You and most American have been misinformed by our government.

    Burn the USDA's "My Plate." The USDA is the Department of Agriculture, not the Department of Nutrition. It represents grain growers, not you.

    So don't eat any refined carbs - breads, pasta, breakfast cereals (pay no attention to the "heart healthy" and "good source of vitamins" labels), and rice.

    Don't eat any sugar - including all fruit juices and fruit yogurt. Yoplait yogurt is unhealthy. Repeat - Yoplait yogurt is unhealthy.

    Have an egg and cheese for breakfast (and a slice of bacon won't kill you), or plain Greek yogurt (the 2% tastes better than the 0%) and add berries (but not too many). The rest of the day eat fish, poultry, red meat, avocados and all vegetables (except corn and potatoes). Eat nuts (not peanuts) and sunflower seeds instead of chips, pretzels and all that other garbage for snacks.

    Avoid alcohol.

    You can eat fast food, but throw out the bun and don't order French fries.

    The weight will melt off you whether you exercise or not. However, exercise is great for your mind, body and sprit.

    Get a scale. Weigh yourself everyday.

    Once you hit your ideal weight, eat whatever you want, but keep weighing yourself. If you gain a few pounds, go back to what I told you to do and get back to that ideal weight.

    Try it for two weeks and see what happens. It can't hurt you.

    Good luck.
    This is bull. Weight loss is calories in/calories out.

    Really?

    So say you take 100 people who need to lose weight. Divide them into two groups of 50. Both groups eat 2,000 calories a day.

    The first group eats donuts and bagels and orange juice for breakfast, and pasta for lunch and dinner, washed down with Coke and complimented with nacho chips.

    The second group has an egg and cheese or Greek Yogurt for breakfast, eats grilled chicken for lunch with avocado and lots of veggies for lunch, and fish with salad for dinner. No Coke. Snacks are almonds and cashews.

    So you would have to be a complete idiot to think that the bagel/donut group is going to have the same results as the fish/chicken group after a couple of weeks, wouldn't you? It's called common sense.

    GOOGLE "A CALORIE IS NOT A CALORIE!"

    I have lost almost 15 pounds in the last 5 weeks or so. In that time I've had pizza. I've had pasta. I've had chips. I've had French fries. I've even had Chinese takeout and "gasp" donuts! I worked them into my calorie allowance by weighing/logging pretty consistently so I knew with relative accuracy how much was left in my "bank" to create a deficit.

    The majority of the time I do aim for healthier choices, but the fact that I've allowed myself pretty much everything on your "bad" list, in moderation, does not negate the fact that I've been successful thus far by doing everything you've said NOT to do.

    Just sayin'.
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  • chrissyrenee1029
    chrissyrenee1029 Posts: 358 Member
    Good luck keeping that up the rest of your life.

    Thanks! That's definitely the plan and much more realistically sustainable for me than anything you've suggested :tongue:
  • ZaCkOX
    ZaCkOX Posts: 115
    If you are disheartened now then you might as well give up. The truth is, if you want to lose weight, you have to fight for it. Calories in and out is the answer.

    Either fight for 6 months and keep with the low calories, no sugar diet, or give up. If I ever feel tired or I want to eat something, I ask myself, "DO YOU GIVE UP YET?" My reply is, NOOO. Fight harder than you ever have. Exercise, exercise, exercise.
  • Good luck keeping that up the rest of your life.


    I've been doing the same as crharris1029, eating what I want. I have not gone over my calories once in 36 days, and I have lost 19 lbs. I have a little chocolate everyday, eat lots of prepackaged dinners so my kids can have something they will actually eat, and my weight loss has been consistent. My vice is McDonald's ice cream cones - if I can work it into my day, I have one. I also have healthy fruit and veggies for snacks. It's all about moderation and eating less than I did before.

    And yes, this will work the rest of my life. Cutting out everything I love would not.
  • ZBuffBod
    ZBuffBod Posts: 297 Member
    Honey, you can do this. Be patient and continue to exercise and log your caloric intake. Do make sure you are weighing your food too. It takes burning approximately 3500 calories to lose one 1 lb of fat so work from that. Play around with your options and make the best one work for you.

    I KNOW that counting/watching calories work and many people on this site can also attest to that. There are also extremists on this site so be careful and weigh the information you pick up here.

    What worked and is working for ME:
    >>I am "allowed" NET 1200 calories per day by MFP (also confirmed by my GP). Most days I eat 1400-1500 and with exercise net 1200 or less.
    >>I don't eat back all of my exercise calories but I do eat some back. My reason for not doing so is that I tested three apps while exercising (several times) and all three returned different calories burned. I stuck with the one bringing back the lowest burn rate but still don't trust that it is recording properly.
    >>However, on any day that I feel extra hungry, I eat even if I have already exceeded my net 1200 calories.
    >>I am not too concerned if I go over my caloric limit one or two days because it evens out over a week.
    >>I am very concerned if I go over EVERY day.
    >>I have not changed my diet significantly because these changes I am making are lifelong and I don't want to do anything drastic that I can't sustain. The major change I made was paying attention to portion sizes and not eating until I am stuffed.
    >>I am not a fast food person nor am I tempted by sweets but I have a hair trigger for sauces and cheeses so I try not to be around those things when I am stressed or really hungry.

    Good luck. :flowerforyou:
  • WaterBunnie
    WaterBunnie Posts: 1,371 Member
    If I go out for a drink, my maximum is two and if it's a takeaway (which is rare) then I leave about half the day's calories behind.

    And the rest I'm afraid... the typical British takeaway would more or less obliterate ALL of your calories for the day - particularly on top of a couple of drinks. You're probably going to have to cut out that kind of stuff for a while if you want steady results.

    I was a bit surprised to read you're disheartened after just 2 weeks when you have admitted you've been a bit lax this week with logging. You can't really expect a logging site to help you lose weight if you're not actually logging! I can look at a plateful of food and think "oh.. that must be around 700 calories" but only by measuring and logging those foods can I know for sure that it's not 1000!

    300 calories for an hour of cardio isn't too generous. Set yourself a pound or half pound a week deficit, log, eat back most of your calories and see where you are in a fortnight's time but don't expect to lose it just because you'd like to - you really have to put in consistent effort to make it work!
  • deansdad101
    deansdad101 Posts: 644 Member
    Hi there,

    I'm fairly new to all this - I'm 20, and currently at 140lb and wanting to get down to 126lb. For the past two weeks I've been eating around 1400-1500, thought I think quite a few of the days I don't eat back my exercise calories.
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    There is just so much conflicting information that I feel overwhelmed and don't know what to do. In the past, only eating 1200 has got me to lose weight and I know that's just unsustainable. I would really appreciate some pointers as I'm feeling pretty useless :( Thanks!

    PK;
    If you haven't figured it out by now (based on the various posts above) there are two, distinct, "camps" here (actually many more than two but let's focus on the two "main" ones).

    Low Cal/Low Fats, and,
    High Fats/Low Carbs
    (both oversimplifications and numerous *shades* of each exist but focus on the general)

    I think it's fair to say that not only is MFP philosophically based on the LCLF approach, but so too are the majority (at least the most vocal majority) of forum posters.

    Some would argue that either (or both) camps go far beyond fact and philosophy to dogma and "religion" but in almost every case it's only the "other camp" that they believe to be religious in their convictions - never their own camp.

    So the first thing you have to decide is which camp (approach to dieting) do you believe is best for you.
    It is possible (in some circumstances) to blend the two, but in general it's an either/or decision - although there's nothing that says one can't try one approach and if not satisfied with the results, switch and try the other.

    Generally speaking though, the middle ground won't work because either you follow the programs designed around low cals (or carbs) or around low fats (or higher levels of fats). It's not a *pick one from column A and one from column B, deal.

    Each camp will argue that theirs is the "best" (or the only) choice, based on nutritional and physical fitness concerns.
    While these are (obviously) important considerations, each side has valid arguments, some of which apply to specific segments of their group (body builders, marathon runners, or those facing heart or T2D "issues"), so, for the sake of this discussion, let's set them aside for the moment.

    Focusing strictly on weight loss, take your pick and decide on one "method" or the other.

    If Low Cal/Low Fats (which I'm guessing it probably will be in your case due to your level of cardio and strength training expressed), tracking (especially Cals In) really is essential, at least in the beginning, as others have indicated. Believe what you like as far as being "good at guessing" and maybe you are the exception, but for most it's almost a guarantee that you're underestimating cals IN and overestimating cals OUT.

    Those that argue that the only way to know for sure is to count (and log) every single morsel, are right (IMO). Numerous studies have confirmed it and regardless of whether you are over or under, the simple fact is that you just don't know.

    Keep in mind that EVERYTHING about CalsIN/CalsOUT (CICO) is a guesstimate at best and you can only do what you can do to get as close to accurate as possible but it's still a bunch of guesses, multiplied by another bunch of guesses and by algorithms over which you have no control.

    It's for this reason that I'm a believer in NOT getting hung up counting Cals OUT (exercise calories). I recognize that this position is heresy to the "believers" but it's my position and I'm sticking to it - take it or reject it as you see fit.

    Focusing on cals in and daily weight logging will not only significantly reduce the record keeping requirements but as long as your average cals out (exercise beyond the norm) remain relatively the same each week, they can be accounted for by selecting the appropriate level of "average daily activity" which will be applied when determining TDEE (from which you will subtract the appropriate number of cals in/day to achieve the average loss/wk rate.

    Run the numbers and decide on a starting point for total daily cal intake.
    Track every morsel and log weight daily but DO NOT obsess over daily fluctuations (they are perfectly normal).
    Give it 2 -3 weeks and observe the trends.

    If your starting point number of cals in is close you should have seen the appropriate loss rate beginning to establish itself after a couple weeks (it will be usually be higher initially and then taper off).
    If not (you gained, or lost a LOT more than your estimate) - ADJUST the total cals IN number up or down by 250/day or so and give it another 2-3 weeks to stabilize then reevaluate again.

    Once you've nailed it down, remember that as you lose the numbers will change (go down), so continue to log and adjust as needed.
    Down the road, when you are totally comfortable with logging and what the numbers are telling you, if you really want to "fine tune" it by including the "fitness" numbers (cals OUT), have at it but IMO it's an exercise not worth the effort (the logging, not the treadmill).

    The LCLF approach is based on the premise of CICO and as such you accept the maxim that as long as Cals Out exceed Cals In you will lose weight. It's not one that is universally accepted (although it is based on pretty solid science), but it is one that proponents of the approach accept and base their decisions upon.

    OR,

    If the HFLC (High Fat, Low Carbs) approach is your bag,
    much of the above (especially the tracking part) is (again, IMO) similar (but different).

    The numbers change, most importantly the % of carbs, fats, and proteins, so at least initially it's important to track to ensure you are hitting those targets.

    One of the major advantages of HFLC that proponents proclaim is that counting calories (IN) becomes unnecessary once the diet is established and the body has adjusted.
    Assuming that is true, it's still a good idea to establish the initial target and track the actual number of cals IN (and daily body weight) in order to establish the data base upon which you can determine the need for future adjustments.

    It is important though that the primary focus is on the percentages (cals, carbs, fats) but without accurately tracking food intake how would one know if they are or are not meeting the goals.

    With time, the HFLC advocates argue, your body will determine the appropriate number of calories by controlling its built in satiety mechanisms (and assuming that your %'s are achieved).

    Proponents of HFLC don't, necessarily, disagree with the CICO principals but their focus is more on the ratios than the specific cal numbers and that daily cal intake will basically take care of itself as long as the ratios are correct (or adjusted as necessary).

    One can agree (or disagree) with the premise but for those that adhere to the principals (and macro goals), no longer having to track every single cal IN (totals), is a benefit, but one far down on the list of those obtained according to adherents to the approach.

    Sorry about the wordiness and, as always, take whatever anyone posts on any forum (including me) with the appropriately sized grain of salt.

    Question everything, do your own research and decide for yourself what's best for you.
    Keeping in mind that nothing need be cast in stone and you can always (at least as long as you keep an open mind and reject the dogma and ideology), switch and try another method.

    Best of luck on achieving success.

    edited to correct for fat fingers affliction
  • SLLRunner
    SLLRunner Posts: 12,942 Member
    Good luck keeping that up the rest of your life.
    Thank you! You as well. :wink:
  • RWTBR
    RWTBR Posts: 140 Member
    IGNORE EVERY EXCUSE POSTED BY THE TROLL BELOW:
    Stop counting calories. Google "A calorie is not a calorie."

    If you are eating garbage, you will not lose weight, even if you are restricting calories.

    Avoid most "no-fat" and "low fat" foods. Fat doesn't make you fat. Carbs and sugar make you fat. You and most American have been misinformed by our government.

    Burn the USDA's "My Plate." The USDA is the Department of Agriculture, not the Department of Nutrition. It represents grain growers, not you.

    So don't eat any refined carbs - breads, pasta, breakfast cereals (pay no attention to the "heart healthy" and "good source of vitamins" labels), and rice.

    Don't eat any sugar - including all fruit juices and fruit yogurt. Yoplait yogurt is unhealthy. Repeat - Yoplait yogurt is unhealthy.

    Have an egg and cheese for breakfast (and a slice of bacon won't kill you), or plain Greek yogurt (the 2% tastes better than the 0%) and add berries (but not too many). The rest of the day eat fish, poultry, red meat, avocados and all vegetables (except corn and potatoes). Eat nuts (not peanuts) and sunflower seeds instead of chips, pretzels and all that other garbage for snacks.

    Avoid alcohol.

    You can eat fast food, but throw out the bun and don't order French fries.

    The weight will melt off you whether you exercise or not. However, exercise is great for your mind, body and sprit.

    Get a scale. Weigh yourself everyday.

    Once you hit your ideal weight, eat whatever you want, but keep weighing yourself. If you gain a few pounds, go back to what I told you to do and get back to that ideal weight.

    Try it for two weeks and see what happens. It can't hurt you.

    Good luck.
  • PK0993
    PK0993 Posts: 9 Member
    Thank you all for the constructive comments and advice! I will keep an eye on portions and just keep going at it, then re-evaluate in 2 weeks time and see what's happened. Will take some measurements too :)

    Thank you again!
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  • PennyVonDread
    PennyVonDread Posts: 432 Member
    IGNORE EVERY EXCUSE POSTED BY THE TROLL BELOW:
    Stop counting calories. Google "A calorie is not a calorie."

    If you are eating garbage, you will not lose weight, even if you are restricting calories.

    Avoid most "no-fat" and "low fat" foods. Fat doesn't make you fat. Carbs and sugar make you fat. You and most American have been misinformed by our government.

    Burn the USDA's "My Plate." The USDA is the Department of Agriculture, not the Department of Nutrition. It represents grain growers, not you.

    So don't eat any refined carbs - breads, pasta, breakfast cereals (pay no attention to the "heart healthy" and "good source of vitamins" labels), and rice.

    Don't eat any sugar - including all fruit juices and fruit yogurt. Yoplait yogurt is unhealthy. Repeat - Yoplait yogurt is unhealthy.

    Have an egg and cheese for breakfast (and a slice of bacon won't kill you), or plain Greek yogurt (the 2% tastes better than the 0%) and add berries (but not too many). The rest of the day eat fish, poultry, red meat, avocados and all vegetables (except corn and potatoes). Eat nuts (not peanuts) and sunflower seeds instead of chips, pretzels and all that other garbage for snacks.

    Avoid alcohol.

    You can eat fast food, but throw out the bun and don't order French fries.

    The weight will melt off you whether you exercise or not. However, exercise is great for your mind, body and sprit.

    Get a scale. Weigh yourself everyday.

    Once you hit your ideal weight, eat whatever you want, but keep weighing yourself. If you gain a few pounds, go back to what I told you to do and get back to that ideal weight.

    Try it for two weeks and see what happens. It can't hurt you.

    Good luck.

    Yes, disregard. In terms of weight loss, calories absolutely matter. You wouldn't be here if you were aware and honest with yourself about your intake/output and the tools here, while not necessary for everyone's success, are extremely valuable if you were not having success on your own without counting.

    Remember that you get can fat from a surplus of any calories, even from healthy/"clean"/"Insert-BS-label-here" foods. Our ancestors certainly weren't fattening up for harsh winters on burger combos and milkshakes.

    Also, not everyone here is losing weight for "health." Losing weight is a personal experience. Losing weight to land an acting job, to be in a certain weight class for MMA, or for a summer vacation's "vanity" pounds are legitimate reasons. Spare me your healthist preaching.

    You should see what I lose weight on, my diary is open. I was 190lbs in June of last year, about 136lbs now. Also, I don't appreciate strangers telling me how my individual body works, how the "junk" food that is keeping me alive is killing me. Because maybe not everyone has a heart and blood disorder that makes them hypotensive and unable to absorb vital nutrients. Maybe not everyone can eat full fat foods and lots of salt, iron, magnesium (dark chocolate!), potassium, and iodine. As for me, I prefer my heart staying beating and not getting tunnel vision and weakness when I stand up.

    If health is your ultimate goal, it's important to highlight how very individual health/function is. There is no one and only "right way."

    As for me, I train like a beast, eat a feast, and lose weight steady, # week at least. For weight loss, calories in/out absolutely matters, and there isn't enough research to support the scare propaganda that processed foods are the absolute worst thing you can do to your body. Moderation seems to be key here.
  • Liz07122014
    Liz07122014 Posts: 2 Member
    Track. Track. And then track some more.
    Track every bite, every mint.
    Track water intake.
    Track your exercise.
    Track your weight. The program suggests once/week. In the beginning try twice/week. It may not give a perfect picture, but it will start to make sense to YOU what causes weight fluctuations. I've been weight watching for years, but only recently started using this program (about the same time as you). It has taken me this long to get familiar with the program and sharpen up my entries so they are more and more accurate. I was excited to see that I can type in Brand names and get 100% accurate results. Whooo hooo! This is soooo easy! It may seem like work, but on the flip side it's really quite a lot of fun being in this community and making entries. I expect to start losing weight right about now - because now I know what I'm doing. Don't give up. We're all cheering for you.
  • SassyCalyGirl
    SassyCalyGirl Posts: 1,932 Member
    give it time
  • SusanUW83
    SusanUW83 Posts: 152 Member
    Okay, I follow a mix of the two camps espoused here. Track everything for a while to see what you are really eating. When I was successful losing weight, I restricted high glycemic index (GI) foods (high sugar, high starch - "white" food) because when I ate lower GI foods I felt more satiated on the same number of calories. It's all about making your brain think you are full, because your brain is what has been trained to eat more than your body needs because it "wants" it. If you can make your brain feel full, then that's most of the battle if you are an overeater (most here are, or we wouldn't be here). I usually don't eat back my exercise calories but on days I eat more than my limit, I use it to counterbalance. Good luck. Feel free to friend me if you'd like.

    I never could eliminate the white stuff, but reduced my consumption significantly and could eat more to hit my daily calorie goal.
  • 04hoopsgal73
    04hoopsgal73 Posts: 892 Member
    The OP thread got hijacked into the battle of ages of how we lose weight:
    Calories In/Calories out = weigh loss, versus Carbs and sugar make you fat so eliminate/reduce them to = weight loss.

    They are both acceptable methods which work. For those who stay in the healthy lifestlye, they maintain their weight loss.
    If they log or know from experience what to eat to stay at their ideal weight, calories in/calorie sout works and they understand
    macros and how they can enjoy pizza and ice cream in their life.

    Those who hit their ideal weight and then stop tracking fall easily back into their old habits. They often easily gain their weight back. within 3-6 months. They are comfortable at their goal weight and think they're eating ok and have a grasp of it all.
    They slip back to eating the convenience/already made foods which are generally higher in carbs and sugars. They reach for the bag of pretzels instead of the bag of lettuce. They do dinner through the drive by and have a whopper over grilled chicken & green beans for supper.

    Carbs and sugar produce lots of fat in our body because of the spike in the body's sugar levels. The fat just gets stored.
    The body loves the sugar rush so we respond by eating the same kinds of foods that continually produce fat.

    People falling back into the pizza, pasta, ice cream pattern of life who are not tracking, easily put the fat right back onto and around their organs and body. They never learned that lean body mass does comes from eating low fat producing foods.

    I don't have all the answers but erickeesin has valid points that everyone should think about. I just started reading,
    "Why We Get Fat" by Gary Taubes. It's giving me much to consider and think about.

    One of the reasons I joined MFP was because people normally can exchange ideas and opinions about nutrition, fitness, and health without acting and sounding like a bunch of politicians. Let's all be respectful to one another's thoughts.
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  • eric_sg61
    eric_sg61 Posts: 2,925 Member
    The OP thread got hijacked into the battle of ages of how we lose weight:
    Calories In/Calories out = weigh loss, versus Carbs and sugar make you fat so eliminate/reduce them to = weight loss.

    They are both acceptable methods which work. For those who stay in the healthy lifestlye, they maintain their weight loss.
    If they log or know from experience what to eat to stay at their ideal weight, calories in/calorie sout works and they understand
    macros and how they can enjoy pizza and ice cream in their life.

    Those who hit their ideal weight and then stop tracking fall easily back into their old habits. They often easily gain their weight back. within 3-6 months. They are comfortable at their goal weight and think they're eating ok and have a grasp of it all.
    They slip back to eating the convenience/already made foods which are generally higher in carbs and sugars. They reach for the bag of pretzels instead of the bag of lettuce. They do dinner through the drive by and have a whopper over grilled chicken & green beans for supper.

    Carbs and sugar produce lots of fat in our body because of the spike in the body's sugar levels. The fat just gets stored.
    The body loves the sugar rush so we respond by eating the same kinds of foods that continually produce fat.

    People falling back into the pizza, pasta, ice cream pattern of life who are not tracking, easily put the fat right back onto and around their organs and body. They never learned that lean body mass does comes from eating low fat producing foods.

    I don't have all the answers but erickeesin has valid points that everyone should think about. I just started reading,
    "Why We Get Fat" by Gary Taubes. It's giving me much to consider and think about.

    One of the reasons I joined MFP was because people normally can exchange ideas and opinions about nutrition, fitness, and health without acting and sounding like a bunch of politicians. Let's all be respectful to one another's thoughts.
    Nope. You might need to study up on insulin and stop listening to zealots like Taubes
    http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=319
    http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.ca/2011/08/carbohydrate-hypothesis-of-obesity.html
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
    Stop counting calories. Google "A calorie is not a calorie." If you are eating garbage, you will not lose weight, even if you are restricting calories.

    Avoid most "no-fat" and "low fat" foods. Fat doesn't make you fat. Carbs and sugar make you fat. You and most American have been misinformed by our government.

    Burn the USDA's "My Plate." The USDA is the Department of Agriculture, not the Department of Nutrition. It represents grain growers, not you.

    So don't eat any refined carbs - breads, pasta, breakfast cereals (pay no attention to the "heart healthy" and "good source of vitamins" labels), and rice.

    Don't eat any sugar - including all fruit juices and fruit yogurt. Yoplait yogurt is unhealthy. Repeat - Yoplait yogurt is unhealthy.

    Have an egg and cheese for breakfast (and a slice of bacon won't kill you), or plain Greek yogurt (the 2% tastes better than the 0%) and add berries (but not too many). The rest of the day eat fish, poultry, red meat, avocados and all vegetables (except corn and potatoes). Eat nuts (not peanuts) and sunflower seeds instead of chips, pretzels and all that other garbage for snacks.

    Avoid alcohol.

    You can eat fast food, but throw out the bun and don't order French fries.

    The weight will melt off you whether you exercise or not. However, exercise is great for your mind, body and sprit.

    Get a scale. Weigh yourself everyday.

    Once you hit your ideal weight, eat whatever you want, but keep weighing yourself. If you gain a few pounds, go back to what I told you to do and get back to that ideal weight.

    Try it for two weeks and see what happens. It can't hurt you.

    Good luck.
    This is bull. Weight loss is calories in/calories out.

    Really?

    So say you take 100 people who need to lose weight. Divide them into two groups of 50. Both groups eat 2,000 calories a day.

    The first group eats donuts and bagels and orange juice for breakfast, and pasta for lunch and dinner, washed down with Coke and complimented with nacho chips.

    The second group has an egg and cheese or Greek Yogurt for breakfast, eats grilled chicken for lunch with avocado and lots of veggies for lunch, and fish with salad for dinner. No Coke. Snacks are almonds and cashews.

    So you would have to be a complete idiot to think that the bagel/donut group is going to have the same results as the fish/chicken group after a couple of weeks, wouldn't you? It's called common sense.

    GOOGLE "A CALORIE IS NOT A CALORIE!"

    1) strawman is strawman

    2) not having same results =/= not able to lose any weight eating some 'garbage' as you call it. You absolutely can.

    3) what negative health results do you have if you eat a yoplait yogurt?

    Also, carbs and sugar (btw, sugar is a carb) does not make you fat - eating more calories than you burn does.

    Also, please learn what a calorie is.
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
    OP: when did you start exercising?
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
    And please pay no attention to this logging nonsense. You can lose weight without logging. Just eat the good food and avoid the bad.

    Why are you even here?
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
    Stop counting calories. Google "A calorie is not a calorie." If you are eating garbage, you will not lose weight, even if you are restricting calories.

    Avoid most "no-fat" and "low fat" foods. Fat doesn't make you fat. Carbs and sugar make you fat. You and most American have been misinformed by our government.

    Burn the USDA's "My Plate." The USDA is the Department of Agriculture, not the Department of Nutrition. It represents grain growers, not you.

    So don't eat any refined carbs - breads, pasta, breakfast cereals (pay no attention to the "heart healthy" and "good source of vitamins" labels), and rice.

    Don't eat any sugar - including all fruit juices and fruit yogurt. Yoplait yogurt is unhealthy. Repeat - Yoplait yogurt is unhealthy.

    Have an egg and cheese for breakfast (and a slice of bacon won't kill you), or plain Greek yogurt (the 2% tastes better than the 0%) and add berries (but not too many). The rest of the day eat fish, poultry, red meat, avocados and all vegetables (except corn and potatoes). Eat nuts (not peanuts) and sunflower seeds instead of chips, pretzels and all that other garbage for snacks.

    Avoid alcohol.

    You can eat fast food, but throw out the bun and don't order French fries.

    The weight will melt off you whether you exercise or not. However, exercise is great for your mind, body and sprit.

    Get a scale. Weigh yourself everyday.

    Once you hit your ideal weight, eat whatever you want, but keep weighing yourself. If you gain a few pounds, go back to what I told you to do and get back to that ideal weight.

    Try it for two weeks and see what happens. It can't hurt you.

    Good luck.
    This is bull. Weight loss is calories in/calories out.

    Really?

    So say you take 100 people who need to lose weight. Divide them into two groups of 50. Both groups eat 2,000 calories a day.

    The first group eats donuts and bagels and orange juice for breakfast, and pasta for lunch and dinner, washed down with Coke and complimented with nacho chips.

    The second group has an egg and cheese or Greek Yogurt for breakfast, eats grilled chicken for lunch with avocado and lots of veggies for lunch, and fish with salad for dinner. No Coke. Snacks are almonds and cashews.

    So you would have to be a complete idiot to think that the bagel/donut group is going to have the same results as the fish/chicken group after a couple of weeks, wouldn't you? It's called common sense.

    GOOGLE "A CALORIE IS NOT A CALORIE!"

    Google "Moon landing a hoax." Just cause you can google it doesn't mean it's true. A K-state professor made the twinkie diet famous by eating only candy and twinkies and loss a considerable amount of weight. Now it harmed is health but that's not the question. He still lost weight by eating at a calorie deficit.

    Dude, you are living in the stone ages. I lost 20 pounds in four months doing what I recommend.

    I just got onto this site today, and it is a shame that is advocating such BS as calorie counting.

    And who the hell has the time and patience to count calories? And what happens if you reach your calorie limit for the day, and you are very hungry?

    You don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out that eating two 200-calorie sugar-laded, carb-laden donuts is not the same as eating 400 calories of grilled fish.

    What on earth are you doing on site where the main function is calorie counting?

    A lot of people have the time and patience.

    Who said that two donuts and grilled fish were the same thing?
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  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member

    lol - no-where does it show that a calorie is not a calorie.

    What it does explain (although some of the claims are iffy and/or incorrect) is that not all calories are created equal - and I doubt anyone would argue with that.
  • PennyVonDread
    PennyVonDread Posts: 432 Member

    lol - no-where does it show that a calorie is not a calorie.

    What it does explain (although some of the claims are iffy and/or incorrect) is that not all calories are created equal - and I doubt anyone would argue with that.

    "A Calorie is not a Calorie"

    ...

    "It is true that all “calories” have the same amount of energy. One dietary Calorie contains 4184 Joules of energy. In that respect, a calorie IS a calorie."

    Except when it's a calorie...? This is mostly just tabloid article on nutrition, not on weight loss. The above quote is entirely irrelevant to calorie trackers because by default, moderation and responsibility for intake means we are finding ways to eat to sustain ourselves which include the "good" (oh barf, food morality) options and not just treats.

    It's not encouraging that calorie trackers should attempt lose weight eating your target calories worth of candy bars each day. It's just reiterating that, for weight loss, you could eat your calories in candy and still lose weight if you stay on track. As it is, most people here aren't that dumb because they don't enjoy being hungry all day for the sake of living off a vending machine menu. Eat whatever you want in moderation and lose weight.
  • bcanderson123456
    bcanderson123456 Posts: 45 Member
    Stop counting calories. Google "A calorie is not a calorie."

    If you are eating garbage, you will not lose weight, even if you are restricting calories.

    Avoid most "no-fat" and "low fat" foods. Fat doesn't make you fat. Carbs and sugar make you fat. You and most American have been misinformed by our government.

    Burn the USDA's "My Plate." The USDA is the Department of Agriculture, not the Department of Nutrition. It represents grain growers, not you.

    So don't eat any refined carbs - breads, pasta, breakfast cereals (pay no attention to the "heart healthy" and "good source of vitamins" labels), and rice.

    Don't eat any sugar - including all fruit juices and fruit yogurt. Yoplait yogurt is unhealthy. Repeat - Yoplait yogurt is unhealthy.

    Have an egg and cheese for breakfast (and a slice of bacon won't kill you), or plain Greek yogurt (the 2% tastes better than the 0%) and add berries (but not too many). The rest of the day eat fish, poultry, red meat, avocados and all vegetables (except corn and potatoes). Eat nuts (not peanuts) and sunflower seeds instead of chips, pretzels and all that other garbage for snacks.

    Avoid alcohol.

    You can eat fast food, but throw out the bun and don't order French fries.

    The weight will melt off you whether you exercise or not. However, exercise is great for your mind, body and sprit.

    Get a scale. Weigh yourself everyday.

    Once you hit your ideal weight, eat whatever you want, but keep weighing yourself. If you gain a few pounds, go back to what I told you to do and get back to that ideal weight.

    Try it for two weeks and see what happens. It can't hurt you.

    Good luck.

    You are so full of s.... carbs and sugars don't make you "fat". A calorie is a calorie. Cite a scientific study that proves what you say is true. Oh wait you can't because it doesn't exist. Quit giving people bad advice.
  • meshashesha2012
    meshashesha2012 Posts: 8,329 Member
    And please pay no attention to this logging nonsense. You can lose weight without logging. Just eat the good food and avoid the bad.

    i guess you don't realize that sumo wrestlers get very big eating "good food and avoid[ing] the bad"?
  • cadaver0usb0nes
    cadaver0usb0nes Posts: 151 Member
    Hey feel free to message me if you want some friendly advice :) I hate posting on the discussion boards.
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