is fruit bad?
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Well, using my weight, body fat estimates, and the amount of fat that can be metabolized in a day, my fat can provide almost 2900 calories a day even if I don't eat a bite. I've got the 1800, if that's really a thing, covered just by being so fat.That and the fact I at 5 ft 7 and a woman lose 3/4 of a pound a week eating 1700 calories...
I believe it is the AMA that suggests the min for a man is 1800...
I'm trying to lose more than 3/4 of a pound a week, though. If that were my goal, I'd obviously need to eat a lot more.
and I understand that you are trying to lose more weight than I did...but even now at 152lbs I can lose on 1700 calories...that's my point if I can lose 3/4lb a week on what you are eating and you are a man and almost 2x my size than chances are you are losing really fast...and it's not just fat, it's muscle too...based on iifym.com TDEE you could lose 2lbs a week eating 2000 calories a day...and since you are nearing the 50lb mark 2500 would seem more appropriate...
Unless you don't care where the weight comes from...you just want it gone.
ETA: and that TDEE is at sedentary as you didn't mention exercise...so it would go even higher if you exercised. For example exercise 3x a week and you can still lose eating 2500 calories a day.0 -
You really don't know what you're talking about. Please don't spread misinformation.I'm a low carb guy. Fruit causes insulin response which causes fat storage and hunger. Granted fruit is better than a cookie but it can still slow down weight loss.
I also hope you're aware that protein creates an insulin response as well. You probably didn't know that though.
Protein releases insolin, but also releases glucagon to counteract. Glucagon is made from fat cells in your body. Therefore your buring fat.
My advice is to keep an open mind, read the scientific papers yourself (or at least the abstracts) and form your own opinion. I've lost 50 lbs without counting calories or doing much exercise. I'm sure both diets will work its more a question of your ability to follow the diet. For me it was low carb.0 -
Fruit isn't bad in moderation -- Just like anything else --- but fruit does have more carbs in it than Veggies do.. I try to stay away from fruit and eat lots of leafy greens instead.. I do eat some fruit if I start to crave sweets -- Mmm Pineapple!0
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http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.ca/2011/08/carbohydrate-hypothesis-of-obesity.htmlI'm a low carb guy. Fruit causes insulin response which causes fat storage and hunger. Granted fruit is better than a cookie but it can still slow down weight loss.
"The reason insulin suppresses fat burning is because it's a signal of glucose abundance. It's telling tissues to stop burning fat because carbohydrate is the available fuel. If you eat a meal of 500 calories of carbohydrate, you will burn that carbohydrate under the direction of insulin, which will also make sure body fat mostly stays inside your fat cells during the process. If you eat a meal of 500 calories of fat, you will burn fat instead of carbohydrate, but since you just ate fat, you aren't dipping into your body fat stores any more than you were when you ate carbohydrate. So even though insulin temporarily suppresses fat burning and the release of fat from fat cells when you eat carbohydrate, at the end of the day if you ate the same number of calories you end up with the same amount of fat in your fat cells either way. You now know more about insulin than many popular diet gurus."0 -
Fruit has sugar, but also has fiber to balance it out. It does not increase blood sugars as rapidly as processed sugars because of the complexity of digesting the fiber. Fruit isn't calorie free, though, so remember to count what you ate.0
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Obviously you ahve been to a doctor to receive your diabetes diagnosis. Ask your doctor for a referral to a nutritionist to help you with your diet. There are a lot of medical issues involving diabetes and you should be getting some expert advice about how to control your blood sugar and safely lose weight rather than comtemplate vague eating strategies llke "clean eating" and "no carb" and asking strangers on a message board if fruit is bad.
Sorry, but there is just so much more that you need to be thinking about here from a medical stand point.
I am on a low carb diet designed by my nutritionist and there is not one food that she has ever labeled as "bad" or "good".0 -
I like high-fiber, low-sugar diets. But, fruit naturally takes care of balancing its sugar with fiber.0
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Haven't read the whole thread, so sorry if I'm repeating...Fruit has too many carbs for traditional "low carb" diets like Atkins, but it's fine if you're going for moderate carbs. I agree with you that moderate carbs is way more sustainable than low carbs for a lifestyle change, and fruit also gives you nutrients, fiber, antioxidants, great things.
If you're trying to reduce carbs without losing fruit, you could restrict to lower glycemic index fruits for a short period (a week or two?) …that just means avoiding the starchier and higher sugar fruits like bananas, mangoes, or figs. You could just go for lower glycemic index fruits like apples, melon, blueberries, etc. instead.
I could never cut out fruit, and don't personally think it makes sense to get rid of an entire food group for a diet, no matter how fast it could make me lose weight. I think moderate carbs are the way to go - that means avoiding refined sugar and flour, going for whole grains instead like brown rice or whole wheat breads. I am also trying to avoid added sugar - so unsweetened applesauce or yogurt, for example.
In the end though, I think you guys should just support each other with whatever the other is doing. She can lose her weight the way that works for her, and you can lose the way that works for you. It shouldn't get in the way of your friendship! Good luck to you both!0 -
fruit isn't bad. They contain tonnes of vitamins, fibre and good stuff despite being quite high in sugar. Also one thing to consider when trying to do the 'clean eating' thing... try not to limit yourself too much. Allow yourself to have the odd 'non clean' (whatever that is...) treat or you might find yourself feeling to restricted and falling off the wagon.0
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I exercise (walk) for about an hour a day 6 days a week -- mid-900s to very low 1000s calorie-wise, depending on what random distance MapMyFitness decides on... it's really about 4.3 miles in an hour, give or take two minutes -- and lift 3 days a week. I am progressing on every one of my lifts, though the shoulder press is becoming my arch-enemy. I've cut 3 minutes off my mile pace while more than doubling how far I walk. I have plenty of energy to do whatever. I am sleeping a little more, though, about 6:20 instead of 6:00 a night, so there's that.
Well, using my weight, body fat estimates, and the amount of fat that can be metabolized in a day, my fat can provide almost 2900 calories a day even if I don't eat a bite. I've got the 1800, if that's really a thing, covered just by being so fat.That and the fact I at 5 ft 7 and a woman lose 3/4 of a pound a week eating 1700 calories...
I believe it is the AMA that suggests the min for a man is 1800...
I'm trying to lose more than 3/4 of a pound a week, though. If that were my goal, I'd obviously need to eat a lot more.
and I understand that you are trying to lose more weight than I did...but even now at 152lbs I can lose on 1700 calories...that's my point if I can lose 3/4lb a week on what you are eating and you are a man and almost 2x my size than chances are you are losing really fast...and it's not just fat, it's muscle too...based on iifym.com TDEE you could lose 2lbs a week eating 2000 calories a day...and since you are nearing the 50lb mark 2500 would seem more appropriate...
Unless you don't care where the weight comes from...you just want it gone.
ETA: and that TDEE is at sedentary as you didn't mention exercise...so it would go even higher if you exercised. For example exercise 3x a week and you can still lose eating 2500 calories a day.
Yeah, I'm probably losing some muscle, just like I'd gain some fat on anything other than a perfect bulk. I am losing almost exactly what my deficit and exercise would "predict." I'm losing somewhere between 3.45 and 3.65 pounds a week since I started, depending on any particular morning's weight. I could definitely "still lose" while eating a lot more. However, given that my energy and exercise are stable, if not increasing, and I have plenty of fat to supply energy above my intake, I'm fine with losing faster for now.0 -
Just eat the damn fruit.0
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Everything is "bad" is you listen to all the "experts on dieting"....Truth is, nothing is bad in moderation and balance0
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Yes, I like to do bad things with fruit ...0
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I'm a low carb guy. Fruit causes insulin response which causes fat storage and hunger. Granted fruit is better than a cookie but it can still slow down weight loss.
You know what actually slows down/prevents weight loss?
Not eating at a calorie deficit.0 -
Obviously you ahve been to a doctor to receive your diabetes diagnosis. Ask your doctor for a referral to a nutritionist to help you with your diet. There are a lot of medical issues involving diabetes and you should be getting some expert advice about how to control your blood sugar and safely lose weight rather than comtemplate vague eating strategies llke "clean eating" and "no carb" and asking strangers on a message board if fruit is bad.
Sorry, but there is just so much more that you need to be thinking about here from a medical stand point.
I am on a low carb diet designed by my nutritionist and there is not one food that she has ever labeled as "bad" or "good".
You didn't state that you are diabetic if you are then low-carb makes sense if you aren't why is your nutritionist having you limit carbs?0 -
I'm a low carb guy. Fruit causes insulin response which causes fat storage and hunger. Granted fruit is better than a cookie but it can still slow down weight loss.
Can we please be educated on insulin?! You WANT your body to produce insulin. My god.....0 -
You really don't know what you're talking about. Please don't spread misinformation.I'm a low carb guy. Fruit causes insulin response which causes fat storage and hunger. Granted fruit is better than a cookie but it can still slow down weight loss.
I also hope you're aware that protein creates an insulin response as well. You probably didn't know that though.
QFT. Certain types of protein can even cause a GREATER insulin response in your body than carbs.
The sugar found in fruit is a carb just like any other simple carb but the great part is the fiber (a complex carb) in the fruit which slows down digestion of those sugars which helps regulate your body's blood glucose level. This is a good thing, you want to try to keep your blood glucose steady without a bunch of spikes and dips.
Moral of story = fruit has lots of fiber, vitamins, and minerals that are GOOD for your overall health!
Note: Overindulging in any food (be it fruit or anything else) will cause weight gain if you take in more calories than consumed. You can't single out fruit as the lone culprit.0 -
Ok, so here is my two cents..... havent read all the replies either so I am sure I am repeating someone.
Fruit is not bad... even if doing the low carb thing.
I am doing low carb because I have PCOS (related to insulin resisitance, pre-diabetes, etc) I dont have any of these as of yet,, thank goodness but I am doing low carb because of it.
My trainer has me on a low carb- high (good) fat program. He says I can have only two servings of fruit a day, both of those have to be before lunch and they both have to be some kind of berry (for the high fiber content). I am staying away from processed carbs as much as possible (trying to not eat these at all). He wants all of my carbs to come from veggies.
I am not quite yet at my goal and still have a long ways to go but I was stuck for some time and am now losing again so it is helping me. Hope you get alot of good info!0 -
I exercise (walk) for about an hour a day 6 days a week -- mid-900s to very low 1000s calorie-wise, depending on what random distance MapMyFitness decides on... it's really about 4.3 miles in an hour, give or take two minutes -- and lift 3 days a week. I am progressing on every one of my lifts, though the shoulder press is becoming my arch-enemy. I've cut 3 minutes off my mile pace while more than doubling how far I walk. I have plenty of energy to do whatever. I am sleeping a little more, though, about 6:20 instead of 6:00 a night, so there's that.
Well, using my weight, body fat estimates, and the amount of fat that can be metabolized in a day, my fat can provide almost 2900 calories a day even if I don't eat a bite. I've got the 1800, if that's really a thing, covered just by being so fat.That and the fact I at 5 ft 7 and a woman lose 3/4 of a pound a week eating 1700 calories...
I believe it is the AMA that suggests the min for a man is 1800...
I'm trying to lose more than 3/4 of a pound a week, though. If that were my goal, I'd obviously need to eat a lot more.
and I understand that you are trying to lose more weight than I did...but even now at 152lbs I can lose on 1700 calories...that's my point if I can lose 3/4lb a week on what you are eating and you are a man and almost 2x my size than chances are you are losing really fast...and it's not just fat, it's muscle too...based on iifym.com TDEE you could lose 2lbs a week eating 2000 calories a day...and since you are nearing the 50lb mark 2500 would seem more appropriate...
Unless you don't care where the weight comes from...you just want it gone.
ETA: and that TDEE is at sedentary as you didn't mention exercise...so it would go even higher if you exercised. For example exercise 3x a week and you can still lose eating 2500 calories a day.
Yeah, I'm probably losing some muscle, just like I'd gain some fat on anything other than a perfect bulk. I am losing almost exactly what my deficit and exercise would "predict." I'm losing somewhere between 3.45 and 3.65 pounds a week since I started, depending on any particular morning's weight. I could definitely "still lose" while eating a lot more. However, given that my energy and exercise are stable, if not increasing, and I have plenty of fat to supply energy above my intake, I'm fine with losing faster for now.
and that is all that matters...glad to hear you are happy with how it is going...I just have this thing...my goal was always to eat as much as I could and still lose a reasonable amount of weight...which I did...
Congrats on the progress..but please do consider slowing it down a bit when you hit 50lbs to go.0 -
blah blah psuedoscience blah blah.
fruits not bad, but i never eat fruit when i am in a deficit. If you want to eat fruit who cares. i Personally don't, mainly because it doesn't fill me up. I get my vitamins elsewhere.
people in here acting like they are elite bodybuilders when the **** really doesn't matter at these levels of fitness.
Right now im eating 1800 cals a day, I have energy, i lift heavy. Hell, I havent even lost weight in the last couple weeks.0 -
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Certain fruits may cause a higher rise in blood sugar. Watermelon is a great example. Unless you're pre-diabetic, I wouldn't worry about fruits in general. The amount of vitamins and nutrients that you recieve from fruits alone, A, most of B, C, E, and K in addition to insoluble dietary fiber definitely outweighs the "low carb" diet imho.0
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blah blah psuedoscience blah blah.
fruits not bad, but i never eat fruit when i am in a deficit. If you want to eat fruit who cares. i Personally don't, mainly because it doesn't fill me up. I get my vitamins elsewhere.
people in here acting like they are elite bodybuilders when the **** really doesn't matter at these levels of fitness.
Right now im eating 1800 cals a day, I have energy, i lift heavy. Hell, I havent even lost weight in the last couple weeks.
Lol. I find it hard not to be decently satiated after consuming 150 calories of fruit for a snack or even following a meal. A whole large grapefruit, 500g of watermelon, the gigantic costco fuji apple, 2 cups of blueberries. The list is endless.
Frankly, I'd rather add a bunch of fruit than 3-4 oz of lean protein or only 2 oz of a fatty cut. Half of feeling full/ reaching satiety is the bulk of the food.0 -
Everyone responds differently. I love fruit and I eat it, but if I don't pair it with protein, I am starving within a half hour, no matter how much I eat. It isn't filling (to me) on its own. But it's still a healthy food full of vitamins, minerals and fiber, so people who don't have medical reasons to limit it should eat it.blah blah psuedoscience blah blah.
fruits not bad, but i never eat fruit when i am in a deficit. If you want to eat fruit who cares. i Personally don't, mainly because it doesn't fill me up. I get my vitamins elsewhere.
people in here acting like they are elite bodybuilders when the **** really doesn't matter at these levels of fitness.
Right now im eating 1800 cals a day, I have energy, i lift heavy. Hell, I havent even lost weight in the last couple weeks.
Lol. I find it hard not to be decently satiated after consuming 150 calories of fruit for a snack or even following a meal. A whole large grapefruit, 500g of watermelon, the gigantic costco fuji apple, 2 cups of blueberries. The list is endless.
Frankly, I'd rather add a bunch of fruit than 3-4 oz of lean protein or only 2 oz of a fatty cut. Half of feeling full/ reaching satiety is the bulk of the food.0 -
Everyone responds differently. I love fruit and I eat it, but if I don't pair it with protein, I am starving within a half hour, no matter how much I eat. It isn't filling (to me) on its own. But it's still a healthy food full of vitamins, minerals and fiber, so people who don't have medical reasons to limit it should eat it.blah blah psuedoscience blah blah.
fruits not bad, but i never eat fruit when i am in a deficit. If you want to eat fruit who cares. i Personally don't, mainly because it doesn't fill me up. I get my vitamins elsewhere.
people in here acting like they are elite bodybuilders when the **** really doesn't matter at these levels of fitness.
Right now im eating 1800 cals a day, I have energy, i lift heavy. Hell, I havent even lost weight in the last couple weeks.
Lol. I find it hard not to be decently satiated after consuming 150 calories of fruit for a snack or even following a meal. A whole large grapefruit, 500g of watermelon, the gigantic costco fuji apple, 2 cups of blueberries. The list is endless.
Frankly, I'd rather add a bunch of fruit than 3-4 oz of lean protein or only 2 oz of a fatty cut. Half of feeling full/ reaching satiety is the bulk of the food.
I get that, I do. I'm just saying, in the whole scheme of things, after eating your dinner or lunch, I'm saying the marginal benefit of that extra bit of meat gets outweighed by the bulk/sweet craving reduction of fruit in my opinion not that you wouldn't have protein during the meal either.0 -
Oh, that I agree with. :-) If I have a little cheese or some almonds with an apple, I'm good. But if I eat five apples and nothing else, I'm going to be starving after!
Everyone responds differently. I love fruit and I eat it, but if I don't pair it with protein, I am starving within a half hour, no matter how much I eat. It isn't filling (to me) on its own. But it's still a healthy food full of vitamins, minerals and fiber, so people who don't have medical reasons to limit it should eat it.blah blah psuedoscience blah blah.
fruits not bad, but i never eat fruit when i am in a deficit. If you want to eat fruit who cares. i Personally don't, mainly because it doesn't fill me up. I get my vitamins elsewhere.
people in here acting like they are elite bodybuilders when the **** really doesn't matter at these levels of fitness.
Right now im eating 1800 cals a day, I have energy, i lift heavy. Hell, I havent even lost weight in the last couple weeks.
Lol. I find it hard not to be decently satiated after consuming 150 calories of fruit for a snack or even following a meal. A whole large grapefruit, 500g of watermelon, the gigantic costco fuji apple, 2 cups of blueberries. The list is endless.
Frankly, I'd rather add a bunch of fruit than 3-4 oz of lean protein or only 2 oz of a fatty cut. Half of feeling full/ reaching satiety is the bulk of the food.
I get that, I do. I'm just saying, in the whole scheme of things, after eating your dinner or lunch, I'm saying the marginal benefit of that extra bit of meat gets outweighed by the bulk/sweet craving reduction of fruit in my opinion not that you wouldn't have protein during the meal either.0 -
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Personally I love fruit its the only way to get me to eat trail mix... I'm currently replacing my fries with apple slices where the option is given etc and I have a plan for a light lunch next semester that has apple slices and string cheese before my cardio class.0
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So if all questions should be directed only at doctors, what's the point of this message board?I can't comment on this, not because I don't have an opinion, but because I think the better person to ask is your doctor. Your doctor can recommend certain diets. Definitely fruits are better than other sugary snacks. And I know it's better to eat the actual fruit instead of drinking the juice(even no sugar added juices).
It is always recommended to talk to your doctor before starting any diet or exercies regimen especially if you have questions.
Best of luck!
Also, doctors are very well versed in nutrition. For example........Oz.
Do you really believe that you know something Oz doesn't? He makes huge sums of money by being a sellout. I'm sure you wouldn't do the same thing, given the opportunity, but that makes him morally bankrupt, not ignorant.
I doubt the OP's doc has any motivation to be giving knowingly incorrect information, although that isn't to say all doctors' recommendations shouldn't be corroborated by knowledgeable experts, such as those you might find on this forum.0
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