Job Hopping
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Hmm. Would you consider the husband of a SAHM a sugar daddy?
Depends. If she could comfortably divorce him for the sheer liberating joy of entering the workforce to seek her long awaited *fulfillment* while placing her children in institutionalized day care or with a foreign born $12 an hour "nanny" to optimize their emotional growth and development from an objective perspective than *maybe* *not*.
But if she'd be more comfortable keeping him around to facilitate the lifestyle to which she's become accustomed, along with all the subtle and complicated *trappings* of marital responsibility and motherhood, then perhaps the sugar daddy title would be open to interpretation
So much bitter! :sick:
Relationships don't work like that. Sorry that yours did.0 -
Hmm. Would you consider the husband of a SAHM a sugar daddy?
Depends. If she could comfortably divorce him for the sheer liberating joy of entering the workforce to seek her long awaited *fulfillment* while placing her children in institutionalized day care or with a foreign born $12 an hour "nanny" to optimize their emotional growth and development from an objective perspective than *maybe* *not*.
But if she'd be more comfortable keeping him around to facilitate the lifestyle to which she's become accustomed, along with all the subtle and complicated *trappings* of marital responsibility and motherhood, then perhaps the sugar daddy title would be open to interpretation
I don't like you. I don't like you one bit. Simply because your aggressively anti feminist opinion is a slap in the face to not only women, but hard working mothers. Putting *fulfillment* into a category with the implications that a mother can only truly be fulfilled by staying at home instead of her child being in an institutionalized daycare is ridiculous. I am a single mother, and not only do I love working full time, I am grateful that I had the chance to be a sahm BY CHOICE.0 -
In the world of IT the only way I am able to give myself a raise is to play one employer against another. Two years seems the usual number.
"Well, I'd stay here at hospital X but hospital Y has offered me more money. Are you willing to pony up or am I leaving?"
The companies I have worked for are ran by bean counters who are not allowed to think past the next quarter thanks to short sighted board members and senior leadership.
Welcome to wage slavery.
Good luck.
This.
It depends on the industry, really. A number of the responses on here are so far contrary to my own experience that it's been really eye-opening.
It's almost like clockwork that I update my LinkedIn profile and get flooded with calls from recruiters about "great background" and whatnot. The longest I've held a job is about a year and a half, between shoddy graduation timing (just shy of a year before the recession hit my sector, which got me laid off my first job out of college), conflicts with the way some companies were treating their people (I don't put up with the "slave" part of "wage slave"), and upward movement in salary.
From the sound of it, the people here wouldn't give me the time of day, yet I've actually threatened to file a complaint with the BBB against one recruiting agency if they didn't leave me alone, and have started actively deterring recruiters, because I get something like 3-4 calls/emails from different people, a week.
OP -- I think the important part is being able to provide a good explanation for any gaps or short stints. Even one or two short jobs aren't likely to kill your career or anything like that. Most people understand that sometimes things happen -- the company lays people off, hostile work environments, upward movement through job changes, the industry is contract-heavy, etc.
Don't go into a job just to look for a new one, of course, unless it's agreed upfront that it's a temporary gig. If it's supposed to be a permanent job, then treat it as a permanent job and go in with the intention of staying for the long term. If something changes down the line that makes it a place you don't want to stay in, then that's fine. In my opinion -- know what you are and are not willing to put up with in a job and stick to it. No job is worth sacrificing your health and/or morals over, in my opinion.0 -
I used to be a recruiter. Anything less than 4-5 years was almost a redlight... but if you worked somewhere 7 years, then your next job was only a year and then your next was 5 years then that kind of evens things out. You just don't want a year, 2 years, a year, 6 months, etc etc all in a row.
I've worked in HR and agree with this. If your entire 10 years of work history is 6 months to 1-2 years at each place, that sends up red flags. If you worked somewhere for 3-5 years and then have "job hopped" with 1-2 years at a couple of other employers it generally doesn't pose a huge problem.
it depends in which segment of the market you are, what you have done during those switches and how you have developped your skills.
I have been hiring for the last 10 years in IT, it is not uncommon to see short cycle of jobs where a candidate learn a very specific set of skills to reach what it takes for their real career.
there is no black or white answer. Each case is different0 -
Hmm. Would you consider the husband of a SAHM a sugar daddy?
Depends. If she could comfortably divorce him for the sheer liberating joy of entering the workforce to seek her long awaited *fulfillment* while placing her children in institutionalized day care or with a foreign born $12 an hour "nanny" to optimize their emotional growth and development from an objective perspective than *maybe* *not*.
But if she'd be more comfortable keeping him around to facilitate the lifestyle to which she's become accustomed, along with all the subtle and complicated *trappings* of marital responsibility and motherhood, then perhaps the sugar daddy title would be open to interpretation
Well, this has to be a troll.
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Hmm. Would you consider the husband of a SAHM a sugar daddy?
Depends. If she could comfortably divorce him for the sheer liberating joy of entering the workforce to seek her long awaited *fulfillment* while placing her children in institutionalized day care or with a foreign born $12 an hour "nanny" to optimize their emotional growth and development from an objective perspective than *maybe* *not*.
But if she'd be more comfortable keeping him around to facilitate the lifestyle to which she's become accustomed, along with all the subtle and complicated *trappings* of marital responsibility and motherhood, then perhaps the sugar daddy title would be open to interpretation
Well, this has to be a troll.
Exactly.
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Well, this got interesting.0
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FWIW, while we're on hot topic of SAHM status, they will probably ask you about the previous gap in employment.
I wouldn't recommend telling them you left your job to be a SAHM.
I would tell them you had family issues that are now permanently resolved and leave the family out of the interview.
IMO.
As a former nurse recruiter, I would NOT say that your family had issues. There really isn't a stigma attached to being a SAHM -- many parents choose to stay home for a while. "Issues" that result in a parent leaving a position have a very negative connotation and the recruiter is left to fill in the blanks, and may not be favorable to the candidate.
My advice to the OP is to stay at a position for 1-2 years. Anything less than a year is a red flag. The recruiter is probably more interested in why you left each position. If you have left for better positions after putting in a year or two in a position that requires minimal training, it won't look bad. The worst thing you can do is to badmouth any former employer or boss. You want your application/resume to reflect that you are a positive, helpful, upwardly mobile professional.0 -
Hmm. Would you consider the husband of a SAHM a sugar daddy?
Depends. If she could comfortably divorce him for the sheer liberating joy of entering the workforce to seek her long awaited *fulfillment* while placing her children in institutionalized day care or with a foreign born $12 an hour "nanny" to optimize their emotional growth and development from an objective perspective than *maybe* *not*.
But if she'd be more comfortable keeping him around to facilitate the lifestyle to which she's become accustomed, along with all the subtle and complicated *trappings* of marital responsibility and motherhood, then perhaps the sugar daddy title would be open to interpretation
I don't like you. I don't like you one bit. Simply because your aggressively anti feminist opinion is a slap in the face to not only women, but hard working mothers. Putting *fulfillment* into a category with the implications that a mother can only truly be fulfilled by staying at home instead of her child being in an institutionalized daycare is ridiculous. I am a single mother, and not only do I love working full time, I am grateful that I had the chance to be a sahm BY CHOICE.
I would love to see how you would fair with a d*ck.
OP, my reply to you was a genuine show of empathy for your situation and an attempt to give you some advice based on my personal experience. This thread has taken a turn towards absurdity with a controversial flavor as I tend to steer things that way. But not maliciously. I'm glad you had the chance to be a SAHM by choice as well. I don't begrudge you that one bit and, although I never did it myself, I think it's the best way. Nor did I know you were a single mother until you mentioned it above. I think single mothers, without the benefit of post secondary education, should have the opportunity to work for a living wage without being miserable and without depending on subsidy. And I work with my labor union in a volunteer capacity to encourage this to happen for ten hours a week at least in addition to my full time work schedule.
As far as d*ck goes, I'm not sure what you mean. I don't objectify men that way, and I don't avail myself to them sexually without a marital commitment. Were I to agree to a marital commitment and then find out my husband was a d*ck, I'd be happy that divorce and any equitable settlement that went along with it was available to me as a woman.
Your tone here implies that you had some idea of how a woman should raise her children. No one has the right to tell me or anyone what is best. There is no one right way to be a parent. There are many varying degrees of parenting.
Men are never told that being a stay at home dad is best. That type of hypocrisy is regrettably common in society, and the fact that when I posted, I made no mention of wanting to become a sahm, shows how deeply rooted you are in your beliefs.0 -
For what it's worth, when I read sahm in a reply, I read it "shaman" and wonder why everyone is suddenly wanting ot be a shaman before I re-read.0
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FWIW, while we're on hot topic of SAHM status, they will probably ask you about the previous gap in employment.
I wouldn't recommend telling them you left your job to be a SAHM.
I would tell them you had family issues that are now permanently resolved and leave the family out of the interview.
IMO.
As a former nurse recruiter, I would NOT say that your family had issues. There really isn't a stigma attached to being a SAHM -- many parents choose to stay home for a while. "Issues" that result in a parent leaving a position have a very negative connotation and the recruiter is left to fill in the blanks, and may not be favorable to the candidate.
My advice to the OP is to stay at a position for 1-2 years. Anything less than a year is a red flag. The recruiter is probably more interested in why you left each position. If you have left for better positions after putting in a year or two in a position that requires minimal training, it won't look bad. The worst thing you can do is to badmouth any former employer or boss. You want your application/resume to reflect that you are a positive, helpful, upwardly mobile professional.
Right, "family issues" might not be the best way to state it, but if someone told me they quit working to stay at home, I'd assume they still had that option and was trying to work to earn "supplemental or disposal income" and consider them a flight risk.
That's just me.
I've just always been told to leave the entire fact that you're even a parent (especially for women, who are known to miss work to take care of sick kids) out of the whole equation.
"There is nothing in my life right now that would prevent me from fulfilling the job description."0 -
Hmm. Would you consider the husband of a SAHM a sugar daddy?
Depends. If she could comfortably divorce him for the sheer liberating joy of entering the workforce to seek her long awaited *fulfillment* while placing her children in institutionalized day care or with a foreign born $12 an hour "nanny" to optimize their emotional growth and development from an objective perspective than *maybe* *not*.
But if she'd be more comfortable keeping him around to facilitate the lifestyle to which she's become accustomed, along with all the subtle and complicated *trappings* of marital responsibility and motherhood, then perhaps the sugar daddy title would be open to interpretation
I don't like you. I don't like you one bit. Simply because your aggressively anti feminist opinion is a slap in the face to not only women, but hard working mothers. Putting *fulfillment* into a category with the implications that a mother can only truly be fulfilled by staying at home instead of her child being in an institutionalized daycare is ridiculous. I am a single mother, and not only do I love working full time, I am grateful that I had the chance to be a sahm BY CHOICE.
I would love to see how you would fair with a d*ck.
OP, my reply to you was a genuine show of empathy for your situation and an attempt to give you some advice based on my personal experience. This thread has taken a turn towards absurdity with a controversial flavor as I tend to steer things that way. But not maliciously. I'm glad you had the chance to be a SAHM by choice as well. I don't begrudge you that one bit and, although I never did it myself, I think it's the best way. Nor did I know you were a single mother until you mentioned it above. I think single mothers, without the benefit of post secondary education, should have the opportunity to work for a living wage without being miserable and without depending on subsidy. And I work with my labor union in a volunteer capacity to encourage this to happen for ten hours a week at least in addition to my full time work schedule.
As far as d*ck goes, I'm not sure what you mean. I don't objectify men that way, and I don't avail myself to them sexually without a marital commitment. Were I to agree to a marital commitment and then find out my husband was a d*ck, I'd be happy that divorce and any equitable settlement that went along with it was available to me as a woman.
Your tone here implies that you had some idea of how a woman should raise her children. No one has the right to tell me or anyone what is best. There is no one right way to be a parent. There are many varying degrees of parenting.
Men are never told that being a stay at home dad is best. That type of hypocrisy is regrettably common in society, and the fact that when I posted, I made no mention of wanting to become a sahm, shows how deeply rooted you are in your beliefs.
I believe my reply to you included the SAHM mention, which came from your original post. You stated that you were once a SAHM. Nowhere did it say in your original post that that option was now closed to you. Now you mention you are single. So understandably, being a SAHM is now no longer an option.
I also mentioned looking into the possibility of union employment where the ball is in your court and you have a contractual leg to stand on if you believe you are being mistreated. This guards you against workplace unhappiness to a greater degree than if you didn't have it.
I also mentioned considering the possibility of starting your own animal caretaking business rather than working for an employer. But I understand that capital is required to invest in such a venture and at the age of 23, you might not be in that position yet, especially if you are the mother of children and meeting your own expenses.
My beliefs are largely rooted in my experiences and perhaps consider that I'm 24 years older than you? Or not, either way. You'll figure it out. We all do.
I responded to someone's question of possible job gaps. That is all. I have no desire to become a stay at home mother. Your multiple responses to others stating that being a stay at home mother is best and women are brainwashed to think they should be in the working world is what has shown that you are here for your own agenda.
You may be much older than I, but wisdom is not always linear with age.0 -
Thank goodness you people don't have my resume. I job hop every 7 months it seems. One minute I'm in the oil patch, next I'm in the government, tried my hand at environmental awareness, worked in daycare...now I'm a Safety Manager and making more money then I ever thought I would. There are tons of other factors that go into hiring someone. For example, what did you do while you were at those jobs? Of course "why did you leave" and are you looking to move up the ladder. It also depends on your education, if you have all the certificates you need, or all the education for a high demand position, you can pick and choose where you go. I have to say, between my last job and this one, I was unemployed for 40 minutes I've never had a problem landing a position in my field. 0
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All I have to say is that this thread has definitely made me want some of these... May have to make a trip to the store... Thanks a lot.
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*****y ***** is *****y.0
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For what it's worth, when I read sahm in a reply, I read it "shaman" and wonder why everyone is suddenly wanting ot be a shaman before I re-read.
I want to be a stay-at-home shaman.
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I don't think there's anything wrong with "I stayed at home with my children until they entered school. Now I'm ready to once again devote myself to my career." You need to have a good explanation for the gap. You can't just pretend you aren't a parent because you're going to be asked the question and you certainly don't want to lie about it.FWIW, while we're on hot topic of SAHM status, they will probably ask you about the previous gap in employment.
I wouldn't recommend telling them you left your job to be a SAHM.
I would tell them you had family issues that are now permanently resolved and leave the family out of the interview.
IMO.
As a former nurse recruiter, I would NOT say that your family had issues. There really isn't a stigma attached to being a SAHM -- many parents choose to stay home for a while. "Issues" that result in a parent leaving a position have a very negative connotation and the recruiter is left to fill in the blanks, and may not be favorable to the candidate.
My advice to the OP is to stay at a position for 1-2 years. Anything less than a year is a red flag. The recruiter is probably more interested in why you left each position. If you have left for better positions after putting in a year or two in a position that requires minimal training, it won't look bad. The worst thing you can do is to badmouth any former employer or boss. You want your application/resume to reflect that you are a positive, helpful, upwardly mobile professional.
Right, "family issues" might not be the best way to state it, but if someone told me they quit working to stay at home, I'd assume they still had that option and was trying to work to earn "supplemental or disposal income" and consider them a flight risk.
That's just me.
I've just always been told to leave the entire fact that you're even a parent (especially for women, who are known to miss work to take care of sick kids) out of the whole equation.
"There is nothing in my life right now that would prevent me from fulfilling the job description."
OP, you're actually in a better position now that you have a job. It's much harder when you're trying to get back into the work force after not working for any length of time. My sister had a heck of a time finding a job when her daughter started school. She was a topnotch pharmaceutical rep and she couldn't even get an interview with the job gap. She ended up taking a temporary, contract job just to get back into it. A year later she found a permanent position.
Now that you've clarified that part of it, I don't think there's any reason not to move on when you find the right position. 5 years at McDonald's says a lot about you. I'm impressed! I managed one year at Wendy's as a teenager before I went running. Finding any job to get back into the workforce and then moving on to something more in-line with what you really want to do is a perfectly good explanation in my book.0 -
I've been at my job for 10 years and was just told this past summer that she was worried I didn't have enough experience because I was young. I know other people that job hop and never have a problem finding a new job. It also depends on the career path you take. I know in sales it's a revolving door so you may be at one place long and another has a better location and you can sell easier and you'll be there and making your quota longer.0
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