Keto diet
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Actually, I did prove my point, not yours. You say that me going off Keto means it wasnt sustainable for me. It actually is. It was me just reverting to old bad habits, but I hardly need to justify myself to you. I have proven to myself that everything that is said about Keto and weight loss is true. It is simply the smartest and most effective way to lose weight. Others like me who have actually spent a period of time eating this way know it too. You havent tried it as you are addicted to saturated fat and sugar - basically you want to keep eating your heart attack on a plate but just in small enough amounts to slowly get some weight off. That's really smart. You believe it's fine to eat ice cream and bread all day as long as you "log it". How funny. I don't think anyone here needs to take any advice from you. If you want to keep feeding yourself all of your sugary food and high fat food and carbs go ahead, why are you arguing with everyone else about what they find works for them? Maybe start up a "Glucogenic Diet" 'Heart Attack Diet" thread and go to town in there?0
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I just realised too - over 6000 posts and you've only lost 14lbs? As for your post count, I think you might need to step away from the computer and get some exercise. And furthermore, unless you've lost that 14 lbs very recently, I think you need to stop trying to shoot everyone else down and start doing a little more research.
Just saying, I mean, you are the one judging everyone based on their profile etc, just thought I'd return the favour.0 -
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Not sure if you're aware, but there's a wonderful feature called the ignore button
click on user name>>click ignore>>ahhhh....now isn't that better?0 -
Not unstainable at all, people lives are not black and white in the real world. Unlike the world you live in which seems to be little more than typing away on this forum.
My old bad habits involved carbs and not watching calories - a bad habit that saw me gain around 93 pounds and keep it on for ten years. I have proven to myself that restricting food is very very hard when you base your diet around carbohydrates as they lead to intense hunger and cravings for more carbs. Not a smart way to try to live. You're in a constant state of hunger and feeling deprived. I managed every now and then to lose some, but it was always a struggle as I had no idea how easy and effective it was to lose weight via Keto. Due to my hunger and frustration the weight always came back. It was not due to hunger or frustration that it came back this time. Proved to myself that Keto works, and proved to myself that not cutting carbs puts the weight on. Proved my own point really. Nice try as you say. Eating carbs, rather low carb, or keto is unsustainable as it leads to weight gain, hunger and cravings.
Again, like many others have said, Keto is the best most effective way to lose weight.0 -
I may actually look into Keto. I have PCOS, and though I've been sticking to my nutritionists recommendation of low-carb, I may take it one step further just to spite this guy that thinks he knows it all!
OP, only 10g of carbs does sound a little drastic of a cut, and science knows I love my breads and rice and pastas! I will definitely google some research before I make a decision, but the meat head making the rude comments leading to insult the WHOLE ENTIRETY OF MFP WHO LOGS THEIR FOOD AND EXERCISE (No I don't need a F**** "good job" it's to know what I'm burning, Dip S***) needs to seriously step away from the steroids and stay out of OPs business if all he's bringing to the table is negativity!
I love posting on MFP. I didn't think drama happened here! 0 -
Getting back on topic I agree with others OP that 10g of carbs a day is too little. I don't know what your starting weight and data is but get your macros checked in the Keto calculator. I actually do a severe deficit myself but that's at 15g of carbs a day, sometimes I go over, sometimes I'm under but it's all ballpark really (so long as you stay around 20). I just recently started and you really need to do some more research on this diet, it's more than a calorie deficit (that's important too but you don't have to worry about calories for the first couple of weeks) it's a diet that should come with some medical intervention. Go to your doctor and have them check your blood levels, in particular sodium, potassium, and magnesium (if anyone else has a suggestion on what to check please pipe in). You can get really sick on Keto if you're not making sure you're getting the supplements you need, personally I take a multivitamin, a magnesium supplement, and a potassium supplement (I know what I'm lacking, make sure to know what you're taking ahead of time, too much potassium is a big deal). Up your calories and carbs OP and you should be fine, make sure you're tracking your intake and levels in your food diary.0
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I just realised too - over 6000 posts and you've only lost 14lbs? As for your post count, I think you might need to step away from the computer and get some exercise. And furthermore, unless you've lost that 14 lbs very recently, I think you need to stop trying to shoot everyone else down and start doing a little more research.
Just saying, I mean, you are the one judging everyone based on their profile etc, just thought I'd return the favour.
What does ones weight loss have anything to do with their knowledge? The guy has abs, which takes a lot of dedication and knowledge. You have to respect that. Also, by that same token, how many overweight doctors do you know? How many of them smoke? Heck, how many people do you know who have lost 50, 100 or more weight and still not know anything about weight loss, but rather just knows how to follow a plan?
OP, if you are going to do this plan, you need to educate yourself about how to follow Keto. If you do not have that kind of knowledge, you should probably come off of it until you do.
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Not unstainable at all, people lives are not black and white in the real world. Unlike the world you live in which seems to be little more than typing away on this forum.
My old bad habits involved carbs and not watching calories - a bad habit that saw me gain around 93 pounds and keep it on for ten years. I have proven to myself that restricting food is very very hard when you base your diet around carbohydrates as they lead to intense hunger and cravings for more carbs. Not a smart way to try to live. You're in a constant state of hunger and feeling deprived. I managed every now and then to lose some, but it was always a struggle as I had no idea how easy and effective it was to lose weight via Keto. Due to my hunger and frustration the weight always came back. It was not due to hunger or frustration that it came back this time. Proved to myself that Keto works, and proved to myself that not cutting carbs puts the weight on. Proved my own point really. Nice try as you say. Eating carbs, rather low carb, or keto is unsustainable as it leads to weight gain, hunger and cravings.
Again, like many others have said, Keto is the best most effective way to lose weight.
Blanket statements like this are the reason so many arguments start. Holding protein levels stable, there is no science to support this.0 -
I just realised too - over 6000 posts and you've only lost 14lbs? As for your post count, I think you might need to step away from the computer and get some exercise. And furthermore, unless you've lost that 14 lbs very recently, I think you need to stop trying to shoot everyone else down and start doing a little more research.
Just saying, I mean, you are the one judging everyone based on their profile etc, just thought I'd return the favour.
What does ones weight loss have anything to do with their knowledge? The guy has abs, which takes a lot of dedication and knowledge. You have to respect that. Also, by that same token, how many overweight doctors do you know? How many of them smoke? Heck, how many people do you know who have lost 50, 100 or more weight and still not know anything about weight loss, but rather just knows how to follow a plan?
OP, if you are going to do this plan, you need to educate yourself about how to follow Keto. If you do not have that kind of knowledge, you should probably come off of it until you do.
Also for both sides of the argument:
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Exactly unless someone has lost their weight following the Keto diet, it does not make them knowledgeable about a keto diet.
People can be a bit one dimensional and believe that because they have succeeded going a certain route, that there is no other equal or more healthy and beneficial path (as we are all different, we all fine success using different tools).
OP, the carb flu can take anything from 1 day to 2 week to get through. Once it's gone you will see the benefits.
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Seems the logical thing would be to do some research of side effects before one radically (and arbitrarily) throws their body completely out of whack.
What are these alleged side effects? Weight loss? Decrease in depression? Increased energy?
People keep saying "Gasp! Side effects! Negative effects!" But never provide them. This is imaginary fear-mongering.
This is my POV:
You don't like keto? Cool with me. But don't spew misinformation. I don't chime in when I don't know what I am talking about. I expect others to follow the same standards. Be specific if you know something.
Educate yourselves, my people! :laugh: More education isn't poisonous and has many good benefits. One of which would be me not having to correct misinformation as often. Hmmm....baconslave talking less.....has promise, doesn't it?
Edit: because my fingers are apparently drunk...0 -
Yea it's really individualistic. I've know people who low carb and enjoy it and other who prefer a higher carb intake.On a side note, power to those who can do these Keto diets. I know I personally cannot or I would never have the energy required in the workouts I do. Before someone comes and bashes me...let me top that last sentence off with, at least that's how my body reacts. Not all!
I actually agree with you. Every body is different. Ketosis isn't guaranteed to provide weight loss. (There is optimal ketosis and there is not.) Nor does everything work for everyone. The body's reaction is as individual as DNA.0 -
Seems the logical thing would be to do some research of side effects before one radically (and arbitrarily) throws their body completely out of whack.
What are these alleged side effects? Weight loss? Decrease in depression? Increased energy?
People keep saying "Gasp! Side effects! Negative effects!" But never provide them. This is imaginary fear-mongering.
This is my POV:
You don't like keto? Cool with me. But don't spew misinformation. I don't chime in when I don't know what I am talking about. I expect others to follow the same standards. Be specific if you know something.
Educate yourselves, my people! :laugh: More education isn't poisonous and has many good benefits. One of which would be me not having to correct misinformation as often. Hmmm....baconslave talking less.....has promise, doesn't it?
Edit: because my fingers are apparently drunk...
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Seems the logical thing would be to do some research of side effects before one radically (and arbitrarily) throws their body completely out of whack.
What are these alleged side effects? Weight loss? Decrease in depression? Increased energy?
People keep saying "Gasp! Side effects! Negative effects!" But never provide them. This is imaginary fear-mongering.
This is my POV:
You don't like keto? Cool with me. But don't spew misinformation. I don't chime in when I don't know what I am talking about. I expect others to follow the same standards. Be specific if you know something.
Educate yourselves, my people! :laugh: More education isn't poisonous and has many good benefits. One of which would be me not having to correct misinformation as often. Hmmm....baconslave talking less.....has promise, doesn't it?
Edit: because my fingers are apparently drunk...
don't forget about the asploding kidneys! :laugh:0 -
Seems the logical thing would be to do some research of side effects before one radically (and arbitrarily) throws their body completely out of whack.
What are these alleged side effects? Weight loss? Decrease in depression? Increased energy?
People keep saying "Gasp! Side effects! Negative effects!" But never provide them. This is imaginary fear-mongering.
This is my POV:
You don't like keto? Cool with me. But don't spew misinformation. I don't chime in when I don't know what I am talking about. I expect others to follow the same standards. Be specific if you know something.
Educate yourselves, my people! :laugh: More education isn't poisonous and has many good benefits. One of which would be me not having to correct misinformation as often. Hmmm....baconslave talking less.....has promise, doesn't it?
Edit: because my fingers are apparently drunk...
don't forget about the asploding kidneys! :laugh:
Dying...
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Yea it's really individualistic. I've know people who low carb and enjoy it and other who prefer a higher carb intake.On a side note, power to those who can do these Keto diets. I know I personally cannot or I would never have the energy required in the workouts I do. Before someone comes and bashes me...let me top that last sentence off with, at least that's how my body reacts. Not all!
I actually agree with you. Every body is different. Ketosis isn't guaranteed to provide weight loss. (There is optimal ketosis and there is not.) Nor does everything work for everyone. The body's reaction is as individual as DNA.
this holds just as true for trying to calculate caloric deficits. regardless of the various methods for calculating caloric burn, not everyone is going to come close to the projected averages. just as keto-based diets are going to effect each person differently, so will the caloric deficit method vary. based on the last 3 months of hard data i've accumulated, i already know my metabolism is way at the low end of the curve (possibly even too low to be on the bell curve). that means i can't rely on supposed caloric deficits alone to lose weight. i have to do something else... which means eating foods that ensure i'm burning stored fat for energy rather than foods that will pump me full of glucose and force me to burn off that before i ever get to burning stored fat.
the human body doesn't just treat any old calories the same. if it did, we could eat any substance that burned and still function.
http://www.olsonnd.com/where-do-calories-go/0 -
There really is no reason to go on a keto diet. It won't help you lose more fat, it will just help wtih water weight. Which goes away on its own when you drink more water anyways.
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And how exactly is it going to make you lose more fat than a standard caloric deficit. Please come back with a good answer not nonsense.
Keto is the easiest way to lose weight FOR SOME PEOPLE. After the first 3 days, you never get hungry and you don't get cravings, so keeping your calories low is ridiculously easy.
To the OP - I can always tell when I'm in ketosis because it leaves a distinctive taste in my mouth. It's hard to explain, but once you do it a few times, you know what to look for. (Also, I don't do keto diets anymore because I like drinking too much.)0 -
Seems the logical thing would be to do some research of side effects before one radically (and arbitrarily) throws their body completely out of whack.
What are these alleged side effects? Weight loss? Decrease in depression? Increased energy?
People keep saying "Gasp! Side effects! Negative effects!" But never provide them. This is imaginary fear-mongering.
This is my POV:
You don't like keto? Cool with me. But don't spew misinformation. I don't chime in when I don't know what I am talking about. I expect others to follow the same standards. Be specific if you know something.
Educate yourselves, my people! :laugh: More education isn't poisonous and has many good benefits. One of which would be me not having to correct misinformation as often. Hmmm....baconslave talking less.....has promise, doesn't it?
Edit: because my fingers are apparently drunk...
don't forget about the asploding kidneys! :laugh:
Dying...
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Yea it's really individualistic. I've know people who low carb and enjoy it and other who prefer a higher carb intake.On a side note, power to those who can do these Keto diets. I know I personally cannot or I would never have the energy required in the workouts I do. Before someone comes and bashes me...let me top that last sentence off with, at least that's how my body reacts. Not all!
I actually agree with you. Every body is different. Ketosis isn't guaranteed to provide weight loss. (There is optimal ketosis and there is not.) Nor does everything work for everyone. The body's reaction is as individual as DNA.
this holds just as true for trying to calculate caloric deficits. regardless of the various methods for calculating caloric burn, not everyone is going to come close to the projected averages. just as keto-based diets are going to effect each person differently, so will the caloric deficit method vary. based on the last 3 months of hard data i've accumulated, i already know my metabolism is way at the low end of the curve (possibly even too low to be on the bell curve). that means i can't rely on supposed caloric deficits alone to lose weight. i have to do something else... which means eating foods that ensure i'm burning stored fat for energy rather than foods that will pump me full of glucose and force me to burn off that before i ever get to burning stored fat.
the human body doesn't just treat any old calories the same. if it did, we could eat any substance that burned and still function.
http://www.olsonnd.com/where-do-calories-go/
Agreed. I've done plain calorie counting, and I don't lose nearly as well, steadily, or fast as when I am doing keto.
And I don't have the issue of mad carb-cravings that drive me over the edge with keto either.
It's excellent for me. But it doesn't work for everyone. Just as calorie deficit isn't efficient for some on its own. There is often more than one variable in an equation. Research, find your variables, and work it.
And going around dogging ways of eating you don't understand is a waste of your focus and energy in that pursuit, IMO.0 -
Blanket statements like this are the reason so many arguments start. Holding protein levels stable, there is no science to support this.
Unfortunately, blanket statements like this go unchallenged by moderation. Puzzling how that works.There really is no reason to go on a keto diet. It won't help you lose more fat, it will just help wtih water weight. Which goes away on its own when you drink more water anyways.
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Blanket statements like this are the reason so many arguments start. Holding protein levels stable, there is no science to support this.
Unfortunately, blanket statements like this go unchallenged by moderation. Puzzling how that works.There really is no reason to go on a keto diet. It won't help you lose more fat, it will just help wtih water weight. Which goes away on its own when you drink more water anyways.
To provide you some education, moderators are here to ensure the below guidelines are followed:
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/welcome/guidelines
As you can see, moderators do not check for the validity of statements. Generally the way the internet works (especially forums if you are new to that scene), is a person makes an absurd claim, the majority challenge it, and then the person who makes the claim has to provide science to back their claim. But if you want, I can start with actual science:
Abstract - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16685046
Full Text - http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/83/5/1055.long
"KLC [keto low carb] and NLC [non ket low carb] diets were equally effective in reducing body weight and insulin resistance, but the KLC diet was associated with several adverse metabolic and emotional effects. The use of ketogenic diets for weight loss is not warranted."0 -
Blanket statements like this are the reason so many arguments start. Holding protein levels stable, there is no science to support this.
Unfortunately, blanket statements like this go unchallenged by moderation. Puzzling how that works.There really is no reason to go on a keto diet. It won't help you lose more fat, it will just help wtih water weight. Which goes away on its own when you drink more water anyways.
To provide you some education, moderators are here to ensure the below guidelines are followed:
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/welcome/guidelines
As you can see, moderators do not check for the validity of statements. Generally the way the internet works (especially forums if you are new to that scene), is a person makes an absurd claim, the majority challenge it, and then the person who makes the claim has to provide science to back their claim. But if you want, I can start with actual science:
Abstract - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16685046
Full Text - http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/83/5/1055.long
"KLC [keto low carb] and NLC [non ket low carb] diets were equally effective in reducing body weight and insulin resistance, but the KLC diet was associated with several adverse metabolic and emotional effects. The use of ketogenic diets for weight loss is not warranted."
And I know, I should pick up Phinney and Volek have a book called The Art and Science of Low Carb Performance, but I like to see unbiased research, someone pushing a particular lifestyle.
Hmmm...for adverse metabolic effects they cite LDL increase, but generally that is because they ignore particle size. Actually the larger the particle, the less of an issue LDL level is. Larger particles are less dense than smaller ones, and much less likely to cause plaque build-up. If they didn't test particle size, it's questionable how determinable the "high-LDL" number is. Particle size makes a difference. The study tested only for concentration, not particle size.Viewed under an electron microscope, some LDL particles appear large, while others are small and dense. Surprisingly, the big, buoyant LDL particles are relatively benign. It’s their bantam-sized counterparts that do more of the damage. That’s because small, dense LDL particles seem better able to slip through the cells that line the walls of arteries. These small LDL particles are also more readily oxidized, and only oxidized LDL can enter the macrophages in the lining of the arteries and form cholesterol- rich plaques. (http://www.johnshopkinshealthalerts.com/reports/heart_health/1886-1.html)
Also, the cardiac issues mentioned were only referenced to other studies which were done on children.
As far as emotional effects, I saw no data about the emotional effects the study mentioned, except in mentioning another study. I imagine carb-withdrawl might make a person cranky in the beginning. But I honestly am happy, have little to no depression any more, and feel motivated to workout more than I have on any other diet.0 -
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There really is no reason to go on a keto diet. It won't help you lose more fat, it will just help wtih water weight. Which goes away on its own when you drink more water anyways.
Calculate your TDEE, eat enough calories (20% below TDEE), eat more than 10g of carbs because you're obviously lacking in micronutrients as well as macronutrients now.
This doesn't answer the OP's question at all. But thanks for playing.0 -
There really is no reason to go on a keto diet. It won't help you lose more fat, it will just help wtih water weight. Which goes away on its own when you drink more water anyways.
Calculate your TDEE, eat enough calories (20% below TDEE), eat more than 10g of carbs because you're obviously lacking in micronutrients as well as macronutrients now.
This doesn't answer the OP's question at all. But thanks for playing.
Agreed. But it's par for the course on keto/low-carb threads.
I do agree though, that if you are dizzy, there is something abnormal going on. Even when I was <10g daily, I didn't have any dizziness. So tweak things and again, electrolytes.0 -
Um, so what happens when you start eating carbs again? Or do you not? Just curious...0
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Um, so what happens when you start eating carbs again? Or do you not? Just curious...
Generally, for maintenance, you increase your carb count little by little until you stop losing. Or until you start gaining, and then scale it right back to just under what it took for you to gain. So you still count the carbs, but your level of consumption goes up a little to stop the weight loss. What you don't do is just stop having portion control and go about eating everything in sight. Which goes for any other non-keto person in maintenance as well. 0 -
Um, so what happens when you start eating carbs again? Or do you not? Just curious...
You gain the weight back. I did low carb for about a year and a half. Yes, I lost weight. Yes, it beat down the hunger beast. BUT the diet is pretty damn monotonous. You essentially shut yourself out of about 90% of all restaurant food and 2/3rds of the aisles at the grocery store. So, yeah, I gained it all back and then some.
Let's face it folks, there is just too much yummy food out there that has a lot of carbs in it. A life without birthday cake, moose tracks ice cream, fetticine alfredo, and cinnamon streusel bread is not worth living IMHO. Nowadays, I just count calories and if I go over on one day, I make it up the next day. Easy peasy.0 -
Um, so what happens when you start eating carbs again? Or do you not? Just curious...
I suppose that depends on your reasons for eating a Ketogenic diet.
For me, nothing spectacular happens.
I've lost 30+ pounds eating this way & since all of my markers for illness have either diminished or simply gone away, I plan to continue eating this way.
My lifts are progressing at the gym, and I'm adding more weight every week to all the big exercises & most of the smaller ones.
My body fat is decreasing.
I feel energetic & I'm able to keep to a caloric limit.
My blood sugars are within normal range reliably.
What's to go back to?0 -
Um, so what happens when you start eating carbs again? Or do you not? Just curious...
You gain the weight back. I did low carb for about a year and a half. Yes, I lost weight. Yes, it beat down the hunger beast. BUT the diet is pretty damn monotonous. You essentially shut yourself out of about 90% of all restaurant food and 2/3rds of the aisles at the grocery store. So, yeah, I gained it all back and then some.
Let's face it folks, there is just too much yummy food out there that has a lot of carbs in it. A life without birthday cake, moose tracks ice cream, fetticine alfredo, and cinnamon streusel bread is not worth living IMHO. Nowadays, I just count calories and if I go over on one day, I make it up the next day. Easy peasy.
I eat alredo sauce all the time, but on veggies like cauliflower, zucchini etc. I eat sweets too...my birthday rolled around and I had homemade cheesecake that was quite delicious.
I also eat non-keto things from time to time.
Guess what happens?
Nothing. If I go over one day, I make it up the next day, very much like you do.
I went to my mom's last night & she made curry chicken and a whole slew of stuff that is very carby. I ate & enjoyed the company of my family & today, though I'm 1# up in water weight, I'm back on the wagon & none the worse for wear :drinker:0
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