If you're serious about losing weight, read on.

BoresEasily
BoresEasily Posts: 582
edited September 22 in Food and Nutrition
Stop consuming refined carbohydrates. Stay away from white bread, white pasta and white rice. All they do is turn to sugar and then turn into fat in your body. Stay away from juices. If you want to drink juices, juice your own otherwise don't bother. They're comprised of mostly sugar. Stay away from alcohol, again sugar. Stay away from creamy sauces and dressings as they're very high in fats and especially saturated fats.

Read and understand labels and ingredients. Anything ending in ose is a sugar. Glucose, fructose, dextrose, et cetera. Syrups, malts and honey are also sugar substitutes. The further down the list sugar or sugar substitutes are listed in the ingredients the better. Try to avoid processed foods but if you must eat them then be sure to check, the sodium content, sugar content and fat content, look for those that are low in all of them.

Sugar = Fat.
Refined carbohydrates = Sugar = Fat

Get the picture?

If anyone has anything to add, please do.

The only exception to the sugar rule is real fruits. Those are good sugars. Consume those fresh or frozen(unsweetened only).
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  • I eat pretty much no refined carbohydrates. But still, the ultimate determining factor in losing weight, is calorie deficit. If you eat less than you burn, you will lose weight, guaranteed. Perhaps people try to over-complicate things when it's really that simple.
  • HealthyChanges2010
    HealthyChanges2010 Posts: 5,831 Member
    I eat pretty much no refined carbohydrates. But still, the ultimate determining factor in losing weight, is calorie deficit. If you eat less than you burn, you will lose weight, guaranteed. Perhaps people try to over-complicate things when it's really that simple.
    :drinker:
  • sunshine79
    sunshine79 Posts: 758 Member
    OMG!!!! Just watched the link you posted. Very very scary. I shall work on reducing my fructose intake BIG TIME. Thanks for the heads up.
  • schnarfo
    schnarfo Posts: 764 Member
    Stop consuming refined carbohydrates. Stay away from white bread, white pasta and white rice. All they do is turn to sugar and then turn into fat in your body. Stay away from juices. If you want to drink juices, juice your own otherwise don't bother. They're comprised of mostly sugar. Stay away from alcohol, again sugar. Stay away from creamy sauces and dressings as they're very high in fats and especially saturated fats.

    Read and understand labels and ingredients. Anything ending in ose is a sugar. Glucose, fructose, dextrose, et cetera. Syrups, malts and honey are also sugar substitutes. The further down the list sugar or sugar substitutes are listed in the ingredients the better. Try to avoid processed foods but if you must eat them then be sure to check, the sodium content, sugar content and fat content, look for those that are low in all of them.

    Sugar = Fat.
    Refined carbohydrates = Sugar = Fat

    Get the picture?

    If anyone has anything to add, please do.

    The only exception to the sugar rule is real fruits. Those are good sugars. Consume those fresh or frozen(unsweetened only).

    rright cos if you eat those things you wont lose weight... rubbish! everything in moderation :) if you stayed away from everything and anything that had negative reports you wouldnt eat anything!
  • vickthedick
    vickthedick Posts: 136 Member
    Stop consuming refined carbohydrates. Stay away from white bread, white pasta and white rice. All they do is turn to sugar and then turn into fat in your body. Stay away from juices. If you want to drink juices, juice your own otherwise don't bother. They're comprised of mostly sugar. Stay away from alcohol, again sugar. Stay away from creamy sauces and dressings as they're very high in fats and especially saturated fats.

    Read and understand labels and ingredients. Anything ending in ose is a sugar. Glucose, fructose, dextrose, et cetera. Syrups, malts and honey are also sugar substitutes. The further down the list sugar or sugar substitutes are listed in the ingredients the better. Try to avoid processed foods but if you must eat them then be sure to check, the sodium content, sugar content and fat content, look for those that are low in all of them.

    Sugar = Fat.
    Refined carbohydrates = Sugar = Fat

    Get the picture?

    If anyone has anything to add, please do.

    The only exception to the sugar rule is real fruits. Those are good sugars. Consume those fresh or frozen(unsweetened only).

    rright cos if you eat those things you wont lose weight... rubbish! everything in moderation :) if you stayed away from everything and anything that had negative reports you wouldnt eat anything!


    Amen, by excluding whole groups of food you are just setting yourself up for binging and failure.
  • binary_jester
    binary_jester Posts: 3,311 Member
    To think all this time I have been joking about losing weight. angry.gif
  • chelekaz
    chelekaz Posts: 847 Member
    To think all this time I have been joking about losing weight. angry.gif

    I always thought you were just a funny guy! :tongue:
  • I eat pretty much no refined carbohydrates. But still, the ultimate determining factor in losing weight, is calorie deficit. If you eat less than you burn, you will lose weight, guaranteed. Perhaps people try to over-complicate things when it's really that simple.

    This is correct.

    Although avoiding sugars is just good practice -- they don't add anything to your diet nutritionally and they waste calories that you could be using for something nutritious. Your body doesn't NEED sugar. If you CHOOSE to have sugar, it's certainly not the end of the world or of your goals, but you should do so with your eyes open:

    Sugar and sugar-replacements (including agave nectar, high-fructose corn syrup, maltodextrin, etc.) are equally bad for you.

    Sugar in fruits isn't great for you either... the difference though is that with fruits you get vitamins, antioxidants, etc. It balances things out slightly whereas with things like soda or sweets you get nothing in return.
  • jillybeanruns
    jillybeanruns Posts: 1,420 Member
    Losing weight and being healthy are not one in the same.

    Simply put, all you need to lose weight is a calorie deficit.

    Eating/being healthy is a whole different story. It's best to stay away from the "whites" and processed foods and sugars, but most of us can't do that 100% of the time. Eat the healthiest you can and exercise regularly and you'll become healthier.

    It's not always about the # on the scale, well for some of us:noway:
  • Losing weight and being healthy are not one in the same.

    Simply put, all you need to lose weight is a calorie deficit.

    Eating/being healthy is a whole different story. It's best to stay away from the "whites" and processed foods and sugars, but most of us can't do that 100% of the time. Eat the healthiest you can and exercise regularly and you'll become healthier.

    It's not always about the # on the scale, well for some of us:noway:

    I would wager that is true for most of us. We all say we want to "lose weight" or "gain weight" but what we REALLY mean is we want to lose FAT or gain MUSCLE.
  • Pisc2749
    Pisc2749 Posts: 61 Member
    Losing weight and being healthy are not one in the same.

    Simply put, all you need to lose weight is a calorie deficit.

    Eating/being healthy is a whole different story. It's best to stay away from the "whites" and processed foods and sugars, but most of us can't do that 100% of the time. Eat the healthiest you can and exercise regularly and you'll become healthier.

    It's not always about the # on the scale, well for some of us:noway:


    Thank you!!! I'm SO sick of hearing about what I need to cut out of my diet. It's not practical - what you do to lose weight should be sustainable for the rest of your life! It's a lifestyle change, not a diet! Calories in vs. calories out. Period.

    A perfect example is the guy who lost 27 lbs. eating 90% junk! Twinkies, snack cakes, etc. BUT he lowered his overall caloric intake. It was a great experiment (not that anyone should be encouraged to try it) but it goes to show you that it IS about lowering calories and not what the calories are comprised of.
  • Thank you!!! I'm SO sick of hearing about what I need to cut out of my diet. It's not practical - what you do to lose weight should be sustainable for the rest of your life! It's a lifestyle change, not a diet! Calories in vs. calories out. Period.

    A perfect example is the guy who lost 27 lbs. eating 90% junk! Twinkies, snack cakes, etc. BUT he lowered his overall caloric intake. It was a great experiment (not that anyone should be encouraged to try it) but it goes to show you that it IS about lowering calories and not what the calories are comprised of.

    The guy who lost 27 lbs eating 90% junk proved that you can lose WEIGHT but didn't prove that you can lose FAT. The experiment itself was meaningless other than as a novelty... we already know that lowering calorie intake will cause you to lose fat. Simplest proof? Stop eating. You will drop a ton of weight but you will also be sickly and look and feel horrible. Is that what we're after?
  • Mindful_Trent
    Mindful_Trent Posts: 3,954 Member
    Stay away from white bread, white pasta and white rice. All they do is turn to sugar and then turn into fat in your body.

    Although I wholeheartedly agree that a diet free of processed foods (including refined carbs) is healthiest for our bodies, I do not for a minute believe that white bread/pasta/etc. is simply stored as fat in our bodies. The fact is, our bodies break these foods down and either use them as fuel or store them if we are in a calorie excess - the same thing it does with ALL food that we eat. Weight loss comes down to creating a calorie deficit - I could do that by eating hot dogs and M&Ms if I wanted, though it certainly wouldn't be a *healthy* diet.

    We all have to figure out what works best for us - I'm interested in eating a primarily clean diet with very few processed carbs, added sugars, etc., but many people don't want to go that extreme - and they can still be healthy, too.

    To the OP - your intentions were good, but you'll find that strict absolutes like this don't typically go over well on this site. Many people are struggling to figure out what works for them, and telling them that they HAVE to do X, Y and Z isn't necessarily the best way to support them. Most people make progress by taking baby steps, and doing what they can with the energy and resources they have, and gradually making improvements to their diet and exercise habits.
  • jillybeanruns
    jillybeanruns Posts: 1,420 Member
    Losing weight and being healthy are not one in the same.

    Simply put, all you need to lose weight is a calorie deficit.

    Eating/being healthy is a whole different story. It's best to stay away from the "whites" and processed foods and sugars, but most of us can't do that 100% of the time. Eat the healthiest you can and exercise regularly and you'll become healthier.

    It's not always about the # on the scale, well for some of us:noway:

    I would wager that is true for most of us. We all say we want to "lose weight" or "gain weight" but what we REALLY mean is we want to lose FAT or gain MUSCLE.

    You're kidding?! I've been on MFP for just under a year now and I can tell you that most users here want to see a lower number on the scale, it's not about the fat loss/muscle gain at all. You appear to be here to gain muscle, but I can assure you that's not a thought that crosses most people's minds here. People think about muscle definition as they get closer to or reach their goal, but the main goal is the number on the scale now what their body fat% is.

    I'm not advocating eating junk, at all. 90% of my eating is good, but I like sweets...I work out pretty hard as well. It's a good balance for me, but I don't advocate stressing out about every.little.thing that crosses your lips.
  • HealthyChanges2010
    HealthyChanges2010 Posts: 5,831 Member
    :I would wager that is true for most of us. We all say we want to "lose weight" or "gain weight" but what we REALLY mean is we want to lose FAT or gain MUSCLE.

    For me this rings true:drinker:
  • You're kidding?! I've been on MFP for just under a year now and I can tell you that most users here want to see a lower number on the scale, it's not about the fat loss/muscle gain at all. You appear to be here to gain muscle, but I can assure you that's not a thought that crosses most people's minds here. People think about muscle definition as they get closer to or reach their goal, but the main goal is the number on the scale now what their body fat% is.

    I'm not advocating eating junk, at all. 90% of my eating is good, but I like sweets...I work out pretty hard as well. It's a good balance for me, but I don't advocate stressing out about every.little.thing that crosses your lips.

    Why would I be kidding?

    1. Yes, I realize that most members (as well as most people in the general population) are focused on the number on the scale. It makes things simpler and, as you mentioned, that makes it easier to do and stick with. Just because people SAY they want to lose "weight" (and don't distinguish between losing fat/muscle) doesn't mean that is what their actual goal is.

    - Losing 20 lbs of fat = clothes fitting better, looking better in the mirror, health being better.
    - Losing 20 lbs of weight (fat + muscle = clothes fitting slightly better, looking slightly better in the mirror, health being slightly better
    - Losing 20 lbs of muscle = minimal changes in clothes or appearance, health being worse.

    In fact, the lack of a distinction seems to contribute to a lot of misinformation... such as dangerously undereating to drop the "number on the scale". That is an entirely different discussion, however, and I don't want to come off sounding preachier than I already am but I'd be happy to discuss this via private messages.

    2. I have no problems with indulging in sweets from time to time. And I would never demand or expect someone to cut ALL sugars or processed foods out of their lives -- at some point the cons outweigh the pros. At the same time, OP's advice is solid: if you're serious about losing weight, then sugars and empty carbs (i.e., alcohol) are counterproductive to your goals.

    3. To suggest that calories in vs. calories out is all that matters... and pointing out to a person who lost weight on an all-donut diet as an example of such is misleading; it's not a suggestion that should even be considered. I also recognize that there are different degrees of managing a diet:

    - The "big picture": calories in vs. calories out
    - The "slightly less big picture": strength training and cardio
    - The "smaller picture: macro breakdown (carbs/fats/proteins)
    - The "even smaller picture": timing of meals

    And yes, I agree that if you're missing the big picture then the rest don't matter.

    This is getting far too long-winded. So /end for me. Feel free to message me if you want to vent or rant or talk about how stupid you think I am. :wink:
  • I would wager that is true for most of us. We all say we want to "lose weight" or "gain weight" but what we REALLY mean is we want to lose FAT or gain MUSCLE.

    You're kidding?! I've been on MFP for just under a year now and I can tell you that most users here want to see a lower number on the scale, it's not about the fat loss/muscle gain at all. You appear to be here to gain muscle, but I can assure you that's not a thought that crosses most people's minds here. People think about muscle definition as they get closer to or reach their goal, but the main goal is the number on the scale now what their body fat% is.

    I guess that all depends on who is in your circle of MFP friends though! The ppl i have on my friends list are, by and large, VERY much interested in althletic performance gains, whether that means walking further/faster, starting running, doing a half-marathon, getting a 5k personal best, doing more push-ups, etc... Yes, most of them are still trying to lose weight but they are doing it in conjunction with becoming more fit overall. .... So i guess what i am saying is: it depends on who you ask! Looking to lose weight/lose fat and looking to gain muscle/gain performance :)
  • binary_jester
    binary_jester Posts: 3,311 Member
    Stay away from white bread, white pasta and white rice. All they do is turn to sugar and then turn into fat in your body.

    Although I wholeheartedly agree that a diet free of processed foods (including refined carbs) is healthiest for our bodies, I do not for a minute believe that white bread/pasta/etc. is simply stored as fat in our bodies. The fact is, our bodies break these foods down and either use them as fuel or store them if we are in a calorie excess - the same thing it does with ALL food that we eat. Weight loss comes down to creating a calorie deficit - I could do that by eating hot dogs and M&Ms if I wanted, though it certainly wouldn't be a *healthy* diet.

    We all have to figure out what works best for us - I'm interested in eating a primarily clean diet with very few processed carbs, added sugars, etc., but many people don't want to go that extreme - and they can still be healthy, too.

    To the OP - your intentions were good, but you'll find that strict absolutes like this don't typically go over well on this site. Many people are struggling to figure out what works for them, and telling them that they HAVE to do X, Y and Z isn't necessarily the best way to support them. Most people make progress by taking baby steps, and doing what they can with the energy and resources they have, and gradually making improvements to their diet and exercise habits.
    Dang. I was going say basically what you said, but you put it much nicer than I would have.
  • emmyvera
    emmyvera Posts: 599 Member
    wow... this is some discussion. don't have too much to add except my two cents:

    cent #1: i agree that going against carbs, sugar, alcohol, etc is way too extreme and is about impossible. (for me that is) :drinker:

    cent #2: aren't athletes encouraged to eat pasta (carbs) because of how much fuel they are using up? look at michael phelps! :laugh:

    my goal here is to lose a few pounds, BUT most importantly to be healthier and get stronger and gain muscle.
    i will take my vino, because it helps aide in heart health - not everything is so evil.

    good luck everyone :happy:
  • melkneec
    melkneec Posts: 309 Member
    wow..... Thanks everyone for the info.
  • TrainingWithTonya
    TrainingWithTonya Posts: 1,741 Member
    Sugar does not equal fat. I'm so sick of hearing this media hyped, anti-carb, anti-sugar BS. Yes, anything you eat in excess can be stored as fat (dietary fat and protein too!), but carbs aren't likely to if you are working out. All carbohydrates with the sole exception of fiber are broken down to glucose or converted to glucose to be used by the body. It doesn't matter if it is a spoonful of table sugar or HFCS or a piece of whole grain bread or oatmeal or any other "healthy" carb. The difference is that the whole grains contain more fiber, vitamins, and minerals and take longer to break down. But they are still eventually broken down to glucose. That glucose is REQUIRED for energy production during exercise. If you are lifting weights, going very intense with your workouts, or even if you are doing long duration cardio, you have to have glucose breakdown in order to produce ATP. Yes, even low intensity, long duration cardio known as the aerobic system that burns primarily fat, has to have glucose broken down to produce pyruvate to start the Krebs Cycle. So, glucose or glycogen is an absolute necessity in the body in order to exercise, produce red blood cells, and fuel the brain. Guess what? If you don't eat enough carbs, protein can be converted to glucose too! The main problem with that is that then you don't have enough protein to build and repair muscle because you're using it all for fuel.

    If you aren't actively using glucose at the time it is ingested, it is converted to glycogen and stored in the muscles with water, if there is space available in the muscles and there is a perceived need for it. When you workout and burn it and then consume more carbs, the body naturally produces insulin to take glucose out of the blood and put in the muscles. (This is part of what produces that muscle pump that bodybuilders love. BTW) The more you workout and the more intense you workout, the more glycogen the body needs, so therefore the more of it is stored in the muscles and liver. This is a benefit because anything that isn't used by the body as fuel is stored for fuel later. If you are using those muscles and need the glycogen to fuel your activities, then it will store it as glycogen instead of fat.

    So the take home message is to workout, eat a mix of all food groups to fuel the body, quit stressing (because that promotes fat storage and muscle break down), and stop propagating misinformed media BS.
  • TrainingWithTonya
    TrainingWithTonya Posts: 1,741 Member
    Oh, and I forgot alcohol! It's not a carb!!!!! Carbs are 4 calories per gram and alcohol is 7 calories per gram. It is broken down differently in the body then carbs. it is not used for anything productive metabolically. However, there are compounds in red wine that have been shown to be heart healthy. Those same compounds can be found in red grapes, so I'd recommend eating the grapes and getting that fruit sugar to help fuel the body while you're getting your polyphenols. :wink:
  • cupotee
    cupotee Posts: 181 Member
    A Better thread wouldve been "if you're serious about getting healthy," b/c the type of calories u eat (as plenty of ppl have mentioned) has nothing to do with the amy of weight you lose. I can lose more weight on a diet of chocolate and soda than someone eAting spinach and fish, as long as I control my caloric intake. That being said, of course I would need nutrients from my food too. A couple of comments on ur post (which had excellent points): there is no chemical distinction between sucrose (table sugar) and fructose(fruit sugar). Both r hydrolyzed into glucose, the only carb we can directly use. Fruit is beneficial for providing readily absorbable vitamins and minerals, not for its "good sugar." Fruit juice is an excellent source of essentials for people who don't like fruit. 5oz of no sugar added OJ is a great way to start ur nutritional day.

    On refined grains versus whole grains, again there is no difference. Whole wheat bread has more fiber and natural vitamin b but white bread, more often than not is reinforced with the same things. All bread, all grains for that matter, are calorically composed of a mixture of fats and starch (no distinction b/t refined and whole). Starch is starch. Starch, like all coMplex sugars, is eventually broken into glucose which as u pointed out, is in excess stored as fat. doesn't matter if it came from a jolly rancher or a piece of whole wheat multigrain bread.

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    What we can learn from these long boring bio facts is that you can eAt whatever you want as long as you control portions. Chances r that stuffing urself with lean chicken and salad isn't going to stop that snicker bar craving. You'll probably have dinner, eat a bunch of healthier snacks to halt the craving, eat the snickers nyway, and then start an all out binge cuz u broke ur diet anyway. Might as well eat the snickers bar to start with , nutritionally empty as it is. That just reminded me: remember carve (yes simple sugars too) are nutrients and are absolutely necessary for bodily functions.

    But forget all this science. the easiest rule of dieting: if it tastes good, spit it out.
  • Mindful_Trent
    Mindful_Trent Posts: 3,954 Member
    Chances r that stuffing urself with lean chicken and salad isn't going to stop that snicker bar craving. You'll probably have dinner, eat a bunch of healthier snacks to halt the craving, eat the snickers nyway, and then start an all out binge cuz u broke ur diet anyway. Might as well eat the snickers bar to start with , nutritionally empty as it is.
    But forget all this science. the easiest rule of dieting: if it tastes good, spit it out.

    It's unfortunate if you really think this way - maybe you were just being sarcastic? I've found that the more healthy I eat, the LESS I crave sugary, refined treats. The less salt/sugar/processed stuff I eat, the more I realize I enjoy the REAL taste of foods. I LOVE my salad and lean protein for lunch or dinner. If I get enough protein and healthy fats during the day, I'm usually not craving anything and not feeling overly hungry. I think I'll pass on the nutritionally empty Snickers and save those calories for delicious, healthy foods. A healthy diet does not have to be a tasteless, bland or boring diet, and a healthy diet does NOT have to mean you feel deprived. I allow myself an occasional treat, but I've also tried to start finding healthier foods that seem "treat"-like to me. I feel way better after eating a home-made smoothie than I do after eating a candy bar or something like that.
  • HealthyChanges2010
    HealthyChanges2010 Posts: 5,831 Member
    You're kidding?! I've been on MFP for just under a year now and I can tell you that most users here want to see a lower number on the scale, it's not about the fat loss/muscle gain at all. You appear to be here to gain muscle, but I can assure you that's not a thought that crosses most people's minds here. People think about muscle definition as they get closer to or reach their goal, but the main goal is the number on the scale now what their body fat% is.

    I'm not advocating eating junk, at all. 90% of my eating is good, but I like sweets...I work out pretty hard as well. It's a good balance for me, but I don't advocate stressing out about every.little.thing that crosses your lips.

    Why would I be kidding?

    1. Yes, I realize that most members (as well as most people in the general population) are focused on the number on the scale. It makes things simpler and, as you mentioned, that makes it easier to do and stick with. Just because people SAY they want to lose "weight" (and don't distinguish between losing fat/muscle) doesn't mean that is what their actual goal is.

    - Losing 20 lbs of fat = clothes fitting better, looking better in the mirror, health being better.
    - Losing 20 lbs of weight (fat + muscle = clothes fitting slightly better, looking slightly better in the mirror, health being slightly better
    - Losing 20 lbs of muscle = minimal changes in clothes or appearance, health being worse.

    In fact, the lack of a distinction seems to contribute to a lot of misinformation... such as dangerously undereating to drop the "number on the scale". That is an entirely different discussion, however, and I don't want to come off sounding preachier than I already am but I'd be happy to discuss this via private messages.

    2. I have no problems with indulging in sweets from time to time. And I would never demand or expect someone to cut ALL sugars or processed foods out of their lives -- at some point the cons outweigh the pros. At the same time, OP's advice is solid: if you're serious about losing weight, then sugars and empty carbs (i.e., alcohol) are counterproductive to your goals.

    3. To suggest that calories in vs. calories out is all that matters... and pointing out to a person who lost weight on an all-donut diet as an example of such is misleading; it's not a suggestion that should even be considered. I also recognize that there are different degrees of managing a diet:

    - The "big picture": calories in vs. calories out
    - The "slightly less big picture": strength training and cardio
    - The "smaller picture: macro breakdown (carbs/fats/proteins)
    - The "even smaller picture": timing of meals

    And yes, I agree that if you're missing the big picture then the rest don't matter.

    This is getting far too long-winded. So /end for me. Feel free to message me if you want to vent or rant or talk about how stupid you think I am. :wink:
    I like the way you think & put things in perspective!:drinker:
  • Silvergamma
    Silvergamma Posts: 102 Member
    Sugar does not equal fat. I'm so sick of hearing this media hyped, anti-carb, anti-sugar BS. Yes, anything you eat in excess can be stored as fat (dietary fat and protein too!), but carbs aren't likely to if you are working out. All carbohydrates with the sole exception of fiber are broken down to glucose or converted to glucose to be used by the body. It doesn't matter if it is a spoonful of table sugar or HFCS or a piece of whole grain bread or oatmeal or any other "healthy" carb. The difference is that the whole grains contain more fiber, vitamins, and minerals and take longer to break down. But they are still eventually broken down to glucose. That glucose is REQUIRED for energy production during exercise. If you are lifting weights, going very intense with your workouts, or even if you are doing long duration cardio, you have to have glucose breakdown in order to produce ATP. Yes, even low intensity, long duration cardio known as the aerobic system that burns primarily fat, has to have glucose broken down to produce pyruvate to start the Krebs Cycle. So, glucose or glycogen is an absolute necessity in the body in order to exercise, produce red blood cells, and fuel the brain. Guess what? If you don't eat enough carbs, protein can be converted to glucose too! The main problem with that is that then you don't have enough protein to build and repair muscle because you're using it all for fuel.

    If you aren't actively using glucose at the time it is ingested, it is converted to glycogen and stored in the muscles with water, if there is space available in the muscles and there is a perceived need for it. When you workout and burn it and then consume more carbs, the body naturally produces insulin to take glucose out of the blood and put in the muscles. (This is part of what produces that muscle pump that bodybuilders love. BTW) The more you workout and the more intense you workout, the more glycogen the body needs, so therefore the more of it is stored in the muscles and liver. This is a benefit because anything that isn't used by the body as fuel is stored for fuel later. If you are using those muscles and need the glycogen to fuel your activities, then it will store it as glycogen instead of fat.

    So the take home message is to workout, eat a mix of all food groups to fuel the body, quit stressing (because that promotes fat storage and muscle break down), and stop propagating misinformed media BS.

    Science!

    Cellular biology is amazing, and I love this post. You addressed all the issues I have when people start expounding on the evils of carbs. Cells need sugars to function, and the body breaks pretty much everything down into simple sugars because that's what can be easily delivered across the cell membrane. Moderation, portion control, and nutrients ratios are what it's about. Not cutting out whole food groups.
  • MassiveDelta
    MassiveDelta Posts: 3,271 Member
    Stop consuming refined carbohydrates. Stay away from white bread, white pasta and white rice. All they do is turn to sugar and then turn into fat in your body. Stay away from juices. If you want to drink juices, juice your own otherwise don't bother. They're comprised of mostly sugar. Stay away from alcohol, again sugar. Stay away from creamy sauces and dressings as they're very high in fats and especially saturated fats.

    Read and understand labels and ingredients. Anything ending in ose is a sugar. Glucose, fructose, dextrose, et cetera. Syrups, malts and honey are also sugar substitutes. The further down the list sugar or sugar substitutes are listed in the ingredients the better. Try to avoid processed foods but if you must eat them then be sure to check, the sodium content, sugar content and fat content, look for those that are low in all of them.

    Sugar = Fat.
    Refined carbohydrates = Sugar = Fat

    Get the picture?

    If anyone has anything to add, please do.

    The only exception to the sugar rule is real fruits. Those are good sugars. Consume those fresh or frozen(unsweetened only).

    Misinformation is bad I know the OP meant well but lets be careful about oversimplifying.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fructose

    Fructose=Fruit Sugar

    All those "ose" arent bad. Especially in their natural forms Fructose and Glucose are two forms that occur naturally in many foods you eat. Whole natural unprocessed foods.

    Fructose IS NOT High fructose Corn Syrup.... Corn syrup contains fructose but don't confuse the two.

    Additionally there really is nothing wrong with corn syrup in limited quantities. Remember its actually derived from corn. Processed foods aren't bad because they are processed. They are bad because they strip out all the other stuff thats good for you.

    Do you stop eating corn because it contains the chemicals and substances that make corn syrup?
  • Sugar does not equal fat. I'm so sick of hearing this media hyped, anti-carb, anti-sugar BS. Yes, anything you eat in excess can be stored as fat (dietary fat and protein too!), but carbs aren't likely to if you are working out. All carbohydrates with the sole exception of fiber are broken down to glucose or converted to glucose to be used by the body. It doesn't matter if it is a spoonful of table sugar or HFCS or a piece of whole grain bread or oatmeal or any other "healthy" carb. The difference is that the whole grains contain more fiber, vitamins, and minerals and take longer to break down. But they are still eventually broken down to glucose. That glucose is REQUIRED for energy production during exercise. If you are lifting weights, going very intense with your workouts, or even if you are doing long duration cardio, you have to have glucose breakdown in order to produce ATP. Yes, even low intensity, long duration cardio known as the aerobic system that burns primarily fat, has to have glucose broken down to produce pyruvate to start the Krebs Cycle. So, glucose or glycogen is an absolute necessity in the body in order to exercise, produce red blood cells, and fuel the brain. Guess what? If you don't eat enough carbs, protein can be converted to glucose too! The main problem with that is that then you don't have enough protein to build and repair muscle because you're using it all for fuel.

    If you aren't actively using glucose at the time it is ingested, it is converted to glycogen and stored in the muscles with water, if there is space available in the muscles and there is a perceived need for it. When you workout and burn it and then consume more carbs, the body naturally produces insulin to take glucose out of the blood and put in the muscles. (This is part of what produces that muscle pump that bodybuilders love. BTW) The more you workout and the more intense you workout, the more glycogen the body needs, so therefore the more of it is stored in the muscles and liver. This is a benefit because anything that isn't used by the body as fuel is stored for fuel later. If you are using those muscles and need the glycogen to fuel your activities, then it will store it as glycogen instead of fat.

    So the take home message is to workout, eat a mix of all food groups to fuel the body, quit stressing (because that promotes fat storage and muscle break down), and stop propagating misinformed media BS.

    Thank you Tonya for another highly enlightened post.

    I never said to cut out all sugars or carbs. I said to cut out refined carbs and sugars. I would never advocating cutting out carbs or sugars entirely. Unless you're an endurance athlete you don't need to be carb loading or drinking sports drinks to refill your electrolytes, at least that's how I understand it, please correct me if I'm wrong.
  • TrainingWithTonya
    TrainingWithTonya Posts: 1,741 Member
    Reread my post. I'm not talking about carb loading. I'm talking about any exercise needing carbs. Even average, everyday workouts can increase glycogen storage. Yes, endurance athletes store much more glycogen then the average person, but so do bodybuilders. The key to extra glycogen storage instead of fat storage is any exercise.

    As for the complex versus simple sugars, it depends on what you are doing. The only difference in supplying sugar to the body is when that sugar will be available to use. If you are on your way to the gym, that's not the best time for complex carbohydrates as they will take a little while to break down and won't be available to use during that exercise session. Simple sugars are more beneficial for that workout. Caffeine is also an ergogenic aid in exercise, so I will often have a Pepsi before an intense workout. The caffeine helps open the airways and stimulates the nervous systems to increase the metabolic processes and the sugar (yes, even HFCS) provides the added energy to help me get a longer high intensity burst of exercise, so I have a much better workout then if I had something else. If I have a protein shake, for example, I will be sucking wind in the gym and then possibly puke from it taking longer to digest and not leaving the stomach. After exercise, though, complex carbs and protein and even healthy fats are much better because they will break down slower and then be used to replace lost glycogen and repair and rebuild muscles. It is a lot more complex then the "calories in vs. calories out" or "eat this and not that" theories. In reality, it is a mix of all food groups working with your exercise routine to get the most out of your body, even for the average boy or girl next door.
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