Is strength training cardio?

katysmelly

Some times strength training can have a cardio element to it if you keep up a pace that gets your heart rate up consistently.

I think your logic is flawed though. Deadlifting 2x your bodyweight seems like a much greater feat than running a 33 minute 5k.

possibly, but that depends on a few factors, like age, sex, weight. It's taken me about 5 months to work up to ~2x BW deadlift, but running a 5k in that time is impossible for me and would probably take me a long time to get to that

Exactly! I will probably never be able to deadlift 2x my bodyweight, but I ran 5k in 27 minutes shortly after finishing the C25K program.

And no matter how long I lift heavy or train for running, I will probably never be good at swimming laps. LOL

SoLongAndThanksForAllTheFish

Some times strength training can have a cardio element to it if you keep up a pace that gets your heart rate up consistently.

I think your logic is flawed though. Deadlifting 2x your bodyweight seems like a much greater feat than running a 33 minute 5k.

possibly, but that depends on a few factors, like age, sex, weight. It's taken me about 5 months to work up to ~2x BW deadlift, but running a 5k in that time is impossible for me and would probably take me a long time to get to that

Meh, there are plenty of young novices with little to no training that can run that pace, but few young novices will go into the gym and start deadlifting over twice their bodyweight immediately. In fact it used to be a fitness test minimum speed in school to run a mile in a much faster pace than that, and you cant even pass Army standards at 62 years old on a 2 mile run at that pace...

Running speed for long distance is predominantly about bodyfat % with a reasonable minimal conditioning, an obese person can similarly be proud of how much water they displace when getting into a hot tub...

tomcornhole

Do you wanna cookie

Kind of you to offer, but what I really want is a Big Mac.

SoLongAndThanksForAllTheFish

Looks like you got a "C" from Runner's World. I'd say the dead lift over 2x body weight is definitely a bigger achievement

Runner's World Age Graded Calculator

Your Gender Male
Your Age 48
Race Distance 5k
Race Time 33:40:00

Results

Age-Graded Score 0.72%
Age-Graded Time 29:55:23

Your age-graded score is the ratio of the approximate world-record time for your age and gender divided by your actual time.

To score 100% you would need a time of 14:31

tomcornhole

Looks like you got a "C" from Runner's World. I'd say the dead lift over 2x body weight is definitely a bigger achievement

Runner's World Age Graded Calculator

Your Gender Male
Your Age 48
Race Distance 5k
Race Time 33:40:00

Results

Age-Graded Score 0.72%
Age-Graded Time 29:55:23

Your age-graded score is the ratio of the approximate world-record time for your age and gender divided by your actual time.

To score 100% you would need a time of 14:31

I used their calculator and got an F. 48 yo male 5k time 28:39 (that was my time this morning):


Age-Graded Score 50.66%
Age-Graded Time 25:28

I like yours better. But I think you entered 33:40:00 which would result in the numbers you posted. But that's 33 hours, 40 minutes, 0 seconds. I might be able to do a marathon in that time.

That's equivalent to a 290 lbs DL for me. Not that impressive, to be sure.

To match my 480 deadlift @ 198 body weight, I would have to run a 17 minute 5k. I concede my original hypothesis is invalid.

ninerbuff

Gonna say no.

Two different types of muscle are being used. For strength, it's fast twitch. For endurance, it's slow twitch. Resistance, lactic acid build up and oxygen use will help to dictate which muscle type you're using.

Long distance runners and sprinters both use oxygen and run. But sprinters do EXLOSIVE running while long distance runners don't. Different muscle types are being used. And you can also usually see it in their physiques.

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SoLongAndThanksForAllTheFish

Looks like you got a "C" from Runner's World. I'd say the dead lift over 2x body weight is definitely a bigger achievement

Runner's World Age Graded Calculator

Your Gender Male
Your Age 48
Race Distance 5k
Race Time 33:40:00

Results

Age-Graded Score 0.72%
Age-Graded Time 29:55:23

Your age-graded score is the ratio of the approximate world-record time for your age and gender divided by your actual time.

To score 100% you would need a time of 14:31

I used their calculator and got an F. 48 yo male 5k time 28:39 (that was my time this morning):


Age-Graded Score 50.66%
Age-Graded Time 25:28

I like yours better. But I think you entered 33:40:00 which would result in the numbers you posted. But that's 33 hours, 40 minutes, 0 seconds. I might be able to do a marathon in that time.

That's equivalent to a 290 lbs DL for me. Not that impressive, to be sure.

To match my 480 deadlift @ 198 body weight, I would have to run a 17 minute 5k. I concede my original hypothesis is invalid.

Oops, you are right, can you tell I'm not a runner? But yeah, I think the deadlift x2 bodyweight is much more of a standard and more impressive than your 5k.

Comparing just anyone's time on a 5k or 10k is like comparing just anyone's dead lift, and most thin people with low bodyfat % will have a relatively OK to good number on a long distance race, just like most 350lbers will have a relatively OK to impressive looking deadlift if you just take raw numbers with minimal training.

I don't really equate 5k or 10k to just general "aerobic" fitness either, that's specialized long distance running. As you stretch out the distance, humans can even compete with horses, so does that make horses "not as aerobically fit"? Even just with humans, the more muscle mass you have in the upper body, and the "fitter" someone is in this way, the lower you are going to "score" on the long distance running. Just imagine Arnold running a 10k... Even Bolt is going to start to suffer on a 5 or 10k, and you can't say he's not aerobically fit.

So I wasnt really saying your hypothesis is invalid, just the comparison was bad, and that there are different types of aerobically fit. Yes you are getting some aerobic fitness with weightlifting, for shorter duration aerobic activities. If you want to compare long distance aerobic fitness, probably only your bodyfat reduction is "helping" you, and muscle gain from lifting is "hurting" you.

tomcornhole

In case anyone is still following this defective thread I pulled 5x390 yesterday which is 2x body weight. I ran a 26:50 5k this morning.

Capt_Apollo

interesting how the more you run, the better your times seem to get.

must be from lifting.

tomcornhole

I deserved that.