What is running protocol for dogs?
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When we start applying the same rights to animals that we do to humans, the whole world is going nuts. Seriously. Bat-*kitten* crazy.0
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Dogs are not people, but they are part of families. yes everyone should have control over there dogs at all times, doesn't mean a door isn't left open on accident or a leash isn't dropped by accident, **** happens. If one of my dogs got kicked, I would defend my dog.
But not only that, where is the intelligence is kicking a dog? If it is a little dog that is cruel as you could very easily kill the dog. If it is a big dog you are just putting yourself at risk. If someone kicks you, what do you do? Fight back?? Well what is a dog going to do, especially an aggressive dog, aggressive like some of the posters on this site.
I feel for the people with a fear of dogs, and my dogs will always be in control. But I also would never kick someone else dog if I knew of a better way to handle it, like the many decent suggestions on here from some people.
Start thinking of other people. Worried that we are giving rights to humans? how about treating others with decency and not intentionally hurting their pet if there is another way around it...0 -
I believe the whole point of this thread, and the majority of the comments if you bothered to read them, were finding another way around it. Kicking any animal would obviously not be the first choice for most people.
And yes, pets are a very important part of the family. I did not say otherwise. I respect peoples' love for their animals and have had many in my life, including dogs. I also have a child. No matter how you look at it, they are not the same thing.
What I take exception to is the comments such as "should I kick your kid"? That is an unintelligent and absolutely ridiculous comment, and totally irrelevant to this thread. It implies that the consequences for defending onseself against a dog which is approaching in a perceived threatening manner is comparable to kicking a child who is misbehaving. Before lobbing personal attacks against one's character, try seeing both sides of the argument with intelligence rather than emotion. This was a relatively respectful debate before you came along.0 -
I love animals, including dogs. But I'm terrified of getting attacked by one while walking or jogging too. We've had one or two cases of people jogging in the neighborhood and loose dogs doing a real number on them. The last time a dog jumped on me, I didn't know what to do except hit it. It was my neighbor's LARGE german shepherd akita mix named GODZILLA. I hit it hard under it's jaw and it squealed and ran away. The neighbor threatened to call the cops on me... I'm like...what for? It knocked me over and was growling on my property =/ I always keep a knife on me too when I'm jogging. If I had a gun, I'd keep that. Might sound extreme but I live in an area with lots of animals. And there's always the chance of a not-so-pleasant person approaching too.0
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I have 8 dogs.... that I absolutely adore and I would never allow them to harass a person. I may know that my dogs are harmless to me but they are animals and you never know what they will do to someone or something that they don't know. If my dogs got out of our fence (we have a double fence) and harassed a jogger and got kicked, that would be MY FAULT for not securing my dog.
That having been said. I do carry a big stick when I go walking up the road, not only to protect myself but also protect my on leash dog. Pepper spray also works as well and honestly I would have no qualms about using it. I have no tolerance for badly behaved out of control dogs - ZERO
Like I said I have eight dogs that we show and complete with in obedience and other venues and my attitude is that it is dogs that are running lose and their owners who don't contain them or clean up after them that cause problems for the rest of us.0 -
I have no fear of dogs, I grew up with them and my parents raised them. We have owned labs. Our first until she died of cancer and we have our current one who is 3. Both weigh in the 65-75lbs weight range, they are big for a family dog but great.
You can count me in the group with people who have NO problem with kicking an attacking dog, as well as poking it in the face/eyes with your first/fingers.
I am here today because that is exactly what I did when I was attacked by a large breed dog (a pit but I would have reacted the same way to a ankle biter size doggie) about 9 months ago.
Here is what I was always taught to do when a dog is charging AT you and you know you are going to be bitten. I told the animal control officer what I did and she told me that I had done everything RIGHT and that's why I came away unharmed except for some bruising on my shins from kicking the dog.
Do NOT run, don't turn your back no matter how scared you are.
Crouch down into a nice fighting stance with your legs spread to give you better balance in case you do get hit and get your hands up just as if you are going to box.
YELL as loud as you can. This should NOT be a problem. I screamed soo loud out of shear fear!
If the dog continues to charge you, kick it in the side of the head as it goes to bite you and swing to hit it with your fists in the eyes or anywhere else that might cause damage. Remember, it's you or the dog and YOU are out matched.
When I kicked the dog, the force spun me around to fact 180 degrees from where we started. The dog rounded quickly and charged me 2 more times for a total of three all together before running off into it's yard after it's owner (who could have cared less) decided to get off her phone and get her dogs attention. Her only response for when I said Your dog attacked and almost bit me, was to say, "He wasn't going to bite you!!!" and then slammed the door to her house.
As far as pepper spray, my husband is a city sheriff and the animal control officer agreed, pepper spray will NOT always stop a charging dog. Sadly, this is why officers shoot attacking dogs, it's what they are trained to do.
You best defense is to be on the lookout and to know how to properly defend yourself should you be attacked. It made all the difference in my case. It could have been much worse and this dog could have easily mauled me to death, he was huge, an easy 100lbs to my 140lbs.0 -
Not exactly jogging related, but I did have these friends with several "free range" dogs on their property. Once I went over to visit and the pit bull mix cornered me against my car and was nipping, almost biting me. I just screamed until someone heard me. They didn't think it was a big deal and recommended that I "learn how to act" 'around their dogs. I never went over their again.
On my usual jogging route, there's a schnauzer who always barks at me and starts to follow behind. All I have to do is LOOK at him and he yips and runs from me as fast as possible. So now I just ignore him and let him think that he's 'chasing' the big, bad human away. Schnauzers are some of the worst, by the way.
Also, it's generally a good rule of thumb that a dog that's barking at you is not going to bite you.0 -
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1452908-question-what-would-you-do
I asked a similar question the other day. On the second page there are links to a wiki on what to do about dogs approaching you or attacking you. I found it very helpful and it really eased my mind. I feel safer knowing exactly what to do now. I hope it will help you too.0 -
I live in the country (no leash law) and walk with my husky who wouldn't hurt a fly BUT he is on a leash at all times. I don't want someone else getting scared by him! There is a dog on our street that I was worried about at first it will run out of its hard and follow us for a bit then pee on the other side of the road and go home- luckily I can tell my dog "no" and "leave it" and we are on our way. As a kid riding bikes we always grabbed some rocks up so we could throw towards any aggressive dogs that came out.0
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I have no fear of dogs, I grew up with them and my parents raised them. We have owned labs. Our first until she died of cancer and we have our current one who is 3. Both weigh in the 65-75lbs weight range, they are big for a family dog but great.
You can count me in the group with people who have NO problem with kicking an attacking dog, as well as poking it in the face/eyes with your first/fingers.
I am here today because that is exactly what I did when I was attacked by a large breed dog (a pit but I would have reacted the same way to a ankle biter size doggie) about 9 months ago.
Here is what I was always taught to do when a dog is charging AT you and you know you are going to be bitten. I told the animal control officer what I did and she told me that I had done everything RIGHT and that's why I came away unharmed except for some bruising on my shins from kicking the dog.
Do NOT run, don't turn your back no matter how scared you are.
Crouch down into a nice fighting stance with your legs spread to give you better balance in case you do get hit and get your hands up just as if you are going to box.
YELL as loud as you can. This should NOT be a problem. I screamed soo loud out of shear fear!
If the dog continues to charge you, kick it in the side of the head as it goes to bite you and swing to hit it with your fists in the eyes or anywhere else that might cause damage. Remember, it's you or the dog and YOU are out matched.
When I kicked the dog, the force spun me around to fact 180 degrees from where we started. The dog rounded quickly and charged me 2 more times for a total of three all together before running off into it's yard after it's owner (who could have cared less) decided to get off her phone and get her dogs attention. Her only response for when I said Your dog attacked and almost bit me, was to say, "He wasn't going to bite you!!!" and then slammed the door to her house.
As far as pepper spray, my husband is a city sheriff and the animal control officer agreed, pepper spray will NOT always stop a charging dog. Sadly, this is why officers shoot attacking dogs, it's what they are trained to do.
You best defense is to be on the lookout and to know how to properly defend yourself should you be attacked. It made all the difference in my case. It could have been much worse and this dog could have easily mauled me to death, he was huge, an easy 100lbs to my 140lbs.
That is terrifying, glad it turned out okay. By the logic of some posters in this thread, you should have just assumed the dog was nice, because that's what its owner thought.0 -
I walk my dog every day and have had large loose dogs approach me. The dog will usually retreat if I confront it. I will usually stand my ground and tell it to go away. That usually does the trick. However, I'm not afraid of dogs, so this may not work for you…
Mace or a stick would do the trick. Don't try to kick or punch the dog like other people here have mentioned because it will prompt the dog to bite your hand or leg. You could hold out the stick in front of you if the dog is being aggressive. That would probably tell it that you're not a submissive "dog" and it won't bother fighting you. If it's always the same dog approaching you and is acting aggressive, call the bylaw officer and see if there is something they can do. You shouldn't have to put up with that.
You can also adjust your route.0 -
That dog is long gone. In 15 years, never bit anyone. I continued to let him run where it was allowed. Never was an issue.
Not saying that some dogs shouldn't be put on leads at all times, owners have ultimate responsiblities0 -
By the logic of some posters in this thread, you should have just assumed the dog was nice, because that's what its owner thought.
It's more a question of recognising the indicators and what they're telling you, that informs the response. That said, recognising that some people have a rational (as the originator), or irrational, fear of dogs that precludes making a decision based on the dogs behaviours, and in that sense it is incumbent on the owner or handler to reduce the risk to the animal by keeping it under control.
If it's demonstrating friendly or playful indicators, then just keep clear of it. If it's demonstrating defensive or protective indicators, then again act in a way that reduces their feelings of fear or defensiveness. In the first instance that's about making sure there is adequate space, and taking charge of the situation with verbal commands and body language..
If that fails, then there are more effective ways to subdue a dog than kicking it, as I described upthread.
Using some fairly straightforward techniques it's entirely possible to take down a properly trained attack or pursuit dog, although none of the scenarios posited in this thread suggest trained dogs.
If a dog is behaving in an actively hostile way, and doesn't appear to be defending boundaries or similar, then generally I'd suggest using some form of tool to maintain distance. Whether that is a stick or something similar. Kicking or hitting is just stupid, because that puts parts of the body that could fit in the mouth within reach of the dog, unless it's the only option available, in which case, as described above it's safest to go for the side of the head, or the top between the eyes. A dog big enough to be a credible threat will generally have a thicker skull than a human so mostly that's just doing to daze them, rather than kill them. Dazing them is enough as it gives the opportunity to get clear.
All that said, and mainly because it's already come up in the thread, the most effective way to deal with a properly trained attack or pursuit dog is a 9mm pacifier. Not nice to have to do it, but while most dogs will back off from a dominant position, or if physically defended against, a trained dog won't back down.
Of course it's again different if one is dealing with fighting dogs, personally I'd quite happily kneecap people who train their dogs for fighting as some of the techniques to encourage aggression in them are horrible. Some can be rehabilitated, some can't. Dogs that have been used as bait training frequently have an excessive fear of other dogs that can affect their behaviour around others, particularly yappy ones.
fwiw my Bengal will do more damage, more quickly, than dogs three times her size.0
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