Is weight lifting 4 weight loss becoming the new Myth?
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Honestly I diet for weight loss. I do body weight for fitness and I kinda enjoy the whole jelly limbs feeling it makes me feel like I'm doing something, note it takes 4 miles of any kind of cardio to feel this. I don't do cardio because frankly I don't enjoy feeling like I'm about to have an asthma attack. This doesn't mean that given access to an elliptical and a tv I wont break out the inhaler, find my favorite afternoon program, and proceed to do my thing for next 30 min to an hour, so long as it isn't a strength day my legs would hate me otherwise.0
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I think a few people are being unnecessarily defensive and assuming the OP made an across the board assault on weight lifting. Especially some who said they didn't even read it.
Well, someone in this thread didn't read it ...0 -
I think a few people are being unnecessarily defensive and assuming the OP made an across the board assault on weight lifting. Especially some who said they didn't even read it.
I think the question the OP asked is a legitimate one. Is lifting for loss the new 'myth'? You don't need to be a fitness expert or a long time lifter or have a lot of weight loss to have your ear to the ground on this. In fact, those new to changes to diet and exercise may hear it more often as people are constantly trying to give them advice. And as somebody said the other day, come January all the beliefs will come flooding in.
And if there's one thing nearly everyone on MFP can agree on, its that there is a LOT of bad advice out there.
So as I read the question, and a few of the sentences, I heard your question. Is this the new rage in diet advice: lift and you'll be skinny? Fair question, allowing people to chime in whether or not they keep hearing this. But, OP, you lost me, and clearly many others, through the rest. Your question got lost and muddied in a long statement that lifting is not good for weight loss. Why ask one question if you're only going to answer a different question?
The problem with that analysis is that I don't know anyone saying "lift and you'll be skinny" or even "lift weight because it burns all teh caloriez!" For the OP to have a point that such a statement is a myth, people would have to actually be making such statements in the first place. I know a lot of people that advocate lifting weights as part of weight loss; I don't know anyone who distills it down to such a basic level as "lift and you'll be skinny" or "lift and you will lose weight." Rather, in pretty much every place I've seen people give advice to lift weights, they explain that weight lifting aids in achieving a favorable body composition while dieting (this is well known and not a myth) and some mention that it's nice to be strong and confident (two other nice side-effects of weight lifting). There's no myth present when the advice to lift weights is qualified in this fashion.
Not to mention, some of the strongest men on this planet are also pretty fat.0 -
You have been a member a month and suddenly your the expert. My advice is to get ofvthe internet and hit the road doing your cardio. Leave others to their own methods.:flowerforyou:
Um. Read his profile. He's lost more than 100lb. You... ?
That doesn't mean he did it the best/most efficient way. It means he found something that he could stick to, which is great, but maybe he could have been a lower BF% at this weight had he lifted the whole time.
Whenever one of the "regulars" gives advice to a newbie, you often hear "look at my ticker" or "it worked for me," with the implication being that their wisdom is self-evident.
When a poster mentions something counter to the "community," and someone else discusses his achievement, you get "oh, well he probably didn't lose it the right way."
I love this place.0 -
If weight lifting is the magic answer, I'm totally screwed and will be fat forever. I absolutely loathe the idea of lifting weights. Oh, well.0
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If weight lifting is the magic answer, I'm totally screwed and will be fat forever. I absolutely loathe the idea of lifting weights. Oh, well.
No.
All that is need to lose weight is a caloric deficit.
(I should have inserted the sarcasm font...lol)0 -
"Is weight lifting 4 weight loss becoming the new Myth?"
No, it is not a myth. It is fact. Strength training & deficit = weight loss (yes, without cardio).
Didn't read further, just wanted to answer the OP question... I can see this thread being a never ending worm hole of frustration if that is what people really think. Lol0 -
You have been a member a month and suddenly your the expert. My advice is to get ofvthe internet and hit the road doing your cardio. Leave others to their own methods.:flowerforyou:
Um. Read his profile. He's lost more than 100lb. You... ?
That doesn't mean he did it the best/most efficient way. It means he found something that he could stick to, which is great, but maybe he could have been a lower BF% at this weight had he lifted the whole time.
Whenever one of the "regulars" gives advice to a newbie, you often hear "look at my ticker" or "it worked for me," with the implication being that their wisdom is self-evident.
When a poster mentions something counter to the "community," and someone else discusses his achievement, you get "oh, well he probably didn't lose it the right way."
I love this place.
And if a regular tells you to listen to him simply because of his ticker, you should call him out on practicing broscience as much as a forum newbie who claims he's right simply because he's had weight loss success in the past.0 -
"Is weight lifting 4 weight loss becoming the new Myth?"
No, it is not a myth. It is fact. Strength training & deficit = weight loss (yes, without cardio).
Didn't read further, just wanted to answer the OP question... I can see this thread being a never ending worm hole of frustration if that is what people really think. Lol
Yes...in the same way that hopping on one foot & deficit + weight loss (yes without strength training).
The only thing that causes weight loss is being at a deficit. Any form of exercise...movement...activity is only an aid in this.
The type of exercise that we do should be selected to achieve what our goals are. If you want mobility...walk...run...hop...whatever it takes to keep you moving. If you want to be able to pick things up...move things around...then pick up things that will keep you strong.
If all you want to do is lose weight...well...just eat at a deficit.0 -
I think a few people are being unnecessarily defensive and assuming the OP made an across the board assault on weight lifting. Especially some who said they didn't even read it.
I think the question the OP asked is a legitimate one. Is lifting for loss the new 'myth'? You don't need to be a fitness expert or a long time lifter or have a lot of weight loss to have your ear to the ground on this. In fact, those new to changes to diet and exercise may hear it more often as people are constantly trying to give them advice. And as somebody said the other day, come January all the beliefs will come flooding in.
And if there's one thing nearly everyone on MFP can agree on, its that there is a LOT of bad advice out there.
So as I read the question, and a few of the sentences, I heard your question. Is this the new rage in diet advice: lift and you'll be skinny? Fair question, allowing people to chime in whether or not they keep hearing this. But, OP, you lost me, and clearly many others, through the rest. Your question got lost and muddied in a long statement that lifting is not good for weight loss. Why ask one question if you're only going to answer a different question?
The problem with that analysis is that I don't know anyone saying "lift and you'll be skinny" or even "lift weight because it burns all teh caloriez!" For the OP to have a point that such a statement is a myth, people would have to actually be making such statements in the first place. I know a lot of people that advocate lifting weights as part of weight loss; I don't know anyone who distills it down to such a basic level as "lift and you'll be skinny" or "lift and you will lose weight." Rather, in pretty much every place I've seen people give advice to lift weights, they explain that weight lifting aids in achieving a favorable body composition while dieting (this is well known and not a myth) and some mention that it's nice to be strong and confident (two other nice side-effects of weight lifting). There's no myth present when the advice to lift weights is qualified in this fashion.
Not to mention, some of the strongest men on this planet are also pretty fat.
I think you're proving my point. If the OP stayed on target with his question, we could figure out if such advice is a/the new myth. You've just provided a valuable data point. You don't know anyone advocating that kind of result. If you've never heard anyone advocating that lifting alone will be the key to weight loss, then there are likely also others who have never heard such things. And so your answer could have been, "hardly the myth, I've never heard anyone say such a ridiculous thing; rather, I've heard people give qualified advice as to the specific benefits of lifting for other reasons." Or at least that could have been the question and answer. Until the OP went all kinds of school teacher in the rest of his ramble....
I personally have heard it, and with some frequency. "All you need to do is lift really heavy- get your muscles warmed up and they will burn massive (!!) calories all day long well after you are done, more than anybody could eat."
When you start a lifestyle change and others know about it, there can be so much bad advice given. Many of us have received a lot of it. I have seen the advice given out in forums as well, though I've also seen it quickly dismantled by people with a better understanding of caloric effect. And so I could have contributed, "I think the myth exists, some people believe it and they spread it. But I don't know how prevalent it is. It is certainly not the most common myth I've heard, so I wouldn't call it the new big Myth."
My point is that if the OP had framed it better, it was a straight-forward question and could have been a poll or discussion about how many people have heard others advising such a thing. Instead, his lengthy post didn't really focus on that as a question, but rather went on about other things.0 -
"Is weight lifting 4 weight loss becoming the new Myth?"
No, it is not a myth. It is fact. Strength training & deficit = weight loss (yes, without cardio).
Yes...in the same way that hopping on one foot & deficit + weight loss (yes without strength training).
The only thing that causes weight loss is being at a deficit. Any form of exercise...movement...activity is only an aid in this.
The type of exercise that we do should be selected to achieve what our goals are. If you want mobility...walk...run...hop...whatever it takes to keep you moving. If you want to be able to pick things up...move things around...then pick up things that will keep you strong.
If all you want to do is lose weight...well...just eat at a deficit.
... But he didn't say "Is hopping on one foot 4 weight loss becoming the new Myth?". I just answered his question, although you are 100% correct also. :happy:0 -
Darnit, I really hate weight lifting. But I will concede it is necessary LOL
I just find it so boring and tedious...I don't know why...I prefer the "high,' and elevated heart rate of cardio exercise.
So, do I really have to join a gym now, or is doing P90X and body weight exercises enough??0 -
I like a good balance. I eat at a deficit to lose weight. I do cardio to burn calories and increase that deficit as well as make my body stronger. I lift weight to make sure that any weight I'm losing is fat and not muscle and to make my body stronger. I don't want to just be slimmer I want to be STRONGER and lifting weights really helps with both.0
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I know plenty of people who do tons of cardio, they are skinny, look like they are malnourished, most complain of joint pain, and you flat out would not even associated them with health and fitness passing them on the street. If I wanted to look like I don't exercise or was health minded I would do tons of cardio, fact of the matter is I did minimal cardio dropping 115 pounds in a year, because I weight train. But do whatever you want to do, I choose to be the strongest version of myself, not the lightest weakest version of myself.
Yeah, 'cause if I passed Paula Radcliffe or Mo Farah in the street, my first thought, looking at their bodies, would be that they have no association with fitness.
Same as those people I saw doing an iron man when I was walking up Ben Nevis. They had swam 3 miles in the Forth Estuary, cycled 150 miles and then ran up Ben Nevis and back down again. They looked like ghosts, they did. So frail and weak.
I'm not adverse to weight lifting, I do it myself, but what a deeply stupid thing to say.0 -
You have seen someone say lifting burns more cals than anyone could eat? Was it on this site? Do you have a link, because that need so be refuted with great conviction!I think a few people are being unnecessarily defensive and assuming the OP made an across the board assault on weight lifting. Especially some who said they didn't even read it.
I think the question the OP asked is a legitimate one. Is lifting for loss the new 'myth'? You don't need to be a fitness expert or a long time lifter or have a lot of weight loss to have your ear to the ground on this. In fact, those new to changes to diet and exercise may hear it more often as people are constantly trying to give them advice. And as somebody said the other day, come January all the beliefs will come flooding in.
And if there's one thing nearly everyone on MFP can agree on, its that there is a LOT of bad advice out there.
So as I read the question, and a few of the sentences, I heard your question. Is this the new rage in diet advice: lift and you'll be skinny? Fair question, allowing people to chime in whether or not they keep hearing this. But, OP, you lost me, and clearly many others, through the rest. Your question got lost and muddied in a long statement that lifting is not good for weight loss. Why ask one question if you're only going to answer a different question?
The problem with that analysis is that I don't know anyone saying "lift and you'll be skinny" or even "lift weight because it burns all teh caloriez!" For the OP to have a point that such a statement is a myth, people would have to actually be making such statements in the first place. I know a lot of people that advocate lifting weights as part of weight loss; I don't know anyone who distills it down to such a basic level as "lift and you'll be skinny" or "lift and you will lose weight." Rather, in pretty much every place I've seen people give advice to lift weights, they explain that weight lifting aids in achieving a favorable body composition while dieting (this is well known and not a myth) and some mention that it's nice to be strong and confident (two other nice side-effects of weight lifting). There's no myth present when the advice to lift weights is qualified in this fashion.
Not to mention, some of the strongest men on this planet are also pretty fat.
I think you're proving my point. If the OP stayed on target with his question, we could figure out if such advice is a/the new myth. You've just provided a valuable data point. You don't know anyone advocating that kind of result. If you've never heard anyone advocating that lifting alone will be the key to weight loss, then there are likely also others who have never heard such things. And so your answer could have been, "hardly the myth, I've never heard anyone say such a ridiculous thing; rather, I've heard people give qualified advice as to the specific benefits of lifting for other reasons." Or at least that could have been the question and answer. Until the OP went all kinds of school teacher in the rest of his ramble....
I personally have heard it, and with some frequency. "All you need to do is lift really heavy- get your muscles warmed up and they will burn massive (!!) calories all day long well after you are done, more than anybody could eat."
When you start a lifestyle change and others know about it, there can be so much bad advice given. Many of us have received a lot of it. I have seen the advice given out in forums as well, though I've also seen it quickly dismantled by people with a better understanding of caloric effect. And so I could have contributed, "I think the myth exists, some people believe it and they spread it. But I don't know how prevalent it is. It is certainly not the most common myth I've heard, so I wouldn't call it the new big Myth."
My point is that if the OP had framed it better, it was a straight-forward question and could have been a poll or discussion about how many people have heard others advising such a thing. Instead, his lengthy post didn't really focus on that as a question, but rather went on about other things.0 -
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Anyway, we can lift weights while maintaining weight, gaining weight or losing weight...... but if we're in a deficit we will lose weight regardless of what we do...not that complicated really.0
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You are over-complicating this way too much. To lose weight, you figure out what your approximate daily calorie needs are, and you eat less than that or use exercise to get below that daily calorie need number should it be needed. It is that simple.
If you desire to build muscle you MUST be in a caloric surplus. No more than 300 calories over your daily needs, any more will just be stored as fat deposits.
If you do all your weight loss doing strictly cardio, you are going to have the body of an emaciated 12 year old when you get done losing all the fat, not to mention the functional strength level of your upper body will be pitiful.
Muscle fills out your frame and weight lifting generally makes you healthier. You will have increased bone density, reduced chance of injury because muscle helps absorb damage and shock to your joints and ligaments, and not to mention no risk of repetitive motion injuries you get doing hours of boring cardio work.
Your workouts should consist of a mix of cardio and weights. Cardio keeps your lungs healthy and builds aerobic stamina, weights build strength, anerobic stamina, and help you look better.0 -
I weight train and while I'm working out I am also getting a great cardiovascular work-out as well. I minimize my rest times and do a circuit style workout so while one part is resting, I am working on another body part. I'm telling you my heart is pumping as fast and hard as when I'm on the treadmill. Just sayin', it's possible to get both at once.0
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You have seen someone say lifting burns more cals than anyone could eat? Was it on this site? Do you have a link, because that need so be refuted with great conviction!I think a few people are being unnecessarily defensive and assuming the OP made an across the board assault on weight lifting. Especially some who said they didn't even read it.
I think the question the OP asked is a legitimate one. Is lifting for loss the new 'myth'? You don't need to be a fitness expert or a long time lifter or have a lot of weight loss to have your ear to the ground on this. In fact, those new to changes to diet and exercise may hear it more often as people are constantly trying to give them advice. And as somebody said the other day, come January all the beliefs will come flooding in.
And if there's one thing nearly everyone on MFP can agree on, its that there is a LOT of bad advice out there.
So as I read the question, and a few of the sentences, I heard your question. Is this the new rage in diet advice: lift and you'll be skinny? Fair question, allowing people to chime in whether or not they keep hearing this. But, OP, you lost me, and clearly many others, through the rest. Your question got lost and muddied in a long statement that lifting is not good for weight loss. Why ask one question if you're only going to answer a different question?
The problem with that analysis is that I don't know anyone saying "lift and you'll be skinny" or even "lift weight because it burns all teh caloriez!" For the OP to have a point that such a statement is a myth, people would have to actually be making such statements in the first place. I know a lot of people that advocate lifting weights as part of weight loss; I don't know anyone who distills it down to such a basic level as "lift and you'll be skinny" or "lift and you will lose weight." Rather, in pretty much every place I've seen people give advice to lift weights, they explain that weight lifting aids in achieving a favorable body composition while dieting (this is well known and not a myth) and some mention that it's nice to be strong and confident (two other nice side-effects of weight lifting). There's no myth present when the advice to lift weights is qualified in this fashion.
Not to mention, some of the strongest men on this planet are also pretty fat.
I think you're proving my point. If the OP stayed on target with his question, we could figure out if such advice is a/the new myth. You've just provided a valuable data point. You don't know anyone advocating that kind of result. If you've never heard anyone advocating that lifting alone will be the key to weight loss, then there are likely also others who have never heard such things. And so your answer could have been, "hardly the myth, I've never heard anyone say such a ridiculous thing; rather, I've heard people give qualified advice as to the specific benefits of lifting for other reasons." Or at least that could have been the question and answer. Until the OP went all kinds of school teacher in the rest of his ramble....
I personally have heard it, and with some frequency. "All you need to do is lift really heavy- get your muscles warmed up and they will burn massive (!!) calories all day long well after you are done, more than anybody could eat."
When you start a lifestyle change and others know about it, there can be so much bad advice given. Many of us have received a lot of it. I have seen the advice given out in forums as well, though I've also seen it quickly dismantled by people with a better understanding of caloric effect. And so I could have contributed, "I think the myth exists, some people believe it and they spread it. But I don't know how prevalent it is. It is certainly not the most common myth I've heard, so I wouldn't call it the new big Myth."
My point is that if the OP had framed it better, it was a straight-forward question and could have been a poll or discussion about how many people have heard others advising such a thing. Instead, his lengthy post didn't really focus on that as a question, but rather went on about other things.
I have definitely seen people say that all you need to do is lift weights to lose weight. There are people in this thread already that have said it, but they also said you need a deficit, which is the part I think a lot of people gloss over, because it's a given. Of course you need to eat in a deficit to lose weight! Many, many people, though, say you don't need any cardio, but you absolutely need to lift, if you want to lose fat. And this is pretty much regarded as correct, right?0 -
The myth is one being better than the other. Do both. Enjoy.
This.0 -
You have seen someone say lifting burns more cals than anyone could eat? Was it on this site? Do you have a link, because that need so be refuted with great conviction!I think a few people are being unnecessarily defensive and assuming the OP made an across the board assault on weight lifting. Especially some who said they didn't even read it.
I think the question the OP asked is a legitimate one. Is lifting for loss the new 'myth'? You don't need to be a fitness expert or a long time lifter or have a lot of weight loss to have your ear to the ground on this. In fact, those new to changes to diet and exercise may hear it more often as people are constantly trying to give them advice. And as somebody said the other day, come January all the beliefs will come flooding in.
And if there's one thing nearly everyone on MFP can agree on, its that there is a LOT of bad advice out there.
So as I read the question, and a few of the sentences, I heard your question. Is this the new rage in diet advice: lift and you'll be skinny? Fair question, allowing people to chime in whether or not they keep hearing this. But, OP, you lost me, and clearly many others, through the rest. Your question got lost and muddied in a long statement that lifting is not good for weight loss. Why ask one question if you're only going to answer a different question?
The problem with that analysis is that I don't know anyone saying "lift and you'll be skinny" or even "lift weight because it burns all teh caloriez!" For the OP to have a point that such a statement is a myth, people would have to actually be making such statements in the first place. I know a lot of people that advocate lifting weights as part of weight loss; I don't know anyone who distills it down to such a basic level as "lift and you'll be skinny" or "lift and you will lose weight." Rather, in pretty much every place I've seen people give advice to lift weights, they explain that weight lifting aids in achieving a favorable body composition while dieting (this is well known and not a myth) and some mention that it's nice to be strong and confident (two other nice side-effects of weight lifting). There's no myth present when the advice to lift weights is qualified in this fashion.
Not to mention, some of the strongest men on this planet are also pretty fat.
I think you're proving my point. If the OP stayed on target with his question, we could figure out if such advice is a/the new myth. You've just provided a valuable data point. You don't know anyone advocating that kind of result. If you've never heard anyone advocating that lifting alone will be the key to weight loss, then there are likely also others who have never heard such things. And so your answer could have been, "hardly the myth, I've never heard anyone say such a ridiculous thing; rather, I've heard people give qualified advice as to the specific benefits of lifting for other reasons." Or at least that could have been the question and answer. Until the OP went all kinds of school teacher in the rest of his ramble....
I personally have heard it, and with some frequency. "All you need to do is lift really heavy- get your muscles warmed up and they will burn massive (!!) calories all day long well after you are done, more than anybody could eat."
When you start a lifestyle change and others know about it, there can be so much bad advice given. Many of us have received a lot of it. I have seen the advice given out in forums as well, though I've also seen it quickly dismantled by people with a better understanding of caloric effect. And so I could have contributed, "I think the myth exists, some people believe it and they spread it. But I don't know how prevalent it is. It is certainly not the most common myth I've heard, so I wouldn't call it the new big Myth."
My point is that if the OP had framed it better, it was a straight-forward question and could have been a poll or discussion about how many people have heard others advising such a thing. Instead, his lengthy post didn't really focus on that as a question, but rather went on about other things.
I have definitely seen people say that all you need to do is lift weights to lose weight. There are people in this thread already that have said it, but they also said you need a deficit, which is the part I think a lot of people gloss over, because it's a given. Of course you need to eat in a deficit to lose weight! Many, many people, though, say you don't need any cardio, but you absolutely need to lift, if you want to lose fat. And this is pretty much regarded as correct, right?
How about citing an example where someone who's a frequent poster/mod said that weight lifting is required for fat loss? Not just that it helps with reducing body fat percentage during a cut, but rather if you want to lose any fat you must lift weights. Or how about the statement that "all you need to do is lift weights to lose weight" - I'd settle for seeing a citation of that statement coming from one of the well-respected posters around here - but my guess is you misread some posts, took statements out of context, came away with the impression that people are saying "all you need to do is lift weights to lose weight" and thus we'll never see any examples of what you're talking about.0 -
i'm no expert on any of the stuff on mfp, but i joined a few months ago as i wanted to lose some weight ..i read and read and read for the first few weeks and to be honest .. weight lifting DID seem to be being pushed a LOT .. as a newbie that kind of stands out in the forums.
At the time i joined i was saving for a big holiday so didn't have much expendable cash, so..i work in an empty warehouse big enough to run in .. i started jogging while at work..because its free and it passes the time on .. in the first few weeks i was useless, i could barely jog for 5minutes at a time but i persevered.. i bought a set of hand running weights..only 1.5lb each weight, but i found that jogging with them helped me jog better ..oddly.. so much so that i can't jog without them now .. the upshot of that was that i started getting forearm muscles.. something I've never had in a long time ..and this was only 1.5lbs ..
I continued reading the forums and gaining more relevant tips and understanding of the whole processes of losing weight/keeping muscle/burning fat etc.. I'm no expert as i said but now i can see a lot of it is common sense .. the same thing can't possible work the same way for everyone ..we are not all made the same.
I bit the bullet and i bought a set of cheap dumbbells before my holidays as a result of reading the forums and all the advice and yes ..all the mentions of weight lifting.The diet information as regards defecits and counting etc..well i found out pretty soon that this was all truth so why shouldn't the weight lifting be true too?
my dumbbell set is really bad.. lol 3 weights 1.5kg 3.5kg and 4.5kg .. sounds like a baby could lift them i know..lol but..i have some health issues so i started with the smallest, i used those for a couple of months ..i researched dumbbell exercises and i tried them out.. disregarding the ones i couldn't do due to the chest complaint ..i did try them but were too painful. A month in i swapped for the 3.5kg dumbbells and used them for a few months till i was used to those.. keeping my calorie defect etc etc .. the weight is coming off slowly but surely, the fat is melting away.. albeit collecting around my waist in a big puddle at the moment but .. i can see muscles i never had before starting to appear, i can do exercises i could never do before, i am now on the 4.5kg dumbbells and all is well .. i know its a long slog and its going to be even longer a slog but ill keep on trucking and i will move to heavier weights as i can afford them ..i still do my jogging as well as the weights and i feel fantastic ..at 47 i never thought i would feel this fit at all.
Sorry this is turning into another long reply but really i guess i just wanted to say that .. yes.. on first appearance mfp does look to a newbie as if weights weights weights is being PUSHED and well.. the majority of people who have succeeded with this as their way of doing it, can't be wrong. I came in i read it and made my own mind up and hey..its working for me too , so Thanks mfp for actually being the one to put weights into mine and others heads,to the original poster .. I'm pretty sure that the majority of ADULTS in here can actually make up their own minds.0
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