The thing about ice cream
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I've also felt unsatisfied after eating ice cream in place of a meal. And I've also felt like it wasn't worth it to have what I consider a "treat" food in place of what I normally eat for lunch or dinner. So yes, I totally get what you are saying.0
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I would choose frozen yogurt instead as a healthier choice, it tastes almost the same as ice-cream. Just don't put a bunch of unhealthy toppings on it and its not as bad as ice-cream. Or most popsicles are pretty low in calories, so I don't feel that guilty about eating one. It has been over 100 degrees here where I live, so frozen treats are somewhat of a necessity in my opinion.0
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Breyers - Chocolate Ice Cream, 1/2 cup 66g (calories)140 (c)17 (f)7 (p)2
Avocado, Haas - Usda (Grams), 66 g (calories)110 (c)6 (f)10 (p)1
Why is an avocado more real? Please explain.
Fat and protein are what satiates most people. The only issue with ice cream is it has higher carbs, same as bread...rice or any other carb. The fat and protein is a bonus. Also 140 calories is normally pretty easy to work in.
But who eats a half cup of ice cream? That's a joke, right??
Eats 1/2 cup of ice cream with no problem. Because I've learned how to have self control and knowing that tomorrow I can have more makes it easier. I don't have to eat all of it at once.
So much self control that there are probably 10 different ice creams/gelato in my freezer right now. I don't feel the need to open it every 5 minutes to eat.
I eat 1/2 cup of ice cream almost nightly. I have 12 pints in the freezer of Talenti and 3 different quarts of homemade ice cream Comes down to knowing I will eat my portion that fits into my day and tomorrow I'll decide what fits then
Same here, on the .5 cup most nights. I only ever have 2-3 kinds in my freezer, though. This thread is teaching me (a) that I need a bigger freezer, and (b) I really need to get my ice cream maker out of storage.0 -
I would choose frozen yogurt instead as a healthier choice, it tastes almost the same as ice-cream. Just don't put a bunch of unhealthy toppings on it and its not as bad as ice-cream. Or most popsicles are pretty low in calories, so I don't feel that guilty about eating one. It has been over 100 degrees here where I live, so frozen treats are somewhat of a necessity in my opinion.
Why is frozen yogurt the healthier choice? Quick comparison of vanilla of course brands will be slightly different
Vanilla frozen yogurt: 1/2 cup = 114 calories 17g carbs 4g fat 2.9 protein
Vanilla ice cream: 1/2 cup = 137 calories 16g carbs 7g fat 2.3 protein
I also never associate guilt with food, it's food. I make a choice to eat it or not but guilt has no place in that.0 -
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Breyers - Chocolate Ice Cream, 1/2 cup 66g (calories)140 (c)17 (f)7 (p)2
Avocado, Haas - Usda (Grams), 66 g (calories)110 (c)6 (f)10 (p)1
Why is an avocado more real? Please explain.
Fat and protein are what satiates most people. The only issue with ice cream is it has higher carbs, same as bread...rice or any other carb. The fat and protein is a bonus. Also 140 calories is normally pretty easy to work in.
But who eats a half cup of ice cream? That's a joke, right??
Eats 1/2 cup of ice cream with no problem. Because I've learned how to have self control and knowing that tomorrow I can have more makes it easier. I don't have to eat all of it at once.
So much self control that there are probably 10 different ice creams/gelato in my freezer right now. I don't feel the need to open it every 5 minutes to eat.
I eat 1/2 cup of ice cream almost nightly. I have 12 pints in the freezer of Talenti and 3 different quarts of homemade ice cream Comes down to knowing I will eat my portion that fits into my day and tomorrow I'll decide what fits then
Same here, on the .5 cup most nights. I only ever have 2-3 kinds in my freezer, though. This thread is teaching me (a) that I need a bigger freezer, and (b) I really need to get my ice cream maker out of storage.
I had to buy a separate freezer just so I could actually fit meat in along with my gelato and definitely get that ice cream maker out0 -
I just want to say, if someone doesn't have the will-power to be able to eat ice cream in moderation, (maybe they just need to work on it, but they haven't mastered it yet) then it's their prerogative if they indulge, or choose to avoid it. YOU are not THEM.
I agree with that, but far more often it seems to me we get posts from someone who feels like he or she personally cannot have ice cream or some other sweet food item (or anything else considered "junk" food or sometimes just bread or some such) who wants to extrapolate from that to no one should or everyone has the same problems or it's better or healthier or just more virtuous not to. Like the posts that suggest that people in general will feel worse from having a little ice cream, which is frankly silly.0 -
I've also felt unsatisfied after eating ice cream in place of a meal. And I've also felt like it wasn't worth it to have what I consider a "treat" food in place of what I normally eat for lunch or dinner. So yes, I totally get what you are saying.
Has anyone anywhere been recommending that people skip meals and eat ice cream instead?
Is this a new version of "it's not healthy to eat only cookies, so therefore no one should ever eat anything containing added sugar"?0 -
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I've also felt unsatisfied after eating ice cream in place of a meal. And I've also felt like it wasn't worth it to have what I consider a "treat" food in place of what I normally eat for lunch or dinner. So yes, I totally get what you are saying.
Has anyone anywhere been recommending that people skip meals and eat ice cream instead?
Is this a new version of "it's not healthy to eat only cookies, so therefore no one should ever eat anything containing added sugar"?
First question...Not that I know of.
As for the second part....I don't know where you are going with that. I only responded to the OP with my personal experiences with eating ice cream for a meal. I still eat sugar and ice cream and all that other stuff. Honestly, I have no idea what you are talking about.0 -
Oh wait...did you assume that since I said that I have felt unsatisfied with eating ice cream as a meal, that I don't ever eat ice cream and that I condemn sugar and "unhealthy" treats?0
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Agree^^^I've also felt unsatisfied after eating ice cream in place of a meal. And I've also felt like it wasn't worth it to have what I consider a "treat" food in place of what I normally eat for lunch or dinner. So yes, I totally get what you are saying.
Has anyone anywhere been recommending that people skip meals and eat ice cream instead?
Is this a new version of "it's not healthy to eat only cookies, so therefore no one should ever eat anything containing added sugar"?
I personally don't know anyone dumb enough to eat just ice cream for dinner and think they will walk away full. That's just absurd.
I have had ice cream in place of a "meal" and felt full, satisfied, and happy. Granted, it wasn't a bowl of plain vanilla, but a peanut buster parfait (ice cream, hot fudge, and peanuts), but it did keep my full for the next 5 hours (lunch around 1pm until 6ish pm for supper). Then again, I am one of those weirdos who doesn't get hungrier the more carbs I eat.
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With all due respect, you have no idea what you're talking about.I would choose frozen yogurt instead as a healthier choice, it tastes almost the same as ice-cream. Just don't put a bunch of unhealthy toppings on it and its not as bad as ice-cream. Or most popsicles are pretty low in calories, so I don't feel that guilty about eating one. It has been over 100 degrees here where I live, so frozen treats are somewhat of a necessity in my opinion.
Agree^^^I've also felt unsatisfied after eating ice cream in place of a meal. And I've also felt like it wasn't worth it to have what I consider a "treat" food in place of what I normally eat for lunch or dinner. So yes, I totally get what you are saying.
Has anyone anywhere been recommending that people skip meals and eat ice cream instead?
Is this a new version of "it's not healthy to eat only cookies, so therefore no one should ever eat anything containing added sugar"?
I personally don't know anyone dumb enough to eat just ice cream for dinner and think they will walk away full. That's just absurd.
zyxst does.0 -
The point being what would make you think eating ice cream instead of a meal should leave you satisfied?I've also felt unsatisfied after eating ice cream in place of a meal. And I've also felt like it wasn't worth it to have what I consider a "treat" food in place of what I normally eat for lunch or dinner. So yes, I totally get what you are saying.
Has anyone anywhere been recommending that people skip meals and eat ice cream instead?
Is this a new version of "it's not healthy to eat only cookies, so therefore no one should ever eat anything containing added sugar"?
First question...Not that I know of.
As for the second part....I don't know where you are going with that. I only responded to the OP with my personal experiences with eating ice cream for a meal. I still eat sugar and ice cream and all that other stuff. Honestly, I have no idea what you are talking about.
I guess it depends on the person. Some people think that high amounts of calories, fat, or carbs can give you a feeling of satiation, regardless of what food it is. And sometimes, it actually does satisfy them. I can't speak for anyone else though. As for me, I guess in the face of temptation, I can find ways to rationalize anything. You make a mistake (in my case, thinking that a huge bowl of ice cream with lots of calories will be satisfying) and you learn from it.0 -
Original Tart Froyo with blueberries is one of my favorite dinners. Don't have that too often, but occasionally I do.0
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With all due respect, you have no idea what you're talking about.I would choose frozen yogurt instead as a healthier choice, it tastes almost the same as ice-cream. Just don't put a bunch of unhealthy toppings on it and its not as bad as ice-cream. Or most popsicles are pretty low in calories, so I don't feel that guilty about eating one. It has been over 100 degrees here where I live, so frozen treats are somewhat of a necessity in my opinion.
Agree^^^I've also felt unsatisfied after eating ice cream in place of a meal. And I've also felt like it wasn't worth it to have what I consider a "treat" food in place of what I normally eat for lunch or dinner. So yes, I totally get what you are saying.
Has anyone anywhere been recommending that people skip meals and eat ice cream instead?
Is this a new version of "it's not healthy to eat only cookies, so therefore no one should ever eat anything containing added sugar"?
I personally don't know anyone dumb enough to eat just ice cream for dinner and think they will walk away full. That's just absurd.
You might not know anyone personally who believes that, but there is a reply on page three from someone who says that they actually do feel satisfied after eating an ice cream treat. I guess everyone has a different view of what makes them feel "satisfied".0 -
Nutritional benefits, or lack thereof, aside: what about the emotional benefits of not depriving yourself of something that actually contributes to the serotonin and dopamine levels in your brain for an indeterminate amount of time while you "diet"? I know that in my experience, deprivation is the single biggest driver behind every failed attempt at lasting weight loss I've had in my life.0
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Breyers - Chocolate Ice Cream, 1/2 cup 66g (calories)140 (c)17 (f)7 (p)2
Avocado, Haas - Usda (Grams), 66 g (calories)110 (c)6 (f)10 (p)1
Why is an avocado more real? Please explain.
Fat and protein are what satiates most people. The only issue with ice cream is it has higher carbs, same as bread...rice or any other carb. The fat and protein is a bonus. Also 140 calories is normally pretty easy to work in.
But who eats a half cup of ice cream? That's a joke, right??
Eats 1/2 cup of ice cream with no problem. Because I've learned how to have self control and knowing that tomorrow I can have more makes it easier. I don't have to eat all of it at once.
So much self control that there are probably 10 different ice creams/gelato in my freezer right now. I don't feel the need to open it every 5 minutes to eat.
Exactly! I have 3 or 4 different flavors at home, and 2 at work. They've lasted a long time because I weigh them out. Sometimes I don't have a full serving, sometimes I have more. Eating it for breakfast has actually helped me not crave sweets the rest of the day.0 -
The benefits of ice-cream?
-it tastes luxurious and good - so prevents you feeling deprived. A little works well.
-it can be bought in pre-packed and counted quantities - so no cheating
-it is kept in the freezer - so isn't in plain view tempting you to keep eating
- eating it does puzzle and annoy those who think you are 'on a diet' and should only be eating celery0 -
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Oh wait...did you assume that since I said that I have felt unsatisfied with eating ice cream as a meal, that I don't ever eat ice cream and that I condemn sugar and "unhealthy" treats?
I'm not assuming that about you, but that is the message--that it's better to never eat "treats," which are rather like smoking--I read in the OP's post which you were agreeing with, yes.0 -
Oh wait...did you assume that since I said that I have felt unsatisfied with eating ice cream as a meal, that I don't ever eat ice cream and that I condemn sugar and "unhealthy" treats?
I'm not assuming that about you, but that is the message--that it's better to never eat "treats," which are rather like smoking--I read in the OP's post which you were agreeing with, yes.
Oh I see now. Yes, I should have added in my original response to this thread that I do not think ice cream is bad as a treat or even as a major part of someones diet, as long as they are not going over their calories on a daily basis due to their habit.0 -
Breyers - Chocolate Ice Cream, 1/2 cup 66g (calories)140 (c)17 (f)7 (p)2
Avocado, Haas - Usda (Grams), 66 g (calories)110 (c)6 (f)10 (p)1
Why is an avocado more real? Please explain.
Fat and protein are what satiates most people. The only issue with ice cream is it has higher carbs, same as bread...rice or any other carb. The fat and protein is a bonus. Also 140 calories is normally pretty easy to work in.
But who eats a half cup of ice cream? That's a joke, right??
I do, regularly.0 -
I personally rarely downsize my treats or have them as a meal, unless I'm not too hungry or just feel like having a bite of something. What I do is work it into a broader deficit instead of a daily one like a weekly count or intermittent fasting, whichever I feel like doing at the time.
I had chips today for example, I was very busy the whole day and did not feel like eating anyway, so it worked fine. I did not have 1 oz, I had the whole pack (55 grams). Now had I been hungry, I would just eat normally in addition to the chips and spread my "over" calories across the week to work off. If my over calories are too high and would cause me to go too low or work too hard, I just shrug that day off and start over.0 -
Hi OP -
Read up on Glycemic Index for carbohydrates and I think you will see there's a well documented physiological reason why you weren't feeling satisfied after eating ice cream for lunch. Ice cream has a high glycemic index number because it rapidly increases your blood sugar level. When blood glucose levels rise, your body releases a hormone called insulin, which allows glucose to enter cells where it can be used to provide fuel for our brains, muscles and other vital organs. Insulin also plays a key role in fat storage: when insulin levels rise, our cells are forced to burn glucose rather than fat.
High GI foods breakdown quickly during digestion and cause blood glucose to rise fast and high for a short time. It’s like a roller-coaster ride on your insides – you spike then crash. With the crash comes the feeling of tiredness and craving for more energy (carbohydrates).
Are all sugars high GI? No. For instance, the fiber in many fruits slow the release of the sugars they contain into the bloodstream, making many fruits low Glycemic Index.
Low GI carbohydrates – those that are slowly digested and absorbed – cause a much lower and slower rise in blood glucose and, therefore, insulin levels.
This will help sustain energy levels longer, improving mental and physical performance and helping weight loss (curb hunger and burn fat) and the risk of developing lifestyle related diseases.
Some people mentioned eating their sweets in the evening after dinner. Mixing low GI and high GI foods (in moderation) is another way to slow the release of sugars into the bloodstream.
Anyway, start by reading through the About section of the below site. There is 30 years of research behind this. It's worth understanding for weight loss and your health in general:
http://www.gisymbol.com/about/frequently-asked-questions/0 -
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The thing about ice cream is that it's relatively low calorie so easier to fit in your days than cake or something... I do agree though, I've had to stop having some at lunch. I'll save it for after dinner.0
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Great, because premium ice cream and M&M's have a lower GI than a lot of fruits.Hi OP -
Read up on Glycemic Index for carbohydrates and I think you will see there's a well documented physiological reason why you weren't feeling satisfied after eating ice cream for lunch. Ice cream has a high glycemic index number because it rapidly increases your blood sugar level. When blood glucose levels rise, your body releases a hormone called insulin, which allows glucose to enter cells where it can be used to provide fuel for our brains, muscles and other vital organs. Insulin also plays a key role in fat storage: when insulin levels rise, our cells are forced to burn glucose rather than fat.
High GI foods breakdown quickly during digestion and cause blood glucose to rise fast and high for a short time. It’s like a roller-coaster ride on your insides – you spike then crash. With the crash comes the feeling of tiredness and craving for more energy (carbohydrates).
Are all sugars high GI? No. For instance, the fiber in many fruits slow the release of the sugars they contain into the bloodstream, making many fruits low Glycemic Index.
Low GI carbohydrates – those that are slowly digested and absorbed – cause a much lower and slower rise in blood glucose and, therefore, insulin levels.
This will help sustain energy levels longer, improving mental and physical performance and helping weight loss (curb hunger and burn fat) and the risk of developing lifestyle related diseases.
Some people mentioned eating their sweets in the evening after dinner. Mixing low GI and high GI foods (in moderation) is another way to slow the release of sugars into the bloodstream.
Anyway, start by reading through the About section of the below site. There is 30 years of research behind this. It's worth understanding for weight loss and your health in general:
http://www.gisymbol.com/about/frequently-asked-questions/0 -
Hi OP -
Read up on Glycemic Index for carbohydrates and I think you will see there's a well documented physiological reason why you weren't feeling satisfied after eating ice cream for lunch. Ice cream has a high glycemic index number because it rapidly increases your blood sugar level. When blood glucose levels rise, your body releases a hormone called insulin, which allows glucose to enter cells where it can be used to provide fuel for our brains, muscles and other vital organs. Insulin also plays a key role in fat storage: when insulin levels rise, our cells are forced to burn glucose rather than fat.
High GI foods breakdown quickly during digestion and cause blood glucose to rise fast and high for a short time. It’s like a roller-coaster ride on your insides – you spike then crash. With the crash comes the feeling of tiredness and craving for more energy (carbohydrates).
Are all sugars high GI? No. For instance, the fiber in many fruits slow the release of the sugars they contain into the bloodstream, making many fruits low Glycemic Index.
Low GI carbohydrates – those that are slowly digested and absorbed – cause a much lower and slower rise in blood glucose and, therefore, insulin levels.
This will help sustain energy levels longer, improving mental and physical performance and helping weight loss (curb hunger and burn fat) and the risk of developing lifestyle related diseases.
Some people mentioned eating their sweets in the evening after dinner. Mixing low GI and high GI foods (in moderation) is another way to slow the release of sugars into the bloodstream.
Anyway, start by reading through the About section of the below site. There is 30 years of research behind this. It's worth understanding for weight loss and your health in general:
http://www.gisymbol.com/about/frequently-asked-questions/
Thank you for this explanation. I was already aware of some of this actually, but it does help explain it, as I have been focusing on eating higher levels of protein for some time now for the reasons you outlined. I actually have had ice cream in place of a meal on many occasions in the past and had found it satisfying, so perhaps I noticed the effect more due to my body not being as used the sugar spike.
I do want to say, in case I was unclear in my original post, that I don't think there is anything wrong with ice cream, or any other "treat" that you work into your calories AND satisfies you. I was just making a general observation about becoming more aware of my actual physical and emotional response to something I considered a treat vs. how I thought it would make me feel. Becoming aware of how food actually makes you feel is really helpful in making better choices, at least to me. The only reason I brought up smoking was because I just found similarities in the two feelings (craving something, thinking it will bring satisfaction, but then feeling unsatisfied after indulging). I am in no way saying ice cream is evil or nobody should have it. Just making a PERSONAL observation of my own body and emotions. That is all. For all of you that work it into your diet and it keeps you from feeling deprived, more power to you. It's nothing personal. I am just coming to the realization that it does not do that FOR ME.
I find it quite amusing that everyone got so fired up about this, so I guess the ice cream industry must be doing something right!0
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