Starvation Mode is a Myth: The Science

Lisa1971

I have a mess (a tiny mess!) to go and clean up. My head just exploded!:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

ceebs9

I have a mess (a tiny mess!) to go and clean up. My head just exploded!:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

And I just had a boregasm.

Kidding. The research is interesting. I just think there's a difference between "starvation" and "starvation mode." Or at least I look at the two differently.

What's really interesting to me is the emotions that get involved in a discussion like this.

runningneo122

Sometimes I do enjoy the drama that unfolds on these forums. This debate will rage on as long as this site exists and as such it's getting a bit old to hear the points on both sides belabored nearly every single day I log in.

Everyone is different, what works for them is different than what works for someone else. You don't like what someone is doing, don't put your nose in their business. Simple as.


That's about it for me, enjoy the rest of your regularly scheduled programming.

I disagree that BOTH sides are stating the facts. I showed that was CLEARLY not the case. One side(the eat your exer cals group) shows the facts and the other side simply disagrees, obfuscates or cites false premises.

hotmooglelove

Thank you runningneo122, good reads.

runningneo122

i asked an endocrinologist that i know who specialises in metabolic studies and he said

Yet again ..... one person citing another supposed "expert" that they know and trust, yada yada yada.

Please! Can someone cite a REAL STUDY that says, "Do not eat your exercise calories and you will be healthy." or something to that effect?!?

FearAnLoathing

I never claimed to be stating facts that apply to everyone justy the facts as they apply to me:happy:

Connie48

I personally have never bought into the starvation mode thing, actually I don't buy into a lot of the info so called "experts and studies" make avalialbe. IMO plain 'ol common sense works wonders. Studies/research changes all the time, we owe it to our selves to self educate and use common sense. I find it interesting that each person that posts links to studies/research/scrience whatever, is convinced THEIR post(s) and info is the best. I'm a firm believer in "do what feels right for YOU" regardless of what anyone else says, but these discussions are always interesting.

Shawnalee0703

I'm not to proud to say I now have a man crush on runningneo122

that was an awesome amount of research. I've actually read many of those, but not all at once, and I never put them all down in one spot. Thanks

Aww, shucks.... that was quoted from ladyhawk. I must give credit where credit is due. I copied it to a PM to myself for just this type of occasion.

I freaking agree!!!! Thank you! If our body doesn't need food and it is NOT our FUEL... then whyd don't we just stop eating all together... Oh yeah, THAT'S CUZ IT IS NECESSARY... real, healthy well rounded whole some foods! That's the big part. Thank you for the even more so accurate and backed up research! :-D I agree, do what works for you... But your body need minerals, vitamines, proteins, carbs, water and uch much more to keep it running in tip top shape... so tell me how eating 700 calories a day will give you enough food supplied nutrients? It won't. I eat between 1200 and 1700 (right now taking in 1500-1600/day) calories on a regular basis and I have lost 65 pounds (took my time doing it because I have made life/habit changes),I have built pretty sufficient muscle and kill it at the gym. I do have days where I eat 2000 ish as well.... usually on trips I focus on maintenance rather than loss... This has been successful for me.

frostiegurl

Sometimes I do enjoy the drama that unfolds on these forums. This debate will rage on as long as this site exists and as such it's getting a bit old to hear the points on both sides belabored nearly every single day I log in.

Everyone is different, what works for them is different than what works for someone else. You don't like what someone is doing, don't put your nose in their business. Simple as.


That's about it for me, enjoy the rest of your regularly scheduled programming.

I disagree that BOTH sides are stating the facts. I showed that was CLEARLY not the case. One side(the eat your exer cals group) shows the facts and the other side simply disagrees, obfuscates or cites false premises.

At what point in my post did I ever use the word "Facts"?

Dobsaya

Love it!

runningneo122

Sometimes I do enjoy the drama that unfolds on these forums. This debate will rage on as long as this site exists and as such it's getting a bit old to hear the points on both sides belabored nearly every single day I log in.

Everyone is different, what works for them is different than what works for someone else. You don't like what someone is doing, don't put your nose in their business. Simple as.


That's about it for me, enjoy the rest of your regularly scheduled programming.

I disagree that BOTH sides are stating the facts. I showed that was CLEARLY not the case. One side(the eat your exer cals group) shows the facts and the other side simply disagrees, obfuscates or cites false premises.

At what point in my post did I ever use the word "Facts"?

You said the debate rages on...... debate exists when each side states their belief and what it is based on. What are "they" basing their argument on? Certainly NOT the facts.

FearAnLoathing

as long as my doctor tells me im just fine then im not going worry about it:happy:

runningneo122

as long as my doctor tells me im just fine then im not going worry about it:happy:

Agree:flowerforyou:

SkierElle

Thanks to the OP for this I usually fast once per week, from 20-30 hours. The maximum fat burning window is from 18-36 hours then it levels off. Lots of people are technically starving if they are not getting enough nutrients. For example, it would be better to have nothing but water for a day rather than have 1200 calories worth of doughnuts, I believe.

MMK72

You know what, real MFP'ers (the ones who eat their exercise calories)

Let them starve, let them weight cycle, let them burn muscle, let them release endogenous catecholamines and risk heart attacks. We should not care if they are silly enough to glean dietary meaning from 3 studies in tiny numbers of healthy weight male subjects eating absolutely nothing which are obviously done to help dieticians adjust TPN or NG feed doses in ICU.

And engage it if it is fun for you but otherwise, please just ignore them we are unfortunately bumping their silly posts

FearAnLoathing

You know what, real MFP'ers (the ones who eat their exercise calories)

Let them starve, let them weight cycle, let them burn muscle, let them release endogenous catecholamines and risk heart attacks. We should not care if they are silly enough to glean dietary meaning from 3 studies in tiny numbers of healthy weight male subjects eating absolutely nothing which are obviously done to help dieticians adjust TPN or NG feed doses in ICU.

And engage it if it is fun for you but otherwise, please just ignore them we are unfortunately bumping their silly posts

you sure must burn alot of calories climbing up on your pedestal.good for you:drinker:

MMK72

you sure must burn alot of calories climbing up on your pedestal.good for you:drinker:

I do but it gets a bit lonely up here sometime, I wonder why...

(PS ultimately I do believe in do what works for you, but skipping meals is something I've never been able to do so MFP is working a treat for me!)

FearAnLoathing

:laugh: :laugh:

so are the rest of us "poser" MFP users or something

MMK72

I think you are just "using" the site for it's calorie counting, and not embracing the true philosophy

"I'm down with MFP yeah you know me"

(picture white girl trying to look cool)

fat_beyonce

*bump*