Intermittent fasting

Vegasboricua702

Who is doing it? If you do not know what it is, I will tell you what it is in a nutshell. You basically fast 16 hours a day and eat 8 hours out of the day. You eat all your calories and macros in that 8 hour period.

www.leangains.com - The official site for Intermittent fasting

I've lost 13 pounds in 1 month doing this. It fits perfectly in my schedule because I work graveyard

mefergus26

I tried it and lasted a day. Goes against all valid research that you need to eat little and often to keep your metabolism fired up.

k1979k

I do it and love it. Surprisingly I have so much more energy and my workouts are not at all affected. In fact I've hit more PB's (personal best) since I started IF than I was hitting before.

It's no doubt controversial and people will have their opinions, but do what works for you

I know others who have been doing it who have also had great results.

These things are all personal choice - don't take anything as 'gospel' without looking in to it and seeing if it's for you !!
(but also don't judge other people's decisions - I realise this is something that could get some negative feedback...)

emaybe

I fast for spiritual/emotional reasons. Fasting to lose weight is a dead-end street. I have to make up my calorie intake on fasts just to not kill my metabolism (I do an olive oil/cayenne/lemon juice shot several times daily to keep my calorie intake up but my food intake down). Fasting for weight loss is basically going to destroy your metabolism and make you pile the weight back on the second you stop with the program, and probably plus a few pounds. Fasting is extremely dangerous, especially when dieting or attempting to operate your body on a calorie deficit. This is not a healthy program. Since I have started dieting I have reduced my fasting to once every few months for the sake of maintaining my health. Fasting for weight loss is NOT SAFE.

lodro

Intermittent fasting the lean gains way means you'll probably won't have breakfast and a latish lunch, around 1PM and stop eating aroun 8PM. I don't see how that relates to fasting the way the poster above me describes it. Intermittent fasting means you're not without calories during the day, just that you time it differently and within a specific time period. I wish people would look into some things, before making general statements.

Vegasboricua702

I fast for spiritual/emotional reasons. Fasting to lose weight is a dead-end street. I have to make up my calorie intake on fasts just to not kill my metabolism (I do an olive oil/cayenne/lemon juice shot several times daily to keep my calorie intake up but my food intake down). Fasting for weight loss is basically going to destroy your metabolism and make you pile the weight back on the second you stop with the program, and probably plus a few pounds. Fasting is extremely dangerous, especially when dieting or attempting to operate your body on a calorie deficit. This is not a healthy program. Since I have started dieting I have reduced my fasting to once every few months for the sake of maintaining my health. Fasting for weight loss is NOT SAFE.

Obviously you dont understand the logic behind intermittent fasting. The fact that your fighting your opinion against a scientifically proven diet is just silly. If you take 5 mintues and read the link I posted you would see that I'm not "starving myself" Im loosing weight and at the sametime packing on lean muscle. This diet is no fad diet. It's a way of life. The reason why it works for me is because I work graveyard and eating at night is not healthy. I wake up at 2pm on the dot everyday eat around 300-400 calories and goto the gym from 5pm to 6pm. Dinner is at 7pm (biggest meal of the day) Caisen protien shake at 930 pm before work. Then I work from 11pm to 6am. By this time im a little bit hungry so I down a glass of water before bed and go straight to sleep until 2pm, and repeat. Take a look at my food diary. Its speaks for it self.

I tried it and lasted a day. Goes against all valid research that you need to eat little and often to keep your metabolism fired up

Again, another post without valid information to back it up. Where is this "valid research" you speak of? Mine is in my original post. I'm sure you didnt even take 2 mintues to read it. If you want I could give you more "valid research" that will have you sitting infront of your computer for about 8-12 hours.

Vegasboricua702

Intermittent fasting the lean gains way means you'll probably won't have breakfast and a latish lunch, around 1PM and stop eating aroun 8PM. I don't see how that relates to fasting the way the poster above me describes it. Intermittent fasting means you're not without calories during the day, just that you time it differently and within a specific time period. I wish people would look into some things, before making general statements.

Thank you! Someone who knowswhat they are talking about! lol

bmontgomery87

I tried it and lasted a day. Goes against all valid research that you need to eat little and often to keep your metabolism fired up.

none of that research is valid tho.
It's been pushed out lately by new research that suggests otherwise.

bmontgomery87

ITT people who don't understand what intermittent fasting is, and decided to knock it before clicking the link and realizing that it does work.

Vegasboricua702

ITT people who don't understand what intermittent fasting is, and decided to knock it before clicking the link and realizing that it does work.

Agreed!

emaybe

Starving yourself for a period of time throughout the day is pretty much the exact same thing to your body and your metabolism as starving yourself for a few days. The diet is scientifically proven by the folks who invented it; the rest is a joke. If you just want to defend unhealthy eating habits don't post in a forum intended for multiple opinions.

chasekilgannon

Not something I would do, but off topic real quick, PUERTO RICO! Woot!

Vegasboricua702

Starving yourself for a period of time throughout the day is pretty much the exact same thing to your body and your metabolism as starving yourself for a few days. The diet is scientifically proven by the folks who invented it; the rest is a joke. If you just want to defend unhealthy eating habits don't post in a forum intended for multiple opinions.

Thats where your wrong. Just cause I'm "starving myself" doesn't mean i'm dying for food everyday. Thats far from the truth. Too many close minded people such as yourself always knock this down, because you dont eat for a 16 hours. I'm willing to bet $100 that you didn't click the link and take 5 minutes to read about it. Maybe if you did you would have seen 0the 299 articles he has about intermittent fasting. Maybe you would see his twitter feed with 100's of other people twitters who post pictures of themselves on this diet.

Secondly, where is your research and resources? I see you didn't post anything to back up what your saying. Next time please post some actual proof and research that goes against what I'm saying. To be honest with you, I'm hardily ever hungry. Why? Because I eat clean filling foods and drink plenty of water. Intermittent fasting is for just losing fat. Its for loosing fat and gaining lean muscle at the same time, forcing the body to use up its natural resources (mainly fat ).

Lastly, if your going to post on a forum and your going to go against what someone is saying or doing, please post some research backing your facts up. Thanks.

emaybe

I glanced at the website, but you posted the basics (which any sensible person would know is unhealthy) in your original post. Is the following true or untrue?

You do not eat for 16 hours.
You then eat your entire day's worth of calories in the other 8 hours.

If that is part of your diet (like you stated in your original post), that is unhealthy.

You want sources? Okay.

http://www.losing-bodyfat.com/eatmore.html
http://www.thedietchannel.com/AskTheExpert/nutrition-healthy-eating/Meal-Frequency-How-often-should-you-eat.htm
http://www.sparkpeople.com/resource/nutrition_articles.asp?id=1144
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/sclark75.htm
http://www.ehow.com/how_4711051_eat-lose-weight.html
http://www.wikihow.com/Eat-and-Lose-Weight
http://www.shapefit.com/lose-weight-eat-more.html
http://ezinearticles.com/?Eat-More-Often-to-Lose-Weight&id=50599
http://familydoctor.org/online/famdocen/home/healthy/food/improve/795.html
http://www.disabled-world.com/fitness/diets/eating-more.php
http://www.nutrition-diet-healthy.com/diet-nutrition/eat-well-eat-often-to-lose-weight

Oh, and every reputable doctor and nutritionist. And I'm not talking about people who created or are funded by some fad diet babbling about how going against the basic concept of maintaining a healthy metabolism is going to help you lose weight -- OF COURSE IT'S GOING TO HELP YOU LOSE WEIGHT. You're starving yourself. If I stopped eating for the next week, I'd lose a lot of weight too. I lose a ton of weight when I fast (as described in my previous post), and then pile it RIGHT back on within the couple weeks' recovery.

If you want to continue down a path that is only going to do damage to your metabolism, go right on ahead, but don't try to debunk scientific fact without expecting to get countered.

lodro

So I take it you wake up every night at about 3 AM and eat something? In fact, you are already intermittently fasting for about 10 hours when you wake up. IF Leangains extends that by a few hours. So?

The "eat often to stoke your metabolism" myth has already been discounted in several studies.

Denzer CM - The effect of resistance exercise on the thermic effect of food - International Journal of Sport Nutrition and Exercise Metabolism

Bellisle F et al. Meal frequency and energy balance. Br J Nutr. 1997 Apr;77 Suppl 1:S57-70.

Westerterp KR et al. Influence of the feeding frequency on nutrient utilization in man: consequences for energy metabolism. Eur J Clin Nutr. 1991 Mar;45(3):161-9

Taylor MA , Garrow JS. Compared with nibbling, neither gorging nor a morning fast affect short-term energy balance in obese patients ina chamber calorimeter. Int J Obes Relat Metab Disord. 2001 Apr;25(4):519-28.

Jones PJ et al. Meal frequency influences circulating hormone levels but not lipogenesis rates in humans. Metabolism. 1995 Feb;44(2):218-23.

Vegasboricua702

So I take it you wake up every night at about 3 AM and eat something? In fact, you are already intermittently fasting for about 10 hours when you wake up. IF Leangains extends that by a few hours. So?

The "eat often to stoke your metabolism" myth has already been discounted in several studies.

Denzer CM - The effect of resistance exercise on the thermic effect of food - International Journal of Sport Nutrition and Exercise Metabolism

Bellisle F et al. Meal frequency and energy balance. Br J Nutr. 1997 Apr;77 Suppl 1:S57-70.

Westerterp KR et al. Influence of the feeding frequency on nutrient utilization in man: consequences for energy metabolism. Eur J Clin Nutr. 1991 Mar;45(3):161-9

Taylor MA , Garrow JS. Compared with nibbling, neither gorging nor a morning fast affect short-term energy balance in obese patients ina chamber calorimeter. Int J Obes Relat Metab Disord. 2001 Apr;25(4):519-28.

Jones PJ et al. Meal frequency influences circulating hormone levels but not lipogenesis rates in humans. Metabolism. 1995 Feb;44(2):218-23.

Obviously you didnt read my reply to your previous post. Please scroll up.

lodro

So I take it you wake up every night at about 3 AM and eat something? In fact, you are already intermittently fasting for about 10 hours when you wake up. IF Leangains extends that by a few hours. So?

The "eat often to stoke your metabolism" myth has already been discounted in several studies.

Denzer CM - The effect of resistance exercise on the thermic effect of food - International Journal of Sport Nutrition and Exercise Metabolism

Bellisle F et al. Meal frequency and energy balance. Br J Nutr. 1997 Apr;77 Suppl 1:S57-70.

Westerterp KR et al. Influence of the feeding frequency on nutrient utilization in man: consequences for energy metabolism. Eur J Clin Nutr. 1991 Mar;45(3):161-9

Taylor MA , Garrow JS. Compared with nibbling, neither gorging nor a morning fast affect short-term energy balance in obese patients ina chamber calorimeter. Int J Obes Relat Metab Disord. 2001 Apr;25(4):519-28.

Jones PJ et al. Meal frequency influences circulating hormone levels but not lipogenesis rates in humans. Metabolism. 1995 Feb;44(2):218-23.

Obviously you didnt read my reply to your previous post. Please scroll up.

obviously you didn't see that my post was not a response to you.

myofibril

Starving yourself for a period of time throughout the day is pretty much the exact same thing to your body and your metabolism as starving yourself for a few days.

No.

Short term fasting (generally classed as less than 60 hours) has a different metabolic effect to long term fasting. In fact it has been shown to boost metabolism in the short term:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10837292

You might want to consider the Bellisle F et al. study previously linked by lodro which is probably the most comprehensive study on the effects of meal frequency on metabolism which shows no difference between nibbling and gorging diet.

I see now problem in short term fasting followed by a refeed to normalise hormonal levels etc as a healthy weight loss route.

I don't do IF myself but I know a couple of guys who do and they are just fine and healthy.

hush7hush

I've been thinking about doing something like this if I ever hit a plateau.

Noctuary

It sounds like you are still eating just with a much bigger span of time between meals.

Anyways...if you are Diabetic please do not do this. It's unsafe. But for everyone else..I guess you can try it and see if it works for you. Every person is different and handles food differently.

rachel871

I don't do it myself - but seeing as i eat my breakfast at 9am and my dinner at 6pm, and don't snack in the evenings, I technially eat all of my food in a 9 hour span, so that's nearly the same...!

I don't understand why people are saying this is unhealthy, surely this is just eating normally?!!?

Vegasboricua702

So I take it you wake up every night at about 3 AM and eat something? In fact, you are already intermittently fasting for about 10 hours when you wake up. IF Leangains extends that by a few hours. So?

The "eat often to stoke your metabolism" myth has already been discounted in several studies.

Denzer CM - The effect of resistance exercise on the thermic effect of food - International Journal of Sport Nutrition and Exercise Metabolism

Bellisle F et al. Meal frequency and energy balance. Br J Nutr. 1997 Apr;77 Suppl 1:S57-70.

Westerterp KR et al. Influence of the feeding frequency on nutrient utilization in man: consequences for energy metabolism. Eur J Clin Nutr. 1991 Mar;45(3):161-9

Taylor MA , Garrow JS. Compared with nibbling, neither gorging nor a morning fast affect short-term energy balance in obese patients ina chamber calorimeter. Int J Obes Relat Metab Disord. 2001 Apr;25(4):519-28.

Jones PJ et al. Meal frequency influences circulating hormone levels but not lipogenesis rates in humans. Metabolism. 1995 Feb;44(2):218-23.

Obviously you didnt read my reply to your previous post. Please scroll up.

obviously you didn't see that my post was not a response to you.

My apoligies. I mistook what you wrote.

Vegasboricua702

I glanced at the website, but you posted the basics (which any sensible person would know is unhealthy) in your original post. Is the following true or untrue?

You do not eat for 16 hours.
You then eat your entire day's worth of calories in the other 8 hours.

If that is part of your diet (like you stated in your original post), that is unhealthy.

You want sources? Okay.

http://www.losing-bodyfat.com/eatmore.html
http://www.thedietchannel.com/AskTheExpert/nutrition-healthy-eating/Meal-Frequency-How-often-should-you-eat.htm
http://www.sparkpeople.com/resource/nutrition_articles.asp?id=1144
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/sclark75.htm
http://www.ehow.com/how_4711051_eat-lose-weight.html
http://www.wikihow.com/Eat-and-Lose-Weight
http://www.shapefit.com/lose-weight-eat-more.html
http://ezinearticles.com/?Eat-More-Often-to-Lose-Weight&id=50599
http://familydoctor.org/online/famdocen/home/healthy/food/improve/795.html
http://www.disabled-world.com/fitness/diets/eating-more.php
http://www.nutrition-diet-healthy.com/diet-nutrition/eat-well-eat-often-to-lose-weight

Oh, and every reputable doctor and nutritionist. And I'm not talking about people who created or are funded by some fad diet babbling about how going against the basic concept of maintaining a healthy metabolism is going to help you lose weight -- OF COURSE IT'S GOING TO HELP YOU LOSE WEIGHT. You're starving yourself. If I stopped eating for the next week, I'd lose a lot of weight too. I lose a ton of weight when I fast (as described in my previous post), and then pile it RIGHT back on within the couple weeks' recovery.

If you want to continue down a path that is only going to do damage to your metabolism, go right on ahead, but don't try to debunk scientific fact without expecting to get countered.

Alright, I’m going to put this in the nicest, polite, and intellectual way I can without getting too personal. It just seems that people who never have tried Intermittent Fasting are the ones to knock it down so quickly. You “glanced” at the site, which means you probably didn’t read much more than a couple paragraphs on the front page. That’s fine. I read the site for about 16 – 20 hours before fully committing to this plan. If you found a diet and exercise plan that works for you, then more power to you. There is no one fits all diet, if there was obviously everyone would be on it.

There are diets for different people and lifestyles. I work nights, and this eating style fits my needs best. If you really believe I’m starving myself on this diet and plan, you are far from the truth. The fact of the matter is that I’m eating healthier than I have ever done before, while having some of the best improving and amazing workouts I’ve ever had. In a nutshell leangains is about building lean muscle mass while losing fat. Don’t believe me? Check my diary out. It has the times, meals, and supplements I take during the day.

I’m not going to sit here and regurgitate how leangains works, because fact of the matter is you probably don’t care and have your mindset that I’m wrong. Plus the website you “glanced” had all the information any skeptic could ask for. Please don’t come in here and knock down something that has been working for me. Results speak for themselves. I agree leangains isn’t for everyone, as is any diet. I would be lying to you if I told you the first week or so didn’t suck, but you would be amazed how the human body can adapt and what the mind can do. I’m sure you would know nothing about that since your career is a musician, while my occupation is military. Diet and exercise is nothing more than a mental state of mind. People who lack motivation, dedication and discipline are not successful at leangains, let alone diet and exercise.

Furthermore nutrition and exercise is my job. I have firsthand knowledge of what works and what doesn’t. I noticed you posted a link to bodybuilding.com, and I bet you wouldn’t guess who is an active member of that site? Martin Burkhan the creator of leangains. You can find him on any intermittent fasting thread on bodybuilding.com I would love for you to send him your sorry excuse for a reply that you tried to school me with to him, plus a link to this thread and see what he tells you. He of course knows way more than me about leangains, and would spit out works and scientific facts that would leave your simple sorry mind aching, which is probably part of the reason why you just “glanced” the website. You didn’t understand anything he had to say.

If you want more proof, that I’m starving myself and not gaining anything I would love to send you a link of my workout journal on bodybuilding.com. On second thought that would probably be a waste of time as you will probably just glance over that too.

Have a nice day.

Rainbow_Brite86

Who is doing it? If you do not know what it is, I will tell you what it is in a nutshell. You basically fast 16 hours a day and eat 8 hours out of the day. You eat all your calories and macros in that 8 hour period.

www.leangains.com - The official site for Intermittent fasting

I've lost 13 pounds in 1 month doing this. It fits perfectly in my schedule because I work graveyard

Good job, but I've never tried it...might though. ((:

Vegasboricua702

Who is doing it? If you do not know what it is, I will tell you what it is in a nutshell. You basically fast 16 hours a day and eat 8 hours out of the day. You eat all your calories and macros in that 8 hour period.

www.leangains.com - The official site for Intermittent fasting

I've lost 13 pounds in 1 month doing this. It fits perfectly in my schedule because I work graveyard

Good job, but I've never tried it...might though. ((:

Read up on it at leangains.com Pretty much explains everything you need to do.

emaybe

There have been several studies proving that humans can get all of their vitamins from the sun.
There have been several studies proving that cigarettes do not cause cancer.
There have been several studies that prove women cannot do math.

Just because such studies exist does not mean it is a hard and true fact.

For the other poster: No, I don't wake up at 3am and eat. But a 10-hour fast while I am ASLEEP (and/or not eating before bed) is not equivalent to a voluntarily fast after waking up or several hours before bed. A "few" is three. Six is six. This is not extending a sleep-based period of fasting for a "few" hours.

I actually looked a little more into the site than you suggest, and tried to locate any legitimate qualifications of your Lean Gains Leader outside of personal experience and a free blogging system (couldn't find a single one), but you did get one thing right: I'm not going to waste hours reading up on something I know is unhealthy just to prove someone wrong on a message board. I've already wasted enough time arguing with you. Tell you what Vegas... you record you weight, measurements, strength, etc today. Then send me an e-mail on April 19, 2012 to tell me how in shape you still are after continuing on this plan.

Over it, farewell and good luck.

Vegasboricua702

Here is my informational thread off of just one month of being on the plan http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/218717-1-month-transformation-12lbs-lost

naku

i was doing this even before i knew there was a actual name for it.

when i wake up, i have one cup of coffee. after that i have lunch around 2-3pm and dinner when i get home at seven.
and repeat the next day.

it works just really well with my body and overall schedule. im not hungry in the mornings anyway and have more calories for a nice dinner.

so far i have gone from 163lb to 143lb without any real plateaus...

cutmd

ooh, another intermittent fasting debate! Yes, I do it. I've done Eat-Stop-Eat and leangains. ESE is a longer fast, 20-24hours 1-2 times a week. Leangains is as stated. it's originator, Martin Berkhan has been doing it for years with no ill-effects - he looks great and eats plenty of calories.

A lot of "not eating enough" posts and data are based off of low calorie intake, not fasting. When many people think fasting they think "starving" and thus "starvation mode". However, YOU EAT THE SAME NUMBER OF CALORIES ON INTERMITTENT FASTING, JUST IN A SMALLER WINDOW. If you eat dinner at 5pm and have a "no eating after dinner policy, then eat again at 9am you have fasted for 16 hours! Are we to now have a policy that everyone has to make sure they get a snack before dinner? Based on what data?

Moreover, the whole point of fat is to provide energy in times of low availability of food. Fasting has been shown to increase fat burning enzymes, and a larger percentage of fat is lost during dieting. www.leangains.com has copious studies published by journals and authors of repute. CHECK OUT: http://www.leangains.com/2010/10/top-ten-fasting-myths-debunked.html

I would paste it here but it's too long. I too was skeptical of intermittent fasting, but that was before I researched it and reaped its benefits.

Vegasboricua702

Thanks for backing me up you guys!

Eskimopie

Interesting. Does your body adjust to the schedule? Sometimes I get pretty hungry in the mornings, other times not.