If you think you're in starvation mode...

registers

Oh, one last thing about starvation. Since eating extremely low calories leads to starvation mode, this is the theory. How does gastric bypass work??? Shrinking the stomach so the person eats at an extremely low caloric intake. Wouldn't this put them in starvation mode????!?!?! YES(according to the theory). The people who have gone through that type of surgery, look fine.

No. This is combatted by eating small meals, mutliple times per day. Their caloric intake will be significantly lower, but not so low as to introduce starvation mode. In any case this would be taken on a person by person basis and each patient would have advice from a trained nutritionist.

Hey man, if you get bypass surgery. You're supposed to eat anywhere from 500-1000 calories after the surgery. This will include a 800lbs indivual. How is that different than a man just eating 800 calories a day? Which in theory, puts in him starvation mode.

Bearface115

this is very confusing in alot of ways... On one hand everyone is correct and this is a controversial topic. If you are EATING you are not STARVING. the whole tpoint to weight loss, i thought, is to eat less. LESS meaning dont eat a whole bag a chips. LESS as in PORTION out your food. i know i should talk bc i actually need to seek help for Obsessive food thoughts which make me want bad food ALL the time and repused by healthy food. But common ppl. ...Stavation mode? Who on here told you to eat 700 cals or 500 cals. Its 1200 or more! ok?:noway:

registers

this is very confusing in alot of ways... On one hand everyone is correct and this is a controversial topic. If you are EATING you are not STARVING. the whole tpoint to weight loss, i thought, is to eat less. LESS meaning dont eat a whole bag a chips. LESS as in PORTION out your food. i know i should talk bc i actually need to seek help for Obsessive food thoughts which make me want bad food ALL the time and repused by healthy food. But common ppl. ...Stavation mode? Who on here told you to eat 700 cals or 500 cals. Its 1200 or more! ok?:noway:

Love that sentence, "if you're eating, you're not starving."

Driagnor

Small frequent meals have been linked to loss of muscle mass. If i eat 500 calories in one meal, i'll be in starvation mode because I don't eat small frequent meals?

I've heard the exact opposite. I read about a study whereby they provided test groups with the same caloric intake in either 3 or 6 meals per day, and although there wasn't a significant difference in the weight loss, the group which ate fewer meals lost more muscle mass over the course of the study.

I'd be interested to read an article suggesting the opposite - do you have any details on this?

Are you serious??? that's a big crock... Here's why, okay for clarity, this is what i do, i don't eat much during the day, maybe 500 calories, then my night meal i eat anywhere from 1500 - 3000 calories. yes in one meal. I don't recommend a consistent run of low calories.

When you're not eating, and you're hungry (like i am during the day) this triggers the flight or fight mechanism because it's a form of stress. This increases GH levels, GH levels have been linked to high levels of stress. You can look it up. That's why it's recommended to work out under 40mins at a high intensity level. Gh burns fat, and maintains muscle mass. WHy do i eat a huge meal at night??? It increases insulin, storing glycogen and repairing my body. I can probably eat 4000 calories, throught the day... 1000 calories per meal, yeah I can do that... But in one meal????? NO WAY. Eating this way automatically makes you eat less.

To each their own. That method of doing it wouldn't work for me, and I've come across too many reputable sources suggesting that smaller more frequent meals are better for you due to the balancing out of your blood sugar throughout the day to abandon what's currently working for me.

I don't see that you need to have a physical inability to consume a certain amount of calories in a single meal in order to ensure that you're not going over your calorie goal.

As I say though, to each his own, and if it's working for you then that's fair enough.

registers

Small frequent meals have been linked to loss of muscle mass. If i eat 500 calories in one meal, i'll be in starvation mode because I don't eat small frequent meals?

I've heard the exact opposite. I read about a study whereby they provided test groups with the same caloric intake in either 3 or 6 meals per day, and although there wasn't a significant difference in the weight loss, the group which ate fewer meals lost more muscle mass over the course of the study.

I'd be interested to read an article suggesting the opposite - do you have any details on this?

Are you serious??? that's a big crock... Here's why, okay for clarity, this is what i do, i don't eat much during the day, maybe 500 calories, then my night meal i eat anywhere from 1500 - 3000 calories. yes in one meal. I don't recommend a consistent run of low calories.

When you're not eating, and you're hungry (like i am during the day) this triggers the flight or fight mechanism because it's a form of stress. This increases GH levels, GH levels have been linked to high levels of stress. You can look it up. That's why it's recommended to work out under 40mins at a high intensity level. Gh burns fat, and maintains muscle mass. WHy do i eat a huge meal at night??? It increases insulin, storing glycogen and repairing my body. I can probably eat 4000 calories, throught the day... 1000 calories per meal, yeah I can do that... But in one meal????? NO WAY. Eating this way automatically makes you eat less.

To each their own. That method of doing it wouldn't work for me, and I've come across too many reputable sources suggesting that smaller more frequent meals are better for you due to the balancing out of your blood sugar throughout the day to abandon what's currently working for me.

I don't see that you need to have a physical inability to consume a certain amount of calories in a single meal in order to ensure that you're not going over your calorie goal.

As I say though, to each his own, and if it's working for you then that's fair enough.

Yeah I agree with you, if it's working for you stick to it. About what you said, I also believe that thing about blood sugar to be a myth too. Here's why, when you eat, blood sugar goes up, then it starts to decline, then you eat again, then it goes back up, then it starts to decline. This is constantly yoyoing your insulin. That's why I eat the way i do, if I don't eat anything... my insulin level really doesn't change.

Barneystinson

I've never really understood the "normalizing" blood sugar through more frequent feedings.

So I did a little test on my own for kicks and giggles throughout a single day. I was really curious as a healthy individual just what the heck my blood sugar was throughout a normal day. I got a hold of a tester through a deal at Walgreens along with some test strips and lancets. I then got set up to test on weekend, planning 3 meals, lower carbohydrate as I usually eat - about 70 grams for the day, as I had some fruit for lunch and some sweet potato for dinner.

I eat 3 times daily. Started the day by testing my waking (fasted) blood sugar levels - 62. Cool.

I ate breakfast, tested 1, 2, 3, and 4 hours after meal (postprandial). Continued to do this with each meal of the day. Highest reading was an 86 after lunch which included some fruit. Lowest was my morning fasted reading of 62. Average postprandial was around 73.

When you eat, your blood sugar raises. I don't agree with continually spiking it and raising it to higher levels throughout the day through food consumed. If I was remaining in a fed state more frequenly - i.e. less time between meals, my average daily reading would go up. So again, my average reading is in the low to mid 70s throughout the day, i.e. NORMAL, there is no need to eat more frequently and raise it. Myth...busted.

(If you have a medical reason to monitor your blood sugar and eat more frequently to normalize it (i.e. T1 diabetes) then this post does not apply.)

registers

I've never really understood the "normalizing" blood sugar through more frequent feedings.

So I did a little test on my own for kicks and giggles throughout a single day. I was really curious as a healthy individual just what the heck my blood sugar was throughout a normal day. I got a hold of a tester through a deal at Walgreens along with some test strips and lancets. I then got set up to test on weekend, planning 3 meals, lower carbohydrate as I usually eat - about 70 grams for the day, as I had some fruit for lunch and some sweet potato for dinner.

I eat 3 times daily. Started the day by testing my waking (fasted) blood sugar levels - 62. Cool.

I ate breakfast, tested 1, 2, 3, and 4 hours after meal (postprandial). Continued to do this with each meal of the day. Highest reading was an 86 after lunch which included some fruit. Lowest was my morning fasted reading of 62. Average postprandial was around 73.

When you eat, your blood sugar raises. I don't agree with continually spiking it and raising it to higher levels throughout the day through food consumed. If I was remaining in a fed state more frequenly - i.e. less time between meals, my average daily reading would go up. So again, my average reading is in the low to mid 70s throughout the day, i.e. NORMAL, there is no need to eat more frequently and raise it. Myth...busted.

(If you have a medical reason to monitor your blood sugar and eat more frequently to normalize it (i.e. T1 diabetes) then this post does not apply.)

This is exactly what I am talking about, don't believe the bs you hear/read untill you try it. Barney, I don't have any words to praise your... intelligence. Just a great post.

mielikkibz

Would suggest that people do their own research and consult a doctor if your that concerned

yep, and not listen to someone who prides himself from self learning with nothing to back it up. . .

Come on people, quit posting stuff that could cause people to hurt themselves.

registers

Would suggest that people do their own research and consult a doctor if your that concerned

yep, and not listen to someone who prides himself from self learning with nothing to back it up. . .

Come on people, quit posting stuff that could cause people to hurt themselves.

Nothing to back up? MOst of these theories come from body building, results are the back up. Despite what any dr or any scientific research says. Come on people, stop posting stuff that will leave people in a rut and prevent them from thinking for themselves. Don't let Dr's or Scientist think for you, think for yourself. COME ON PEOPLE. -rolls eyes-

mielikkibz

Would suggest that people do their own research and consult a doctor if your that concerned

yep, and not listen to someone who prides himself from self learning with nothing to back it up. . .

Come on people, quit posting stuff that could cause people to hurt themselves.

Nothing to back up? MOst of these theories come from body building, results are the back up. Despite what any dr or any scientific research says. Come on people, stop posting stuff that will leave people in a rut and prevent them from thinking for themselves. Don't let Dr's or Scientist think for you, think for yourself. COME ON PEOPLE. -rolls eyes-

well, since you've not posted ANYTHING giving us real credentials, WTHshould anybody listen to you? If someone is in a rut, they should talk to a certified specialist, their doctor, not listen to quacks on this board.

flutterqueen04

Haha! Yay! I love "self proclaimed" experts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :huh:



PS: I've read every Taste of Home magazine in the last few years....does this make me a certified chef?! Oh I'm excited cuz I honestly can't cook that well but hey I READ the magazines! Woot woot!! :drinker:

mielikkibz

Haha! Yay! I love "self proclaimed" experts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :huh:



PS: I've read every Taste of Home magazine in the last few years....does this make me a certified chef?! Oh I'm excited cuz I honestly can't cook that well but hey I READ the magazines! Woot woot!! :drinker:

Yep, it does, if reading makes you an expert, I should be an expert in numerous fields then!! Congrats, when are you going to open your restaurant????

ANYONe can write a book, doesn't make them an expert or knowledgeable in the field. . .there's an oft quoted book in my one hobby(dog breeding) which was written by someone who did not have any sort of degree in genetics, yet people think it's written in gold. . .

flutterqueen04

I will open my restaurant after I find someone else that has read a book or two on architecture and has made a bird house in boy scouts, you know, need an expert in that field. Don't want the building to fall then I'll have to find me a lawyer that has watched every episode of Law and Order!

mielikkibz

I will open my restaurant after I find someone else that has read a book or two on architecture and has made a bird house in boy scouts, you know, need an expert in that field. Don't want the building to fall then I'll have to find me a lawyer that has watched every episode of Law and Order!

ROFLMOAH!!! I'm thinking of going back to school to become a CSI, guess I don't have to, since i've watched every episode of CSI & NCIS????

kingkong123

Low calories plus lifting weights over the last 3 months has transformed my body. Some days, with workouts, I'm way under my 1200 net calories that seems to be the magic number. I have never really seen the effects of starvation mode. Everyone is different though.

All I can say is weight lifting and low caloric intake would be my recommendation for anyone. I've lost weight consistently with little to no cardio. To prove the point that those with muscle burn more calories -- I went on vacation for 8 days. I drank and ate whatever I wanted every day. Before leaving I was 195 (my lowest weight in years). I went to the gym for about 80 minutes, weighed myself the next morning, and was 195.

I'd rather be under than over on calories each day. Lifting weights will prevent muscle loss. Cardio just a couple times a week with keep you healthy. Thats the recipe for success.

registers

Would suggest that people do their own research and consult a doctor if your that concerned

yep, and not listen to someone who prides himself from self learning with nothing to back it up. . .

Come on people, quit posting stuff that could cause people to hurt themselves.

Nothing to back up? MOst of these theories come from body building, results are the back up. Despite what any dr or any scientific research says. Come on people, stop posting stuff that will leave people in a rut and prevent them from thinking for themselves. Don't let Dr's or Scientist think for you, think for yourself. COME ON PEOPLE. -rolls eyes-

well, since you've not posted ANYTHING giving us real credentials, WTHshould anybody listen to you? If someone is in a rut, they should talk to a certified specialist, their doctor, not listen to quacks on this board.

As I stayed, Most of my theories are based off ori hofmeklers methods. Go look at his pictures and look him up on youtube. There is your evidence, 6% bodyfat, speaks more than any scientific studies that counteract it. Look at RESULTS not studies. As I have said before many scientific studies have been dis-proven over time. This is about starvation mode. Does a person who goes under bypass surgery consume under 1000 calories a day yes? DO they gain fat ? NO. There is your study. It's called using your brain and thinking for yourself. Being a leader not a follower. Once again, "do people who go under gastric bypass surgery go under 1000 calories a day? YES do they gain fat? no. This is against the "RANDOM THEORY" of starvation mode. If some people can't see the evidence in this, and need a "scientific study" to tell them "starvation mode doesn't cause people to store body fat" then i am sorry, you have a small brain.

Since you mention talking to a dr, I am glad you went to your dr.before trying anything, what did he tell you, i am curious??

registers

Low calories plus lifting weights over the last 3 months has transformed my body. Some days, with workouts, I'm way under my 1200 net calories that seems to be the magic number. I have never really seen the effects of starvation mode. Everyone is different though.

All I can say is weight lifting and low caloric intake would be my recommendation for anyone. I've lost weight consistently with little to no cardio. To prove the point that those with muscle burn more calories -- I went on vacation for 8 days. I drank and ate whatever I wanted every day. Before leaving I was 195 (my lowest weight in years). I went to the gym for about 80 minutes, weighed myself the next morning, and was 195.

I'd rather be under than over on calories each day. Lifting weights will prevent muscle loss. Cardio just a couple times a week with keep you healthy. Thats the recipe for success.

THANK YOU KONG. He speaks form "EXPERIENCE" not from "SCIENTIFIC STUDIES" I guess this makes me right. and makes all those people with the "awards" wrong.

JDMPWR

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that starvation and the bodies defensive "starvation mode" were two different things...

You are correct. His post is comparing two different topics and stating them as one.

Starvation is the clinical definition he used above. Starvation mode is brought upon when starvation has gone into effect and been present or a predetermined time by the body. "Starvation Mode" is when the body wants to hold onto all the nutrients it has because the caloric intake is too low for the energy expenditure, so to overcome that expenditure it starts to ration off muscle over fat. The reasons for this is because it is easier for the body to break down muscle versus fat and also fat is stored energy and your body only wants to use that energy in worst case scenarios.

mielikkibz

Since you mention talking to a dr, I am glad you went to your dr.before trying anything, what did he tell you, i am curious??

to excercise, eat healthy, and don't overdo the bad knee. She was very happy with my success and hoped to see even more, doing it RIGHT.

registers

Since you mention talking to a dr, I am glad you went to your dr.before trying anything, what did he tell you, i am curious??

to excercise, eat healthy, and don't overdo the bad knee. She was very happy with my success and hoped to see even more, doing it RIGHT.

"eat healthy" is what?

daisymae9801

One article about 3 meals vs. grazing...
http://health.gaeatimes.com/2010/09/24/eating-3-meals-a-day-is-a-better-way-to-diet-than-grazing-27849/

daisymae9801

Sorry accidently double-posted

CassieLEO

Would suggest that people do their own research and consult a doctor if your that concerned

yep, and not listen to someone who prides himself from self learning with nothing to back it up. . .

Come on people, quit posting stuff that could cause people to hurt themselves.

Amen!!!!

Angela_MA

I am not starting anything, but wikipedia is not always a reliable resource. In my studies, our professors made it clear that we were not allowed to use any references from Wiki. Anyone can go on that site and add in things. You definition is correct in terms of starvation, but a little different in terms of starvation mode. There are difference and simularities as you and others have pointed out.

However, I do agree that starvation and starvation mode gets thrown around on this site a lot! "Eat your work out calories or you will go in starvation mode"...."you must always eat 1200 or more or you will go into starvation mode"...etc. I think people take it to literally. Starvation mode takes awhile to form, it is not something that happens from one day below 1200 calories or from not eat 200 calories from working out (just examples). It is not going to happen instantly.
If a persons weight does not change in a week, they automatically assume they are in starvation mode. There are other internal and external factors that could be the reason (i.e., stress, irregularity, time of the month, water retention...etc). Weight loss takes time and work. Finding what is best to help you lose weight healthy should be a persons goal. Yes it is a great day when the scale drops a pound; however, in the long run eating healthy and exercising will benefit your body more.

CassieLEO

Would suggest that people do their own research and consult a doctor if your that concerned

yep, and not listen to someone who prides himself from self learning with nothing to back it up. . .

Come on people, quit posting stuff that could cause people to hurt themselves.

Nothing to back up? MOst of these theories come from body building, results are the back up. Despite what any dr or any scientific research says. Come on people, stop posting stuff that will leave people in a rut and prevent them from thinking for themselves. Don't let Dr's or Scientist think for you, think for yourself. COME ON PEOPLE. -rolls eyes-

**Rolls eyes** Every time I see you post it is to preach and then you get angry when people challenge you. You would think you would learn. Thats good that you have researched, ill pat you on the back for being super smart and able to research something. Stop having your usual temper tantrums all over the forums. Im going to stop opening your posts...

daisymae9801

About starvation mode...
http://www.weightwatchers.com/util/art/index_art.aspx?tabnum=1&art_id=35501

SiltyPigeon

My opinions on starvation mode aside.....

Starvation and Starvation Mode are two unrelated subjects. Such as Cat and Cat Burglar are two unrelated subjects. Pretty sure Cat Burgling has little to do with cats, despite the use of the word.

registers

Haha! Yay! I love "self proclaimed" experts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :huh:



PS: I've read every Taste of Home magazine in the last few years....does this make me a certified chef?! Oh I'm excited cuz I honestly can't cook that well but hey I READ the magazines! Woot woot!! :drinker:

I am a majoring in computer science and chemistry. I learned more about computer science on my own, compared to school. Just because you have a credential, doesn't mean your competent. I bet you there are some people who are self educated who can cook better than some professional chefs. Honestly, last semester i took the most advanced class in computer science provided at my university. That's a subject I didn't know. All the other subjects, I knew them, and I can promise you I am a better programmer than anyone who is in any of my classes. Because I am pretty much self taught. The dean of our university of the computer science and mathematics, him and i don't get a long to well. I point out the errors in the code of a PhD doctor who teaches at Berkeley during the summer. I am not trying to be braggy or anything, just stating a point, here's my point, WHAT THE HELL DOES A DEGREE HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING?

The original topic was about starvation mode. Does it exist. Since you want medical/scientific evidence. Here it is...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/921419
that talks about fasting in morbidly obese people, 7% of people kept their weight off, that has nothing to do with the method of weight loss. It was due to dietary habits.
Fasting is a lot more extreme then the supposed "12000 calories a day diet" The weight was lost, and can stay off, if you have good eating habits.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15741046
This one states "what i am doing" is healthy and improves your health, and makes you resistant to disease. I didn't need a "medical journal" to tell me this. Because I have a brain and I can use it.

mielikkibz

This one states "what i am doing" is healthy and improves your health, and makes you resistant to disease. I didn't need a "medical journal" to tell me this. Because I have a brain and I can use it.

Sorry, but everyone has a brain and can use it. .doesn't make you special. .

These boards are dangerous, with people like the above spouting off stuff that someone who doesn't know better may take as gospel and endanger themselves.

If you can't see that, well, enuff said

registers

This one states "what i am doing" is healthy and improves your health, and makes you resistant to disease. I didn't need a "medical journal" to tell me this. Because I have a brain and I can use it.

Sorry, but everyone has a brain and can use it. .doesn't make you special. .

These boards are dangerous, with people like the above spouting off stuff that someone who doesn't know better may take as gospel and endanger themselves.

If you can't see that, well, enuff said

Not sure if you're talking about dieting in general, or the starvation mode thing. There's really nothing to say about the starvation mode. If you're talking about what i said about how i structure my diet. I have never advised anyone to do it. I wouldn't do that. Not once have i said the standard rule of thumb doesn't work. I can see the dangers in it, and people can jump to conclusions, and try their own thing.