Insanely frustrated...

shorerider

Oh of course, I didn't mean NOT to exercise. I meant we can't think "I work out so much, why aren't I losing?"

As far as an increase in muscle...it just doesn't happen with a caloric deficit. We can prevent a big loss of LBM by eating enough, but exercise alone doesn't actually prevent the loss of LBM (which is why it's SO important to eat enough).

I gotta disagree based on personal experience. I have gained muscle with a deficit. My legs are developing incredible muscles. Almost scary to feel my thigh muscles and think what they'll look like once the fat's gone. Not sure if that's what you mean or not though--your scientist talks makes my head go round sometimes.

songbyrdsweet

Oh of course, I didn't mean NOT to exercise. I meant we can't think "I work out so much, why aren't I losing?"

As far as an increase in muscle...it just doesn't happen with a caloric deficit. We can prevent a big loss of LBM by eating enough, but exercise alone doesn't actually prevent the loss of LBM (which is why it's SO important to eat enough).

I gotta disagree based on personal experience. I have gained muscle with a deficit. My legs are developing incredible muscles. Almost scary to feel my thigh muscles and think what they'll look like once the fat's gone. Not sure if that's what you mean or not though--your scientist talks makes my head go round sometimes.

That's a combination of neurological development and fat loss. The fat loss allows you to better see the pre-existing muscles under the skin. The neurological development allows you to recruit more muscles during contraction, so they feel harder and more dense. But you still have the same number of muscle cells and they're still the same size with the exception of sometimes being swollen with glycogen. You just won't gain pounds from added muscle in a deficit.

shorerider

You just won't gain pounds from added muscle in a deficit.

I hope not! I do know that muscle doesn't "weigh" more than fat but is more dense than fat. And, I also know that I will gain or at least maintain for a day or so or week ( ) after a weight training work-out. I finally learned that's because one can retain fluid after weight training.

Which is why I've scaled those back now to only once every week or even once every 2 weeks. I want to lose some more fat first before starting to really "tone." Plus, the cycling works the legs more than enough for that part of the body.

Now, tell me, when do you start studying pre-men women and their physiology and weight loss conundrums because have I got some questions for you then!

songbyrdsweet

You just won't gain pounds from added muscle in a deficit.

I hope not! I do know that muscle doesn't "weigh" more than fat but is more dense than fat. And, I also know that I will gain or at least maintain for a day or so or week ( ) after a weight training work-out. I finally learned that's because one can retain fluid after weight training.

Which is why I've scaled those back now to only once every week or even once every 2 weeks. I want to lose some more fat first before starting to really "tone." Plus, the cycling works the legs more than enough for that part of the body.

Now, tell me, when do you start studying pre-men women and their physiology and weight loss conundrums because have I got some questions for you then!

Our weight fluctuations have a TON to do with glycogen. The harder we work, and the more depleted we get, the more we can store. You can store LOADS since you bike for so long, and that all has to bind to water, so it's more retention than you'd get from just the diet. So glycogen/water+water retention+food weight+waste= huge changes in weight for no apparent reason. It's not fat or muscle, it's just that you have become really excellent at storing the fuel you need to bike for so long.

To reap the benefits of resistance training, you do have to do it at least twice a week. Once a week is the equivalent of pretty much not doing it at all because you will detrain from one week to the next. Water retention isn't fun, but neither is osteopoenia. If you're over 30, you're losing bone density each day. Don't do it to increase muscle definition--do it to maintain your bone mass.

I have already learned about women's 'life changes' haha...I can answer your Q's to the best of my ability.

shorerider

I have already learned about women's 'life changes' haha...I can answer your Q's to the best of my ability.

Oh boy!

going have to get a list together!

Well, don't have THAT many but it has certainly made all this even more frustrating and aggravating!

Beddie-bye time for this old woman now though. I might PM you tomorrow!

songbyrdsweet

I have already learned about women's 'life changes' haha...I can answer your Q's to the best of my ability.

Oh boy!

going have to get a list together!

Well, don't have THAT many but it has certainly made all this even more frustrating and aggravating!

Beddie-bye time for this old woman now though. I might PM you tomorrow!

Sounds good, I have to study for my physiology quiz Thurs :sick:

SuzieQT

Now I'm just confused. :noway:
Eat more? Eat less? Eat the same?
Do more cardio? Do more strength training?
I feel very unsure about my entire routine now....

PrincessLaundry

Now I'm just confused. :noway:
Eat more? Eat less? Eat the same?
Do more cardio? Do more strength training?
I feel very unsure about my entire routine now....

Hey there!!! How are you feeling today???

So...Here's what someone told me. A sweet guy friend.
He said that my current plan isn't working right? So try something new, and just do it.

Eat enough food so your body can function correctly. You wouldn't put 1 gallon of gas in your car each day right? Because wouldn't your car not run as well? If at all? So give your body enough food! Fuel that machine so you can function correctly and it will run smoothly.

connieq288

Now I'm just confused. :noway:
Eat more? Eat less? Eat the same?
Do more cardio? Do more strength training?
I feel very unsure about my entire routine now....

I think I agree with you. They just confused me more. I guess I will just continue to do what I am doing. I am losing weight.

Connie

shorerider

Now I'm just confused. :noway:
Eat more? Eat less? Eat the same?
Do more cardio? Do more strength training?
I feel very unsure about my entire routine now....

I think I agree with you. They just confused me more. I guess I will just continue to do what I am doing. I am losing weight.

Connie

Guys, ignore most of what me and songbyrd were discussing--sorry! It was addressing my situation in particular more than others in general really.

Just exercise, burn calories, keep to MFP's guidelines, and you'll be ok!

kerrilucko

Now I'm just confused. :noway:
Eat more? Eat less? Eat the same?
Do more cardio? Do more strength training?
I feel very unsure about my entire routine now....

Keep doing EXACTLY what you're doing. Eat the number of calories MFP suggests and excercise regularly. If another month goes by and you're seeing no change, then you should start playing with your calories. Until then, don't worry about it. Also, make sure you are taking youor measurements too! SOmetimes you will see changes there but not in the numbers on the scale. good luck! :flowerforyou:

SuzieQT

I really want to thank all of you guys for your tips and support!
I tweaked my goals to 1 lb per week loss and more exercise. So we'll see how it goes!
Wish me luck and thanks again! :smooched:

Juliebean

Well thanks! :smooched: I'm 5'8" naturally curvy and I've got a pretty average frame I think. My boyfriend always tells me I wouldn't be overweight if I didn't wear a D cup and have baby making hips lol. I think I'm going to try decreasing my per week goal and see if it helps any. Thanks for the suggestion!

Check out this site--it's got a "ideal body weight" calculator that uses body frame size. It seems to agree with many others I've used. It also tells you how to measure your body frame and it's simple!


http://www.healthcentral.com/diet-exercise/ideal-body-weight-3146-143.html

Shore, thanks so much for this website! I went and checked out what my "ideal body weight" is and it's actually about 30-50 pounds more than I had thought! Obviously I will still set my sights on the lower number than I am striving for, but it's nice to know that I have a "buffer" and can still be termed "ideal." Yay and thanks again! :flowerforyou:

LAPETITERUSE

You just won't gain pounds from added muscle in a deficit.

I hope not! I do know that muscle doesn't "weigh" more than fat but is more dense than fat. And, I also know that I will gain or at least maintain for a day or so or week ( ) after a weight training work-out. I finally learned that's because one can retain fluid after weight training.

Which is why I've scaled those back now to only once every week or even once every 2 weeks. I want to lose some more fat first before starting to really "tone." Plus, the cycling works the legs more than enough for that part of the body.

Now, tell me, when do you start studying pre-men women and their physiology and weight loss conundrums because have I got some questions for you then!

Actually - muscle does WEIGH more than fat by mass volume - meaning 1 lb of fat has almost twice the mass of 1 lb of muscle.

I'm linking a photo, but not sure if it's gonna work.

<a href="http://s148.photobucket.com/albums/s24/lapetiteruse/?action=view&current=FatvsMuscle.jpg&quot; target="_blank"><img src="http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s24/lapetiteruse/FatvsMuscle.jpg&quot; border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

LAPETITERUSE

You just won't gain pounds from added muscle in a deficit.

I hope not! I do know that muscle doesn't "weigh" more than fat but is more dense than fat. And, I also know that I will gain or at least maintain for a day or so or week ( ) after a weight training work-out. I finally learned that's because one can retain fluid after weight training.

Which is why I've scaled those back now to only once every week or even once every 2 weeks. I want to lose some more fat first before starting to really "tone." Plus, the cycling works the legs more than enough for that part of the body.

Now, tell me, when do you start studying pre-men women and their physiology and weight loss conundrums because have I got some questions for you then!

Actually - muscle does WEIGH more than fat by mass volume - meaning 1 lb of fat has almost twice the mass of 1 lb of muscle.

I'm linking a photo, but not sure if it's gonna work.

<a href="http://s148.photobucket.com/albums/s24/lapetiteruse/?action=view&current=FatvsMuscle.jpg&quot; target="_blank"><img src="http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s24/lapetiteruse/FatvsMuscle.jpg&quot; border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

well that didn't work. How bout this

LAPETITERUSE

You just won't gain pounds from added muscle in a deficit.

I hope not! I do know that muscle doesn't "weigh" more than fat but is more dense than fat. And, I also know that I will gain or at least maintain for a day or so or week ( ) after a weight training work-out. I finally learned that's because one can retain fluid after weight training.

Which is why I've scaled those back now to only once every week or even once every 2 weeks. I want to lose some more fat first before starting to really "tone." Plus, the cycling works the legs more than enough for that part of the body.

Now, tell me, when do you start studying pre-men women and their physiology and weight loss conundrums because have I got some questions for you then!

Actually - muscle does WEIGH more than fat by mass volume - meaning 1 lb of fat has almost twice the mass of 1 lb of muscle.

I'm linking a photo, but not sure if it's gonna work.

<a href="http://s148.photobucket.com/albums/s24/lapetiteruse/?action=view&current=FatvsMuscle.jpg&quot; target="_blank"><img src="http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s24/lapetiteruse/FatvsMuscle.jpg&quot; border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

well that didn't work. How bout this

anyone know how to get a photobucket image to display in forum? Until then, copy paste the link in your browser to see the picture of 1 lb of muscle vs 1 lb of fat and then figure out why when you gain muscle weight, you lose inches...

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s24/lapetiteruse/FatvsMuscle.jpg

beahurey

You can do it! You are doing the right thing by being motivated to be healthier. Keep that in mind at all times and you will reach your goal! Keep the end result in mind always!!! :flowerforyou: