Do you ever have to make yourself eat?
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What's wrong with eating 800 calories a day?? If she's not hungry she shouldn't eat. You want to train her to overeat?? is that your goal so she gains weight? This is a risk to someone's health, you know low calories diets have been linked to longer life span, you trying to kill the woman??? If you don't know what you're talking about don't advise.
You're like a pro-ana girl trapped in a fat man's body.
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One person said I should be banned, another said... , others say my advice is "dangerous".... yet with no evidence of it. Sounds like the media, just randomly stating facts with out any evidence. So I'll ignore those.
Once again, "COMMON SENSE" is lacking. To lose weight you need to create a caloric deficit. should I repeat? COMMON SENSE. The greater the caloric deficit, the greater the weight loss. COMMON SENSE, i repeat again "COMMON SENSE" once again.. "COMMON SENSE" and one for the win "COMMON SENSE."
If this is false, gastric bypass wouldn't work, plan and simple.
I am the one who is giving dangerous advice... THINK ABOUT IT, NICE AND HARD... This woman is "used to eat low amount of calories" that's obvious. You want to force feed her, you think force feeding someone has no ill side effects? How do most people gain weight, BY OVER EATING. COMMON SENSE. The more you eat, the more calories you take in. COMMON SENSE.
I didn't say "lower your caloric intake" i said "if you're not hungry don't eat." that's all I said... You want her to force feed herself, which can lead to severe metabolic trauma. I am the one giving dangerous advice??? THINK ABOUT IT.
THe entire thing about it "speeding up your metabolism" here are the FACTS, THE TRUTH...
For every 100 calories you eat of fat, 3 calories are burned in digestion, for carbohydrates 11
calories, for proteins 20 calories.
If you eat 100 calories of protein to speed up your metabolism. You would burn 20 calories. You'd be better off not eating the 100 calories in the first place. COMMON SENSE.
Once again, all i said was "if you're not hungry don't eat." That's all... I know people can't read to well on here so let me clarify. I didn't say "EAT LESS" i didn't say "EAT MORE."
People need to put their "fitness magazines" away... and get educated.
To support what I have said, here are countless studies.
fasting burns 5 times more fat.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12051710
http://jap.physiology.org/content/99/6/2128.full
resistance training and fasting, weight is preserved, insulin is down
http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/22/5/684
Weight training prevents muscle loss on a low calorie diet
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10204826
Multiple feedings has no effect on the BMR or Active metabolic rate
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8399092
breakfast slows down oxidation
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10967612
fasting longer than 6hrs increses fat oxidation,
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15212756
Low fat high carb diet lowers fat oxidation
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11171592
eating late verses early
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3508745
skipping breakfast
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10967612
taso, you're a skinny woman in a skinny mans body.
If you people are going to randomly make claims, or state things about me. Please provide scientific evidence that states the counterary, if you can't do that, more than likely your claims are invalid.0 -
No, I never force myself to eat. I spent a month eating my exercise calories (from my HRM) and making sure my NET calories were close to 1200 and I only lost 1 pound in a month, not to mention often felt overly stuffed or sick most days. Now on average I burn 500-700 calories a day and only eat back about 1/3 of them and usually end up with a NET of 800-1000 calories and I am losing an average of about 3-3.5 pounds a week. I feel better and I don't feel like I am over eating anymore. That is what has worked for me.0
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One last thing, we know this woman has a hard time eating her calories, people keep on telling her to eat more. She has been on this site, for about a month, and lost 11lbs. That throws what most of the people are saying in the garbage. I quote myself "common sense" :-D0
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taso, you're a skinny woman in a skinny mans body.
thanks bro. i used to be fat though. and then i decided to get fit. i burned my fat and became the healthiest i have been in my life. i have succeeded in my goal and i am proud. you have no idea how proud.
i am trying my best to help everyone succeed here.
my next goal is to add muscle so that i'm not so skinny any more. i will succeed there too. because i always succeed in what i set my mind to.
your ticker says you have 93 lbs left to lose. how about you lose about 73 or 83 of those. get into the home stretch, and then come back here and preach your nonsense.
edit: i predict you will just keep making new excuses and keep trying out new experiments, and teeter back and forth gaining and losing weight, while continuing to preach your nonsense all over the forums here. this is my challenge to you: back up your nonsense with some results. or just cut the *kitten* and stick to tried and true principles of fitness and weight loss. what's more important? trying over and over to prove some ridiculous ideas, or becoming as fit as possible?0 -
One last thing, we know this woman has a hard time eating her calories, people keep on telling her to eat more. She has been on this site, for about a month, and lost 11lbs. That throws what most of the people are saying in the garbage. I quote myself "common sense" :-D
There's more people on this site that eat their calories and then some and still lose. I generally eat all my calories allowed and sometimes dip into my exercise calories. Your way may work for you but it's not healthy. I'm sure this woman and other people with COMMON SENSE (as you call it) will see that the healthy way isn't to starve yourself but to nourish your body and fuel it up so that you can continue working out to the best of your body's' ability. You may love to feel sluggish and slow (yet lose weight) but I think there are a lot more people who would rather feel happy, healthy and energized. Gotta put fuel in that car to make it run
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Run your car on fumes if you want to run out of gas. Common sense.
Don't eat if you want to feel like crap and be unhealthy. Common sense.0 -
The fact that asmcriminal thinks calling someone a woman is an insult pretty much says it all.0
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every day that i work! i never end up having time to eat very much nor do i want to. working kills my appetite i've been working at papa johns for about 2 & 1/2 years and have ate enough pizza for the rest of my life! so the smell of pizza totally grosses me out.0
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taso, you're a skinny woman in a skinny mans body.
thanks bro. i used to be fat though. and then i decided to get fit. i burned my fat and became the healthiest i have been in my life. i have succeeded in my goal and i am proud. you have no idea how proud.
i am trying my best to help everyone succeed here.
my next goal is to add muscle so that i'm not so skinny any more. i will succeed there too. because i always succeed in what i set my mind to.
your ticker says you have 93 lbs left to lose. how about you lose about 73 or 83 of those. get into the home stretch, and then come back here and preach your nonsense.
edit: i predict you will just keep making new excuses and keep trying out new experiments, and teeter back and forth gaining and losing weight, while continuing to preach your nonsense all over the forums here. this is my challenge to you: back up your nonsense with some results. or just cut the *kitten* and stick to tried and true principles of fitness and weight loss. what's more important? trying over and over to prove some ridiculous ideas, or becoming as fit as possible?
Taso if you have read my profile you will know I lost over 100lbs. I gained most back because a bad time in mexico. If you pay attentoin to the guys on my friends list who are actually built with low % bodyfat, they all agree with what I say. I am backing up what I am saying. The 3 weeks I lost the 20lbs, I barely exercised to a bad back. I think i exercised for one week. Now I am my back is better. Not once have i said "the tried and true methods are invalid." They work, not saying they don't. Can this woman lose weight by increasing her calories.. She can, never said she couldn't. You probably already know eating 6 times a day or once a day has no effect on BMR or AMR. You want to eat 6 times a day that's your choice, i got no issue with that. It does work, doesn't say it doesn't. There are better ways, that's all I am saying. Eating 6 times a day or once a day, if you create a caloric deficit that's what matters. Obviously if the caloric deficit isn't that much the less weight you will lose. This woman is fine with how she's eating.. as the topic suggest "do you ever have to make yourself eat?" she's not hungry. If she was hungry i'd advise her to eat. She not hungry though. She's fine.
Carbs effect heavy people and thin people differently. This implies, a person who is over weight has to do things differently than a thin person trying to get similar results.0 -
YES! there are times when I am not hungry at all... AND I do mean 'not at all' through the entire day. Then there are those days where I can eat the entire house.0
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thanks for sharing those links. i USED to eat when I was hungry, just as my granny taught me. But then I started reading this and that, and started to believe I was supposed to eat every two or three hours. Well, sometimes, most times, I am not hungry. Needless to say, I feel like a glutton, a pig, and just plain old greedy. I do find some truth in what everyone is saying on MFP. There is a certain amount of truth in everything that is spoken, we just have to pick the meat from the bones.
Because of my eating and eating, sometimes my appetite is so big that I am constantly running to the kitchen.
So much to learn.
Anyway, thanks for the links!0 -
One last thing, we know this woman has a hard time eating her calories, people keep on telling her to eat more. She has been on this site, for about a month, and lost 11lbs. That throws what most of the people are saying in the garbage. I quote myself "common sense" :-D
There's more people on this site that eat their calories and then some and still lose. I generally eat all my calories allowed and sometimes dip into my exercise calories. Your way may work for you but it's not healthy. I'm sure this woman and other people with COMMON SENSE (as you call it) will see that the healthy way isn't to starve yourself but to nourish your body and fuel it up so that you can continue working out to the best of your body's' ability. You may love to feel sluggish and slow (yet lose weight) but I think there are a lot more people who would rather feel happy, healthy and energized. Gotta put fuel in that car to make it run
This goes to both of the ladies post, the one I am quoting and the other one who mentioned "running on fumes if you want to run out of gas." Not once have i mentioned "starving yourself." I haven't mentioned "my ways" of eating. Both of you use the car analogy and the gas. What you're "actually doing" is putting gas in the tank when it's already full. You are NOT RUNNING ON EMPTY, trust me. WHat happens when people eat a big meal, think of the "crash hour" at lunch time. There is a difference between eating more and eating. I never said "don't eat" and I never said "eat more" or "eat less". Eating increases insulin which in turn will store bodyfat if the muscles are full of glyocgen. EATING PREVENTS you from losing fat. Eating also triggers the PNS(parasympathetic nervous system) what this does it slows down your body, makes you tired and lethargic. We have all ate a big meal and just felt very tired and relaxed this is the PNS in action. If you don't eat such a big meal yes, the PNS isn't triggered as much but this doesn't mean it's not triggered it's still triggered every time you eat. I personally don't eat during the day and eat at night time. when I "WANT TO FEEL TIRED." During the day, since I am not eating the opposite effects occurs, it gives you adrenaline and GH secretions. Which keeps you energize and alert and it also preserves muscle tissue. Also this lowers your insulin level which increase glucagon once your glucose level goes below 70. What this does it "liberates fat." You can't pull this off eating 6 times a day.
Does this mean you can't lose weight eating 6 times a day? NO, you can lose weight as long as you're in a caloric deficit. There are times when it's necessary to eat more for maximum performance and results, but this woman doesn't fall in to this category.0 -
thanks for sharing those links. i USED to eat when I was hungry, just as my granny taught me. But then I started reading this and that, and started to believe I was supposed to eat every two or three hours. Well, sometimes, most times, I am not hungry. Needless to say, I feel like a glutton, a pig, and just plain old greedy. I do find some truth in what everyone is saying on MFP. There is a certain amount of truth in everything that is spoken, we just have to pick the meat from the bones.
Because of my eating and eating, sometimes my appetite is so big that I am constantly running to the kitchen.
So much to learn.
Anyway, thanks for the links!
I agree, there is some truth in everything, but it's highly misinterpreted. Like in your situation, you know when to eat your body will tell you. This goes back to the old saying "listen to your body" if people aren't hungry they shouldn't eat, if they are hungry they should eat.0 -
thanks for sharing those links. i USED to eat when I was hungry, just as my granny taught me. But then I started reading this and that, and started to believe I was supposed to eat every two or three hours. Well, sometimes, most times, I am not hungry. Needless to say, I feel like a glutton, a pig, and just plain old greedy. I do find some truth in what everyone is saying on MFP. There is a certain amount of truth in everything that is spoken, we just have to pick the meat from the bones.
Because of my eating and eating, sometimes my appetite is so big that I am constantly running to the kitchen.
So much to learn.
Anyway, thanks for the links!
I agree, there is some truth in everything, but it's highly misinterpreted. Like in your situation, you know when to eat your body will tell you. This goes back to the old saying "listen to your body" if people aren't hungry they shouldn't eat, if they are hungry they should eat.
There's just no reasoning with you is there? Who are you helping here? Are you doing this just for kicks? People ended up on this site for a reason - usually bad eating and exercise habits. Before I even got any interest in health and fitness, I would listen to my body daily. It would say "i want a banana nut bread". "i want to eat a box of mac and cheese". "oh i'm gonna be healthy today and eat a salad". "oh i was healthy yesterday so today i'll eat a cheesesteak". Guess what happened? I was getting fatter and fatter. Nobody held me down and force-fed me. What happened to you down in Mexico? Did the Federales hold a gun to your head and force you to eat? Was you body saying to stop eating but you kept forcing yourself to? \
Overeating is easy to do when you haven't got a clue. And so is undereating. After months or years of bad habits, sometimes our bodies don't know how to give the right signals any more. There are people on this site who eat a net of 0 to 800 calories a day. Every day. After a while these people's hunger signals are messed up. If they suddenly eat a "normal" amount one day, they'll feel stuffed. Getting out of that situation is a process. It takes some gradual adjusting. Often there's an eating disorder involved. This is even harder to get out of than a "bad habit". Sometimes a bad habit can lead to an eating disorder. And what do you do? You encourage the bad habits and disorders. Do you really think you're helping anyone here?
This chronic under-eating thing seems to be the #1 issue that people have on this site. Some of these people have serious food issues - guilt, binging, purging, anorexia, and need some good guidance. You are doing harm to ones unfortunate enough to take your advice to heart.
Dozens of people have tried to reason with you in prior threads and have gotten nowhere. I don't even know why I'm still typing.
"If your hungry eat. If you're not hungry don't eat" sounds like great advice, and for most people on earth it probably is. But the people on this site don't represent an even sample of "most people on earth". The majority are here to lose weight, and the majority gained their weight by eating according to their intuition. When we "graduate" from here, with all new habits ingrained into our brains and bodies, then we can eat intuitively and it will be healthy. So basically the people that your message is for are not the people who are in this community.
What else can I say? This is all COMMON SENSE, no?0 -
One day of under eating probably won't kill you. Just like one day of over eating won't kill you either. It is when you are consistently under-eating, or over-eating that you will develop your problems. Try following MFP's guidelines as best you can, Plan in advance, if you can, You will probably get better results that way, and you will be less likely to stray. If you find yourself not getting the weight loss you are supposed to be getting, try tweaking a little. Make sure you are measuring correctly, and getting a correct calorie count on your burn, You may be burning more, or less than you think. Most numbers are just estimates.0
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thanks for sharing those links. i USED to eat when I was hungry, just as my granny taught me. But then I started reading this and that, and started to believe I was supposed to eat every two or three hours. Well, sometimes, most times, I am not hungry. Needless to say, I feel like a glutton, a pig, and just plain old greedy. I do find some truth in what everyone is saying on MFP. There is a certain amount of truth in everything that is spoken, we just have to pick the meat from the bones.
Because of my eating and eating, sometimes my appetite is so big that I am constantly running to the kitchen.
So much to learn.
Anyway, thanks for the links!
I agree, there is some truth in everything, but it's highly misinterpreted. Like in your situation, you know when to eat your body will tell you. This goes back to the old saying "listen to your body" if people aren't hungry they shouldn't eat, if they are hungry they should eat.
There's just no reasoning with you is there? Who are you helping here? Are you doing this just for kicks? People ended up on this site for a reason - usually bad eating and exercise habits. Before I even got any interest in health and fitness, I would listen to my body daily. It would say "i want a banana nut bread". "i want to eat a box of mac and cheese". "oh i'm gonna be healthy today and eat a salad". "oh i was healthy yesterday so today i'll eat a cheesesteak". Guess what happened? I was getting fatter and fatter. Nobody held me down and force-fed me. What happened to you down in Mexico? Did the Federales hold a gun to your head and force you to eat? Was you body saying to stop eating but you kept forcing yourself to? \
Overeating is easy to do when you haven't got a clue. And so is undereating. After months or years of bad habits, sometimes our bodies don't know how to give the right signals any more. There are people on this site who eat a net of 0 to 800 calories a day. Every day. After a while these people's hunger signals are messed up. If they suddenly eat a "normal" amount one day, they'll feel stuffed. Getting out of that situation is a process. It takes some gradual adjusting. Often there's an eating disorder involved. This is even harder to get out of than a "bad habit". Sometimes a bad habit can lead to an eating disorder. And what do you do? You encourage the bad habits and disorders. Do you really think you're helping anyone here?
This chronic under-eating thing seems to be the #1 issue that people have on this site. Some of these people have serious food issues - guilt, binging, purging, anorexia, and need some good guidance. You are doing harm to ones unfortunate enough to take your advice to heart.
Dozens of people have tried to reason with you in prior threads and have gotten nowhere. I don't even know why I'm still typing.
"If your hungry eat. If you're not hungry don't eat" sounds like great advice, and for most people on earth it probably is. But the people on this site don't represent an even sample of "most people on earth". The majority are here to lose weight, and the majority gained their weight by eating according to their intuition. When we "graduate" from here, with all new habits ingrained into our brains and bodies, then we can eat intuitively and it will be healthy. So basically the people that your message is for are not the people who are in this community.
What else can I say? This is all COMMON SENSE, no?
The thing isn't necessarily about "good or bad advice" The other advice is fine, it "can" result in weight loss. I don't think the signal can be misinterpreted, we just ignore it. Most of us on here have stuffed our face at one time or another and we knew we shouldn't be doing it. I honestly don't see any benefit of this person eating more. As she lose weight, she will eat closer to her AMR. I know her metabolism is suppressed no question about that I am sure we all agree on that. She is losing weight, she's getting results with her suppressed metabolism. As she improves her fitness and loses weight she will eventually need more calories. At this time it's not needed. We don't know what her "ACTUAL" BMR is, her metabolism might be so suppressed it's at 1000 calories a day. Does she even exercise? we don't know. There are many factors to take in to consideration. People that just randomly say "eat more" with out thinking of the possible consequences, that's what bothers me. It's common sense the more she eats the less the caloric deficit. This can slow down her progress.0 -
OP: Yea, I do. Your body needs certain things, and I want to make sure I give mine what it needs. I used to have a tainted idea of portion size and such, and after about two weeks of painful forced eating, the new amount and sized are normal, and it's not hard to eat them. I also think, sometimes, psychologically, when we start weight loss, we subconsciously tell ourselves we're not hungry, because in our head, if you eat a lot less, weight flies off, and we turn that desire for food off. I wouldn't say make yourself so full you throw up, but I think sometimes forcing yourself to eat is what needs to happen.0
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Asmcriminal, you tout your "3 weeks I lost 18 lbs" as your proof that whatever noodling around you're doing is working, but as I recall, last week you kept spouting "in 2 weeks I lost 20 lbs" as your proof.
Not that I am a Nobel laureate in mathematics, but that would imply to me that you gained 2 lbs in the past week. See what I'm getting at here?
I've also seen you say on other threads that PTs aren't nutritionists so don't listen to them. I would conjecture that you are even FURTHER from a nutritionist than a Licensed PT.0 -
Undereating is just as bad as overeating. The reason everyone says eat more when someone is clearly eating a quantity adequate for my 6 yr old is that you cannot sustain your health if you do it for very long. Food is not the enemy. Food is essential to our very being. Eating miniscule amounts of food may lead to malnutrition if done over long periods of time. If you are going to eat less than what the World Health Organization has detemined to be the minimum a man or woman requires in order to prevent malnutrition, then DO SO ONLY UNDER A DOCTOR'S CLOSE SUPERVISION.
Don't pay any attention to the internet expert-wanna-be's. They are not the ones who will suffer when your health is harmed.0 -
Though I may not agree with everything asmcriminal says...he does have a right to say it. I think several people on this site are being really negative. Look this is not a one size (no pun intended) or one formula works for everyone type of thing. Weight loss is not easy-if it were we wouldn't be the fattest nation in the world. I think programs like Weight Watchers and MFP are great especially for people who need to learn healthy habits and portion control. However, these are not the only way to solve the problem of weight loss...
I haver a friend who just dropped 20 pounds and really doesn't eat much. She eats when hungry and definitely is well under 1200 cals a day. This works for her - she is a single mom with 2 boys and is extrmemely busy. She eats a little when hungry. She looks fantastic and is healthy because she eats veggies, fiber, and lean meats when hungry. The point is why would you eat if you are not hungry-you wouldn't take your car to the carwash if it wasn't dirty because that would be a waste of money.
I have struggled most of my adult life with weight. I weighed 200 in college and 230 (gaining 80 pounds with both of my pregnancies). I am currently 157lbs., 5"7', and a size 8. I am not done. When I am well under my 1450 cals a day, I lose weight. Some days I eat the MFP recommendations because life is about balance. The point is the media is constantly changing their recommendations on what is healthy-one day carbs are good, then they are bad, then healthy carbs-one day fat is bad, then healthy fats are good. The point is everyone is different, everyone's body chemistry and genetics are different. The bottom line is you need a calorie deficit to lose weight. I have to agree with asmcriminal.
Also, the theory about not eating enough to lose weight has been "blown out of the water" by anorexics, bullimics, gastric bypass patients, lap band surgery patients and anyone who has ever lost weight due to illness. I do not recommend these as ways to lose weight, but people do not gain weight who have any of these issues.
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Though I may not agree with everything asmcriminal says...he does have a right to say it. I think several people on this site are being really negative. Look this is not a one size (no pun intended) or one formula works for everyone type of thing. Weight loss is not easy-if it were we wouldn't be the fattest nation in the world. I think programs like Weight Watchers and MFP are great especially for people who need to learn healthy habits and portion control. However, these are not the only way to solve the problem of weight loss...
I haver a friend who just dropped 20 pounds and really doesn't eat much. She eats when hungry and definitely is well under 1200 cals a day. This works for her - she is a single mom with 2 boys and is extrmemely busy. She eats a little when hungry. She looks fantastic and is healthy because she eats veggies, fiber, and lean meats when hungry. The point is why would you eat if you are not hungry-you wouldn't take your car to the carwash if it wasn't dirty because that would be a waste of money.
I have struggled most of my adult life with weight. I weighed 200 in college and 230 (gaining 80 pounds with both of my pregnancies). I am currently 157lbs., 5"7', and a size 8. I am not done. When I am well under my 1450 cals a day, I lose weight. Some days I eat the MFP recommendations because life is about balance. The point is the media is constantly changing their recommendations on what is healthy-one day carbs are good, then they are bad, then healthy carbs-one day fat is bad, then healthy fats are good. The point is everyone is different, everyone's body chemistry and genetics are different. The bottom line is you need a calorie deficit to lose weight. I have to agree with asmcriminal.
Also, the theory about not eating enough to lose weight has been "blown out of the water" by anorexics, bullimics, gastric bypass patients, lap band surgery patients and anyone who has ever lost weight due to illness. I do not recommend these as ways to lose weight, but people do not gain weight who have any of these issues.
Just sayin'
First, I will say, yes there are lots of different VALID strategies that can result in HEALTHY weight loss. Undereating is not one of them, because it is NOT HEALTHY. I can cut off my arm and lose weight...is it a healthy way to do it? Probably not. I can do meth and lose weight. Is it a healthy way to do it. Not in my opinion. Losing weight and being healthy are not necessarily the same thing and there are a lot of strategies that will result in weight loss but are simply not healthy and can result in PERMANENT damage to your health. Offering an alternative opinion/strategy is one thing; encouraging dangerous behavior, under the guise of "professional" or even "educated" advice, is another - and is unacceptable.
Do some people get away with using poor or dangerous strategies to control weight for a while? Sure. I did it for years. I was very thin. But I was also VERY unhealthy and it did serious damage, mentally and physically. I greatly regret it now. I, and others, simply wish to help others to not go through that.
There are people, in VERY specific circumstances, who are placed on a VLCD (very low calorie diet - usually 500-1000 cals) by a physician. This is almost always when the person is obese or morbidly obese and suffering from medical conditions related to obesity and need to lose weight quickly to avoid extreme risks from those conditions. Does this mean that a VLCD is healthy or completely safe, even for someone who is obese? No. VLCD's carry MANY risks. It just means that for some people, the benefits outweigh the risks. But the risks are still there. And these people are closely monitored by physicians and given VERY specific diets to make sure minimal nutritional needs are met. But people have still died or suffered serious medical conditions from VLCD's. And that's obese people. The consequences for someone near a healthy BMI are FAR higher.
These are just some of the valid medical studies that show SOME of the risks from underfeeding/VLCD's.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=8777329&dopt=AbstractPlus
http://journals.lww.com/amjmedsci/pages/articleviewer.aspx?year=2001&issue=04000&article=00007&type=abstract
http://www.annals.org/content/130/6/471.full
http://www.annals.org/content/119/10/1029.full
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=2051001&dopt=Citation
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0689/is_n3_v41/ai_17516395/
http://www.ajcn.org/content/49/1/93.full.pdf+html
http://www.ajcn.org/content/45/2/391.full.pdf+html
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0887/is_n7-8_v15/ai_18602507/
And undereating and anorexia/bulimia are entirely different issues, with VERY different manifestations, risks and outcomes. Anorexics get thin by not eating at all - not undereating. Bulimics are more often overweight than normal/underweight. And WLS patients have HUGE amounts of weight to lose, large fat stores to draw from when on an LCD/VLCD. Comparing most people on this website to any of those people is simply not realistic at all.
Might help to read these.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/230930-starvation-mode-how-it-works
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/222019-60-lbs-in-60-days?hl=60+lbs0 -
The sky is purple. Look, I can misinform people on the internet too. How cool.0
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There's just no reasoning with you is there? Who are you helping here? Are you doing this just for kicks? People ended up on this site for a reason - usually bad eating and exercise habits. Before I even got any interest in health and fitness, I would listen to my body daily. It would say "i want a banana nut bread". "i want to eat a box of mac and cheese". "oh i'm gonna be healthy today and eat a salad". "oh i was healthy yesterday so today i'll eat a cheesesteak". Guess what happened? I was getting fatter and fatter. Nobody held me down and force-fed me. What happened to you down in Mexico? Did the Federales hold a gun to your head and force you to eat? Was you body saying to stop eating but you kept forcing yourself to? \
Overeating is easy to do when you haven't got a clue. And so is undereating. After months or years of bad habits, sometimes our bodies don't know how to give the right signals any more. There are people on this site who eat a net of 0 to 800 calories a day. Every day. After a while these people's hunger signals are messed up. If they suddenly eat a "normal" amount one day, they'll feel stuffed. Getting out of that situation is a process. It takes some gradual adjusting. Often there's an eating disorder involved. This is even harder to get out of than a "bad habit". Sometimes a bad habit can lead to an eating disorder. And what do you do? You encourage the bad habits and disorders. Do you really think you're helping anyone here?
This chronic under-eating thing seems to be the #1 issue that people have on this site. Some of these people have serious food issues - guilt, binging, purging, anorexia, and need some good guidance. You are doing harm to ones unfortunate enough to take your advice to heart.
Dozens of people have tried to reason with you in prior threads and have gotten nowhere. I don't even know why I'm still typing.
"If your hungry eat. If you're not hungry don't eat" sounds like great advice, and for most people on earth it probably is. But the people on this site don't represent an even sample of "most people on earth". The majority are here to lose weight, and the majority gained their weight by eating according to their intuition. When we "graduate" from here, with all new habits ingrained into our brains and bodies, then we can eat intuitively and it will be healthy. So basically the people that your message is for are not the people who are in this community.
What else can I say? This is all COMMON SENSE, no?
THIS^^
Just copy and paste this, exactly, for every time this argument comes up (hopefully not for much longer, because it really doesn't belong on a site that promotes an achievable, long-term way of eating). This sums up so clearly why this advice is potentially dangerous. It might be useful to a select few, but not for those of us who are trying to create sustainable habits.0 -
I'm going to step in here to point something out... I am the OP. I started this thread not looking for advice as to whether I should eat or not, but wondering how many people get in this same boat. Commiseration and support. NOT Advice.
I have a BS in Engineering, and 75% of the way to a MS in Engineering, pursuing a PhD before I'm done. I'm not stupid, I'm not easily influenced by random internet trolls. I know what I need to do, I didn't post for advice. So don't worry about what message I'm picking up from either side of the debate this thread has evolved into. It is entertaining, but it isn't going to effect my plan in the slightest.
Also, for the record, I got to this weight by leading an extraordinarily stressed life and giving less than zero consideration to myself in the process. I didn't pay any attention to when and what I ate, which has thrown my metabolism for a loop over the last 10 years. Recently things have calmed down a bit and I have been able to put more focus on myself and see exactly what I have been doing to my body. I've done my research, met with my doctors, and I know what I need to do. Right now I'm focusing on changing my mindset and habits so I can do it.0 -
Someone say common sense again!!! Ooooh, and put it in ALL CAPS0
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I'm going to step in here to point something out... I am the OP. I started this thread not looking for advice as to whether I should eat or not, but wondering how many people get in this same boat. Commiseration and support. NOT Advice.
I have a BS in Engineering, and 75% of the way to a MS in Engineering, pursuing a PhD before I'm done. I'm not stupid, I'm not easily influenced by random internet trolls. I know what I need to do, I didn't post for advice. So don't worry about what message I'm picking up from either side of the debate this thread has evolved into. It is entertaining, but it isn't going to effect my plan in the slightest.
Also, for the record, I got to this weight by leading an extraordinarily stressed life and giving less than zero consideration to myself in the process. I didn't pay any attention to when and what I ate, which has thrown my metabolism for a loop over the last 10 years. Recently things have calmed down a bit and I have been able to put more focus on myself and see exactly what I have been doing to my body. I've done my research, met with my doctors, and I know what I need to do. Right now I'm focusing on changing my mindset and habits so I can do it.
I apologized over PM for participating in the devolution of this thread. Just also wanted to do it out here in the open as well. Clearly the whole thread has gotten way off track from the original simple question. When I was referring to those with food issues, disorders, etc, I was speaking generally, and in no way meant to imply the OP had any disorder or issue.
My very first answer in this thread was the only one on topic. The rest were just me taking internet troll's bait. Sorry I was a part of it.0 -
I'm going to step in here to point something out... I am the OP. I started this thread not looking for advice as to whether I should eat or not, but wondering how many people get in this same boat. Commiseration and support. NOT Advice.
I have a BS in Engineering, and 75% of the way to a MS in Engineering, pursuing a PhD before I'm done. I'm not stupid, I'm not easily influenced by random internet trolls. I know what I need to do, I didn't post for advice. So don't worry about what message I'm picking up from either side of the debate this thread has evolved into. It is entertaining, but it isn't going to effect my plan in the slightest.
Also, for the record, I got to this weight by leading an extraordinarily stressed life and giving less than zero consideration to myself in the process. I didn't pay any attention to when and what I ate, which has thrown my metabolism for a loop over the last 10 years. Recently things have calmed down a bit and I have been able to put more focus on myself and see exactly what I have been doing to my body. I've done my research, met with my doctors, and I know what I need to do. Right now I'm focusing on changing my mindset and habits so I can do it.
I apologized over PM for participating in the devolution of this thread. Just also wanted to do it out here in the open as well. Clearly the whole thread has gotten way off track from the original simple question. When I was referring to those with food issues, disorders, etc, I was speaking generally, and in no way meant to imply the OP had any disorder or issue.
My very first answer in this thread was the only one on topic. The rest were just me taking internet troll's bait. Sorry I was a part of it.
While I think it's terrible that this thread turned into what it did, I think it's important that you still shared your insight in response to another's misguided advice. You never know who's reading these threads in silence, and taking misguided advice, so it's important to get more accurate information out there, and I'm sure many people thank you for that.0 -
I'm going to step in here to point something out... I am the OP. I started this thread not looking for advice as to whether I should eat or not, but wondering how many people get in this same boat. Commiseration and support. NOT Advice.
I have a BS in Engineering, and 75% of the way to a MS in Engineering, pursuing a PhD before I'm done. I'm not stupid, I'm not easily influenced by random internet trolls. I know what I need to do, I didn't post for advice. So don't worry about what message I'm picking up from either side of the debate this thread has evolved into. It is entertaining, but it isn't going to effect my plan in the slightest.
Also, for the record, I got to this weight by leading an extraordinarily stressed life and giving less than zero consideration to myself in the process. I didn't pay any attention to when and what I ate, which has thrown my metabolism for a loop over the last 10 years. Recently things have calmed down a bit and I have been able to put more focus on myself and see exactly what I have been doing to my body. I've done my research, met with my doctors, and I know what I need to do. Right now I'm focusing on changing my mindset and habits so I can do it.
I apologize for contributing to hijacking your thread - it wasn't my intention at all. And while I'm glad you have the wisdom to understand that some strategies aren't healthy or safe, there are a lot of folks out there (especially lurkers) who aren't knowledgable enough about nutrition and weight loss to know who to listen to. So I don't like to stand idly by and let unsafe information be given without at least offering a different perspective and more complete info. Hope you can understand that. But again, sorry your thread went south.
As to your OP, I frequently have to make myself eat. I think part of why MFP is a great tool is that it can help you learn how to manage your intake, and what a healthy amount of healthy food is - and retrain your body/mind to function properly on it. I use MFP to help me keep on a schedule and eat when/what I should, whether I "feel like it", or not. Cause there are many days when I wouldn't eat at all, if it were left up to my appetite.
You might get something out of this post of mine -
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/175241-a-personal-view-on-exercise-cals-and-underfeeding
Congrats on starting the process, and good luck reaching your goals! :flowerforyou:0 -
People keep on saying, i am giving misguided advice, because i am recommending a Very Low Calorie Diet. Please copy and paste where i said "eat a low calorie diet?" Here is some great insight for people to think about. a VERY LOW CALORIE DIET is relevant to the person. People keep on saying "your method is unhealthy" What is my method? I mentioned she should continue her calories where she is at. This calorie level is what she is used to and will offer no undue stress. As one of the ladies said above "eating too much and eating too little can be dangerous" yes this is true, but what is "too little or too much" depends on the person CURRENT metabolism.
LadyHawk, I read those studies, VLCD results in death. What is a VLCD? once again its "relevant to the person"
to the OP, I don't over eat, sometimes I fast for like a day or so. It clean out toxins from your bodies. I don't do it often just sometimes, In the long run this lower caloric intake which has been proven to increase life span. Some Dr.'s even recommend it for cancer patients due to it's healing powers. I want to live longer, not shorter.0
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