Under in calories, but feeling "fatter"....

matwood74

I could use some help, once again!! :embarassed:

I have stayed on track with my calories, and have been mixing up my exercising and doing it every day. The last few days MFP has said I have been eating too FEW calories, which surprises me because my belly seems MORE bloated than usual and I feel like I've gained weight.
I exercise every single day, I never just sit around. I never eat over my calories either. So, what am I doing wrong? Is it in my head that my belly looks fatter? It's not that TOM so that's not it either. I'm tired of having "fat" days, and I don't understand what else I can do to help along my weight loss journey....... I'm just discouraged. Any ideas on what I should or could do??? Thanks!!!

wintermama13

have you taken measurements? Best place for me to start good luck

mariobadr

It could be what you're eating. I tend to bloat a little after drinking milk, but it levels out after the day.

registers

I could use some help, once again!! :embarassed:

I have stayed on track with my calories, and have been mixing up my exercising and doing it every day. The last few days MFP has said I have been eating too FEW calories, which surprises me because my belly seems MORE bloated than usual and I feel like I've gained weight.
I exercise every single day, I never just sit around. I never eat over my calories either. So, what am I doing wrong? Is it in my head that my belly looks fatter? It's not that TOM so that's not it either. I'm tired of having "fat" days, and I don't understand what else I can do to help along my weight loss journey....... I'm just discouraged. Any ideas on what I should or could do??? Thanks!!!

How can we even tell you if we can't see your diary. I'd assume you're eating a lot of carbs. Keep in mind that weightloss is not a "straight path" sometimes you will be up, some days you will be down. The point is how much you have lost in the long run. You lost 21lbs from the day you started, so that's good. Weight can fluctuate by 5lbs daily.

JennLifts

if it's sodium, try straight lemon juice. Might be too much fiber, not enough water to balance it. Might be gluten intolerant.
Fat days don't end. I feel like I've swallowed a balloon some days. Just how it is

dbzs

If you take in too few calories you're body will start to store fat because it thinks you're starving. Don't get too extreme on the diet. Keep up the exercise, and make sure you're lifting weights. Lean muscle mass is what burns calories and increases your resting metabolism. Hang in there!

dmitche3

Muscles weight more than fat so right now because u are toning muscles it seems that way then all of a sudden u will see a big drop i have the same issue but i stay movitated cause i know it's going to start to show.

mary4760

You know...this is crazy but its very true. Eating too few calories (under 1200) will make it hard to lose. Our bodies are kinda funny. If we arent getting enough cals our body will go into what is called "starvation mode" and our bodies natural response is, "Yikes, i'm gonna hold onto these fat cells because I don't know if I'm going to be fed." Getting enough calories keeps our metabolism burning, and if we arent getting enough (at the very LEAST 1200/day) our metabolism slows way down, making it hard to lose weight. So, to sum it up...if we eat too much we won't lose weight, and if we eat too little we won't lose weight. I can't stress this enough: water, water, water!! it helps flush your body of impurities. I hope this helps, and good luck!! Feel free to add me as a friend...I need all the encouragement I can get!!

pinkita

I used to feel like that often until I found this site and adjusted my settings here to track my sodium intake. One day I had almost 5,000 mg of sodium!! So I watch that now, and don't feel bloated.

As for exercise, I seem to lose more when I exercise LESS. Then again, if you reduce the sodium and still exercise daily you might actually feel like eating more.

As for "muscle weighs more than fat," I really wish people would stop saying that. One pound of muscle = 1 pound, and 1 pound of fat = 1 pound. You might gain a little bit when you first start exercising, or when you do a new exercise, because there are enzymatic changes in your muscles that make them hold on to water more. That won't last long though.

Good luck!

registers

You know...this is crazy but its very true. Eating too few calories (under 1200) will make it hard to lose. Our bodies are kinda funny. If we arent getting enough cals our body will go into what is called "starvation mode" and our bodies natural response is, "Yikes, i'm gonna hold onto these fat cells because I don't know if I'm going to be fed." Getting enough calories keeps our metabolism burning, and if we arent getting enough (at the very LEAST 1200/day) our metabolism slows way down, making it hard to lose weight. So, to sum it up...if we eat too much we won't lose weight, and if we eat too little we won't lose weight. I can't stress this enough: water, water, water!! it helps flush your body of impurities. I hope this helps, and good luck!! Feel free to add me as a friend...I need all the encouragement I can get!!

Sorry to say but this is highly inaccurate. If a woman who is 4'10" who weighs 110lbs would she be in starvation mode if she ate 1200 calories a day? NO. Is it true that eating less slows down metabolism? Yes, but there is a catch. It will slow down "IF YOU DONT EXERCISE" Exercising keeps your metabolism up so it won't slow down. How you think gastric bypass works, those people eat about 500-1000 calories a day, and they lose a ton of weight.

I noticed you just joined the site, sorry if I sounded rude that's not my intention. Welcome to the site, and good luck on your weight loss journey.

2stepz

Are you snacking on fresh veggies? I get into that habit this time of year. Celery, cucumbers, radishes, and carrots... the extra fiber makes me a bit bloated, but the source is good. Just don't overdo it.

As for "muscle weighs more than fat," I really wish people would stop saying that. One pound of muscle = 1 pound, and 1 pound of fat = 1 pound.

Well, duh... a pound of feathers and a pound of bricks way the same, but thats not what is being discussed with that statement. One cubic centimeter of muscle weighs more than one cubic centimeter of fat. That's why muscle weighs more. Take two people who are similar in size, same height, same waist and hip sizes... if one has 20% body fat and the other has 15% body fat... the one with15% body fat will have more lean body mass and will actually weigh more. Lean body mass weighs more than fat at the same volume.

LisaKyle11

possible TOM soon? if not, maybe look at lowering your carbs for a few days or weeks. i've been doing that recently and i have not been bloated at all (and i usually am for whatever reason). i have been trying to keep my carbs (net) to around 50-60 per day. just something to consider especially since you feel 'fat' without even consuming a large amount of calories.

carmenstop1

You know...this is crazy but its very true. Eating too few calories (under 1200) will make it hard to lose. Our bodies are kinda funny. If we arent getting enough cals our body will go into what is called "starvation mode" and our bodies natural response is, "Yikes, i'm gonna hold onto these fat cells because I don't know if I'm going to be fed." Getting enough calories keeps our metabolism burning, and if we arent getting enough (at the very LEAST 1200/day) our metabolism slows way down, making it hard to lose weight. So, to sum it up...if we eat too much we won't lose weight, and if we eat too little we won't lose weight. I can't stress this enough: water, water, water!! it helps flush your body of impurities. I hope this helps, and good luck!! Feel free to add me as a friend...I need all the encouragement I can get!!

Sorry to say but this is highly inaccurate. If a woman who is 4'10" who weighs 110lbs would she be in starvation mode if she ate 1200 calories a day? NO. Is it true that eating less slows down metabolism? Yes, but there is a catch. It will slow down "IF YOU DONT EXERCISE" Exercising keeps your metabolism up so it won't slow down. How you think gastric bypass works, those people eat about 500-1000 calories a day, and they lose a ton of weight.

I noticed you just joined the site, sorry if I sounded rude that's not my intention. Welcome to the site, and good luck on your weight loss journey.

Sorry to say, but this is not highly inaccurate, it is right on the money. Maybe for the 1% of the population that is 4'10 and weighs 110lbs (and does not even belong to MFP because she doesn't need it) it would work. You really need to stop telling people to eat under their calorie goals!

LisaKyle11

You know...this is crazy but its very true. Eating too few calories (under 1200) will make it hard to lose. Our bodies are kinda funny. If we arent getting enough cals our body will go into what is called "starvation mode" and our bodies natural response is, "Yikes, i'm gonna hold onto these fat cells because I don't know if I'm going to be fed." Getting enough calories keeps our metabolism burning, and if we arent getting enough (at the very LEAST 1200/day) our metabolism slows way down, making it hard to lose weight. So, to sum it up...if we eat too much we won't lose weight, and if we eat too little we won't lose weight. I can't stress this enough: water, water, water!! it helps flush your body of impurities. I hope this helps, and good luck!! Feel free to add me as a friend...I need all the encouragement I can get!!

Sorry to say but this is highly inaccurate. If a woman who is 4'10" who weighs 110lbs would she be in starvation mode if she ate 1200 calories a day? NO. Is it true that eating less slows down metabolism? Yes, but there is a catch. It will slow down "IF YOU DONT EXERCISE" Exercising keeps your metabolism up so it won't slow down. How you think gastric bypass works, those people eat about 500-1000 calories a day, and they lose a ton of weight.

I noticed you just joined the site, sorry if I sounded rude that's not my intention. Welcome to the site, and good luck on your weight loss journey.

Sorry to say, but this is not highly inaccurate, it is right on the money. Maybe for the 1% of the population that is 4'10 and weighs 110lbs (and does not even belong to MFP because she doesn't need it) it would work. You really need to stop telling people to eat under their calorie goals!

Go Carmen! ...this guy obviously gets something more out of offering his 'advice'...

mary4760

You know...this is crazy but its very true. Eating too few calories (under 1200) will make it hard to lose. Our bodies are kinda funny. If we arent getting enough cals our body will go into what is called "starvation mode" and our bodies natural response is, "Yikes, i'm gonna hold onto these fat cells because I don't know if I'm going to be fed." Getting enough calories keeps our metabolism burning, and if we arent getting enough (at the very LEAST 1200/day) our metabolism slows way down, making it hard to lose weight. So, to sum it up...if we eat too much we won't lose weight, and if we eat too little we won't lose weight. I can't stress this enough: water, water, water!! it helps flush your body of impurities. I hope this helps, and good luck!! Feel free to add me as a friend...I need all the encouragement I can get!!

Sorry to say but this is highly inaccurate. If a woman who is 4'10" who weighs 110lbs would she be in starvation mode if she ate 1200 calories a day? NO. Is it true that eating less slows down metabolism? Yes, but there is a catch. It will slow down "IF YOU DONT EXERCISE" Exercising keeps your metabolism up so it won't slow down. How you think gastric bypass works, those people eat about 500-1000 calories a day, and they lose a ton of weight.

I noticed you just joined the site, sorry if I sounded rude that's not my intention. Welcome to the site, and good luck on your weight loss journey.

Sorry to say, but this is not highly inaccurate, it is right on the money. Maybe for the 1% of the population that is 4'10 and weighs 110lbs (and does not even belong to MFP because she doesn't need it) it would work. You really need to stop telling people to eat under their calorie goals!

Go Carmen! ...this guy obviously gets something more out of offering his 'advice'...

Thank you ladies for backing me up on this. Yes, I may be new to this site, but im definately not new at the whole losing weight thing! lol! My doctor explained it to me like this: Let's say I weigh 250 lbs. If I consume 2500 calories a day I'm going to maintain that 250lbs. If I eat below 2500 cals, im going to start losing weight (taking 2500 cals and reducing it by 700-800 cals for HEALTHY weight loss) If I consume more than 2500 cals, Im going to gain weight. Lets keep in mind that 1 lb=3200cals. I don't care whether someone has gastric bypass, or is on the hcg diet....It is UNHEALTHY (key work) for any body to only consume 500 cals a day, and obviously only by a doctors supervision. For everyone who wants to know, here is the formula:

***To maintain current weight: Multiply your current weight by 12. (this rule of thumb only applies to those who lead an inactive lifestyle). You would want to add 200-300 cals if you do moderate physical activity and 400-500 if you do strenuous physical activity.

Now...

***To lose: You would reduce the number of cals that it would take to maintain by about 300-400 if you are slightly overweight and 700-800 if you are substantially overweight.

***this is what I have learned from my research and speaking to my doctor...so, @asmcriminal, I would say that this is HIGHLY accurate....I'm sorry if I sound rude, that is not my intention. And ladies...good luck on your weight loss journey. And as always, your welcome to add me as a friend

matwood74

Thanks for all the input, I really appreciate that!!!! I get all confused and conflicted with the whole
"not eating enough calories" thing. Everyone has their own opinions, and I've read quite a few,
I just wish I knew what worked best for me!! I've been at this since March 1st, so I'm still learning!!!

registers

You know...this is crazy but its very true. Eating too few calories (under 1200) will make it hard to lose. Our bodies are kinda funny. If we arent getting enough cals our body will go into what is called "starvation mode" and our bodies natural response is, "Yikes, i'm gonna hold onto these fat cells because I don't know if I'm going to be fed." Getting enough calories keeps our metabolism burning, and if we arent getting enough (at the very LEAST 1200/day) our metabolism slows way down, making it hard to lose weight. So, to sum it up...if we eat too much we won't lose weight, and if we eat too little we won't lose weight. I can't stress this enough: water, water, water!! it helps flush your body of impurities. I hope this helps, and good luck!! Feel free to add me as a friend...I need all the encouragement I can get!!

Sorry to say but this is highly inaccurate. If a woman who is 4'10" who weighs 110lbs would she be in starvation mode if she ate 1200 calories a day? NO. Is it true that eating less slows down metabolism? Yes, but there is a catch. It will slow down "IF YOU DONT EXERCISE" Exercising keeps your metabolism up so it won't slow down. How you think gastric bypass works, those people eat about 500-1000 calories a day, and they lose a ton of weight.

I noticed you just joined the site, sorry if I sounded rude that's not my intention. Welcome to the site, and good luck on your weight loss journey.

Sorry to say, but this is not highly inaccurate, it is right on the money. Maybe for the 1% of the population that is 4'10 and weighs 110lbs (and does not even belong to MFP because she doesn't need it) it would work. You really need to stop telling people to eat under their calorie goals!

Once again carmen, where did i say "eat lower calories?!?!?!?!" you just randomly assume things.

registers

Thank you ladies for backing me up on this. Yes, I may be new to this site, but im definately not new at the whole losing weight thing! lol! My doctor explained it to me like this: Let's say I weigh 250 lbs. If I consume 2500 calories a day I'm going to maintain that 250lbs. If I eat below 2500 cals, im going to start losing weight (taking 2500 cals and reducing it by 700-800 cals for HEALTHY weight loss) If I consume more than 2500 cals, Im going to gain weight. Lets keep in mind that 1 lb=3200cals. I don't care whether someone has gastric bypass, or is on the hcg diet....It is UNHEALTHY (key work) for any body to only consume 500 cals a day, and obviously only by a doctors supervision. For everyone who wants to know, here is the formula:

***To maintain current weight: Multiply your current weight by 12. (this rule of thumb only applies to those who lead an inactive lifestyle). You would want to add 200-300 cals if you do moderate physical activity and 400-500 if you do strenuous physical activity.

Now...

***To lose: You would reduce the number of cals that it would take to maintain by about 300-400 if you are slightly overweight and 700-800 if you are substantially overweight.

***this is what I have learned from my research and speaking to my doctor...so, @asmcriminal, I would say that this is HIGHLY accurate....I'm sorry if I sound rude, that is not my intention. And ladies...good luck on your weight loss journey. And as always, your welcome to add me as a friend

I am familiar with a "similar" formula. There are some gaps in the logic of the formula you're using... I am familiar with "eat the weight you want to be at x 10" pretty much what you said... if I want to weigh 250lbs I have to eat 2500 calories. so if we lead an inactive lifestyle multiply our weight by 12. 250 x 12 = 3000 calories. SO according to the original formula eat the weight you want to be at x 10. Wouldn't this put my weight up to 300lbs "according to your doctor" recommendations.

Another thing you heard about the starvation mode theory and such. I think that was our original discussion. I would say starvation mode is the point when you're on a reduced caloric diet... and not losing weight. No one can deny this doesn't happen. THe issue is the amount of carbohydrates you eat. You can be on a very low calorie diet and lose a lot of body fat. If your protein intake is enough. I am not recommending an extremely low calorie diet. Just making a point about "it's not all about calories." You also said Very low calorie diets are "unhealthy" I do partially agree. I think people have a tendency to generalize things, this limits their thinking. Fasting is one of the healthiest things you can do, some dr's even recommend it for cancer patients. Low calorie diets are linked to increase life span. Once again "i am not recommending anything, just stating a fact." I am not saying eat low calories, or high calories.

I am not saying believe what I say, or what your dr says or what anyone says, I am saying "think for yourself" so you're not mislead by inaccurate information.

registers

Thanks for all the input, I really appreciate that!!!! I get all confused and conflicted with the whole
"not eating enough calories" thing. Everyone has their own opinions, and I've read quite a few,
I just wish I knew what worked best for me!! I've been at this since March 1st, so I'm still learning!!!

Sorry about the partial drama on your post. I think the best general advice someone can give is, eat clean food, i personally don't shop down the "isles" i shop on the outside where the fruits/vegetables/meat sources are at. The isles are filled with processed foods, there are a few exceptions. Also just be active, don't stuff your face with food, and don't starve yourself. Exercise is the real key to all this.

carmenstop1

I randomly assume things? Seriously? We have been having this debate for what....a month now! I jump in on every post I see you tell people that you are fasting, so we must all try it too, and that it is okay for people to eat less than 1200 calories and starvation mode is a myth? Should I go back and bring up quotes of every time I have read you do this?

Please, please stop bringing up the 4'10" and 110lb woman scenerio.....how many 4'10" women do you know? I have 2 freinds who are about that and at a perfect weight and eat way more than I do because they are very active!!!! What about them? Are they freaks of nature? They would be in starvation mode at less than 1200 calories because they are normal women! Normal women need to eat more than 1200 calories at any point in life! Eating below is dangerous and not healthy for long term. You need to stop giving advice! Because I am going to stop arguing with you, it is pointless and frankly a waste of my time and energy! You obviously don't "get it", and I really think you never will!

registers

I randomly assume things? Seriously? We have been having this debate for what....a month now! I jump in on every post I see you tell people that you are fasting, so we must all try it too, and that it is okay for people to eat less than 1200 calories and starvation mode is a myth? Should I go back and bring up quotes of every time I have read you do this?

Please, please stop bringing up the 4'10" and 110lb woman scenerio.....how many 4'10" women do you know? I have 2 freinds who are about that and at a perfect weight and eat way more than I do because they are very active!!!! What about them? Are they freaks of nature? They would be in starvation mode at less than 1200 calories because they are normal women! Normal women need to eat more than 1200 calories at any point in life! Eating below is dangerous and not healthy for long term. You need to stop giving advice! Because I am going to stop arguing with you, it is pointless and frankly a waste of my time and energy! You obviously don't "get it", and I really think you never will!

Carmen I feel it's the other way around, I get it, other people don't. Can you please copy and paste where i said "you should fast" or "eat under 1200 calories a day" ? We both know you can't because I never said that.

CrystalGirl41

I am just beginning my weight loss journey "this time around". I have been trying to lose weight for years and have ALWAYS struggled with weightloss through working out. Recently I went to a ladies fitness gym who did a Body Composition Test on me. I have never had it done before. Well, it measures your Body Fat %, Fat Body Weight, Lean Body Weight, Basal Metabolic Rate, Total body water and Bioresistance.

When the woman who conducted the test read the print out, she was shocked by my Lean Body Weight. I am 206lbs (5'8") but my lean body weight is 139lbs. That is HUGE she said -- this is my lean muscle mass/weight. The typical weight of a woman is 80-90 at the most. Typically women are told to eat as much protein (in grams) as their lean body weight is in lbs. That means I have to eat a LOT of protien in one day to ensure I am not losing my muscle mass to my low calorie intake and workouts. I want to lose fat, not muscle. This totally explains why I have not been able to keep the weight off that I have lost, if I even really lose much through exercise.

Are you eating enough protien then? Do you know how much you should be getting? Perhaps getting one of these Biometric body composition tests done has some answers for you.

Just my two cents. All the best in your journey, I know its not easy!

Crystal

carmenstop1

This is what I found in about 5 minutes, I can go to more posts and find more if you would like, but here are a few of your greatest hits! they are all quoted directly from your posts! I am sure you will recognize them. Except the last one which I took from another post where someone says this is what you told her in a pm.

"Cris here is your "Scientific evidence" of low caloric diets being beneficial to weight loss, at 1000 calories.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6654571"

Here are the "other scientific studies" that talk about intermittent fasting. Eating low calories for one day, and higher calories the next. Which i have been doing, but in the same day. The results are surprisingly amazing.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15741046

Cris the way starvation mode is a "MYTH" it's not based on your caloric in take, it's based on your macro nutrient ratios. I stated that a few times. You can eat a low caloric diet and not go in to the supposed starvation mode.

It has been scientifically proven that eating triggers the parasympathetic nervous system, which slows down the body. It's that simple. I have been eating 1 time a day and lost 20lbs in 3 weeks.

Okay yes, If you where eating low calories like you said 2 times a day, of course your energy would be low. I also agree if you eat 800 calories a day and hit a plateu and you increase your caloric intake you will gain weight. You said it yourself, "there are many studies that state how a low calorie diet can be dangerous in the long term" the phrase in this is "long term"

"Eating at low caloric levels are very beneficial to weight loss, IF you know how to do it properly. " I even gave a general guideline of how. There is not one thing wrong with my post.

eat if you want to gain weight. Common sense.

THe media is just filled with lies and brain wash people. "eat multiple times a day to speed up your metabolism" LIE. You need to eat 1200 calories to avoid going in to starvation mode. LIE. Would a 110lbs woman who is 4ft 10inches tall be in starvatoin mode eating 1200 calories a day? NO. Does eating less slow down your metabolism. YES... What does exercise do? SPEED IT UP. So don't be concerned with that stuff if you're exercising. Hasn't a reduce caloric diet been linked to longer life span? YES. So you want to die earlier?? I know people are going to try to say "it doesn't work that way" so here are the scientific studies.

What's wrong with eating 800 calories a day?? If she's not hungry she shouldn't eat. You want to train her to overeat?? is that your goal so she gains weight? This is a risk to someone's health, you know low calories diets have been linked to longer life span, you trying to kill the woman??? If you don't know what you're talking about don't advise.

to the OP, I don't over eat, sometimes I fast for like a day or so. It clean out toxins from your bodies. I don't do it often just sometimes, In the long run this lower caloric intake which has been proven to increase life span. Some Dr.'s even recommend it for cancer patients due to it's healing powers. I want to live longer, not shorter.

Yes I know that can be looked at in a wrong way eating the 800 calories. If i said "what's the difference between these 2 colors?" one is black and one is white. It's obvious. What if I had a color "white" and "white with 1 shade darker?" you may not even be able to see it. Looking at things from a higher opposition lets you see the big picture. It's true what I said also, "what's wrong with eating 800 calories?" Is it bad? is it right? There are many factors that come in to play. Some one to just blindly state something such as "eating 800 calories is bad" is wrong. There are variable conditions where it would be acceptable. What about little children, what about people over 100yrs old, what about people who just went through gastric bypass? I agree "800 calories" for the "general" population isn't the best idea. That isn't the point though, the point is you can't apply a one size fits all approach to every situation.


He sent me an article saying it was acceptable to eat 800 calories a day, and told me there is nothing wrong with using steroids (an ILLEGAL substance)

carmenstop1

I want to point out to anyone reading this thread that what is posted in my last post is just to follow up on his challenge that he has never said certain things. Do not follow any of the advice in that post! It is all garbage!

registers

I want to point out to anyone reading this thread that what is posted in my last post is just to follow up on his challenge that he has never said certain things. Do not follow any of the advice in that post! It is all garbage!

All the stuff you said where are the recommendations i stated? where did i say "do this" or "do that?" not once. As I stated before, the most fittest healthiest people I have seen. people ripped to wazoo, people who run 10miles a day... pretty much agree with "most" of what i have said.. They don't agree with all of it. Actually I never gotten an opposition from these people... The only semi debatable issue with 1 person is "meal timing" and that's just a personal preference.

I don't recommend a very low calorie diet, I never said I did. I eat about 2500-4000 calories a day. Is this a LOW CALORIE DIET? obviously not.

I know you're probably mostly referencing the 800 calories a day and the things I posted and linked to that. Did I ever say it was healthy? NO... The entire point of those post is to show people that you can lose weight on a reduced caloric deit, despite all the BS people are being told. "you'll stop losing weight, your metabolism will slow down blah blah blah" 800 calories is a very extreme test and a very extreme example. It's to "MAKE A POINT" eating less you can still lose weight. That you will stop losing weight if you don't eat enough is a lie. Losing weight is about a caloric deficit. the point is. "THATS IT" It's not rocket science, Have a negative caloric intake and you will lose weight. The key here is exercise. There are a TON of post saying "i am in starvation mode" YEAH RIGHT... It's common sense the smaller your caloric deficit the less weight you will lose. Here is what "I RECOMMEND" this is it right here right now.. If people where going to follow any "advice" i give... I never really given any... here it is... "eat healthy clean food, with a slight caloric deficit and exercise" that's it... no one in the world would argue with those recommendations.

MOst of what I say is to "make a point" THe entire debate is mostly due to "increasing your calories" If someone said "I don't want to get drunk so I am going to increase my alcohol limit" UH?!?!?!??! it's COMMON SENSE.

Here are some recommendations to anyone who has to say anything about any of my post.
1. Ask yourself "how do I know what I am bout to say is true?"
2. Where did the references come from? If they don't come from personal experience. Then it's invalid
3. Does your experience apply to everyone? IF not... it's not valid

[increasing calories] (DOESN'T APPLY TO EVERYONE)
Can you increase calories and lose weight? YES
can you increase calories and gain weight? YES

[lowering calories] (DOESN'T APPLY TO EVERYONE)
Can you lose weight by reducing your calories? YES
Can you gain weight by reducing your calories? YES

I post valid points, that oppose of other points. The purpose of this is so people can think for themselves and ask "which one is right?"honestly NONE OF THEM ARE RIGHT. IF they cancel each other out, then it's not valid.. The entire eat 6 meals a day, and the "breakfast speeds up your metabolism" has been a very strong theme in weight loss. They have been dis proven. Guess who started it? the cereal companies and the meal replacement shakes. (drink calories is faster than eating them and you speed up your metabolism)

How many people believed this stuff, and still do? Many, and ITS WRONG! How many beliefs are you willing to defend that are completely wrong? think about that one.

There are many factors in weight loss, are they exercising? How much exercise? are they thin and fit or over weight? how sensitive are they to carbs? how fast is their metabolism? What is the ratio of their macro nutrients, how many calories are they consuming, when do they consume them? What type of exercises they're doing?

The ultimate point there are conditions to everything. The thing about anabolic steroids, are dangerous? Why do Dr.s prescribe them? there are exceptions to pretty much everything. If VLCD(Very low calorie diets) lead to starvation mode, why do people who went through gastric bypass lose a ton of weight? WHy are low calories diets linked to longer life span? Can VLCD cause death? YES... the key here is "WHAT ARE THE CONDITIONS THAT MAKE THIS TRUE"

Does reducing your calories, result in weight loss... yes
can it stop weight loss? YES

What are the conditions? Metabolism, how can you increase it without reducing your calories more? EXERCISE.
It has NOTHING to do with calories, it's about metabolic activity.

Can you eat the same without dietary change and still lose weight? yes by EXERCISING.

You can consume a lot of calories or little. It's irrelevant, what is relevant is metabolic activity.

olyrose

OP: I'm not sure if you've gained/lost weight, but I know sometimes as a I lose a few pounds, it shows in the side of my stomach and the rib cage area before the loss shows in the front (pooch) of my stomach. It ends up making me look like I gained weight, but it's really just losing in different spots. I hope this makes sense?

carmenstop1

I want to point out to anyone reading this thread that what is posted in my last post is just to follow up on his challenge that he has never said certain things. Do not follow any of the advice in that post! It is all garbage!

All the stuff you said where are the recommendations i stated? where did i say "do this" or "do that?" not once. As I stated before, the most fittest healthiest people I have seen. people ripped to wazoo, people who run 10miles a day... pretty much agree with "most" of what i have said.. They don't agree with all of it. Actually I never gotten an opposition from these people... The only semi debatable issue with 1 person is "meal timing" and that's just a personal preference.

I don't recommend a very low calorie diet, I never said I did. I eat about 2500-4000 calories a day. Is this a LOW CALORIE DIET? obviously not.

I know you're probably mostly referencing the 800 calories a day and the things I posted and linked to that. Did I ever say it was healthy? NO... The entire point of those post is to show people that you can lose weight on a reduced caloric deit, despite all the BS people are being told. "you'll stop losing weight, your metabolism will slow down blah blah blah" 800 calories is a very extreme test and a very extreme example. It's to "MAKE A POINT" eating less you can still lose weight. That you will stop losing weight if you don't eat enough is a lie. Losing weight is about a caloric deficit. the point is. "THATS IT" It's not rocket science, Have a negative caloric intake and you will lose weight. The key here is exercise. There are a TON of post saying "i am in starvation mode" YEAH RIGHT... It's common sense the smaller your caloric deficit the less weight you will lose. Here is what "I RECOMMEND" this is it right here right now.. If people where going to follow any "advice" i give... I never really given any... here it is... "eat healthy clean food, with a slight caloric deficit and exercise" that's it... no one in the world would argue with those recommendations.

MOst of what I say is to "make a point" THe entire debate is mostly due to "increasing your calories" If someone said "I don't want to get drunk so I am going to increase my alcohol limit" UH?!?!?!??! it's COMMON SENSE.

Here are some recommendations to anyone who has to say anything about any of my post.
1. Ask yourself "how do I know what I am bout to say is true?"
2. Where did the references come from? If they don't come from personal experience. Then it's invalid
3. Does your experience apply to everyone? IF not... it's not valid

[increasing calories] (DOESN'T APPLY TO EVERYONE)
Can you increase calories and lose weight? YES
can you increase calories and gain weight? YES

[lowering calories] (DOESN'T APPLY TO EVERYONE)
Can you lose weight by reducing your calories? YES
Can you gain weight by reducing your calories? YES

I post valid points, that oppose of other points. The purpose of this is so people can think for themselves and ask "which one is right?"honestly NONE OF THEM ARE RIGHT. IF they cancel each other out, then it's not valid.. The entire eat 6 meals a day, and the "breakfast speeds up your metabolism" has been a very strong theme in weight loss. They have been dis proven. Guess who started it? the cereal companies and the meal replacement shakes. (drink calories is faster than eating them and you speed up your metabolism)

How many people believed this stuff, and still do? Many, and ITS WRONG! How many beliefs are you willing to defend that are completely wrong? think about that one.

There are many factors in weight loss, are they exercising? How much exercise? are they thin and fit or over weight? how sensitive are they to carbs? how fast is their metabolism? What is the ratio of their macro nutrients, how many calories are they consuming, when do they consume them? What type of exercises they're doing?

The ultimate point there are conditions to everything. The thing about anabolic steroids, are dangerous? Why do Dr.s prescribe them? there are exceptions to pretty much everything. If VLCD(Very low calorie diets) lead to starvation mode, why do people who went through gastric bypass lose a ton of weight? WHy are low calories diets linked to longer life span? Can VLCD cause death? YES... the key here is "WHAT ARE THE CONDITIONS THAT MAKE THIS TRUE"

Does reducing your calories, result in weight loss... yes
can it stop weight loss? YES

What are the conditions? Metabolism, how can you increase it without reducing your calories more? EXERCISE.
It has NOTHING to do with calories, it's about metabolic activity.

Can you eat the same without dietary change and still lose weight? yes by EXERCISING.

You can consume a lot of calories or little. It's irrelevant, what is relevant is metabolic activity.

Dude....seriously? What kind of drugs are you on?? You are going to lecture now on what criteria and experience level that people have before they comment on your posts??? What kind of experience do you have? That is the point that people (not just myself) have been challenging you on since you started making all your comments on here about how much success you have had in 3 weeks! I have been at this for over half my life...I am 42 years old and I have made every dieting mistake that can be referenced! I have been in starvation mode where I was eating less than 900 calories a day and exercising and I gained weight! It didn't happen overnight, it took years! Of course I lost weight at first and like every other fad diet I tried, it stopped working!

This is the last time I will respond to one of your posts because you are just an attention junkie....you are thriving off the contraversy that you create and I refuse to feed your thrill anymore! I hope everyone watching does the same, because if we all stop giving asmcriminal his little thrill, maybe he will go somewhere else to find it and leave MFP to the people who want to lose weight in a healthy way with lots of positive support to help us on our journey!

To the original poster, I am very sorry that your post got hijacked with all this continuing drama, and unfortunately I helped contribute! I am sorry for my part in it!

registers

carmen you're just "blabbing" on "theories" not science.

ghoztt

carmen you're just "blabbing" on "theories" not science.

If weight loss were a science we'd all be a lot more slim.

registers

carmen you're just "blabbing" on "theories" not science.

If weight loss were a science we'd all be a lot more slim.

There are certain things that fall within the laws of physics and thermodynamics that talks about energy. The issue is, when people confuse "claims" with science. Not saying it's easy, there are many complicated things within the human body.

Cytherea

I want to point out to anyone reading this thread that what is posted in my last post is just to follow up on his challenge that he has never said certain things. Do not follow any of the advice in that post! It is all garbage!

All the stuff you said where are the recommendations i stated? where did i say "do this" or "do that?" not once. As I stated before, the most fittest healthiest people I have seen. people ripped to wazoo, people who run 10miles a day... pretty much agree with "most" of what i have said.. They don't agree with all of it. Actually I never gotten an opposition from these people... The only semi debatable issue with 1 person is "meal timing" and that's just a personal preference.

I don't recommend a very low calorie diet, I never said I did. I eat about 2500-4000 calories a day. Is this a LOW CALORIE DIET? obviously not.

I know you're probably mostly referencing the 800 calories a day and the things I posted and linked to that. Did I ever say it was healthy? NO... The entire point of those post is to show people that you can lose weight on a reduced caloric deit, despite all the BS people are being told. "you'll stop losing weight, your metabolism will slow down blah blah blah" 800 calories is a very extreme test and a very extreme example. It's to "MAKE A POINT" eating less you can still lose weight. That you will stop losing weight if you don't eat enough is a lie. Losing weight is about a caloric deficit. the point is. "THATS IT" It's not rocket science, Have a negative caloric intake and you will lose weight. The key here is exercise. There are a TON of post saying "i am in starvation mode" YEAH RIGHT... It's common sense the smaller your caloric deficit the less weight you will lose. Here is what "I RECOMMEND" this is it right here right now.. If people where going to follow any "advice" i give... I never really given any... here it is... "eat healthy clean food, with a slight caloric deficit and exercise" that's it... no one in the world would argue with those recommendations.

MOst of what I say is to "make a point" THe entire debate is mostly due to "increasing your calories" If someone said "I don't want to get drunk so I am going to increase my alcohol limit" UH?!?!?!??! it's COMMON SENSE.

Here are some recommendations to anyone who has to say anything about any of my post.
1. Ask yourself "how do I know what I am bout to say is true?"
2. Where did the references come from? If they don't come from personal experience. Then it's invalid
3. Does your experience apply to everyone? IF not... it's not valid

[increasing calories] (DOESN'T APPLY TO EVERYONE)
Can you increase calories and lose weight? YES
can you increase calories and gain weight? YES

[lowering calories] (DOESN'T APPLY TO EVERYONE)
Can you lose weight by reducing your calories? YES
Can you gain weight by reducing your calories? YES

I post valid points, that oppose of other points. The purpose of this is so people can think for themselves and ask "which one is right?"honestly NONE OF THEM ARE RIGHT. IF they cancel each other out, then it's not valid.. The entire eat 6 meals a day, and the "breakfast speeds up your metabolism" has been a very strong theme in weight loss. They have been dis proven. Guess who started it? the cereal companies and the meal replacement shakes. (drink calories is faster than eating them and you speed up your metabolism)

How many people believed this stuff, and still do? Many, and ITS WRONG! How many beliefs are you willing to defend that are completely wrong? think about that one.

There are many factors in weight loss, are they exercising? How much exercise? are they thin and fit or over weight? how sensitive are they to carbs? how fast is their metabolism? What is the ratio of their macro nutrients, how many calories are they consuming, when do they consume them? What type of exercises they're doing?

The ultimate point there are conditions to everything. The thing about anabolic steroids, are dangerous? Why do Dr.s prescribe them? there are exceptions to pretty much everything. If VLCD(Very low calorie diets) lead to starvation mode, why do people who went through gastric bypass lose a ton of weight? WHy are low calories diets linked to longer life span? Can VLCD cause death? YES... the key here is "WHAT ARE THE CONDITIONS THAT MAKE THIS TRUE"

Does reducing your calories, result in weight loss... yes
can it stop weight loss? YES

What are the conditions? Metabolism, how can you increase it without reducing your calories more? EXERCISE.
It has NOTHING to do with calories, it's about metabolic activity.

Can you eat the same without dietary change and still lose weight? yes by EXERCISING.

You can consume a lot of calories or little. It's irrelevant, what is relevant is metabolic activity.

Seriously? Do you even know what the word "valid" (or "invalid" for that matter) actually means?? Because you keep using it, but it makes absolutely no sense. Validity has NOTHING to do with whether or not a statement is true or accurate.

Personal experience can be misleading. Just because you've experienced something doesn't make it the truth. And references OTHER than personal experience can absolutely be true. Most of what science tells us we believe and accept as true, even though it doesn't come from any form of personal experience, and most people personally have no way to verify that actually is true... but that doesn't make it any LESS true!

Sorry to the OP and anyone else who might not care... I teach logic, and I just can't let stuff like this go.