Protein pre or post workout or else?

Teemo

Haha, right. I know how that goes. Hence me seeking greener pastures. Aragon is active enough in those forums where it's pointless to give input since he's bound to show up in most of the good threads. If you're active enough to the point of being familiar and make him laugh, though, you'll get some mod reps ;]

Aragon reps would just make my week.

Anyway, good to have you here. I try to get in on help threads early on before all the other stuff comes though lately I've found myself wondering if a little bit of structure, even if misinformed, is still better than none. I mean: 6 meals per day to stoke the metabolic fire and restrictive diets and no carbs after 6:00 p.m. and protein pre/post... none of that is necessary or genuine. But it gives people something to shoot for whereas IIFYM or IF sort of leaves them in the dark without a proper plan.

That's also why I'm not as down on paleo as I used to be. Sure, some of the more grandiose claims are laughable but it's still healthier than not having a plan and eating cookies and ice cream every night.

mynameisuntz

Aragon reps would just make my week.

Anyway, good to have you here. I try to get in on help threads early on before all the other stuff comes though lately I've found myself wondering if a little bit of structure, even if misinformed, is still better than none. I mean: 6 meals per day to stoke the metabolic fire and restrictive diets and no carbs after 6:00 p.m. and protein pre/post... none of that is necessary or genuine. But it gives people something to shoot for whereas IIFYM or IF sort of leaves them in the dark without a proper plan.

That's also why I'm not as down on paleo as I used to be. Sure, some of the more grandiose claims are laughable but it's still healthier than not having a plan and eating cookies and ice cream every night.

Hey it's happened twice to me in the last 6-8 weeks or so! Just post more :P

I can see that as being the case. I guess part of me has always felt like restriction can lead to issues in terms of sticking with a plan long-term. Too many rules = likelier chance of breaking one of those rules = chance of emotional breakdown due to getting off track. It's tough to figure out who will respond better to more restriction and who will respond better to less.

Glad to be in good company!

ladyhawk00

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Elzecat

You should take about 20 grams of carbs about twenty to thirty minutes before your work out. Examples of this may be an apple, a piece of bread, etc. You should take about 20-30 grams of protein within a half an hour of your workout.

Don't listen to a lot of the guidelines supplement companies will give you. GNC's Wheybolic 60 will tell you to use three scoops per serving for 60 grams of protein. Save yourself the money (and the gastric distress) and use one scoop.

No matter what the supplement companies say (remember, they're trying to sell you things), your body cannot metabolize more than 30 grams of protein at a time unless you're a hulking 300 lb bodybuilder.

Not quite true. You're correct about protein companies being shady and trying to sell you their product. However, the protein limit myth is being debunked daily. You can start by reading here:

http://www.wannabebig.com/diet-and-nutrition/is-there-a-limit-to-how-much-protein-the-body-can-use-in-a-single-meal/

edit: Notice the references in his article, that's the important stuff

thx for the link to this article...and it was refreshing to see actual scientific citations in the references

abtruse1

Not surprising. The majority of people still, understandably, get their information from Men's Health or blogs. And the blogs don't exactly keep up to date on nutritional developments...


But isn't Aragon a regular contributor to Mens health magazine? I thought him to be a very trusted name in the sports nutrition field?

mynameisuntz

But isn't Aragon a regular contributor to Mens health magazine? I thought him to be a very trusted name in the sports nutrition field?

He does contribute every few months, and he'd still be one of the first to tell you that they perpetuate myths in the realm of nutrition and fitness ;]

abtruse1

But isn't Aragon a regular contributor to Mens health magazine? I thought him to be a very trusted name in the sports nutrition field?

He does contribute every few months, and he'd still be one of the first to tell you that they perpetuate myths in the realm of nutrition and fitness ;]

where would you suggest the best sources for nutritional information then?

chevy88grl

I drink a protein shake right after working out - especially if I do strength training.

I try and eat my my body weight in grams of protein a day (I usually average between 150-200g)

mynameisuntz

where would you suggest the best sources for nutritional information then?

1) Pubmed.com + Google Scholar for finding peer-reviewed, scientific studies.

2) AARR - Alan Aragon Research Review. Subscribe for $10 per month, and you have access to *hundreds* of scientific studies that have been critiqued by Alan. I can't stress enough how valuable this is and how worth it this is. Honestly, while I probably *shouldn't* say this, you could pay $10, download everything Alan has critiqued in the last 2 years (in the form of pdf files), then end your subscription and you would have hundreds of scientific studies in the fields of exercise and nutrition critiqued by one of the authorities of the field all for $10. It's something everyone should seriously consider investing in. He comes out with a new review every single month - each review has 3-4 reviewed studies along with other "goodies" and write-ups.

3) Lyle McDonald's site bodyrecomposition.com is a great, free site.

4) The bodybuilding.com nutrition section, in my opinion, is a wealth of free information. Lots of very knowledgeable posters, including Alan Aragon. And no, you do NOT have to be a bodybuilder in order to gain something from that section.

cutelashawn

All great information, thank you much!

I usually workout in the morning around 7 right before work. I go for at least an hour but it usually lasts for 1:45 (sometimes 2) with heavy lifting followed by a 30 minute run

If you are working out that early in the morning then your best bet is to take 2 scoops of BCAA's before you workout, that should give u the energy and the amino acids to workout in a fsted state. If you want more information on that go to leangains.com or bodybuilding.com. I always workout in a fasted state and take BCAA's to get me through my workout

abtruse1

where would you suggest the best sources for nutritional information then?

1) Pubmed.com + Google Scholar for finding peer-reviewed, scientific studies.

2) AARR - Alan Aragon Research Review. Subscribe for $10 per month, and you have access to *hundreds* of scientific studies that have been critiqued by Alan. I can't stress enough how valuable this is and how worth it this is. Honestly, while I probably *shouldn't* say this, you could pay $10, download everything Alan has critiqued in the last 2 years (in the form of pdf files), then end your subscription and you would have hundreds of scientific studies in the fields of exercise and nutrition critiqued by one of the authorities of the field all for $10. It's something everyone should seriously consider investing in. He comes out with a new review every single month - each review has 3-4 reviewed studies along with other "goodies" and write-ups.

3) Lyle McDonald's site bodyrecomposition.com is a great, free site.

4) The bodybuilding.com nutrition section, in my opinion, is a wealth of free information. Lots of very knowledgeable posters, including Alan Aragon. And no, you do NOT have to be a bodybuilder in order to gain something from that section.

thanks for the info. I think I would feel better paying the monthly fee. to me, if the guys that knowledgeable, and helpfully, he deserves to make the $

mynameisuntz

thanks for the info. I think I would feel better paying the monthly fee. to me, if the guys that knowledgeable, and helpfully, he deserves to make the $

Of course, and that's what I do. I pay the monthly fee.

Decide for yourself, here is what a standard issue looks like, and this is what comes out once a month:

http://user210805.websitewizard.com/files/unprotected/AARR-Jan-2008.pdf

abtruse1

thanks for the info. I think I would feel better paying the monthly fee. to me, if the guys that knowledgeable, and helpfully, he deserves to make the $

Of course, and that's what I do. I pay the monthly fee.

Decide for yourself, here is what a standard issue looks like, and this is what comes out once a month:

http://user210805.websitewizard.com/files/unprotected/AARR-Jan-2008.pdf

wow! this guy gets really technical. Interesting stuff.

mynameisuntz

wow! this guy gets really technical. Interesting stuff.

He does, but still 95% of the stuff I feel he breaks down well enough where it's easy to understand. Or breaks it down enough to the point where you can figure it out upon Googling a few terms ;]

But really, it's so worth the money. You will feel your brain expanding after just reading a few of them, and you'll forever change your opinion of what a proper source is in the realm of nutrition/exercise.

abtruse1

wow! this guy gets really technical. Interesting stuff.

He does, but still 95% of the stuff I feel he breaks down well enough where it's easy to understand. Or breaks it down enough to the point where you can figure it out upon Googling a few terms ;]

But really, it's so worth the money. You will feel your brain expanding after just reading a few of them, and you'll forever change your opinion of what a proper source is in the realm of nutrition/exercise.

very true. thanks!