Ketosis diet
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there's a lot of really bad information on this thread. Rather than add to the mayhem, I would suggest you seek out a registered dietitian (NOT a nutritionist or doctor unless that doctor has post-graduate nutritional training) and have a long conversation with them. Ketosis isn't something you do to "shed fat", that's all I'll say about that, it's serious stuff and deserves it's due research before you attempt it.
That's too bad...I respect your opinion and would love to hear it.
I can understand why you wouldn't put it out there though...rough subject.
yep, lots of zealots, and I'm too tired today to have a full on science discussion (ahem) with someone. The information's out there though, I'll say this, ketosis is not something to be taken lightly, it does a number on human biochemistry. If I had to equate it to something, it's similar to changing the fuel type a car engine runs on, it may work, but that doesn't mean it's right (or wrong), it depends on the situation really. But there are definitely both drawbacks and benefits from it. For some it's the right way to go, for others, it's a dangerous and unnecessary change.
Well said, and in terminology that makes perfect sense. The E85 vs Gasoline debate lol.0 -
Speaking purely from experience. 7+ yrs of experience...ketosis effects people differently but I can tell you I had high levels of energy within 3 days of induction level eating (20 net carbs) I have been eating low-moderate carb since 2004. I've lost 81 lbs. I now this year started upping my carbs and lowering my daily calories and watching all portion sizes staying away from sugar and refined bad carbs. I only eat whole grain breads, sweet potatos and good healthy carbs. I do allow now that I am close to goal a day where I will have other foods but I watch my calories and I don't gain. I have steadily lost since February when I made the change to upping carbs and lowering calories. As with any diet change you WILL gain the weight back if you go back to eating the old unhealthy way. There is no diet out there that says eat this way temporarily and then go back to your old habits and you'll keep it off. Not even surgery. Any diet has to be a way of life or ..its not going to work. I have never understood why people say "oh you will gain it back when you go off" ...but never add at the end of that statement.."like any diet"... It has to be a lifestyle change. Since you have stated your wanting to do this temporarily...but you eat mostly healthy anyway then I just say cut back to half of the carbs your normally eating and see what that does....It really doesn't take a drastic cut in carbs for the body to go into ketosis. I am in ketosis at 100 g carbs a day.0
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It really doesn't take a drastic cut in carbs for the body to go into ketosis. I am in ketosis at 100 g carbs a day.
I was curious about this. I was eating between 50-100g of carbs for weeks. Then for 2 days (about a month ago I guess) I hardly ate at all (was violently ill vomiting etc). For two weeks after that, I wasn't eating a lot (I did religiously log...I need to go look more carefully at the carbs). I tried to spike my calories every third day at least. I also wasn't exercising whatsoever. I am pretty sure my carbs were higher though...but around 100g on average might be about right.
Now, here's the odd thing. I lost 8lbs in those two weeks, and 4" in my waist. Oddly, my biceps grew 1/4". My urine was very dark and...uhh...pungent the entire time...and honestly, there was a definite difference in my breath in the mornings in particular.
I'm wondering if this could have been some form, or actual ketosis. The only real difference is I felt kind of wierd the entire time. Tired, really. Sometimes even lightly dizzy.
Kind of a wierd experience all around. When I started working out again, I gained back a few lbs (water weight for sure)...but have stayed pretty stable through the week (I used to vary by as much as 5lbs all week long). Monday used to be my lightest day of the week...so we'll see how it looks tomorrow.0 -
there's a lot of really bad information on this thread. Rather than add to the mayhem, I would suggest you seek out a registered dietitian (NOT a nutritionist or doctor unless that doctor has post-graduate nutritional training) and have a long conversation with them. Ketosis isn't something you do to "shed fat", that's all I'll say about that, it's serious stuff and deserves it's due research before you attempt it.
THANK YOU for saying this! I have studied nutritional science/biochemistry/physiology for the past 5 years now and am amazed by the views that people have about ketosis because they do not know the factual/scientific information. I am just happy someone said this because I was about to say something too. I definitely agree with you, there is a LOT of bad information on this thread...0 -
It really doesn't take a drastic cut in carbs for the body to go into ketosis. I am in ketosis at 100 g carbs a day.
I was curious about this. I was eating between 50-100g of carbs for weeks. Then for 2 days (about a month ago I guess) I hardly ate at all (was violently ill vomiting etc). For two weeks after that, I wasn't eating a lot (I did religiously log...I need to go look more carefully at the carbs). I tried to spike my calories every third day at least. I also wasn't exercising whatsoever. I am pretty sure my carbs were higher though...but around 100g on average might be about right.
Now, here's the odd thing. I lost 8lbs in those two weeks, and 4" in my waist. Oddly, my biceps grew 1/4". My urine was very dark and...uhh...pungent the entire time...and honestly, there was a definite difference in my breath in the mornings in particular.
I'm wondering if this could have been some form, or actual ketosis. The only real difference is I felt kind of wierd the entire time. Tired, really. Sometimes even lightly dizzy.
Kind of a wierd experience all around. When I started working out again, I gained back a few lbs (water weight for sure)...but have stayed pretty stable through the week (I used to vary by as much as 5lbs all week long). Monday used to be my lightest day of the week...so we'll see how it looks tomorrow.
there's an easy way to tell, pick up some ketosticks at your local pharmacy, or if your breath and/or urine has a fruity odor to it, you're most likely in ketosis.0 -
there's an easy way to tell, pick up some ketosticks at your local pharmacy, or if your breath and/or urine has a fruity odor to it, you're most likely in ketosis.
Yeah, it was kind of like that. I didn't figure my carbs were anywhere near low enough for ketosis though.
Odd.0 -
there's an easy way to tell, pick up some ketosticks at your local pharmacy, or if your breath and/or urine has a fruity odor to it, you're most likely in ketosis.
Yeah, it was kind of like that. I didn't figure my carbs were anywhere near low enough for ketosis though.
Odd.
depends on your calorie needs, if you can't combine body fat and incoming carb amounts for enough energy to replenish glycogen stores, then the body will transition into ketosis eventually. But along with ketosis comes the possibility of dehydration which if left unchecked can be very dangerous. Especially if you're working out at high intensities.0 -
Yeah, it was kind of like that. I didn't figure my carbs were anywhere near low enough for ketosis though.
Odd.
In my experience I found that ketosis occurred at different levels of carbs depending on my activity level or other factors in my diet. In the beginning I didn't watch calories. I dropped the 60 lbs in 7 months. I had a baby. I only regained 8 lbs of the 60. I kept the 52 lbs off for 5+ yrs..but I only maintained..I brought out my several different low carb books and began climbing the carb ladder. Also, lowering calories. So I think it really it depends on the person the current activity level and the current weight and how long they have been doing low carb. When I am more sedentary I can't eat 100g of carbs and stay in ketosis. Another example of being in ketosis and NOT doing low carb at all was when I was pregnant. I constantly lost weight (I was heavy at the time) and the Dr said every visit I had ketones present but my blood sugar was perfect so he knew it wasn't gestational diabetes.. He said it's because even though I was eating more my metabolism was just vamped because I was pregnant. I have done a lot of research over the last 7 years about all aspects of weight loss and I have read that ketones can be present whenever any weight loss occurs regardless of carb levels.0 -
I personally am friends with several people who have been in ketosis for years with no harmful side-effects. There are sub-cultures around the world who are in ketosis from the time they are weaned because there is NO AGRICULTURE to add carbs to their diets. They live on animals/and their by-products (dairy) and fats. It is how our bodies are made. They are amazingly adaptive to different environments. Just because we as a society have not eating this way does not make it dangerous or strange. It is evolution at its finest.there's a lot of really bad information on this thread. Rather than add to the mayhem, I would suggest you seek out a registered dietitian (NOT a nutritionist or doctor unless that doctor has post-graduate nutritional training) and have a long conversation with them. Ketosis isn't something you do to "shed fat", that's all I'll say about that, it's serious stuff and deserves it's due research before you attempt it.
THANK YOU for saying this! I have studied nutritional science/biochemistry/physiology for the past 5 years now and am amazed by the views that people have about ketosis because they do not know the factual/scientific information. I am just happy someone said this because I was about to say something too. I definitely agree with you, there is a LOT of bad information on this thread...0 -
There are companies out there trying to produce artificial foods that are made out of immediate ketone precursors for the purpose of treating (not curing mind) alzheimers and parkinsons (not to mention it would probably help with epilepsy).
But the epileptic kids on ketosis diets did suffer problems from it, but they also eat much more restrictively (they have to be consuming 80% fat) than your average "low carb" dieter.
Also many people who aren't trying to diet begin using ketones for fuel during the sleeplong fast even on relatively normal diets. I really can't see how something that basically normal people who don't overeat and have well functioning metabolisms experience most nights can be excessively dangerous. Especially given feast and famine are a normal part of life and how exceptionally well the human body is adapted to change (one of the reasons we have spread all across the world instead of sticking to one little evolutionary niche). Some people think its the change in metabolism that causes the benefits of calorie restriction (to longevity) but I guess the jury is still out on that and indeed we'll have to wait a few years to see if it works on humans :P0 -
I personally am friends with several people who have been in ketosis for years with no harmful side-effects. There are sub-cultures around the world who are in ketosis from the time they are weaned because there is NO AGRICULTURE to add carbs to their diets. They live on animals/and their by-products (dairy) and fats. It is how our bodies are made. They are amazingly adaptive to different environments. Just because we as a society have not eating this way does not make it dangerous or strange. It is evolution at its finest.there's a lot of really bad information on this thread. Rather than add to the mayhem, I would suggest you seek out a registered dietitian (NOT a nutritionist or doctor unless that doctor has post-graduate nutritional training) and have a long conversation with them. Ketosis isn't something you do to "shed fat", that's all I'll say about that, it's serious stuff and deserves it's due research before you attempt it.
THANK YOU for saying this! I have studied nutritional science/biochemistry/physiology for the past 5 years now and am amazed by the views that people have about ketosis because they do not know the factual/scientific information. I am just happy someone said this because I was about to say something too. I definitely agree with you, there is a LOT of bad information on this thread...
be very very careful using personal experience to prove a point, that's really not relevant, there's people all over the world that survive and sometimes thrive in out of the ordinary situations, without repeatable scientific research, it's not something you can bring forward as proof.
I'll add that I never said there was anything wrong with being in ketosis, I said that it's a serious thing with consequences and that you should do research on it and talk to real experts before doing it. Yes there are societies that live with low carbohydrate diets, but you need to point out the other side of that equation, the majority of the world lives just fine on high(er) carbohydrate diets. So what does that say? It says that while adaptations in the human body and diversity allow for a multitude of fuels to feed the body, no 1 single macronutrient type is the end all be all. Ideally the body runs extremely efficiently with carbohydrates, there's no need to change that for most of us.
I submit that eating a reasonable carb level is fine for 90 plus % of the world, and it's far more about nutrient quality (quality carbs, quality fats, quality proteins) and portion size (and of course total caloric intake) than macronutrient percentages. And the small minority that thrives off of a one-off diet like ketogenic are simply more proof that the body is very adaptable, not that it's designed to run one way or another.
One thing you can do is read up on glycogen levels post anaerobic activity for a ketogenic person, they recover far slower than the normal, carb eating, person, which means very high intensity trending individuals will have issues with ketogenic diets, where as endurance and sub-maximal individual (cardio, weight training not to failure, circuit training not to failure) will probably be fine, but try to do failure stuff, and recovery becomes a serious problem.0 -
I personally am friends with several people who have been in ketosis for years with no harmful side-effects. There are sub-cultures around the world who are in ketosis from the time they are weaned because there is NO AGRICULTURE to add carbs to their diets. They live on animals/and their by-products (dairy) and fats. It is how our bodies are made. They are amazingly adaptive to different environments. Just because we as a society have not eating this way does not make it dangerous or strange. It is evolution at its finest.there's a lot of really bad information on this thread. Rather than add to the mayhem, I would suggest you seek out a registered dietitian (NOT a nutritionist or doctor unless that doctor has post-graduate nutritional training) and have a long conversation with them. Ketosis isn't something you do to "shed fat", that's all I'll say about that, it's serious stuff and deserves it's due research before you attempt it.
THANK YOU for saying this! I have studied nutritional science/biochemistry/physiology for the past 5 years now and am amazed by the views that people have about ketosis because they do not know the factual/scientific information. I am just happy someone said this because I was about to say something too. I definitely agree with you, there is a LOT of bad information on this thread...
be very very careful using personal experience to prove a point, that's really not relevant, there's people all over the world that survive and sometimes thrive in out of the ordinary situations, without repeatable scientific research, it's not something you can bring forward as proof.
I'll add that I never said there was anything wrong with being in ketosis, I said that it's a serious thing with consequences and that you should do research on it and talk to real experts before doing it. Yes there are societies that live with low carbohydrate diets, but you need to point out the other side of that equation, the majority of the world lives just fine on high(er) carbohydrate diets. So what does that say? It says that while adaptations in the human body and diversity allow for a multitude of fuels to feed the body, no 1 single macronutrient type is the end all be all. Ideally the body runs extremely efficiently with carbohydrates, there's no need to change that for most of us.
I submit that eating a reasonable carb level is fine for 90 plus % of the world, and it's far more about nutrient quality (quality carbs, quality fats, quality proteins) and portion size (and of course total caloric intake) than macronutrient percentages. And the small minority that thrives off of a one-off diet like ketogenic are simply more proof that the body is very adaptable, not that it's designed to run one way or another.
One thing you can do is read up on glycogen levels post anaerobic activity for a ketogenic person, they recover far slower than the normal, carb eating, person, which means very high intensity trending individuals will have issues with ketogenic diets, where as endurance and sub-maximal individual (cardio, weight training not to failure, circuit training not to failure) will probably be fine, but try to do failure stuff, and recovery becomes a serious problem.
Arguing with a personal statement in matters like this is a bit like bringing a watergun to a sword fight, agreed!
All I will say is, I work with special needs children and one of the students has epilepsy and she is on this diet. She needs the diet to help reduce her seizures. If this poor girl is using this diet to reduce the amount of seizures I think it's pretty serious AND depends on the person.0 -
Yes thank you! A dietitian is a great resource. Did you know that many medical schools don't require doctor's to take a nutrition course. I am a nurse and have worked with many doctors that have no nutritional education. They always referred our patients out to registered dietitians, not nutritionists.0
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Arguing with a personal statement in matters like this is a bit like bringing a watergun to a sword fight, agreed!
All I will say is, I work with special needs children and one of the students has epilepsy and she is on this diet. She needs the diet to help reduce her seizures. If this poor girl is using this diet to reduce the amount of seizures I think it's pretty serious AND depends on the person.
right, high fat diets, have been clinically proven to reduce, and in some cases, eliminate seizures. Wholeheartedly agree with that.0 -
Yes thank you! A dietician is a great resource. Did you know that many medical schools don't require doctor's to take a nutrition course. I am a nurse and have worked with many doctors that have no nutritional education. They always referred our patients out to registered dieticians, not nutritionists.
yep, learned this little tidbit early on. There's no state or federal requirement for being a nutritionist. Heck I could hang a shingle tomorrow that says I'm a nutritionist and it would be perfectly legal. Registered dietitians on the other hand, have to be registered and complete an initial, and continuing certification requirement and a 4 year degree from an accredited college (in the US at least) and most states also have minimum requirements to become one.
Love those commercials where they state "recommended by doctor...XXX" because that means very little to me, I would want to see that doctor's credentials before I give it any credence.0 -
If you're looking at ketosis for cutting and you have no existing health issues - I'd recommend reading Lyle McDonald's primer on the ketogenic diet. Like others have said here, it's not something to be taken lightly, you do need to understand the science behind it, and you need to understand when it's time to increase your carbohydrate levels.
If you're using the diet to treat a medical condition or metabolic disorder, I'd chat with a professional first.
Purely anecdotal - it does work in short bursts to break a plateau for me, but for "long term" usage, it wasn't of benefit. I was eating about 20 net carbs daily. I didn't have the necessary energy levels to power through my workouts. I increased my carbs and felt much better.0 -
Yes thank you! A dietician is a great resource. Did you know that many medical schools don't require doctor's to take a nutrition course. I am a nurse and have worked with many doctors that have no nutritional education. They always referred our patients out to registered dieticians, not nutritionists.
yep, learned this little tidbit early on. There's no state or federal requirement for being a nutritionist. Heck I could hang a shingle tomorrow that says I'm a nutritionist and it would be perfectly legal. Registered dietitians on the other hand, have to be registered and complete an initial, and continuing certification requirement and a 4 year degree from an accredited college (in the US at least) and most states also have minimum requirements to become one.
Love those commercials where they state "recommended by doctor...XXX" because that means very little to me, I would want to see that doctor's credentials before I give it any credence.
So true. I always laugh when I see people say "talk to your doctor". For a medical problem or to determine if certain physical activites are ok (among many other things) but unless they have special training in nutrition and you have specific questions about diet, a dietitian is the way to go.0 -
So true. I always laugh when I see people say "talk to your doctor". For a medical problem or to determine if certain physical activites are ok (among many other things) but unless they have special training in nutrition and you have specific questions about diet, a dietitian is the way to go.
I wouldn't laugh too hard. Most people need a referral from their doctor to see a dietician if they want their medical insurance to cover it. There may also be underlying medical issues which might need to be addressed before a dietician can be much help. I will always suggest a visit to a doctor first.0 -
So true. I always laugh when I see people say "talk to your doctor". For a medical problem or to determine if certain physical activites are ok (among many other things) but unless they have special training in nutrition and you have specific questions about diet, a dietitian is the way to go.
I wouldn't laugh too hard. Most people need a referral from their doctor to see a dietician if they want their medical insurance to cover it. There may also be underlying medical issues which might need to be addressed before a dietician can be much help. I will always suggest a visit to a doctor first.
2 things about this, First, you don't need a referral from a doctor to see a dietitian, I am partnered with one for my clients, she costs 70 bucks for a 1 hour consult, no insurance required. Second, there may be underlying medical issues with anything having to do with your body, that shouldn't preclude you from seeing a dietitian. If you're trying to figure out dietary requirements and calorie or nutrients requirements you go see a dietitian, if you follow a dietitian's guidelines, and still have trouble, you go see a doctor to run tests, not the other way around.0 -
The problem with using low carbing as a short term weight loss method is you will gain back what you lost plus a few extra pounds. It can't be a quick fix plan it is either a life style change or not.
No, not necessarily. If you use ketosis to burn body fat, then maintain a healthy diet after (that could maintain that bodyfat anyhow), you won't gain anything back, or at most you'll gain a slight amount of bodyfat to the level of your current diet's maintenance. It's people that use low carb to lose...then go back to their previous diet that got them fat in the first place...or even one similar. You bet they'll gain it all back then.
Thank you for this. I'm beyond tired of seeing "once you get off that diet (or) if you lose weight fast you'll gain it all back & then some!". The only way you gain anything back is by resuming you *kitten* eating habits. Statements like that are the rationalizations of those who are disappointed w/ their current progress or lack of discipline, imo and experience. Preaching that is simply hindering potential. I'm proof that you can lose weight quickly and maintain a loss/continue losing. I've been maintaining my goal weight for over a year now.
I've had success w/ low carb, give it a try!
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Has anyone hit a plateau and tried the ketosis diet? If you know anything about it please share.
Google the Anabolic Diet. It's highly effective and damn near plateau proof if done right. It was written by Dr. Maurio Pasquale I believe. It's a diet plan that is easily easily manageable in the long-term.0 -
The poor girl just wanted information not peoples criticism.0
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The poor girl just wanted information not peoples criticism.
Euro! What's up bro?0 -
Lol we hijackin the thread? Haha me n wife chillen out watchin tmz... What bout u?0
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Lol we hijackin the thread? Haha me n wife chillen out watchin tmz... What bout u?
Watching That 70's Show and getting ready for bed.
I think I'm just gonna put the Anabolic Diet link in my thread and just refer to it for now on, it's a pretty *****in' diet style.0
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