TIRED OF BEING HUNGRY!

myukniewicz

try to ...
- drink more water
- eat more high fibers foods, like whole grains, fruits and veggies. apples are a great choice that curb appetite
- eat more protein. protein also keeps you feeling fuller longer - greek yogurt is a great option

i make smoothies as meal replacements, or snacks and they hold me over for a good 3 hours
1 cup frozen fruit (whatever your heart desires)
1 cup plain, fat free, greek yogurt
1/2 cup plain, light soy milk
1 packet truvia
1 tbsp cold milled flax seed (optional)

it makes a killer smoothie, and all the protein, and fiber keeps ya full

taem

Usually anything that is rich in protein will keep you feeling full for longer.

Truer words have rarely been spoken.. :happy:

Also damages your kidneys, see you in dialysis!

TK421NotAtPost

Usually anything that is rich in protein will keep you feeling full for longer.

Truer words have rarely been spoken.. :happy:

Also damages your kidneys, see you in dialysis!

Oh yes, thank you for perpetuating old myths that have been disproved many times again and again. Quite frankly, I'm starting have less and less respect for Dr. McDougal if that is the type of outdated info he is spouting.

http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/2/1/25

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10722779

Let me guess, you also believe high protein leaches calcium from your bones, causes heart disease, colon cancer and metabolic acidosis?

freerange

Usually anything that is rich in protein will keep you feeling full for longer.

Truer words have rarely been spoken.. :happy:

Also damages your kidneys, see you in dialysis!

Oh yes, thank you for perpetuating old myths that have been disproved many times again and again. Quite frankly, I'm starting have less and less respect for Dr. McDougal if that is the type of outdated info he is spouting.

http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/2/1/25

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10722779

Let me guess, you also believe high protein leaches calcium from your bones, causes heart disease, colon cancer and metabolic acidosis?

^^^^ what he said^^^^

taem

Usually anything that is rich in protein will keep you feeling full for longer.

Truer words have rarely been spoken.. :happy:

Also damages your kidneys, see you in dialysis!

Oh yes, thank you for perpetuating old myths that have been disproved many times again and again. Quite frankly, I'm starting have less and less respect for Dr. McDougal if that is the type of outdated info he is spouting.

http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/2/1/25

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10722779

Let me guess, you also believe high protein leaches calcium from your bones, causes heart disease, colon cancer and metabolic acidosis?

Well, Atkins is dead, Sears can't follow his own diet, and McDougall is not only alive and well, he is active with his children and grand children. Atkins and McDougall followed their own diet, Sears can't due to his "family genetic problem."

Yes, I totally believe that high protein damages the kidneys (the article you cite applies to athletes) and the other source: While protein restriction may be appropriate for treatment of existing kidney disease, we find no significant evidence for a detrimental effect of high protein intakes on kidney function in healthy persons after centuries of a high protein Western diet.

So it is now shown that in America, over 2/3 are overweight (except Colorado). Whose healthy? whose an athlete?

TK421NotAtPost

Well, Atkins is dead, Sears can't follow his own diet, and McDougall is not only alive and well, he is active with his children and grand children. Atkins and McDougall followed their own diet, Sears can't due to his "family genetic problem."

Yes, I totally believe that high protein damages the kidneys (the article you cite applies to athletes) and the other source: While protein restriction may be appropriate for treatment of existing kidney disease, we find no significant evidence for a detrimental effect of high protein intakes on kidney function in healthy persons after centuries of a high protein Western diet.

So it is now shown that in America, over 2/3 are overweight (except Colorado). Whose healthy? whose an athlete?

So instead of blindly believing what McDougal says, why don't you cite some evidence that shows high protein causes kidney damage? I just showed you two studies that prove my point and your response is "yes, I believe that high protein damages the kidneys". The reason why you believe this despite a lack of evidence is because of your zealotry and not because of any published studies. Heck, I fight with the Paleo people all the time but their positions are grounded in science. Can't say the same for you.

As for your comment on "America", yes, there is an overweight problem. Let me give you a hint as to why.... It isn't overconsumption of protein. From Mark Sisson's blog, experts from the Medical Research Council at the University of College London estimate that, while the typical Western diet today is composed of 49% carbs, 35% fats and 16% protein.

Atkins is dead so protein causes kidney damage? WTH? LOL

taem

Well, Atkins is dead, Sears can't follow his own diet, and McDougall is not only alive and well, he is active with his children and grand children. Atkins and McDougall followed their own diet, Sears can't due to his "family genetic problem."

Yes, I totally believe that high protein damages the kidneys (the article you cite applies to athletes) and the other source: While protein restriction may be appropriate for treatment of existing kidney disease, we find no significant evidence for a detrimental effect of high protein intakes on kidney function in healthy persons after centuries of a high protein Western diet.

So it is now shown that in America, over 2/3 are overweight (except Colorado). Whose healthy? whose an athlete?

So instead of blindly believing what McDougal says, why don't you cite some evidence that shows high protein causes kidney damage? I just showed you two studies that prove my point and your response is "yes, I believe that high protein damages the kidneys". The reason why you believe this despite a lack of evidence is because of your zealotry and not because of any published studies. Heck, I fight with the Paleo people all the time but their positions are grounded in science. Can't say the same for you.

As for your comment on "America", yes, there is an overweight problem. Let me give you a hint as to why.... It isn't overconsumption of protein. From Mark Sisson's blog, experts from the Medical Research Council at the University of College London estimate that, while the typical Western diet today is composed of 49% carbs, 35% fats and 16% protein.

Atkins is dead so protein causes kidney damage? WTH? LOL

if you read your own sources, they don't know the long term effects. As for proof as to my claims. Lets look at China, Korea, Japan. Prior to the the Western Diet coming over, they ate nothing but rice and veggies. You would think they would all be laden with diabetes, prostrate cancer, cardio vascular disease, a lot of "affluent" diseases.

But they don't. That is my research. Native Indians in the US ate nothing but corn, sweet potatoes and other types of carbs, they didn't have these types of diseases.

So I cite you cultures that have lived on carb only diets, and show that their numbers are exceeding lower than those in America.

My point about the authors of their own diet was a remark as to those who think high protein diets is the way to go, I remind them to look at the authors of the diets and see for themselves.

http://www.gjs.net/DEBATE.TXT is the debate between notables, Atkins, Sears, Ornish and McDougall. It's an interesting read.

nthnglsts

When I first started this, Nature Valley Granola Bars kept me on track, the moist ones, :happy: dark chocolate, fruit & nut, sweet and salty. 140-180 calories. Drink a glass of cold water along with the bar. Also any kind of nuts. Hard boiled eggs. Cut back on the bread and potatoes. They fill you up but make you hungrier later.

TK421NotAtPost

Well, Atkins is dead, Sears can't follow his own diet, and McDougall is not only alive and well, he is active with his children and grand children. Atkins and McDougall followed their own diet, Sears can't due to his "family genetic problem."

Yes, I totally believe that high protein damages the kidneys (the article you cite applies to athletes) and the other source: While protein restriction may be appropriate for treatment of existing kidney disease, we find no significant evidence for a detrimental effect of high protein intakes on kidney function in healthy persons after centuries of a high protein Western diet.

So it is now shown that in America, over 2/3 are overweight (except Colorado). Whose healthy? whose an athlete?

So instead of blindly believing what McDougal says, why don't you cite some evidence that shows high protein causes kidney damage? I just showed you two studies that prove my point and your response is "yes, I believe that high protein damages the kidneys". The reason why you believe this despite a lack of evidence is because of your zealotry and not because of any published studies. Heck, I fight with the Paleo people all the time but their positions are grounded in science. Can't say the same for you.

As for your comment on "America", yes, there is an overweight problem. Let me give you a hint as to why.... It isn't overconsumption of protein. From Mark Sisson's blog, experts from the Medical Research Council at the University of College London estimate that, while the typical Western diet today is composed of 49% carbs, 35% fats and 16% protein.

Atkins is dead so protein causes kidney damage? WTH? LOL

if you read your own sources, they don't know the long term effects. As for proof as to my claims. Lets look at China, Korea, Japan. Prior to the the Western Diet coming over, they ate nothing but rice and veggies. You would think they would all be laden with diabetes, prostrate cancer, cardio vascular disease, a lot of "affluent" diseases.

But they don't. That is my research. Native Indians in the US ate nothing but corn, sweet potatoes and other types of carbs, they didn't have these types of diseases.

So I cite you cultures that have lived on carb only diets, and show that their numbers are exceeding lower than those in America.

My point about the authors of their own diet was a remark as to those who think high protein diets is the way to go, I remind them to look at the authors of the diets and see for themselves.

http://www.gjs.net/DEBATE.TXT is the debate between notables, Atkins, Sears, Ornish and McDougall. It's an interesting read.

You are getting WAY off-topic. The OP wanted to know about satiating foods and some of us responded with suggesting protein. Let's review what happened after that.

You responded with "see you in dialysis"

Then I posted two studies which prove that consuming a high level of protein does not cause dialysis or kidney damage. You had no response to refute that and instead you switched the debate to the merits of the McDougal approach over Atkins and Ornish and Sears.

Not sure why you felt the need to do that. Perhaps when I suggested to the OP to use protein to increase satiety, you must have taken that statement as my stance against eating carbs or carb-based diets. Nothing could be further from the truth. As evidenced by my journal, I believe carbs (including starchy carbs) are an important component of a healthy diet. My girlfriend is living proof that one can do well on a low-protein, high carb diet. She does a lot better eating a lot of starchy carbs. Yet, she has a ripped physique and a bicep peak that puts mine to shame.

As for the Atkins, McDougal, Ornish and Sears debate, I honestly could not care less about them. To me, while they have their merits, they are still part of a group of people who promote one-size-fits-all diets. I prefer science based approaches from people like Lyle McDonald, Tom Venuto, and Alan Aragon who understand that diet plans need to be individually tailored according to each person's goals, metabolism and sensitivity to carbs.

And since you seem to be keen on using non-scientific, observational data, active people have been habitually consuming large amounts of protein for at least several decades without any reported increase in the incidence of kidney problems. If such a problem were going to occur, it seems likely that it would have shown up by now. While this certainly doesn’t prove that high protein intakes aren’t potentially detrimental to kidney function, the data in support of that idea would seem to be lacking both from a scientific and real-world point of view.

Those Asian nations and native American didn't suffer from the metabolic disorders you mention because they followed the #1 dietary rule when it comes to health...they ate in moderation. Being fat is in and of itself, highly inflammatory. The cultures mentioned above stayed slim. Also, ever heard of the Inuit? Try googling them. They ate an all fat, all protein diet. As the Inuit and carb-eating cultures have shown, eating in moderation trumps macro considerations each day of the week and twice on Sunday.

Also, if you want to use the absurd argument to "look at the authors" to debate the merits of eating plans, do a search on Martin Berkham, Tom Venuto, Alan Aragon, Mark Sisson, and see how they look.

So I realize that the horse has already left the barn, perhaps we should stop this thread hijack. If you want to respond, please send me an e-mail and try to stick to point. Let's stay away from the vegan vs. animal based debates. I’ve heard all the vegan arguments before and I totally I understand that a vegan diet works fantastically when applied correctly. No need to preach to the choir on veganism.

mynameisnutz

Taem, you come off as militantly vegan, you attack pretty much every other lifestyle that isn't yours, and when asked to back it up, you spout Internet dogma, severely outdated or irrelevant research, or anecdotal evidence. In any of these threads I have not once seen a shred of evidence for the ludicrously outdated claims you have made. That is all.

hpygirl64ColleenLinder

Lots of fiber and plenty of water will fill you up like nothing else of course. I'm with the man up above nothing makes me full more satisified, less hungry, and curbs my cravings all the while giving me all day sustained energy then my ShakeO does. Make sure
your eating every 3 hours so that your blood sugars don't drop and cause you to eat the house!!

Feel free to friend me anyone that wants some positive food for thought each day! Have a fit-tabulous day!