Milk or no milk?

dayzeerock

http://www.rense.com/general26/milk.htm

Rense is not a reliable source for anything.

Well unfortunately, I cannot share the medical reports of the doctors and nutritionists that I work with here online, so that is all I can give. In this case, they are a very reliable source. If you do any research at all and look for sources that were not FUNDED by the Dairy Association, you will find it, too.

Then you should post those, not a link to a conspiracist and anti-Semitic website.

Was not trying to start an argument. I didn't bash anybody else's thoughts on the matter as you are doing. I was merely referring the person asking to my personal point of view, which they asked for. So you can either do some more research that is unfunded by the dairy counsel or the dairy association, and when you have done sufficient research then I will debate with you. But until then, I will not.

You are missing (or rather, avoiding) the point. You posted a link to an article and site with no credibility whatsoever. If you want to deal in facts, then there is something to discuss. But you're not dealing in facts.

Then feel free to stop by the British Medical Journal (http://www.bmj.com/), the New England Medical Journal (http://www.nejm.org/) or even Scientific News (http://www.sciencenews.org/) and just type "milk" into any of their search engines to find HUNDREDS of peer reviewed and scientific/medical studies with the facts if you are afraid of the initial website I posted.

Atlantique

http://www.rense.com/general26/milk.htm

Rense is not a reliable source for anything.

Well unfortunately, I cannot share the medical reports of the doctors and nutritionists that I work with here online, so that is all I can give. In this case, they are a very reliable source. If you do any research at all and look for sources that were not FUNDED by the Dairy Association, you will find it, too.

Then you should post those, not a link to a conspiracist and anti-Semitic website.

Was not trying to start an argument. I didn't bash anybody else's thoughts on the matter as you are doing. I was merely referring the person asking to my personal point of view, which they asked for. So you can either do some more research that is unfunded by the dairy counsel or the dairy association, and when you have done sufficient research then I will debate with you. But until then, I will not.

You are missing (or rather, avoiding) the point. You posted a link to an article and site with no credibility whatsoever. If you want to deal in facts, then there is something to discuss. But you're not dealing in facts.

Then feel free to stop by the British Medical Journal (http://www.bmj.com/), the New England Medical Journal (http://www.nejm.org/) or even Scientific News (http://www.sciencenews.org/) and just type "milk" into any of their search engines to find HUNDREDS of peer reviewed and scientific/medical studies with the facts if you are afraid of the initial website I posted.

I'm not 'afraid' of Rense. He's a career conspiracy theorist, UFO believer, racist, homophobe and anti-Semite. Frankly, I find it patently offensive that you posted a link to such a website on MFP. ESPECIALLY when it does not help you to prove your point that you believe milk is dangerous. I doubt I'm the only one offended.

I never offered an opinion one way or the other about milk. You apparently decided that I had one contrary to yours because I said your original source was not credible. And at first, rather than supply a credible source, you launched ad hominem attacks.

I may read your more credible links later. Thanks for those.

exacerbe

http://www.rense.com/general26/milk.htm

Rense is not a reliable source for anything.

Well unfortunately, I cannot share the medical reports of the doctors and nutritionists that I work with here online, so that is all I can give. In this case, they are a very reliable source. If you do any research at all and look for sources that were not FUNDED by the Dairy Association, you will find it, too.

Then you should post those, not a link to a conspiracist and anti-Semitic website.

Was not trying to start an argument. I didn't bash anybody else's thoughts on the matter as you are doing. I was merely referring the person asking to my personal point of view, which they asked for. So you can either do some more research that is unfunded by the dairy counsel or the dairy association, and when you have done sufficient research then I will debate with you. But until then, I will not.

You are missing (or rather, avoiding) the point. You posted a link to an article and site with no credibility whatsoever. If you want to deal in facts, then there is something to discuss. But you're not dealing in facts.

Then feel free to stop by the British Medical Journal (http://www.bmj.com/), the New England Medical Journal (http://www.nejm.org/) or even Scientific News (http://www.sciencenews.org/) and just type "milk" into any of their search engines to find HUNDREDS of peer reviewed and scientific/medical studies with the facts if you are afraid of the initial website I posted.

I'm not 'afraid' of Rense. He's a career conspiracy theorist, UFO believer, racist, homophobe and anti-Semite. Frankly, I find it patently offensive that you posted a link to such a website on MFP. ESPECIALLY when it does not help you to prove your point that you believe milk is dangerous. I doubt I'm the only one offended.

I never offered an opinion one way or the other about milk. You apparently decided that I had one contrary to yours because I said your original source was not credible. And at first, rather than supply a credible source, you launched ad hominem attacks.

I may read your more credible links later. Thanks for those.

why does every post end up with an argument... no one was preaching here -- whether it was credible or not. More so, I would like to believe people had enough common sense to determine whether what they read on the internet is true or false.

Medical research can be flawed -- whether it is credible or not.

If you want to drink milk... drink it. If not, don't. If you want to smoke -- do so... if not, don't. Fast food? It's your lifestyle.

Calm down people

atomdraco

Absolutely! Protein, calcium... If you want to cut down calories & fat, drink skim (fat-free) milk.

TK421NotAtPost

In this case, they are a very reliable source. If you do any research at all and look for sources that were not FUNDED by the Dairy Association, you will find it, too.

Yeah, because information compiled by an animal rights activist is a lot more reliable. :laugh: :laugh:

piezoeyjune

Is milk ok to include in a diet?

Honestly, you really dont need milk. There are many other ways to get the calcium your body needs without drinking milk. BUT, you have to make sure you are getting enough calcium or its osteoporosis later on...

Here's a page from Harvard University.
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/calcium-and-milk/

I love milk but b/c Im watching my calories I have very little of it and replace the calcium in other ways...

Good luck

Qarol

Milk is great! But some people don't like it. My mom only has milk in her cereal. She doesn't like to drink it. But with everything, too much, even of a good thing, is not a good thing. So don't overdo it.

realdisco

If you really want it then go ahead.
Tasty alternatives are Silk's Almond Milk and So Delicious' Coconut Milk.

Keep in mind that when you are consuming dairy milk or soy milk, you are taking in estrogen.
This would be the greater concern for anybody.

jamesdelong

I use reduced fat milk for my cereal but I love almond milk and that's what I use when making protein shakes.
I say give almond milk a try.. it's low on calories.

TK421NotAtPost

Keep in mind that when you are consuming dairy milk or soy milk, you are taking in estrogen.
This would be the greater concern for anybody.

Sure, except the average male naturally produces far more estrogen each day than you'd get from consuming gallons of dairy milk. The amout of estrogen you get from milk really isn't a concern....

Soy milk, on the other hand, should probably be eaten in moderation for men....just to be on the safe side.

taem

I don't drink milk or consume dairy products as nature says, our mother's milk is limited, why keep drinking it? If you say calcium, I'm sure you can find it in other sources. If you like to drink it, go for it.

TK421NotAtPost

I don't drink milk or consume dairy products as nature says, our mother's milk is limited, why keep drinking it? If you say calcium, I'm sure you can find it in other sources. If you like to drink it, go for it.

Well, with a few notable exceptions throughout history, we don't kill and carve up our moms into steaks either, do we? Is carving up and eating a juicy filet mignon steak any less natural than eating food that was meant for baby cows?

taem

I don't drink milk or consume dairy products as nature says, our mother's milk is limited, why keep drinking it? If you say calcium, I'm sure you can find it in other sources. If you like to drink it, go for it.

Well, with a few notable exceptions throughout history, we don't kill and carve up our moms into steaks either, do we? Is carving up and eating a juicy filet mignon steak any less natural than eating food that was meant for baby cows?

Eat away!

Atlantique

I don't drink milk or consume dairy products as nature says, our mother's milk is limited, why keep drinking it? If you say calcium, I'm sure you can find it in other sources. If you like to drink it, go for it.

I guess the problem I have with this school of thought is that we eat many other things that are meant to nourish "baby" things: eggs, nuts, seeds.

TK421NotAtPost

I don't drink milk or consume dairy products as nature says, our mother's milk is limited, why keep drinking it? If you say calcium, I'm sure you can find it in other sources. If you like to drink it, go for it.

Well, with a few notable exceptions throughout history, we don't kill and carve up our moms into steaks either, do we? Is carving up and eating a juicy filet mignon steak any less natural than eating food that was meant for baby cows?

Eat away!

I don't drink milk... and I'm not trying to justify my diet. I just find the subject interesting.

juicygurl1

This is a hard question, because the alternatives available don't always measure up to the taste you are accustom to. I discovered Organic low fat milk, and i love the taste. I also enjoy the taste of Silk, soy milk. I only drink Milk once in awhile, because i am not a big fan of milk, but these two suggestions are my favorites!

Gary6030

Silk Almond Milk for the win!

missysmission777

I use silk almond unsweetened

Gary6030

I don't drink milk or consume dairy products as nature says, our mother's milk is limited, why keep drinking it? If you say calcium, I'm sure you can find it in other sources. If you like to drink it, go for it.

Well, with a few notable exceptions throughout history, we don't kill and carve up our moms into steaks either, do we? Is carving up and eating a juicy filet mignon steak any less natural than eating food that was meant for baby cows?

Mother's Milk is limited? THIS MADE ME LOL SO HARD!

TK421NotAtPost

I stopped drinking mother's milk in high school. It just wasn't able to satisfy my growing body.

JeremiahStone

I'm guessing I'm just going to go with almond milk, it's low on calories an has more calcium than milk.

JeremiahStone

I stopped drinking mother's milk in high school. It just wasn't able to satisfy my growing body.

O_o

taem

I don't drink milk or consume dairy products as nature says, our mother's milk is limited, why keep drinking it? If you say calcium, I'm sure you can find it in other sources. If you like to drink it, go for it.

Well, with a few notable exceptions throughout history, we don't kill and carve up our moms into steaks either, do we? Is carving up and eating a juicy filet mignon steak any less natural than eating food that was meant for baby cows?

Mother's Milk is limited? THIS MADE ME LOL SO HARD!

I am glad you are happy today. Human mothers don't have a constant supply of milk, so yes, it is limited. Yet, we are told that cow's milk is good for the rest of our lives (or when we decided not to drink it).

If you are a calf, go ahead and drink away!

i_love_vinegar

I used to drink 800+ calories in milk per day, never had to worry about my weight.

I am cutting down for my diet due to paranoia, but I say go ahead and drink it =D My grandpa drink a gallon per day his entire life...he can skip around all day long, while other people are stumbling due to arthritis. =D

BrookeEspinosa

I could not live without milk. Honestly! I have a cup of 1% every night before bed. I couldn't go to sleep without it.