chocolate milk
most of us have heard chocolate milk is great after you work out. can anybody help straiten out my knowledge on it because this is the general consensus of what im told...
1 glass of chocolate milk (surprisingly from whole milke) is EXTREMELY good for you after you work out. if you look at the nutrition facts there 27g carbs and 9g protein. the 3:1 ratio allows restoration of ATP and aids your muscles with energy to actually absorb, digest and rebuild from the the protein. also the thinkness from the fat creates a mucus coating over your stomach (that is usually warn down while working out). this gives moisture and protection to your stomach allowing for easier and more sufficient digestion.
1 glass of chocolate milk (surprisingly from whole milke) is EXTREMELY good for you after you work out. if you look at the nutrition facts there 27g carbs and 9g protein. the 3:1 ratio allows restoration of ATP and aids your muscles with energy to actually absorb, digest and rebuild from the the protein. also the thinkness from the fat creates a mucus coating over your stomach (that is usually warn down while working out). this gives moisture and protection to your stomach allowing for easier and more sufficient digestion.
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They just did a report on the news, that after much testing, the best drink after workout is non-alcoholic beer?0
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They just did a report on the news, that after much testing, the best drink after workout is non-alcoholic beer?
from what im aware, beer is better than water for REHYDRATING you after a workout, but its got nothing to do with refueling or healing your muscles. Chocolate milk has a good balance of protein and carbs and is an ideal recovery drink for post workouts if you dont want to have a protein shake0 -
most of us have heard chocolate milk is great after you work out. can anybody help straiten out my knowledge on it because this is the general consensus of what im told...
1 glass of chocolate milk (surprisingly from whole milke) is EXTREMELY good for you after you work out. if you look at the nutrition facts there 27g carbs and 9g protein. the 3:1 ratio allows restoration of ATP and aids your muscles with energy to actually absorb, digest and rebuild from the the protein. also the thinkness from the fat creates a mucus coating over your stomach (that is usually warn down while working out). this gives moisture and protection to your stomach allowing for easier and more sufficient digestion.
I don't know where the entire ATP thing comes in to this. Makes no sense. I am not saying the "macro nutrients" in the chocolate milk will not support an anabolic enviorment, they will. I am talking more about health. Is it healthy? Not at all. Somene posted the link to bodybuilding.com. It appeards this chocolate milk thing is for "bulking." Like I said before, it's not healthy. You know people who drink diet coke have a bigger waist line then the people who don't drink it... how is this possible if it has 0 calories? Because there is more to it then just macro nutrient's and calories. It's about acid in the body. As I told abby in email our common cold to cancer is based on your acidicty level. chocolate milk is highly acidic. I can't imagine a pro bodybuilder drinking a big glass of chocolate milk after a workout. I have a friend who is like 250 at 5% bodyfat year round. He would literally laugh at this chocolate milk comment.
If you want the proper macronutrient ratios, just add some oatmeal to your protein shake to get the right ratio. I can promise you it's a lot healthier than chocolate milk.0 -
most of us have heard chocolate milk is great after you work out. can anybody help straiten out my knowledge on it because this is the general consensus of what im told...
1 glass of chocolate milk (surprisingly from whole milke) is EXTREMELY good for you after you work out. if you look at the nutrition facts there 27g carbs and 9g protein. the 3:1 ratio allows restoration of ATP and aids your muscles with energy to actually absorb, digest and rebuild from the the protein. also the thinkness from the fat creates a mucus coating over your stomach (that is usually warn down while working out). this gives moisture and protection to your stomach allowing for easier and more sufficient digestion.
I don't know where the entire ATP thing comes in to this. Makes no sense. I am not saying the "macro nutrients" in the chocolate milk will not support an anabolic enviorment, they will. I am talking more about health. Is it healthy? Not at all. Somene posted the link to bodybuilding.com. It appeards this chocolate milk thing is for "bulking." Like I said before, it's not healthy. You know people who drink diet coke have a bigger waist line then the people who don't drink it... how is this possible if it has 0 calories? Because there is more to it then just macro nutrient's and calories. It's about acid in the body. As I told abby in email our common cold to cancer is based on your acidicty level. chocolate milk is highly acidic. I can't imagine a pro bodybuilder drinking a big glass of chocolate milk after a workout. I have a friend who is like 250 at 5% bodyfat year round. He would literally laugh at this chocolate milk comment.
If you want the proper macronutrient ratios, just add some oatmeal to your protein shake to get the right ratio. I can promise you it's a lot healthier than chocolate milk.
Had a good chuckle reading this nonsense.
Also alkion if your friend is at 5% bodyfat year round with a weight of 250lbs then he must be a famous BodyBuilder, care to share his name as Alan Aragon and Lyle McDonald would love to rip his theories into pieces.
Lads drink your chocolate milk if it fits your macros and calorie needs, this guy above has no idea what he is talking about.
Milk contains whey protein and the carbs is sugar which is high GI and this would aid protein synthesis. The acid that this guy talks about is between 6.4 - 6.8 and not something to be concerned about unless your lactose intolerant.
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Les hager, Yeah i can picture lyle mcdonald drinking chocolate milk. Go to any authority in health and fitness and say "i am going to drink chcolate milk. After my workout" see what they say. It's just common sense.
PBJunkie, do you know how to add? , acidic milk, acidic chocolate, all the other acidic junk people eat. It add's up. Milk is mostly casein protein. Anyone who is educated in this field will tell you to stay away from processed foods. Choclate milk is highly processed. Since it fits your macros go stuff yourself with red meats, and twinkies and when you get cancer don't wonder why.0 -
Les hager, Yeah i can picture lyle mcdonald drinking chocolate milk. Go to any authority in health and fitness and say "i am going to drink chcolate milk. After my workout" see what they say. It's just common sense.
PBJunkie, do you know how to add? , acidic milk, acidic chocolate, all the other acidic junk people eat. It add's up. Milk is mostly casein protein. Anyone who is educated in this field will tell you to stay away from processed foods. Choclate milk is highly processed. Since it fits your macros go stuff yourself with red meats, and twinkies and when you get cancer don't wonder why.
Will regard all your advice from here on forward as total garbage.
Like I posted in the other thread, your stomach acid is at a ph level of 1 or 2....Please use common sense as you are making a fool out of yourself.
Good luck with you anti-acidic adventure, oh by the way stay clear from Vitamin C as well...VERY ACIDIC0 -
Les hager, Yeah i can picture lyle mcdonald drinking chocolate milk. Go to any authority in health and fitness and say "i am going to drink chcolate milk. After my workout" see what they say. It's just common sense.
PBJunkie, do you know how to add? , acidic milk, acidic chocolate, all the other acidic junk people eat. It add's up. Milk is mostly casein protein. Anyone who is educated in this field will tell you to stay away from processed foods. Choclate milk is highly processed. Since it fits your macros go stuff yourself with red meats, and twinkies and when you get cancer don't wonder why.
Will regard all your advice from here on forward as total garbage.
Like I posted in the other thread, your stomach acid is at a ph level of 1 or 2....Please use common sense as you are making a fool out of yourself.
Good luck with you anti-acidic adventure, oh by the way stay clear from Vitamin C as well...VERY ACIDIC
honestly, one of the first sentences in the link i am about to post sums it up pretty good "garbage in = garbage out" since you like bodybuilding.com
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/acid_alkaline_imbalance.htm0 -
Sounds like a load of rubbish to me. When it comes to sports nutrition, there are no super foods. You don't need extra protein, you do need extra calories (and since your requirement for protein is based on your calorie intake you should therefore end up having SOME more protein but not an excessive amount. If you eat enough calories, match it with exercise and maintain a balanced diet then you will be able to build muscle, reduce body fat and maintain a healthy body. But that's just my humble educated opinion as a qualified sports dietitian. Who am I to say that all these fancy, expensive protein shakes with heavy marketing programmes are not legit (or stories about the miracle food chocolate milk for that matter)?
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honestly, one of the first sentences in the link i am about to post sums it up pretty good "garbage in = garbage out" since you like bodybuilding.com
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/acid_alkaline_imbalance.htm
Ignorance is bliss my friend, enjoy your day...
Hopefully others will follow suit and do their research before taking you word for it.0 -
They just did a report on the news, that after much testing, the best drink after workout is non-alcoholic beer?
that was a joke, but its because of the high amount of B vitamins in beer0 -
honestly, one of the first sentences in the link i am about to post sums it up pretty good "garbage in = garbage out" since you like bodybuilding.com
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/acid_alkaline_imbalance.htm
Ignorance is bliss my friend, enjoy your day...
Hopefully others will follow suit and do their research before taking you worworkoutd for it.
bllood pH diet is backed by over 30years of fesearch of a microbiologist. Just so you know, not some guy on a forum saying "drink processed crap after your workout"0 -
1 glass of chocolate milk (surprisingly from whole milke) is EXTREMELY good for you after you work out.
Yep. You are right.
Sources: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16676705 and
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/an-objective-comparison-of-chocolate-milk-and-surge-recovery.html
if anyone is interested. The second article by Lyle McDonald is very thorough.
ETA: apologies, the article is by Alan Aragon but reproduced on Lyle's site.0 -
honestly, one of the first sentences in the link i am about to post sums it up pretty good "garbage in = garbage out" since you like bodybuilding.com
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/acid_alkaline_imbalance.htm
Ignorance is bliss my friend, enjoy your day...
Hopefully others will follow suit and do their research before taking you worworkoutd for it.
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bllood pH diet is backed by over 30years of fesearch of a microbiologist. Just so you know, not some guy on a forum saying "drink processed crap after your workout"
Well had no issues with my bloodwork so I will continue to enjoy my chocolate milk and whey protein.0 -
1 glass of chocolate milk (surprisingly from whole milke) is EXTREMELY good for you after you work out.
Yep. You are right.
Sources: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16676705 and
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/an-objective-comparison-of-chocolate-milk-and-surge-recovery.html
if anyone is interested. The second article by Lyle McDonald is very thorough.
ETA: apologies, the article is by Alan Aragon but reproduced on Lyle's site.
there are many illegal drugs out there that are "GREAT FOR YOU" because they help you cut up.0 -
1 glass of chocolate milk (surprisingly from whole milke) is EXTREMELY good for you after you work out.
Yep. You are right.
Sources: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16676705 and
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/an-objective-comparison-of-chocolate-milk-and-surge-recovery.html
if anyone is interested. The second article by Lyle McDonald is very thorough.
ETA: apologies, the article is by Alan Aragon but reproduced on Lyle's site.
there are many illegal drugs out there that are "GREAT FOR YOU" because they help you cut up.
Once again your post is irrelevant from the research presented. What drugs are you referring to??? Milk??0 -
Les hager, Yeah i can picture lyle mcdonald drinking chocolate milk. Go to any authority in health and fitness and say "i am going to drink chcolate milk. After my workout" see what they say. It's just common sense.
PBJunkie, do you know how to add? , acidic milk, acidic chocolate, all the other acidic junk people eat. It add's up. Milk is mostly casein protein. Anyone who is educated in this field will tell you to stay away from processed foods. Choclate milk is highly processed. Since it fits your macros go stuff yourself with red meats, and twinkies and when you get cancer don't wonder why.
Nonsense. Chocolate milk has a neutral pH. It is not acidic, at all. Pepsi is acidic. It's so acidic that they had to lobby Congress to change the requirements for "corrosive" HMIS warning labels, or they'd have to put one on every can.
You can get decent chocolate milk that isn't quite as processed, as well.
Also, milk is NOT mostly casein protein. By weight, milk is mostly carbs.
Your argument is interesting, but I kind of have to dismiss you completely, since you are getting some very basic facts completely wrong.0 -
you just misinterpreted, % of protien content casein is highest. % high macro nutrient ratio, yes it's carbs. Look up the pH of milk, it's acidic. Yes you're right, you can get decent chocolate milk. Goat milk is more basic, I dont know the pH of cocoa... so I won't comment on that.Les hager, Yeah i can picture lyle mcdonald drinking chocolate milk. Go to any authority in health and fitness and say "i am going to drink chcolate milk. After my workout" see what they say. It's just common sense.
PBJunkie, do you know how to add? , acidic milk, acidic chocolate, all the other acidic junk people eat. It add's up. Milk is mostly casein protein. Anyone who is educated in this field will tell you to stay away from processed foods. Choclate milk is highly processed. Since it fits your macros go stuff yourself with red meats, and twinkies and when you get cancer don't wonder why.
Nonsense. Chocolate milk has a neutral pH. It is not acidic, at all. Pepsi is acidic. It's so acidic that they had to lobby Congress to change the requirements for "corrosive" HMIS warning labels, or they'd have to put one on every can.
You can get decent chocolate milk that isn't quite as processed, as well.
Also, milk is NOT mostly casein protein. By weight, milk is mostly carbs.
Your argument is interesting, but I kind of have to dismiss you completely, since you are getting some very basic facts completely wrong.0 -
1 glass of chocolate milk (surprisingly from whole milke) is EXTREMELY good for you after you work out.
Yep. You are right.
Sources: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16676705 and
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/an-objective-comparison-of-chocolate-milk-and-surge-recovery.html
if anyone is interested. The second article by Lyle McDonald is very thorough.
ETA: apologies, the article is by Alan Aragon but reproduced on Lyle's site.
there are many illegal drugs out there that are "GREAT FOR YOU" because they help you cut up.
Once again your post is irrelevant from the research presented. What drugs are you referring to??? Milk??
No they're not irrelevent. As I stated in the other topic, "just because it works, doesn't mean it's health for us"0 -
you just misinterpreted, % of protien content casein is highest. % high macro nutrient ratio, yes it's carbs. Look up the pH of milk, it's acidic. Yes you're right, you can get decent chocolate milk. Goat milk is more basic, I dont know the pH of cocoa... so I won't comment on that.
I believe in psychology, they call that the "external attribution error." You said "Milk is mostly casein protein." What part of that did I misinterpret? I misinterpreted nothing. You failed to communicate effectively, and then claimed that the error was mine.
As for the pH of milk, I can take some in the lab if you like. I'm right here at a major pharmaceutical company after all. Most publications put it at 6.4 to 6.8 though, and that's closer to "neutral" than acidic.
Neutral pH is 7.0
Let's split the difference and put the pH of milk at 6.6
That means that milk is only like 5.7% more acidic than water...0 -
And now for some intelligent debate...
The research I've seen is from Joel Stager, and not surprisingly, is funded by the "Dairy and Nutrition Council." For those of you that don't know, that is an industry group...a dairy industry group.
I'm looking (briefly, I'll admit), and I cannot find a single instance of Stager's "research" being published in any peer-reviewed scientific or medical journals. When I read the details of the study, I noted that it only compared chocolate milk to other sports beverages, and not regular milk or even a placebo. I also noted that there were only 9 subjects in the study.
I find these details to be particularly troubling. However, low-fat chocolate milk has been a convenient and successful recovery drink for me. I can easily purchase 8oz individual cartons from Horizon organic. It's easy to toss in my gym bag, etc...
Now, I'd like to call to mind ANOTHER study that the dairy industry funded in the past. In "Obesity Research" Dr. Amy Joy Lanou, PhD published research claiming that consuming 24 oz of dairy daily aided weight loss. The dairy industry launched a multi-million dollar advertising campaign based on this.
Later, it was pointed out that the research was severely flawed, and that the dairy industry used misleading advertising. They were sued by MANY groups, including the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine. http://pcrm.info/search/?cid=1190
So next time you read about a hot new study, take some time and actually READ THE STUDY.0 -
you just misinterpreted, % of protien content casein is highest. % high macro nutrient ratio, yes it's carbs. Look up the pH of milk, it's acidic. Yes you're right, you can get decent chocolate milk. Goat milk is more basic, I dont know the pH of cocoa... so I won't comment on that.
I believe in psychology, they call that the "external attribution error." You said "Milk is mostly casein protein." What part of that did I misinterpret? I misinterpreted nothing. You failed to communicate effectively, and then claimed that the error was mine.
As for the pH of milk, I can take some in the lab if you like. I'm right here at a major pharmaceutical company after all. Most publications put it at 6.4 to 6.8 though, and that's closer to "neutral" than acidic.
Neutral pH is 7.0
Let's split the difference and put the pH of milk at 6.6
That means that milk only like 5.7% more acidic than water...
Okay i'll give you that on misinterpretation. Imagine if the blood was 5.7% more acidic? I think we would be dead. Of course that won't happen consuming milk. The point is that, even a small change in acidicty can have a huge impact diet wise.0 -
Okay i'll give you that on misinterpretation. Imagine if the blood was 5.7% more acidic? I think we would be dead. Of course that won't happen consuming milk. The point is that, even a small change in acidicty can have a huge impact diet wise.
Yes you are correct about the blood. Luckily, however, we aren't getting our chocolate milk intravenously. There is an ENTIRE SYSTEM in place that successfully digests the chocolate milk and parcels out the nutrients where they are most needed. It is safe and highly efficient. It's called the GI tract.
No, a small difference in pH can not have a significant effect diet wise.
Changes in blood pH are very dangerous because they can cause cell lysis and the denaturing of crucial blood proteins. That is completely unrelated to oral ingestion of food products. Acidic beverages pose no threat to the maintenance of blood pH. If anything, the only risk is canker sores, GI ulcers, and possible perforation - but you'd have to have underlying conditions or other risk factors to experience this. Or drink some VERY acidic substance, like 10N HCl
So while I don't recommend chocolate milk taken in the IV, subcutaneous, or intramuscular route...I think you'll be fine having it in moderate oral doses.0 -
Alkion so let me ask you.
What about chocolate milk is unhealthy? Please enlighten us.
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Okay i'll give you that on misinterpretation. Imagine if the blood was 5.7% more acidic? I think we would be dead. Of course that won't happen consuming milk. The point is that, even a small change in acidicty can have a huge impact diet wise.
Yes you are correct about the blood. Luckily, however, we aren't getting our chocolate milk intravenously. There is an ENTIRE SYSTEM in place that successfully digests the chocolate milk and parcels out the nutrients where they are most needed. It is safe and highly efficient. It's called the GI tract.
No, a small difference in pH can not have a significant effect diet wise.
Changes in blood pH are very dangerous because they can cause cell lysis and the denaturing of crucial blood proteins. That is completely unrelated to oral ingestion of food products. Acidic beverages pose no threat to the maintenance of blood pH. If anything, the only risk is canker sores, GI ulcers, and possible perforation - but you'd have to have underlying conditions or other risk factors to experience this. Or drink some VERY acidic substance, like 10N HCl
So while I don't recommend chocolate milk taken in the IV, subcutaneous, or intramuscular route...I think you'll be fine having it in moderate oral doses.
There is 2 posts on this subject, I am going back and forth. NOt sure if i already said this on this post. A way to test for acidosis is through a urine sample. Consuming alkalizing foods makes your urine more basic. SO of course acidic foods will make your urine more acidic (putting you greater at risk for acidosis). Not sure if it was to you or someone else, an alkalarine diet is 70-80% alkalaizing foods. 20-30% acidic foods. I'll agree with you on the moderation of chocolate milk.0 -
There is 2 posts on this subject, I am going back and forth. NOt sure if i already said this on this post. A way to test for acidosis is through a urine sample. Consuming alkalizing foods makes your urine more basic. SO of course acidic foods will make your urine more acidic (putting you greater at risk for acidosis). Not sure if it was to you or someone else, an alkalarine diet is 70-80% alkalaizing foods. 20-30% acidic foods. I'll agree with you on the moderation of chocolate milk.
Symptomatic alkalosis and acidosis are incredibly rare metabolic issues for otherwise healthy people. And you don't get them by drinking chocolate milk.
I really hate this kind of arcane medical fad / fearmongering nonsense...0 -
I have a friend who is like 250 at 5% bodyfat year round. He would literally laugh at this chocolate milk comment.
Haha...considering the all-time best Jay Cutler had at COMPETITI"ON weight and bf% was 260 at 4-5%, your "friend" must be running for the Mr. Olympian...right?
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Cow milk has a pH range from 6.4-6.8, not very acidic in comparison to many fruits and vegetables that can have pH as low as 4.5.
While studies do say that acidosis is a detrimental state to be in, nowhere have I found nor has alkion presented an article that proves that consuming acidic foods is the CAUSE of ACIDOSIS. Instead most peered reviewed articles I've read state that acidosis is the result of one or a combination of several factors. Such as renal or hepatic failure, malabsorption of certain minerals, and so on.
Learn a thing or two about how the body buffers both acidic and alkali foods. A state of acidosis or alkalosis is a symptom of another issue, usually a process that is not performing like it should.0 -
Alkion, did you get suckered into buying a alkalized water machine?0
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Alkion, did you get suckered into buying a alkalized water machine?
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There is 2 posts on this subject, I am going back and forth. NOt sure if i already said this on this post. A way to test for acidosis is through a urine sample. Consuming alkalizing foods makes your urine more basic. SO of course acidic foods will make your urine more acidic (putting you greater at risk for acidosis). Not sure if it was to you or someone else, an alkalarine diet is 70-80% alkalaizing foods. 20-30% acidic foods. I'll agree with you on the moderation of chocolate milk.
Symptomatic alkalosis and acidosis are incredibly rare metabolic issues for otherwise healthy people. And you don't get them by drinking chocolate milk.
I really hate this kind of arcane medical fad / fearmongering nonsense...
You're right you don't get it by drinking chocolate milk. You get it by drinking chocolate milk, that nice piece of chicken, or fish, maybe some fruit, or some whole grains, etc... there are TONS of foods that are acidic. It's all of them put together that create an acidic state.
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While studies do say that acidosis is a detrimental state to be in, nowhere have I found nor has alkion presented an article that proves that consuming acidic foods is the CAUSE of ACIDOSIS. Instead most peered reviewed articles I've read state that acidosis is the result of one or a combination of several factors. Such as renal or hepatic failure, malabsorption of certain minerals, and so on.
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HOw is acidosis tested, by blood or urine samples. Acidic food produce acidic urine. I know you probably saw this picture on the other topic, so not posting it for you, posting it for everone else.
I got someone to test their saliva and urine, left side is mine, right side is theirs. top row is saliva bottom row is urine. I follow an alkalarine diet, they don't... tell me which one is more acidic, blue is alkaline, yellow is acidic, and tell me who is closer to a state of acidosis?? oh and guess what? This person eats a TON OF FRUIT, constantly eating fruits and nuts, you know the stuff we're told is "HEALTHY".
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