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caroln3
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What happens if I am WAY over my protein?
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It's probably a good thing... means that you are eating healthy foods that will keep you full for longer!!!
Unfortunately, I often have the opposite problem! ;( haha0 -
nothing.... its actualy a good thing. MFP default settings for protein are too low.
Go to My Home > Goals > Change Goals > Custom -- and you can fix your goals however you want them.
I changed mine to 45% protein, 25% carb, 30% fat -- do what works for you.0 -
according to ur diary you are not over. the protein intake for MFP default is low. you should consume 1 g for ever pound you are .. or something like that.. you are fine0
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PS If you're way over because you're eat tons of red meat and fatty mean -- then it can be a problem.
If its from lean mean, fish, greek yogurt, quinoa etc.... that's what you want.0 -
Yeah, MFP default is way under what most people need. I changed mine to 35% protein, which is the max most should ever eat.0
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Yeah, MFP default is way under what most people need. I changed mine to 35% protein, which is the max most should ever eat.
Oh really? Why is that?0 -
Yeah, MFP default is way under what most people need. I changed mine to 35% protein, which is the max most should ever eat.
Oh really? Why is that?
Yeah i'm not a fan of blanket statements like this either. 35% is obviously relative to how many calories you're taking in. A 215lbs person on a 1200 calorie diet for instance should be taking in far more protein (especially if they're doing any weight training) than the 105g of protein that would make up that 35%.0 -
actually no, if your a 215lbs person on a 1200 calorie diet than that means your desired lean mass is very low. so 105 grams would be more than enough. I should clarify that the number of calories you eat should also be based on how much lean mass you want to have. 1-1.8 grams of protein for every pound of lean mass is what should be consumed. If your a woman who desires a lean light frame body, then 1200-1500 calories is your goal, including around 105 grams of protein.0
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actually no, if your a 215lbs person on a 1200 calorie diet than that means your desired lean mass is very low. so 105 grams would be more than enough. I should clarify that the number of calories you eat should also be based on how much lean mass you want to have. 1-1.8 grams of protein for every pound of lean mass is what should be consumed. If your a woman who desires a lean light frame body, then 1200-1500 calories is your goal, including around 105 grams of protein.
Your quote is still false. "The max most people should eat" is a pretty hefty statement. Most people have healthy kidneys and a healthy liver and can consume more protein than that while staying very healthy. The added protein can also help feelings of hunger. Filling in all those extra calories with carbs and fat are not needed (minus the standard need for essential fatty acids) so there is nothing wrong with extra protein.0 -
actually no, if your a 215lbs person on a 1200 calorie diet than that means your desired lean mass is very low. so 105 grams would be more than enough. I should clarify that the number of calories you eat should also be based on how much lean mass you want to have. 1-1.8 grams of protein for every pound of lean mass is what should be consumed. If your a woman who desires a lean light frame body, then 1200-1500 calories is your goal, including around 105 grams of protein.
Your quote is still false. "The max most people should eat" is a pretty hefty statement. Most people have healthy kidneys and a healthy liver and can consume more protein than that while staying very healthy. The added protein can also help feelings of hunger. Filling in all those extra calories with carbs and fat are not needed (minus the standard need for essential fatty acids) so there is nothing wrong with extra protein.
+2 for consistently trying to debunk broscience0 -
actually no, if your a 215lbs person on a 1200 calorie diet than that means your desired lean mass is very low. so 105 grams would be more than enough. I should clarify that the number of calories you eat should also be based on how much lean mass you want to have. 1-1.8 grams of protein for every pound of lean mass is what should be consumed. If your a woman who desires a lean light frame body, then 1200-1500 calories is your goal, including around 105 grams of protein.
Your quote is still false. "The max most people should eat" is a pretty hefty statement. Most people have healthy kidneys and a healthy liver and can consume more protein than that while staying very healthy. The added protein can also help feelings of hunger. Filling in all those extra calories with carbs and fat are not needed (minus the standard need for essential fatty acids) so there is nothing wrong with extra protein.
+2 for consistently trying to debunk broscience
+2 from me too.
Did anybody notice the comment about the 215 lbs person on a 1,200 calorie diet? I think I would keel over and die on 1200 calories, doubt I could even function let alone lift or run.0 -
35% in ratio to you total calories, you don't pick your calories first then take 35% of that. You need to say something like, I want to be 180 lbs of lean mass. So then you need 180-324 grams of protein to sustain that. This means (at 4 calories per gram of protein) you should consume 720-1296 calories of protein. This means your total caloric intake should be 2057-3702. Granted, you'd need to do some serious lifting to utilize that. But the science and math are there to back my claims. If you think eating more protein than that ratio is of benefit, you are seriously over estimating the ability of your organs.0
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35% in ratio to you total calories, you don't pick your calories first then take 35% of that. You need to say something like, I want to be 180 lbs of lean mass. So then you need 180-324 grams of protein to sustain that. This means (at 4 calories per gram of protein) you should consume 720-1296 calories of protein. This means your total caloric intake should be 2057-3702. Granted, you'd need to do some serious lifting to utilize that. But the science and math are there to back my claims. If you think eating more protein than that ratio is of benefit, you are seriously over estimating the ability of your organs.
don't use ratios since they don't work, use minimums for protein and fats and try and hit those. no maximums for any macro, just minimums and stay with in your caloric goals0 -
I gave you a minimum and a maximum, this is known as a range the human body has been observed to respond well to. That ratio is what clinical trials show is safe and effective. If you go over 35% you will not have the energy necessary to put that protein to use in building muscle. You can do it, but it is not optimal. This 35% ratio works the best for humans no matter what weight you want to be. That's what clinical trials say, that's what the biology behind it says, and I'm sticking to it.0
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Wow! Hijacked post.
To the OP. I looked at your diary. There is nothing there to freak out about. You could hit similar ratios most days and be peachy keen. Enjoy the chicken and so forth.
Move along citizens. Nothing to see here.0 -
35% in ratio to you total calories, you don't pick your calories first then take 35% of that. You need to say something like, I want to be 180 lbs of lean mass. So then you need 180-324 grams of protein to sustain that. This means (at 4 calories per gram of protein) you should consume 720-1296 calories of protein. This means your total caloric intake should be 2057-3702. Granted, you'd need to do some serious lifting to utilize that. But the science and math are there to back my claims. If you think eating more protein than that ratio is of benefit, you are seriously over estimating the ability of your organs.
You're missing the entire point of the debate here.
If you aren't eating the rest of your calories in protein then you're going to be eating them in fat or carbohydrates. Minimum fat is obviously necessary and a solid amount of carbohydrates that are rich in vitamins are minerals are also good. When calories are left over and you still need to fit your macro-nutrient goals, using protein is going to be just as beneficial as eating carbs or fat. In fact, and science backs this up, you'll end up feeling full more often and for longer, especially if you combine protein intake with fiber filled foods.
This idea that your organs can't handle the extra protein is a load of crap. Unless you have blood work that specifically shows your organs not handling the increased protein intake then you're fine. Thanks for speaking on behalf of my organs though. I'm sure you know me, as well as the thousands upon thousands of other people who eat a protein rich diet better than we know ourselves. Never mind all that pesky blood work many of us have done either.0 -
I gave you a minimum and a maximum, this is known as a range the human body has been observed to respond well to. That ratio is what clinical trials show is safe and effective. If you go over 35% you will not have the energy necessary to put that protein to use in building muscle. You can do it, but it is not optimal. This 35% ratio works the best for humans no matter what weight you want to be. That's what clinical trials say, that's what the biology behind it says, and I'm sticking to it.
Awaiting articles linked in this thread from you showing that eating increased protein (above 35%) is dangerous for your organs in people who don't already have compromised organs.
Also awaiting articles that show eating increased fat/carbohydrates is a better option that eating increased protein to make up your calorie consumption.
Also, wtf are you talking about with energy necessary to put protein to building muscle? Crazy concept of the day: Protein doesn't necessarily have to go towards building muscle. It can go towards glycogen stores as well. It can also go towards fat stores if you eat too much. Finally, eating protein stimulates your mTOR pathway which signals protein synthesis and ribosomal activity.0 -
I just got a chance to check out what anyone had to say about this, and I didn't realize it would cause such a debate.
I appreciate all the information although I am still kinda lost. I ended up eating more protein and I did feel fuller but I was having alot of cravings for sweets, I wonder if that has anything to do with it.0 -
I just got a chance to check out what anyone had to say about this, and I didn't realize it would cause such a debate.
I appreciate all the information although I am still kinda lost. I ended up eating more protein and I did feel fuller but I was having alot of cravings for sweets, I wonder if that has anything to do with it.
There is no real debate.
Most of us fully support balanced and healthy diets. It's when people make blanket statements (which MFP seems to be famous for) without using sources when a lot of us step in and "debate" the claims.0 -
You are right, everyone is different and the more we know the better choices we can make about our health and I appreciate you guys explaining it to me.I just got a chance to check out what anyone had to say about this, and I didn't realize it would cause such a debate.
I appreciate all the information although I am still kinda lost. I ended up eating more protein and I did feel fuller but I was having alot of cravings for sweets, I wonder if that has anything to do with it.
There is no real debate.
Most of us fully support balanced and healthy diets. It's when people make blanket statements (which MFP seems to be famous for) without using sources when a lot of us step in and "debate" the claims.0 -
I had mine adjusted to 40% carbs, 30% fat, 30% protein. I'm medium-framed, muscular, athletic body & with a moderate metabolism so definitely I need a balanced calorie intake for my body type.0
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I had mine adjusted to 40% carbs, 30% fat, 30% protein. I'm medium-framed, muscular, athletic body & with a moderate metabolism so definitely I need a balanced calorie intake for my body type.
how can I know what my percentages need to be?0 -
There is a lot to this, but in order to believe that one should set their daily intake of protein to 35% you would need to understand much more about the human body than I can fit into one post. Attempting to stay on the topic and explain why this is would derail this into something much more than what was asked.
I don't think eating more than 35% is harmful to most people, unless your body isn't functioning correctly, but I have never seen eating more than that be beneficial to anyone. So to go back to what I said originally, Most people do not need to eat more than 35% of their calories as protein, and there is nothing false about that statement. I don't know why body builders always jump on issues about protein. All that was asked is if she was eating too much protein, statistically speaking all people who consume 35% of their calories as protein are not consuming too much, where as more than that may cause problems for some who are prone to those kinds of problems. Therefore she is not consuming to much, and if anything should be consuming more than MFP tells her to.0 -
No one jumped on anyone, however the blanket statement that 35% is the max that people should eat is just that a blanket statement. Going back to my example of a 215 pound person on a 1200 calorie diet (which was basically me where I started with some exaggeration), the 35% rule you cite would put their daily protein goal at 105g. Howevever, by countless studies that I've read (not articles, studies) the human body can easily synthesize up to 1.4g per kg of body weight (that's total body weight, not lean mass). By that calculation their goal is 136.5g.
The fact is protein and strength training is what builds muscle or minimizes muscle loss during periods of caloric deficit. Maximizing protein is a part of many body builders' weight loss plans because obviously they don't want to lose any more mass than necessary. So eating up to that 1.4g/kg goal is common. Some go way beyond to as much as 2.0g/kg or I've even heard of 2g/lb or more. The research I've done suggests this is not harmful but is pointless because you're body can't synthesize that much protein.
And I can show you many people in the 215 pound range on 1200 calorie diets whose desire is to keep as much lean mass as possible.0 -
I think what you are proposing is unhealthy. The human body is an organic machine, it will fail attempting to do what you are saying can be done. It may take 25 years to prove it to you, but I have a long history of physics, chemistry and biology behind me that says your wrong. Feel free to do to yourself what you want, but don't advocate something to others unless you can prove that its safe. I can prove that what I claim is safe for any person who wants to be healthy. I can show you many flaws with what you think is healthy. But I suppose it is up to you on what you want from your life.
"In terms of metabolic combustion, excess protein in the diet does not “burn cleanly.” It has been associated with creating an over-acid system due to the accumulation of toxic wastes such as uric acids and purines in the tissues. The late nutrition expert, Paavo Airola, Ph.D., pointed out that overeating protein “contributes to the development of many of our most common and serious diseases, such as arthritis, kidney damage, pyorrhea, schizophrenia, osteoporosis, atherosclerosis, heart disease, and cancer: and that a “high protein diet causes premature aging and lowers life expectancy.” - Gabriel Cousens, M.D.0 -
There is a lot to this, but in order to believe that one should set their daily intake of protein to 35% you would need to understand much more about the human body than I can fit into one post. Attempting to stay on the topic and explain why this is would derail this into something much more than what was asked.
I don't think eating more than 35% is harmful to most people, unless your body isn't functioning correctly, but I have never seen eating more than that be beneficial to anyone. So to go back to what I said originally, Most people do not need to eat more than 35% of their calories as protein, and there is nothing false about that statement. I don't know why body builders always jump on issues about protein. All that was asked is if she was eating too much protein, statistically speaking all people who consume 35% of their calories as protein are not consuming too much, where as more than that may cause problems for some who are prone to those kinds of problems. Therefore she is not consuming to much, and if anything should be consuming more than MFP tells her to.
I love it.
1) Make a blanket statement that is false
2) Get called out (numerous others including me)
3) Say that we're basically too stupid to understand the human body with ZERO knowledge about what any of our areas of study are
4) Use semantics to adjust what you said in order to justify to yourself why you're right
It's time to stop posting.0 -
I think what you are proposing is unhealthy. The human body is an organic machine, it will fail attempting to do what you are saying can be done. It may take 25 years to prove it to you, but I have a long history of physics, chemistry and biology behind me that says your wrong. Feel free to do to yourself what you want, but don't advocate something to others unless you can prove that its safe. I can prove that what I claim is safe for any person who wants to be healthy. I can show you many flaws with what you think is healthy. But I suppose it is up to you on what you want from your life.
"In terms of metabolic combustion, excess protein in the diet does not “burn cleanly.” It has been associated with creating an over-acid system due to the accumulation of toxic wastes such as uric acids and purines in the tissues. The late nutrition expert, Paavo Airola, Ph.D., pointed out that overeating protein “contributes to the development of many of our most common and serious diseases, such as arthritis, kidney damage, pyorrhea, schizophrenia, osteoporosis, atherosclerosis, heart disease, and cancer: and that a “high protein diet causes premature aging and lowers life expectancy.” - Gabriel Cousens, M.D.
No one cares what you think is unhealthy. What matters is what is actually healthy or unhealthy. Great logic by the way. It may take 25 years to prove it? In other words, I have no idea what I'm talking about but I'll use fear tactics and statements that cannot be tested or verified to prove that I'm right.
What does physics have to do with any of this? Since we're appealing to authority here though, I have a degree in exercise physiology. <gasp> Does that make me automatically right?
Also, it's "you're" and not "your" for future reference.
As I've asked already, and I'll ask again, please post studies that show eating higher than 35% of your daily calorie intake from protein being unhealthy in individuals who don't have unhealthy organs to begin with. I'm still waiting. You're still claiming that I'm advocating unhealthy choices but I haven't seen you post anything.
Great quote from some random MD by the way without ANY, let me repeat that, ANY ANY ANY ANY ANY ANY ANY evidence to back it up. I'll do the same:
Eating asparagus causes premature death in 42% of people under the age of 72 who happened to drink a glass of reduced sugar lemonade in the same day.
^----This is fun! You try!0 -
Let me be clear, seeing as you seem to have no ability to interpret what I am saying.And I can show you many people in the 215 pound range on 1200 calorie diets whose desire is to keep as much lean mass as possible.
This is what I was referring to, your extremest ideal. You wanna eat 1200 calories as a body builder with 300 grams of protein? cause 300 grams of protein is 1200 calories. Yes, you are an idiot if you think that's healthy. The only people who have called me out are using your proposed broscience. Way to be a typical body builder with no use for real biology.
I already quoted an MD here is another source if you still feel I'm wrong.
http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=509000 -
I think what you are proposing is unhealthy. The human body is an organic machine, it will fail attempting to do what you are saying can be done. It may take 25 years to prove it to you, but I have a long history of physics, chemistry and biology behind me that says your wrong. Feel free to do to yourself what you want, but don't advocate something to others unless you can prove that its safe. I can prove that what I claim is safe for any person who wants to be healthy. I can show you many flaws with what you think is healthy. But I suppose it is up to you on what you want from your life.
"In terms of metabolic combustion, excess protein in the diet does not “burn cleanly.” It has been associated with creating an over-acid system due to the accumulation of toxic wastes such as uric acids and purines in the tissues. The late nutrition expert, Paavo Airola, Ph.D., pointed out that overeating protein “contributes to the development of many of our most common and serious diseases, such as arthritis, kidney damage, pyorrhea, schizophrenia, osteoporosis, atherosclerosis, heart disease, and cancer: and that a “high protein diet causes premature aging and lowers life expectancy.” - Gabriel Cousens, M.D.
why quote a doc that is clearly biased in such a subject as he promotes a vegan lifestyle
from his website
"Eggs are a poor choice for regular consumption. The risks associated with egg consumption outweigh their benefits of being a high quality protein. For optimum health and spiritual development I recommend an organic, low-glycemic, mineral-rich, well hydrated, plant-source-only, live-food diet. "
why would he recommend a low GI diet when GI index has little real world relevance as it is formed by feeding isocaloric amounts on fasted subjects, seeing as most people eat mixed meals how is it relevant to the real world?0 -
fine, here is one more http://www.lewrockwell.com/sisson/sisson45.1.html
and another for good measure http://www.marksdailyapple.com/dietary-protein/
You cant just eat a diet of mostly protein, you will fail
and how can you think that all 3 sciences dont play a part in understanding the human body
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_physics_have_to_do_with_biology0
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