protein

RangerSteve

Let me be clear, seeing as you seem to have no ability to interpret what I am saying.

And I can show you many people in the 215 pound range on 1200 calorie diets whose desire is to keep as much lean mass as possible.

This is what I was referring to, your extremest ideal. You wanna eat 1200 calories as a body builder with 300 grams of protein? cause 300 grams of protein is 1200 calories. Yes, you are an idiot if you think that's healthy. The only people who have called me out are using your proposed broscience. Way to be a typical body builder with no use for real biology.

I already quoted an MD here is another source if you still feel I'm wrong.

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=50900

First of all, you're not quoting me with your quote up there. Please learn how to use the internet before posting again.

Second, I'm not advocating any broscience. I'm glad you're throwing that term around considering you're the one using blanket statements. This is the problem I have with MFP. Arrogant people using crappy logical fallacies and then trying to say anyone who questions it is using broscience or putting others in danger.

Third, I'm not advocating a 1200 calorie diet plan. Once again, learn to use the internet.

Fourth, that link is HORRIBLE. Let's get this straight:

-Consuming protein is dangerous because it::

a) won't build more muscle
b) can turn into fat if you eat too much
c) produces ketones which your kidneys filter out
d) can dehydrate you

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Wow. So you're telling me that eating too much protein won't make me jacked in the gym? Who would have thought!? Are you also telling me that I'll get fat if I eat too much? NO WAY! Too much protein intake can produce ketones? <GASP> You mean like people who don't eat a lot of carbohydrates and get more calories from dietary fat and who have ZERO, let me repeat again, ZERO issues with their kidneys dealing with it? Finally, it can dehydrate me because my kidneys have to filter? Oh no! Let's not make the kidneys filter, after all....that's their damn job. Drinking an extra glass of water during the day sure is a lot of work!

Once again, ZERO EVIDENCE, I'll repeat again because you have trouble reading, ZERO EVIDENCE showing that a protein diet above 35% of calories causes any danger to people with otherwise healthy organs.

I'm blown away by this forum sometimes. Absolute CRAP gets posted on here and taken as religious truth and then you have the arrogance to tell me I'm proposing dangerous dietary advice to people by saying you should back up your statements.

STOP
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RangerSteve

fine, here is one more http://www.lewrockwell.com/sisson/sisson45.1.html

and another for good measure http://www.marksdailyapple.com/dietary-protein/

You cant just eat a diet of mostly protein, you will fail

and how can you think that all 3 sciences dont play a part in understanding the human body
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_physics_have_to_do_with_biology

Dude.....

FROM YOUR ARTICLES:

Simply put, healthy kidneys can handle plenty of protein; heck, they are meant to handle protein. One of their primary functions is to process the metabolic waste that results from protein metabolism. Yeah, protein "works" the kidneys, but that's what they're there for! Strength training works the muscles. You might even say it strains them. But is that a problem? Compromised kidneys in patients with renal disease (either full-blown or still in development) may not be able to handle as much protein as healthy kidneys, but even that's up in the air – and protein is not the cause of the problem.

and

I, myself, try to get at least 1 gram per pound of body weight per day (165). I can survive on less, but I’m all about maintaining my lean mass. You can only do that with protein, and I don’t believe the current RDA allows for that, especially in active individuals.

I am done responding to you. You obviously have some sort of issue that you need to work on in your life and you can't even seem to back up the things you say on here without contradicting yourself. Have fun posting more crap, I'm outta here.

digitalsteel

Good, I'm glad your done responding to me, you took a simple statement meant to help the op gauge what would be beneficial for her and blew it up into your own typical body builder take on protein. Its as if we where openly mocking your **** or something. get a grip and learn how to interpret all the data.

Lift_hard_eat_big

fine, here is one more http://www.lewrockwell.com/sisson/sisson45.1.html

and another for good measure http://www.marksdailyapple.com/dietary-protein/

You cant just eat a diet of mostly protein, you will fail

and how can you think that all 3 sciences dont play a part in understanding the human body
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_physics_have_to_do_with_biology

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0026049594900051

This study compared two diets at a caloric deficit. One consisted of 45% protein intake the other 20% protein intake, guess what, the 45% protein diet retained more lean body mass and increased insulin sensativity. How is that a "fail"?

digitalsteel

fine, here is one more http://www.lewrockwell.com/sisson/sisson45.1.html

and another for good measure http://www.marksdailyapple.com/dietary-protein/

You cant just eat a diet of mostly protein, you will fail

and how can you think that all 3 sciences dont play a part in understanding the human body
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_physics_have_to_do_with_biology

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0026049594900051

This study compared two diets at a caloric deficit. One consisted of 45% protein intake the other 20% protein intake, guess what, the 45% protein diet retained more lean body mass and increased insulin sensativity. How is that a "fail"?

I don't think it is. That's a good bit of information that I had not seen before. However, I think a 1200 calorie diet made mostly of protein would be an unhealthy recommendation to the OP, or to most people, or especially to someone as active as a body builder. Primarily because the stress on your body consuming extra protein is unnecessary and that studies don't show long term affects of that stress. On top of that, some people may not know they have a problem until they aggravate it, so I think its safe to recommend 35% without the risk of hurting anyone, regardless of who it is. I intended fail on one specific argument only. I don't know why but every time I mention limiting your protein in favor of fats body builders go nuts on it. Not everyone is a body builder, and in my eyes its an unnecessary risk for the average person. That's why I said most, not no one should ever consume more than that. I certainly didn't intend for them to spiral it so far off from the original topic.

Lift_hard_eat_big

fine, here is one more http://www.lewrockwell.com/sisson/sisson45.1.html

and another for good measure http://www.marksdailyapple.com/dietary-protein/

You cant just eat a diet of mostly protein, you will fail

and how can you think that all 3 sciences dont play a part in understanding the human body
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_physics_have_to_do_with_biology

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0026049594900051

This study compared two diets at a caloric deficit. One consisted of 45% protein intake the other 20% protein intake, guess what, the 45% protein diet retained more lean body mass and increased insulin sensativity. How is that a "fail"?

I don't think it is. That's a good bit of information that I had not seen before. However, I think a 1200 calorie diet made mostly of protein would be an unhealthy recommendation to the OP, or to most people, or especially to someone as active as a body builder. Primarily because the stress on your body consuming extra protein is unnecessary and that studies don't show long term affects of that stress. On top of that, some people may not know they have a problem until they aggravate it, so I think its safe to recommend 35% without the risk of hurting anyone, regardless of who it is. I intended fail on one specific argument only. I don't know why but every time I mention limiting your protein in favor of fats body builders go nuts on it. Not everyone is a body builder, and in my eyes its an unnecessary risk for the average person. That's why I said most, not no one should ever consume more than that. I certainly didn't intend for them to spiral it so far off from the original topic.

I understand your point, In my opinon, I also like to err on the side of caustion. 40% protein is my limit cause I've done multiple blood work so I know my renal and hepatic functions can handle it, but I see your point in suggesting a 35% protein limit to the majority of others who aren't body building fanatics.

alyssamiller77

Let me be clear, seeing as you seem to have no ability to interpret what I am saying.

And I can show you many people in the 215 pound range on 1200 calorie diets whose desire is to keep as much lean mass as possible.

This is what I was referring to, your extremest ideal. You wanna eat 1200 calories as a body builder with 300 grams of protein? cause 300 grams of protein is 1200 calories. Yes, you are an idiot if you think that's healthy. The only people who have called me out are using your proposed broscience. Way to be a typical body builder with no use for real biology.

I already quoted an MD here is another source if you still feel I'm wrong.

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=50900

I like that you took that quote and then inserted a lie with it instead of quoting the actual part of the post where I included specific numbers. I seem to recal stating my suggestion was 135g of protein on that diet. I also said that there are people who eat up to as much as 2.0g/lb of body weight and said that while that is useless (because the body won't synthesize it all) that I didn't think it was unhealthy. NOWHERE in my post did I connect that second statement with the description of someone on a 1200cal diet. Or to simplifiy it for you, I never passed judgement one way or the other on someone who would attempt to eat 300g of protein on a 1200 cal diet (I'm not even sure you could physically do that).

Reading is fundamental.

alyssamiller77

fine, here is one more http://www.lewrockwell.com/sisson/sisson45.1.html

and another for good measure http://www.marksdailyapple.com/dietary-protein/

You cant just eat a diet of mostly protein, you will fail

and how can you think that all 3 sciences dont play a part in understanding the human body
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_physics_have_to_do_with_biology

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0026049594900051

This study compared two diets at a caloric deficit. One consisted of 45% protein intake the other 20% protein intake, guess what, the 45% protein diet retained more lean body mass and increased insulin sensativity. How is that a "fail"?

I don't think it is. That's a good bit of information that I had not seen before. However, I think a 1200 calorie diet made mostly of protein would be an unhealthy recommendation to the OP, or to most people, or especially to someone as active as a body builder. Primarily because the stress on your body consuming extra protein is unnecessary and that studies don't show long term affects of that stress. On top of that, some people may not know they have a problem until they aggravate it, so I think its safe to recommend 35% without the risk of hurting anyone, regardless of who it is. I intended fail on one specific argument only. I don't know why but every time I mention limiting your protein in favor of fats body builders go nuts on it. Not everyone is a body builder, and in my eyes its an unnecessary risk for the average person. That's why I said most, not no one should ever consume more than that. I certainly didn't intend for them to spiral it so far off from the original topic.

Seriously dude, where did you learn how to read? I never made any suggestion to the OP about what her specific protein intake should be. My statement that you keep cutting up and pasting back together to fit the argument you want to have was that your blanket statement of "35% protein, which is the max most should ever eat" is not true in "most" cases and is simply a blanket statement you can't defend. I then posted a specific example, coming from my own life, of a person who would have a higher than 35% protein intake goal.