Are you hitting a plateau???

adross3

First question you should alsways ask when dieting is.....What is my try BMR. Basal Metabolic Rate This is the amount of calories you burn sitting on your behind in a 24 hr period. Then how active are you. My calculation algorithim is always off. The calculation gives me a 1600 BMR. My true BMR is 2100. This is because of my muscle mass. Finding your true BMR allows you to judge more accurately. I was loosing 2lbs per week not knowing why. I then payed and checked my BMR or BIA and found out. Best money I spent. Muscle mass is key to the amounts of cals you burn. Exercise is key to weight loss. Eating is key to weight loss.

Fat is approx 3,500 cals per 1lb. The energy you eat as food is stored as fat or stored energy. Don't eat 3,500 cals and you loose 1lb of fat. Eat 3,500 cals and you gain 1lb of fat. That simple. If you want to loose 1lb of fat a week then spread it out at minus 500 cals per day. You will lose 1lb of fat a week. Knock of 1,000 cals a day and you will loose 2lbs per week.

Eating your exercise cals does two things. It supplies your muscles and brain with the proper nutrition it needs to grow and burn fat. Starving yourself in certain points of the day makes your body preserve its fat stores and you get sluggish. Knowing how many cals you burn in a day and what time of the day you go past your BMR's cal burn will enable you to eat to fuel up thru the day. Break your day down into sections before you eat 6X a day. Breakfast, Snack, Lunch, Snack, Dinner and Snack. This keeps the body burning and never in starvation mode. How active are you between each section. Eat according to the amount of physical movement before each section. Otherwise, eat to fuel each section.

You will go thru a plateau. Your eating habits has a predermined amount of weight loss. Your metabulism will increase thru exercise. Cleaning up your eating habits at this plateau will trigger more fat loss. Your physical body will be changing when exerciseing. Your weight will seem to have stopped, but your bones amd muscles will increase in mass. This will add weight to your structure. Don't worry, it's what you want. At this time you will need to clean up your eating. "CLEAN EATING". The fat will fall off you and your physical structure will increase. You will look better and feel empowered.

Invest in your future. Invest in yourself.

juliesummers

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alkion

First question you should alsways ask when dieting is.....What is my try BMR. Basal Metabolic Rate This is the amount of calories you burn sitting on your behind in a 24 hr period. Then how active are you. My calculation algorithim is always off. The calculation gives me a 1600 BMR. My true BMR is 2100. This is because of my muscle mass. Finding your true BMR allows you to judge more accurately. I was loosing 2lbs per week not knowing why. I then payed and checked my BMR or BIA and found out. Best money I spent. Muscle mass is key to the amounts of cals you burn. Exercise is key to weight loss. Eating is key to weight loss.

Fat is approx 3,500 cals per 1lb. The energy you eat as food is stored as fat or stored energy. Don't eat 3,500 cals and you loose 1lb of fat. Eat 3,500 cals and you gain 1lb of fat. That simple. If you want to loose 1lb of fat a week then spread it out at minus 500 cals per day. You will lose 1lb of fat a week. Knock of 1,000 cals a day and you will loose 2lbs per week.

Eating your exercise cals does two things. It supplies your muscles and brain with the proper nutrition it needs to grow and burn fat. Starving yourself in certain points of the day makes your body preserve its fat stores and you get sluggish. Knowing how many cals you burn in a day and what time of the day you go past your BMR's cal burn will enable you to eat to fuel up thru the day. Break your day down into sections before you eat 6X a day. Breakfast, Snack, Lunch, Snack, Dinner and Snack. This keeps the body burning and never in starvation mode. How active are you between each section. Eat according to the amount of physical movement before each section. Otherwise, eat to fuel each section.

You will go thru a plateau. Your eating habits has a predermined amount of weight loss. Your metabulism will increase thru exercise. Cleaning up your eating habits at this plateau will trigger more fat loss. Your physical body will be changing when exerciseing. Your weight will seem to have stopped, but your bones amd muscles will increase in mass. This will add weight to your structure. Don't worry, it's what you want. At this time you will need to clean up your eating. "CLEAN EATING". The fat will fall off you and your physical structure will increase. You will look better and feel empowered.

Invest in your future. Invest in yourself.

Digesting food takes energy. If you're not digesting food during the day, where does the energy go? TO YOU. 2nd, when your a bit hungry it releases growth hormone and adrenaline, adrenaline keeps you energized through the day and burns with with the GH release. WHen you eat you slow down the production of these biochemicals. Eating triggers the parasympethatic nervous system making you groggy and tired, when you eat a huge meal, doy ou feel energized and ready? NO, you feel tired, and groggy. It's because of this, your body slows down, when you eat. Eating doesn't "energize you."

adross3

First question you should alsways ask when dieting is.....What is my try BMR. Basal Metabolic Rate This is the amount of calories you burn sitting on your behind in a 24 hr period. Then how active are you. My calculation algorithim is always off. The calculation gives me a 1600 BMR. My true BMR is 2100. This is because of my muscle mass. Finding your true BMR allows you to judge more accurately. I was loosing 2lbs per week not knowing why. I then payed and checked my BMR or BIA and found out. Best money I spent. Muscle mass is key to the amounts of cals you burn. Exercise is key to weight loss. Eating is key to weight loss.

Fat is approx 3,500 cals per 1lb. The energy you eat as food is stored as fat or stored energy. Don't eat 3,500 cals and you loose 1lb of fat. Eat 3,500 cals and you gain 1lb of fat. That simple. If you want to loose 1lb of fat a week then spread it out at minus 500 cals per day. You will lose 1lb of fat a week. Knock of 1,000 cals a day and you will loose 2lbs per week.

Eating your exercise cals does two things. It supplies your muscles and brain with the proper nutrition it needs to grow and burn fat. Starving yourself in certain points of the day makes your body preserve its fat stores and you get sluggish. Knowing how many cals you burn in a day and what time of the day you go past your BMR's cal burn will enable you to eat to fuel up thru the day. Break your day down into sections before you eat 6X a day. Breakfast, Snack, Lunch, Snack, Dinner and Snack. This keeps the body burning and never in starvation mode. How active are you between each section. Eat according to the amount of physical movement before each section. Otherwise, eat to fuel each section.

You will go thru a plateau. Your eating habits has a predermined amount of weight loss. Your metabulism will increase thru exercise. Cleaning up your eating habits at this plateau will trigger more fat loss. Your physical body will be changing when exerciseing. Your weight will seem to have stopped, but your bones amd muscles will increase in mass. This will add weight to your structure. Don't worry, it's what you want. At this time you will need to clean up your eating. "CLEAN EATING". The fat will fall off you and your physical structure will increase. You will look better and feel empowered.

Invest in your future. Invest in yourself.

Digesting food takes energy. If you're not digesting food during the day, where does the energy go? TO YOU. 2nd, when your a bit hungry it releases growth hormone and adrenaline, adrenaline keeps you energized through the day and burns with with the GH release. WHen you eat you slow down the production of these biochemicals. Eating triggers the parasympethatic nervous system making you groggy and tired, when you eat a huge meal, doy ou feel energized and ready? NO, you feel tired, and groggy. It's because of this, your body slows down, when you eat. Eating doesn't "energize you."

Correct. This is why you need to eat 6X a day. Keeping those triggers at a minimum and the fuel source readily available for muscle and brain activity.

Acg67

bro-tastic!

"Basal Metabolic Rate This is the amount of calories you burn sitting on your behind in a 24 hr period. Then how active are you"

BMR has nothing to do with an activity factor, you multiply your BMR by an activity factor to calculate maintenance calories

"BMR or BIA"

Basal Metabolic Rate and Bioelectrical Impedance Analysis aren't even close to the same thing

"Starving yourself in certain points of the day makes your body preserve its fat stores and you get sluggish. Knowing how many cals you burn in a day and what time of the day you go past your BMR's cal burn will enable you to eat to fuel up thru the day. Break your day down into sections before you eat 6X a day. Breakfast, Snack, Lunch, Snack, Dinner and Snack. This keeps the body burning and never in starvation mode. How active are you between each section."

Meal frequency is largely irrelevant to weight loss, significant metabolic slow down occurs after 48-72hrs of fasting, also see;

http://www­.ncbi.nlm.­nih.gov/pu­bmed/19943­985
This study shows there was no difference in weight loss between subjects with high/low meal frequencie­s.

http://www­.ncbi.nlm.­nih.gov/pu­bmed/91554­94
Evidence supports that meal frequency has nothing to do with energy in the subjects.

http://www­.ncbi.nlm.­nih.gov/pu­bmed/11319­656
Yet again, no difference in energy in the subjects compared to 2 meals/d to 6 meals/d.

http://www­.ncbi.nlm.­nih.gov/pu­bmed/19059­98
Eur J Clin Nutr. 1991 Mar;45(3):­161-9.Link­s
Influence of the feeding frequency on nutrient utilizatio­n in man: consequenc­es for energy metabolism­.

http://www­.ncbi.nlm.­nih.gov/pu­bmed/11319­656
Int J Obes Relat Metab Disord. 2001 Apr;25(4):­519-28.Lin­ks
Compared with nibbling, neither gorging nor a morning fast affect short-term energy balance in obese patients in a chamber calorimete­r.

"Cleaning up your eating habits at this plateau will trigger more fat loss. Your physical body will be changing when exerciseing. Your weight will seem to have stopped, but your bones amd muscles will increase in mass. This will add weight to your structure. Don't worry, it's what you want. At this time you will need to clean up your eating. "CLEAN EATING". The fat will fall off you and your physical structure will increase. You will look better and feel empowered. "

assuming the same macronutrient composition, "clean" vs "unclean" makes little or no difference in weight loss

http://www.wannabebig.com/diet-and-nutrition/the-dirt-on-clean-eating/

Soccer_chick916

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adross3

This is the process that I have followed for 12 weeks and.....

Date : F% : F lbs : H2O : Muscle : Bone : Weight
7/4 : ..24.1 : 46.3 : .56.6 : ..70.9 : ...8.1 :.... 191
8/29 ..13.6 : 24.3 :. 60.5 :.. 73.0 :... 9.6 : ....179.
9/15 ..11.7 : 20.7 : .62.3 : ..75.1 :... 9.7 : ....177

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(F% -12.4): (Flbs -25.6) : (H2O +5.7) : (Muscle +4.2) : ( Bone +1.6 ) : (Weight -14 lbs)

My weight is staying the same, but my fat, bone, muscle and water are changing.

I will admit that this ripped dude and his answers may or may not be correct. But, my process made these results. Your calorie intake means just that. If I eat 2 whoppers with cheese and and 2 medium fries that is my cal intake for the day. I think that I will be hungry for the rest of the day. This is the meaning behing my process.

alkion

First question you should alsways ask when dieting is.....What is my try BMR. Basal Metabolic Rate This is the amount of calories you burn sitting on your behind in a 24 hr period. Then how active are you. My calculation algorithim is always off. The calculation gives me a 1600 BMR. My true BMR is 2100. This is because of my muscle mass. Finding your true BMR allows you to judge more accurately. I was loosing 2lbs per week not knowing why. I then payed and checked my BMR or BIA and found out. Best money I spent. Muscle mass is key to the amounts of cals you burn. Exercise is key to weight loss. Eating is key to weight loss.

Fat is approx 3,500 cals per 1lb. The energy you eat as food is stored as fat or stored energy. Don't eat 3,500 cals and you loose 1lb of fat. Eat 3,500 cals and you gain 1lb of fat. That simple. If you want to loose 1lb of fat a week then spread it out at minus 500 cals per day. You will lose 1lb of fat a week. Knock of 1,000 cals a day and you will loose 2lbs per week.

Eating your exercise cals does two things. It supplies your muscles and brain with the proper nutrition it needs to grow and burn fat. Starving yourself in certain points of the day makes your body preserve its fat stores and you get sluggish. Knowing how many cals you burn in a day and what time of the day you go past your BMR's cal burn will enable you to eat to fuel up thru the day. Break your day down into sections before you eat 6X a day. Breakfast, Snack, Lunch, Snack, Dinner and Snack. This keeps the body burning and never in starvation mode. How active are you between each section. Eat according to the amount of physical movement before each section. Otherwise, eat to fuel each section.

You will go thru a plateau. Your eating habits has a predermined amount of weight loss. Your metabulism will increase thru exercise. Cleaning up your eating habits at this plateau will trigger more fat loss. Your physical body will be changing when exerciseing. Your weight will seem to have stopped, but your bones amd muscles will increase in mass. This will add weight to your structure. Don't worry, it's what you want. At this time you will need to clean up your eating. "CLEAN EATING". The fat will fall off you and your physical structure will increase. You will look better and feel empowered.

Invest in your future. Invest in yourself.

Digesting food takes energy. If you're not digesting food during the day, where does the energy go? TO YOU. 2nd, when your a bit hungry it releases growth hormone and adrenaline, adrenaline keeps you energized through the day and burns with with the GH release. WHen you eat you slow down the production of these biochemicals. Eating triggers the parasympethatic nervous system making you groggy and tired, when you eat a huge meal, doy ou feel energized and ready? NO, you feel tired, and groggy. It's because of this, your body slows down, when you eat. Eating doesn't "energize you."

Correct. This is why you need to eat 6X a day. Keeping those triggers at a minimum and the fuel source readily available for muscle and brain activity.

Growth Hromone = Helps burn bodyfat and perserve muscle. Parasympathetic nervous system(Makes you sleepy and tired).
Eating 6 times a day LOWERS growth hormone, and TRIGGERS PSN... so you're saying you want to prevent fat burning and muscle growth, while making you tired and groggy?

adross3

my energy levels are thru the roof. This hormone imbalance may be true, but I think that your body compensates for the small amounts. I have to disagree. I can't sit still. WHAT IS MORE IMPORTANT.....I AM NEVER HUNGRY. burp......

alkion

my energy levels are thru the roof. This hormone imbalance may be true, but I think that your body compensates for the small amounts. I have to disagree. I can't sit still. WHAT IS MORE IMPORTANT.....I AM NEVER HUNGRY. burp......

You can't disagree untill you tried it.

Rachaelluvszipped

This is why I love you guys!! Love the explanation of it all!! :flowerforyou: :flowerforyou: :flowerforyou: :flowerforyou: :flowerforyou:

ProTFitness

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ziggylove

I am very new to trying to understand all this.. I lost only about half a pound this past week, which I thought was due to treating myself to a serving of chips a couple of times, a 600ish calorie lunch on Friday, and possibly getting in a little less exercise than the week before. I have been denying myself morning snacks and afternoon snacks even though that's when I usually feel hunger the most. Are you saying the skipping of snacks is what may be lowering the amount of weight I can lose in a week? I'm just having a hard time understanding the concept that eating a bit more will help me lose weight faster. :]

adross3

I am very new to trying to understand all this.. I lost only about half a pound this past week, which I thought was due to treating myself to a serving of chips a couple of times, a 600ish calorie lunch on Friday, and possibly getting in a little less exercise than the week before. I have been denying myself morning snacks and afternoon snacks even though that's when I usually feel hunger the most. Are you saying the skipping of snacks is what may be lowering the amount of weight I can lose in a week? I'm just having a hard time understanding the concept that eating a bit more will help me lose weight faster. :]

Eating more is not about just eating. You have to eat the right foods. Your body needs amino acids, fatty acids, carbohydrates and water. Your body burns so many calories in a 24 hr period. If you eat what your body burns equally you stay the same weight. My body burn 2,100 calories or cals without me leaving my bed. It's my metabulism. Muscle mass burns 50 cals per 1lb per day. Then there is the rest of my organs that need a certain amount of energy to function. A proper body functions on A/F/C and water in the proper amounts. The better your eating habits the more micronutrients/vitamins your body uses. Your organs functioning properly and in unison will help your fat loss and muscle growth. I eat great meals that keep me full and give me proper fuel for the task ahead.

Ex: Wopper w. cheese and med fries. 1,100 cals. I can fit 2-3 meals in that. I "eat more" of the right foods that give me the nutriants the body needs to function properly. Fill half of your plate with vegitables(prefer green leafy). I eat one dark green salad a day with anything but salad dressing. Make your own low cal dressing. Vegitables will give your the organ boost that your body needs to convert the fat into fuel. Potassium is an electrolyte. You need 3500mg a day. Do you know how much your getting. You need every other type also. I personally would rather eat my vitamins.

Moreover you need to eat your exercise calories to give your body the strength and nutriants it needs to convert fat to energy and expell the toxins in your fat. Keep your cals -750 to -500 in the beginning. If your making poor food choices you will be hungry. Eat the right foods you will keep full and turn on the furnace and burn fat. If you eat the right foods you will find eating all of your cals a challenge. I know I do.

pauljsolie

WOW, great info from all sides. One thing I learned when eating 6x per day is to eat for the NEXT 3 hours. So you always want to be fueling your body for what is to come, not eating because of what you did. Your body will react in the mose efficient way if you give it the proper fuel for what you are going to be doing. Just my .02. Great thread, thanks.

adross3

WOW, great info from all sides. One thing I learned when eating 6x per day is to eat for the NEXT 3 hours. So you always want to be fueling your body for what is to come, not eating because of what you did. Your body will react in the mose efficient way if you give it the proper fuel for what you are going to be doing. Just my .02. Great thread, thanks.

It's not just for the next 3 hours. It's for the next eating cycle. When are you going to eat again and what will you be doing until your next eating cycle. keep the energy your consume to -100 each cycle. End of the day. -500/-600.

Rhodygarden

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Lift_hard_eat_big

Eating more is not about just eating. You have to eat the right foods. Your body needs amino acids, fatty acids, carbohydrates and water. Your body burns so many calories in a 24 hr period. If you eat what your body burns equally you stay the same weight. My body burn 2,100 calories or cals without me leaving my bed. It's my metabulism. Muscle mass burns 50 cals per 1lb per day. Then there is the rest of my organs that need a certain amount of energy to function. A proper body functions on A/F/C and water in the proper amounts. The better your eating habits the more micronutrients/vitamins your body uses. Your organs functioning properly and in unison will help your fat loss and muscle growth. I eat great meals that keep me full and give me proper fuel for the task ahead.

Ex: Wopper w. cheese and med fries. 1,100 cals. I can fit 2-3 meals in that. I "eat more" of the right foods that give me the nutriants the body needs to function properly. Fill half of your plate with vegitables(prefer green leafy). I eat one dark green salad a day with anything but salad dressing. Make your own low cal dressing. Vegitables will give your the organ boost that your body needs to convert the fat into fuel. Potassium is an electrolyte. You need 3500mg a day. Do you know how much your getting. You need every other type also. I personally would rather eat my vitamins.

Moreover you need to eat your exercise calories to give your body the strength and nutriants it needs to convert fat to energy and expell the toxins in your fat. Keep your cals -750 to -500 in the beginning. If your making poor food choices you will be hungry. Eat the right foods you will keep full and turn on the furnace and burn fat. If you eat the right foods you will find eating all of your cals a challenge. I know I do.

What is in veges that "gives you the organ boost that your body needs to convert fat into fuel"?
What is the point of eating all your exercise calories if your goal is weight loss?
When I eat a huge burger, I stay fuller longer than when I eat a sald.
Alkion is correct, eating lowers GH production, which is why I don't eat within an hour of working out like many so called gurus recommend. Working out stimulates GH production, I don't want to slow it down immediately after I work out by eating a meal.

adross3

Eating more is not about just eating. You have to eat the right foods. Your body needs amino acids, fatty acids, carbohydrates and water. Your body burns so many calories in a 24 hr period. If you eat what your body burns equally you stay the same weight. My body burn 2,100 calories or cals without me leaving my bed. It's my metabulism. Muscle mass burns 50 cals per 1lb per day. Then there is the rest of my organs that need a certain amount of energy to function. A proper body functions on A/F/C and water in the proper amounts. The better your eating habits the more micronutrients/vitamins your body uses. Your organs functioning properly and in unison will help your fat loss and muscle growth. I eat great meals that keep me full and give me proper fuel for the task ahead.

Ex: Wopper w. cheese and med fries. 1,100 cals. I can fit 2-3 meals in that. I "eat more" of the right foods that give me the nutriants the body needs to function properly. Fill half of your plate with vegitables(prefer green leafy). I eat one dark green salad a day with anything but salad dressing. Make your own low cal dressing. Vegitables will give your the organ boost that your body needs to convert the fat into fuel. Potassium is an electrolyte. You need 3500mg a day. Do you know how much your getting. You need every other type also. I personally would rather eat my vitamins.

Moreover you need to eat your exercise calories to give your body the strength and nutriants it needs to convert fat to energy and expell the toxins in your fat. Keep your cals -750 to -500 in the beginning. If your making poor food choices you will be hungry. Eat the right foods you will keep full and turn on the furnace and burn fat. If you eat the right foods you will find eating all of your cals a challenge. I know I do.

What is in veges that "gives you the organ boost that your body needs to convert fat into fuel"?
What is the point of eating all your exercise calories if your goal is weight loss?
When I eat a huge burger, I stay fuller longer than when I eat a sald.
Alkion is correct, eating lowers GH production, which is why I don't eat within an hour of working out like many so called gurus recommend. Working out stimulates GH production, I don't want to slow it down immediately after I work out by eating a meal.

This is what I have learned that works for me. I lost 25.3 lbs of fat and gained +4.5lbs of muscle. Thats +4.5 lbs of muscle from the weight of 191 to 177. I did not lose any muscle. I gained muscle. +4.5 lbs for 3 months. I lost an average of 2.4lbs of fat a week. So, if I did it wrong why the great results. What would I of benifited by the correct way. I don't eat within an hour before a work out either. I don't understand your point. Food digestion is very important to the task at hand. Who eats a steak dinner and runs 5k. Your body is too busy breaking it down to handle the intense run. I said to Alkion(my friend)that I the body compensates for the hormone production. If it doesn't then once again. Why the Awsome results and what would I of benifited from the "correct" method.


If the tire is not flat, why are you asking me to fix it. Are you trying to say that my leanings and methods were unsuccessful? I am still trying to wrap my head around your right and I am wrong when the results speak the loudest word.

Lift_hard_eat_big

This is what I have learned that works for me. I lost 25.3 lbs of fat and gained +4.5lbs of muscle. Thats +4.5 lbs of muscle from the weight of 191 to 177. I did not lose any muscle. I gained muscle. +4.5 lbs for 3 months. I lost an average of 2.4lbs of fat a week. So, if I did it wrong why the great results. What would I of benifited by the correct way. I don't eat within an hour before a work out either. I don't understand your point. Food digestion is very important to the task at hand. Who eats a steak dinner and runs 5k. Your body is too busy breaking it down to handle the intense run. I said to Alkion(my friend)that I the body compensates for the hormone production. If it doesn't then once again. Why the Awsome results and what would I of benifited from the "correct" method.


If the tire is not flat, why are you asking me to fix it. Are you trying to say that my leanings and methods were unsuccessful? I am still trying to wrap my head around your right and I am wrong when the results speak the loudest word.

Where did I say you're doing it wrong?
I'm asking you to explain some of your claims in further detail.
What is it in veges that triggers the body to convert fat into energy? Would eating a surplus of calories in veges still trigger the body to convert fat into energy?
What is the point of eating your exercise calories if that just puts you right back at maintenance? Why not just eat at a deficit and not exercise so much?
I'm happy for your success, never did I say you are doing it wrong, but what if someone told you a few adjustments would have yielded you the same results in half the time, wouldn't you be intrigued to hear more? There is usually more than one way to get a job done.

adross3

This is what I have learned that works for me. I lost 25.3 lbs of fat and gained +4.5lbs of muscle. Thats +4.5 lbs of muscle from the weight of 191 to 177. I did not lose any muscle. I gained muscle. +4.5 lbs for 3 months. I lost an average of 2.4lbs of fat a week. So, if I did it wrong why the great results. What would I of benifited by the correct way. I don't eat within an hour before a work out either. I don't understand your point. Food digestion is very important to the task at hand. Who eats a steak dinner and runs 5k. Your body is too busy breaking it down to handle the intense run. I said to Alkion(my friend)that I the body compensates for the hormone production. If it doesn't then once again. Why the Awsome results and what would I of benifited from the "correct" method.


If the tire is not flat, why are you asking me to fix it. Are you trying to say that my leanings and methods were unsuccessful? I am still trying to wrap my head around your right and I am wrong when the results speak the loudest word.

Where did I say you're doing it wrong?
I'm asking you to explain some of your claims in further detail.
What is it in veges that triggers the body to convert fat into energy? Would eating a surplus of calories in veges still trigger the body to convert fat into energy?
What is the point of eating your exercise calories if that just puts you right back at maintenance? Why not just eat at a deficit and not exercise so much?
I'm happy for your success, never did I say you are doing it wrong, but what if someone told you a few adjustments would have yielded you the same results in half the time, wouldn't you be intrigued to hear more? There is usually more than one way to get a job done.

I would of listened, studied, applied and judged the progress. Vegitables and their micronutriants make the organs function properly. Dude. Google it. You'll have so many leads to keep you reading forever. Alkion does Alkaline diet. He will be the first to tell you about the importance of vegitables.

Acg67

I assume you're getting you're bf% from a BIA device and not DEXA? if so...

Changes in body composition during weight loss in obese subjects in the NUGENOB study: comparison of bioelectrical impedance vs. dual-energy X-ray absorptiometry.

Verdich C et al. Diabetes Metab. 2011 Jun;37(3):222-9.

"RESULTS:

At baseline, BIA significantly overestimated FFM and underestimated FM (by 1-3 kg on average) compared with DXA, and the limits of agreement were wide (mean ± 7-8.5 kg). "


A comparison of dual energy X-ray absorptiometry and bioelectrical impedance analysis to measure total and segmental body composition in healthy young adults.

Lehy S et al. Eur J Appl Physiol. 2011 May 26

"BIA was found to underestimate the percentage total body fat in men and women (p < 0.001). This underestimate increased in men with >24.6% body fat and women with >32% body fat (p < 0.001). Fat tissue mass in the trunk segment was overestimated by 2.1 kg (p < 0.001) in men and underestimated by 0.4 kg (p < 0.001) in women. BIA was also found to underestimate the fat free mass in the appendages by 1.0 kg (p < 0.001) in men and 0.9 kg (p < 0.001) in women. Compared to dual energy X-ray absorptiometry, bioelectrical impedance analysis underestimates the total body fat mass and overestimates fat free mass in healthy young adults."

Lift_hard_eat_big

I would of listened, studied, applied and judged the progress. Vegitables and their micronutriants make the organs function properly. Dude. Google it. You'll have so many leads to keep you reading forever. Alkion does Alkaline diet. He will be the first to tell you about the importance of vegitables.

I'm aware of micronutrients and their functions. I've studied the human body, food and nutrition for more than 8 years, not just scholastically but occupationally as well. You're not answering my question, what does proper organ function have to do with converting fat into energy, and will eating a surplus of calories from vegetables still cause the body to use fat as energy?

adross3

I assume you're getting you're bf% from a BIA device and not DEXA? if so...

Changes in body composition during weight loss in obese subjects in the NUGENOB study: comparison of bioelectrical impedance vs. dual-energy X-ray absorptiometry.

Verdich C et al. Diabetes Metab. 2011 Jun;37(3):222-9.

"RESULTS:

At baseline, BIA significantly overestimated FFM and underestimated FM (by 1-3 kg on average) compared with DXA, and the limits of agreement were wide (mean ± 7-8.5 kg). "


A comparison of dual energy X-ray absorptiometry and bioelectrical impedance analysis to measure total and segmental body composition in healthy young adults.

Lehy S et al. Eur J Appl Physiol. 2011 May 26

"BIA was found to underestimate the percentage total body fat in men and women (p < 0.001). This underestimate increased in men with >24.6% body fat and women with >32% body fat (p < 0.001). Fat tissue mass in the trunk segment was overestimated by 2.1 kg (p < 0.001) in men and underestimated by 0.4 kg (p < 0.001) in women. BIA was also found to underestimate the fat free mass in the appendages by 1.0 kg (p < 0.001) in men and 0.9 kg (p < 0.001) in women. Compared to dual energy X-ray absorptiometry, bioelectrical impedance analysis underestimates the total body fat mass and overestimates fat free mass in healthy young adults."

I can copy and paste my plan from articles doctor thesis studies all day long also. It comes down to does it work. The way you look I would say yes. But here is the whole point. So does mine. I am full of energy and eat all day long, loose weight and gain muscle.

WHAT'S UP......YOU KNOW AS WELL AS I DO THAT THERE ARE THEORIES AND METHODS FOR WEIGHT LOSS. THE BEST THING FOR YOU, IS TO WRITE YOUR OWN ARTICLES AND TEACH HOW TO DO IT YOUR WAY. THEN LET THEM DECIDE. COMMING DOWN ON ME LIKE THE MAN IS NOT THE WAY TO CONVINCE PEOPLE OF THE PROPER METHOD. NO ONE HAS EVER WON IN A PROTEST ONLY A ACTIVIST RULES THE DAY. IF YOU NOTICE I AM AN ACTIVIST. WHO ARE YOU? YOUR OPINIONS ARE JUST THAT....AN OPINION.

HAVE A GREAT DAY TOMORROW.

Acg67

"I can copy and paste my plan from articles doctor thesis studies all day long also. It comes down to does it work"

the point of posting those studies, was to show you that BIA devices over estimate FFM and underestimate FM, so it's possible your bf is much higher and muscle is much lower

"COMMING DOWN ON ME LIKE THE MAN IS NOT THE WAY TO CONVINCE PEOPLE OF THE PROPER METHOD. "

easy fellow, i'm not coming down on anyone, only correcting obvious falsehoods and nonsense. isn't it better to inform everyone then just make stuff up that has no actual backing in that pesky thing called science?

adross3

"I can copy and paste my plan from articles doctor thesis studies all day long also. It comes down to does it work"

the point of posting those studies, was to show you that BIA devices over estimate FFM and underestimate FM, so it's possible your bf is much higher and muscle is much lower

"COMMING DOWN ON ME LIKE THE MAN IS NOT THE WAY TO CONVINCE PEOPLE OF THE PROPER METHOD. "

easy fellow, i'm not coming down on anyone, only correcting obvious falsehoods and nonsense. isn't it better to inform everyone then just make stuff up that has no actual backing in that pesky thing called science?

ok...is me loosing 25lbs of fat nonsense. What......Yes...they could be higher....but what's the point. I still lost 25lbs of fat and gained +4.5 lbs of muscle doing it this way. I feel healthy, strong and quick minded. There is no way of convinceing me otherwise. The proof is in the pudding. Everybody who is reading this sees the truth behind the numbers. I'm sure that your method is right, but my BS is too. I was just thinking that yours was BS too. Where are your articles and reslults. This is what people want to see. Not this trying to convincing each other BS. My method gets results. Period.

Acg67

so confusing BMR and BIA which aren't even close to the same thing is not nonsense? not eating 6 times a time will hinder fat loss? and again i'm happy for your weight loss, but i believe you are basing it off a BIA device so, it likely you are over estimating just how much fat you lost

adross3

so confusing BMR and BIA which aren't even close to the same thing is not nonsense? not eating 6 times a time will hinder fat loss? and again i'm happy for your weight loss, but i believe you are basing it off a BIA device so, it likely you are over estimating just how much fat you lost

Thank you for your speculated projection. I will look into it.

hush7hush

As an IFer, I thoroughly disagree with the "eat 6x a day or you won't lose weight!" bull. You will lose weight on a calorie deficit, regardless of how many times per day you eat.

Everyone's body reacts differently. Congratulations on your loss! I've also lost 50lbs since April. Just because we don't do it your way, doesn't mean it's the wrong way.

Acg67

ok...is me loosing 25lbs of fat nonsense. What......Yes...they could be higher....but what's the point. I still lost 25lbs of fat and gained +4.5 lbs of muscle doing it this way. I feel healthy, strong and quick minded. There is no way of convinceing me otherwise. The proof is in the pudding. Everybody who is reading this sees the truth behind the numbers. I'm sure that your method is right, but my BS is too. I was just thinking that yours was BS too. Where are your articles and reslults. This is what people want to see. Not this trying to convincing each other BS. My method gets results. Period.

where did i say your way wouldn't get results, i took issue when you backed your methods with nonsense, such as not eating 6 times a day will slow down your metabolism and hinder fat loss. it's one thing to say this is what i did and another to say this is what i did and this is why it worked and then back that with stuff that is false

adross3

As an IFer, I thoroughly disagree with the "eat 6x a day or you won't lose weight!" bull. You will lose weight on a calorie deficit, regardless of how many times per day you eat.

Everyone's body reacts differently. Congratulations on your loss! I've also lost 50lbs since April. Just because we don't do it your way, doesn't mean it's the wrong way.

That's what I've been trying to say. Hello.... I am always full. Ask yourself.....Are you always full and satisfied. I am.