question!! chocolate milk

joejccva71

FYI The most perfect food is milk it has everything in it the will make your body survive. If you could only choose one food to live on forever it would be milk.

Lol yea. The person that came up with the slogan "Milk it does a body good" was just the biggest moron in the world and has absolutely no clue. lol

jazzybean1

I find it really strange that milk would make a good recovery drink because it digests so slowly, and the idea behind a recovery drink is that your body will absorb it quickly.

She's right. I went to a lecture on this a few weeks ago and chocolate milk does not actually make a great recovery drink for this very reason.

Sugars absorb fast which is what matters here. The milk is casein protein which digest slow but the carbs are what makes the recovery. The anabolic window lasts 24 hours anyway so it doesn't matter when you get your nutrients as long as it's throughout the day. This is why meal timing doesn't matter.

This is true, it's about the carb absorbtion, not the protein.

MaryStregger

Joe - I have learned that, especially when it comes to nutrition, you can find a study that will tell you anything you want to hear about anything. I have also learned specifically to distrust any that are put out by the government (this is what led to the infamous food pyramids which were promoted by the government and funded by farmers).

But, a recovery drink still needs to be a low density, quickly absorbed beverage. I do not argue that milk is good for you - but it cannot be a recovery drink because it is too dense. If you drink it, you will definitely get the health benefits, long term or short term. So go for it if you want to.

MaryStregger

Joe - I have learned that, especially when it comes to nutrition, you can find a study that will tell you anything you want to hear about anything. I have also learned specifically to distrust any that are put out by the government (this is what led to the infamous food pyramids which were promoted by the government and funded by farmers).

But, a recovery drink still needs to be a low density, quickly absorbed beverage. I do not argue that milk is good for you - but it cannot be a recovery drink because it is too dense. If you drink it, you will definitely get the health benefits, long term or short term. So go for it if you want to.

And - considering that Alan Aragon is employed by the government and the other paragraph you quoted is from a government website, I am going to go ahead and make the assumption that they are all concerned with the plight of US dairy farmers.

shawnscott5

Carbs are a quick fix, but not nearly as important as protein.

Carbs are there to help with insulin response. You need insulin to transport amino acids to your muscles.

Personally, I have to have carbs after a workout or I will pass out. No I am not diabetic, just the opposite....hypoglycemic. I find eating carbs right afterward keeps the energy flowing for me.

TK421NotAtPost

But, a recovery drink still needs to be a low density, quickly absorbed beverage. I do not argue that milk is good for you - but it cannot be a recovery drink because it is too dense. If you drink it, you will definitely get the health benefits, long term or short term. So go for it if you want to.

The topic of this thread is chocolate milk, not regular milk. CM contains a good amount of sucrose/fructose as well as lactose.

Sure, the 80/20 split between casein/whey may be slow absorbing, but the sugar content (albeit slowed down a bit by the protein mix) is not slow absorbing.

In terms of what a recovery drink does after a hard workout, getting carbs into your system should be done relatively quickly to stop the muscle breakdown, while the anabolic window for protein is substantially longer.

joejccva71

Joe - I have learned that, especially when it comes to nutrition, you can find a study that will tell you anything you want to hear about anything. I have also learned specifically to distrust any that are put out by the government (this is what led to the infamous food pyramids which were promoted by the government and funded by farmers).

But, a recovery drink still needs to be a low density, quickly absorbed beverage. I do not argue that milk is good for you - but it cannot be a recovery drink because it is too dense. If you drink it, you will definitely get the health benefits, long term or short term. So go for it if you want to.

And - considering that Alan Aragon is employed by the government and the other paragraph you quoted is from a government website, I am going to go ahead and make the assumption that they are all concerned with the plight of US dairy farmers.

You have some serious issues. You obviously have never heard of Alan Aragon. He's a nutritional legend.

MaryStregger

Joe - I have learned that, especially when it comes to nutrition, you can find a study that will tell you anything you want to hear about anything. I have also learned specifically to distrust any that are put out by the government (this is what led to the infamous food pyramids which were promoted by the government and funded by farmers).

But, a recovery drink still needs to be a low density, quickly absorbed beverage. I do not argue that milk is good for you - but it cannot be a recovery drink because it is too dense. If you drink it, you will definitely get the health benefits, long term or short term. So go for it if you want to.

And - considering that Alan Aragon is employed by the government and the other paragraph you quoted is from a government website, I am going to go ahead and make the assumption that they are all concerned with the plight of US dairy farmers.

You have some serious issues. You obviously have never heard of Alan Aragon. He's a nutritional legend.

Well, I have heard of him. But he has not succeeded in convincing me of every single one of his points because I choose to acknowledge his bias.

Acg67

Roy BD. Milk: the new sports drink? A Review. J Int Soc Sports Nutr. 2008 Oct 2;5:15

Conclusion
There is growing scientific evidence to support the use of low-fat milk following exercise by both individuals and athletes who habitually undertake strength or endurance training. There is data which suggests that fat free milk is as effective as, and possibly even more effective than, commercially available sports drinks at promoting recovery from strength and endurance exercise. Further work is required to better understand the physiological mechanisms by which milk exerts its actions following exercise and training. Milk also has the added benefit of providing additional nutrients and vitamins that are not present in commercial sports drinks. In conclusion, fat free milk is a safe and effective post-exercise beverage that has been shown to promote recovery from exercise and should be considered as a viable alternative to commercial sports drinks by lactose tolerant individuals.

joejccva71

Joe - I have learned that, especially when it comes to nutrition, you can find a study that will tell you anything you want to hear about anything. I have also learned specifically to distrust any that are put out by the government (this is what led to the infamous food pyramids which were promoted by the government and funded by farmers).

But, a recovery drink still needs to be a low density, quickly absorbed beverage. I do not argue that milk is good for you - but it cannot be a recovery drink because it is too dense. If you drink it, you will definitely get the health benefits, long term or short term. So go for it if you want to.

And - considering that Alan Aragon is employed by the government and the other paragraph you quoted is from a government website, I am going to go ahead and make the assumption that they are all concerned with the plight of US dairy farmers.

You have some serious issues. You obviously have never heard of Alan Aragon. He's a nutritional legend.

Well, I have heard of him. But he has not succeeded in convincing me of every single one of his points because I choose to acknowledge his bias.

Have you read Lyle McDonald's stuff? Martin Berkhan's? Steve Troutman's? They all say the same thing.

Are we to just disapprove of all these guys who are considered to be the most knowledgeable in the industry? All because you have this biology thing down pat?

You have a serious issue with the government apparently, but research and studies are research and studies. It's not some made up fairy tale.

lindsay6694

blue diamond makes an unsweetened chocolate almond milk. i use it for my protein shakes with my chocolate protein power. so yummy

stefchica

you can just make your own syrup!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://smallnotebook.org/2009/07/10/homemade-chocolate-syrup/ you can adjust it any way you want....and just ;mix with milk and protein powder or whatever

1a1a

Can one simply have a small amount of normal chocolate milk instead (full cream, sugar), or perhaps, plain milk?

Edit: Also, when you quote posts that contain quotes, if you delete all but the sentences that are relevant to your reply, it will make reading the thread a looooooot easier.

jamie31

i ve seen around alot of forums that chocolate milk is great as a recovery drink. for some reason i cant find one with low sugar or without corn syrup. and when i do its crazy expensive . so my question is can i just mix milk and unsweeten cocoa powder ? what would the ratio be?

I get Hood calorie countdown chocolate milk. seems to do the trick

Jolenebib

I love chocolate milk after a workout. Don't like the taste of most commercially available sports drinks and they're expensive. Really, you're just trying to give your body something to burn instead of muscle after you've used up all your reserve carbs. So the natural sugars in the milk and the sugar in the chocolate get burned. The milk has the protein that is needed for your muscles to start to recover. I need something after a hard workout or my blood sugar gets low and I get all jittery.

Really, try it and see how you feel. But I wouldn't recommend using unsweetened cocoa powder - yuck.

kailyamie

I have personally never heard of this principal - but I will say that 1/2 of a packet of Carnation instant breakfast powder in a glass of fat-free milk is delicious. It has kinda high sugar, which is why I only ever use 1/2 a packet but too much more than that and it's a little overpowering anyway As far as the research everyone is arguing over - you can find "research" and studies to back up pretty much any opinion, ultimately you have to decide what works best for YOU because everyone is ultimately different and what works for someone might not work for you! Good luck

angievaughn

muscle milk

http://www.musclemilk.com/

taste like Ensure....which is what I had to drink when I had my mouth wired shut for 6 weeks when I was 16....as soon as I took a drink the memory of that time in my life came flooding back!!

fteale

Milk is great for baby cows. I don't think anyone can honestly claim adult humans need it.

I like what it tastes like, but I don't think we should ideally have it. It's for baby cows. And it has no iron in. Not a complete food by any means. That's why babies need to start on solids at 6 months, they have depleted their birth iron around then.

fteale

Ps. I think chocolate milk is disgusting. I like milk in cereal and tea, not to drink.

bcattoes

I use No Sugar Added Nestle Quik

bcattoes

Milk is great for baby cows. I don't think anyone can honestly claim adult humans need it.

I like what it tastes like, but I don't think we should ideally have it. It's for baby cows. And it has no iron in. Not a complete food by any means. That's why babies need to start on solids at 6 months, they have depleted their birth iron around then.

I completely agree with this. I didn't drink milk for years. I've since added one cup a day as a way to add plant sterols to my diet (I buy milk with sterols added).

bcattoes

FYI The most perfect food is milk it has everything in it the will make your body survive. If you could only choose one food to live on forever it would be milk.

Huh?? Milk has no/little of many necessary vitamins.

Jolenebib

Milk is great for baby cows. I don't think anyone can honestly claim adult humans need it.

I like what it tastes like, but I don't think we should ideally have it. It's for baby cows. And it has no iron in. Not a complete food by any means. That's why babies need to start on solids at 6 months, they have depleted their birth iron around then.

Sorry, This isn't true. Babies get all the iron they need from their mother's milk up to 7 months. Yes they have stores that have been depleted, but they are getting iron from breast milk - quite efficiently actually, with a 50% absorption rate. http://wholesomebabyfood.momtastic.com/Iron.htm

Cow's milk does have iron in it, our bodies are just not made to absorb it efficiently, meaning its not enough to make a difference.

Jolenebib

FYI The most perfect food is milk it has everything in it the will make your body survive. If you could only choose one food to live on forever it would be milk.

Huh?? Milk has no/little of many necessary vitamins.

Google "nutrients in milk"...

bcattoes

FYI The most perfect food is milk it has everything in it the will make your body survive. If you could only choose one food to live on forever it would be milk.

Huh?? Milk has no/little of many necessary vitamins.

Google "nutrients in milk"...

Okey doke. http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/cgi-bin/list_nut_edit.pl

It has NO vitamin C at all and very small amounts of Iron, vitamins E, and K. Since it also contains 49 g of sugar per quart, to drink enough to get the RDA of most of the nutrients it does contain you'd likely risk insulin problems.

ATT949

Joe - I have learned that, especially when it comes to nutrition, you can find a study that will tell you anything you want to hear about anything. I have also learned specifically to distrust any that are put out by the government (this is what led to the infamous food pyramids which were promoted by the government and funded by farmers).

But, a recovery drink still needs to be a low density, quickly absorbed beverage. I do not argue that milk is good for you - but it cannot be a recovery drink because it is too dense. If you drink it, you will definitely get the health benefits, long term or short term. So go for it if you want to.

It's great that you're so honest!

Since you trumpet that you intentionally limit your knowledge and understanding of this topic, folks with critical thinking skills will be more wary of everything that you write.

Thank you.