How much Protein is too Much??

sallywilson06

Just wondering how much protein is too much? I don't eat a lot of red meats, maybe twice a week if that, then its usually chicken/turkey or cottage cheese.

I have been noticing that MFP says that I am over my protein intake. Is this a bad thing?

LorinaLynn

MFP's default protein is quite low. Going over is not a problem unless you have serious medical issues.

SergeantSunshine_reused

Not a bad thing. Think of body builders. Some getting 300g of protein and they seem to be doing well. xD

MDfour

MFP's default protein goal is notoriously low. As a rule of thumb, you should strive to eat a gram of protein per pound of ideal body weight. IE, if your ideal body weight is 130 lb, you should aim for 130 grams of protein a day. It is difficult to eat too much protein.

daves160

There is no too much. OK, probably want to go around 1g per pound of body weight...give or take.

sallywilson06

Good to know!!! Thank you!!

Rachaelluvszipped

check out these sites..

http://exercise.about.com/cs/nutrition/a/protein_2.htm

http://www.freedieting.com/tools/nutrient_calculator.htm

AloyMomNwife

Thank you! I was wondering the same thing cuz I'm always going over my protein limit. I guess it's better than going over carbs which end up sticking to your gut!

istalkzombies

what they said lol

SergeantSunshine_reused

Thank you! I was wondering the same thing cuz I'm always going over my protein limit. I guess it's better than going over carbs which end up sticking to your gut!

Noyt really true as long as you are under your calories :flowerforyou: carbs are not the enemy

digitalsteel

Under almost all circumstances too much protein is not a problem. But as always, stay on the safe side and have your doctor check for any reason that might prevent you from processing it like most people.

@Sunshine_88 I am gonna have to disagree with you on the idea that carbs are not the enemy. No offence, but everything I've studied about nutrition points to them as the problem

SergeantSunshine_reused

Under almost all circumstances too much protein is not a problem. But as always, stay on the safe side and have your doctor check for any reason that might prevent you from processing it like most people.

@Sunshine_88 I am gonna have to disagree with you on the idea that carbs are not the enemy. No offence, but everything I've studied about nutrition points to them as the problem

As a junior in a nutrition field I have done a lot of research and read many studies. Carbs may not be absolutely necessary, but they are nothing to fear.

Everyone will have their own opinion of course and I'll leave it at that :]

MikeSEA

Under almost all circumstances too much protein is not a problem. But as always, stay on the safe side and have your doctor check for any reason that might prevent you from processing it like most people.

@Sunshine_88 I am gonna have to disagree with you on the idea that carbs are not the enemy. No offence, but everything I've studied about nutrition points to them as the problem

As a junior in a nutrition field I have done a lot of research and read many studies. Carbs may not be absolutely necessary, but they are nothing to fear.

Everyone will have their own opinion of course and I'll leave it at that :]

Indeed. There's nothing to point to carbs a general evil. Some people don't do well with them, but that's more anecdotal than anything else. And not all carbs equal for that matter. So I'd agree that they're not the enemy.

digitalsteel

Under almost all circumstances too much protein is not a problem. But as always, stay on the safe side and have your doctor check for any reason that might prevent you from processing it like most people.

@Sunshine_88 I am gonna have to disagree with you on the idea that carbs are not the enemy. No offence, but everything I've studied about nutrition points to them as the problem

As a junior in a nutrition field I have done a lot of research and read many studies. Carbs may not be absolutely necessary, but they are nothing to fear.

Everyone will have their own opinion of course and I'll leave it at that :]

Indeed. There's nothing to point to carbs a general evil. Some people don't do well with them, but that's more anecdotal than anything else. And not all carbs equal for that matter. So I'd agree that they're not the enemy.

Your right, they are not a general evil, just the ones that cause insulin to go up. To clarify my point read this: http://health.usnews.com/health-news/diet-fitness/heart/articles/2010/04/12/eating-the-wrong-kind-of-carbohydrates-increases-heart-disease-risk

MikeSEA

Your right, they are not a general evil, just the ones that cause insulin to go up. To clarify my point read this: http://health.usnews.com/health-news/diet-fitness/heart/articles/2010/04/12/eating-the-wrong-kind-of-carbohydrates-increases-heart-disease-risk

Ooo..yeah..post hoc ergo propter hoc. That said, yes. Looking at the glycemic values of carbs and their effects on the body are worthy of study. I didn't bother reading the cited study in the article, but I don't have a high tolerance for correlative data either.

I try to have slower carbs before my workouts and faster carbs after them. They're all just tools. If you use one in a way that doesn't make sense, then yeah, you can get hurt. Carbs aren't the problem here. Behaviors are.

digitalsteel

I take offence that you imply post hoc ergo propter hoc. That was one of the quickest run downs of information regarding what I was trying to explain. I didn't bother to dig through my collected medical journals and actual study data for you, but if you read some of them I think you'd change your mind. While this is my strong opinion, science does back me on it. All I urge is for those who think all carbs are fine to check out some of the studies done on it. I don't wish to instigate hostility, but if you root through it all, we have been brainwashed on this matter into believing the wrong information.

jayb0ne

Carbs aren't the problem here. Behaviors are.

True that. No such thing as a bad carb, just a badly timed carb.

SergeantSunshine_reused

Your right, they are not a general evil, just the ones that cause insulin to go up. To clarify my point read this: http://health.usnews.com/health-news/diet-fitness/heart/articles/2010/04/12/eating-the-wrong-kind-of-carbohydrates-increases-heart-disease-risk

Ooo..yeah..post hoc ergo propter hoc. That said, yes. Looking at the glycemic values of carbs and their effects on the body are worthy of study. I didn't bother reading the cited study in the article, but I don't have a high tolerance for correlative data either.

I try to have slower carbs before my workouts and faster carbs after them. They're all just tools. If you use one in a way that doesn't make sense, then yeah, you can get hurt. Carbs aren't the problem here. Behaviors are.

Completely agree correlation =/= causation. Not exactly an article full of data or science.

MikeSEA

I take offence that you imply post hoc ergo propter hoc. That was one of the quickest run downs of information regarding what I was trying to explain. I didn't bother to dig through my collected medical journals and actual study data for you, but if you read some of them I think you'd change your mind. While this is my strong opinion, science does back me on it. All I urge is for those who think all carbs are fine to check out some of the studies done on it. I don't wish to instigate hostility, but if you root through it all, we have been brainwashed on this matter into believing the wrong information.

Offense was certainly not intended but it's neither here nor there. The article implies a correlation without proving causation. As a side note, claiming we've all been brainwashed isn't the first rhetorical moved I'd make if I wanted to appear rational.

digitalsteel

I take offence that you imply post hoc ergo propter hoc. That was one of the quickest run downs of information regarding what I was trying to explain. I didn't bother to dig through my collected medical journals and actual study data for you, but if you read some of them I think you'd change your mind. While this is my strong opinion, science does back me on it. All I urge is for those who think all carbs are fine to check out some of the studies done on it. I don't wish to instigate hostility, but if you root through it all, we have been brainwashed on this matter into believing the wrong information.

Offense was certainly not intended but it's neither here nor there. The article implies a correlation without proving causation. As a side note, claiming we've all been brainwashed isn't the first rhetorical moved I'd make if I wanted to appear rational.

Take it how you want, I don't think anyone should make a decision until they've read the data. But I'd hope my claim would at least prompt people to dig a little more. Those that have tend to agree with me.

Read Good Calories Bad Calories if you want a run down of every medical study ever done on the matter.

MikeSEA

Take it how you want, I don't think anyone should make a decision until they've read the data. But I'd hope my claim would at least prompt people to dig a little more. Those that have tend to agree with me.

So we have:

1. A claim that carbs are evil.
2. A clarification that carbs aren't evil, it's just that some carbs have different glycemic loads (I don't think you'll get an argument there).
3. An article that doesn't seem to provide a demonstrable, causal link between heart disease and carbs with higher glycemic values. They might be right, but who knows?
4. A defensive position that asserts we've been brainwashed.
5. More assertions that one's as-yet-unstated claims are not only valid but agreed with.

Listen, I'm not saying you're wrong, but you can't just say "Hey look at this idea. It has science behind it" and then link the article that you linked as back up. Not only that, but if someone refutes the article for the logical fallacy that represents, you can' just assert that you're right and assume people should believe you because you claim to have done research.

I'm open to what you have to say, but I require more than you word to be convinced.

digitalsteel

I know, I get it, I kind of expect that response. Speaking on forums is much more difficult for me than giving a lecture. I can't come across as respectable giving my information using this manor. But before you revoke me as just being nuts, I lecture on the idea that I can spark some interest in the topic. I hope that those who listen to me put their own effort into finding out what I have.

MikeSEA

I know, I get it, I kind of expect that response. Speaking on forums is much more difficult for me than giving a lecture. I can't come across as respectable giving my information using this manor. But before you revoke me as just being nuts, I lecture on the idea that I can spark some interest in the topic. I hope that those who listen to me put their own effort into finding out what I have.

I have no reason to think you're nuts...not yet anyway . It would be very irrational of me to assume you're a whack job just because your claim isn't yet well-supported. And generally I think everyone should do their own research on the topic. It does spawn conversations about authoritative sources from time to time, but that's not a bad thing either.

sallywilson06

Just wondering, but I thought that there were good carbs and bad carbs. The Good carbs are 100% whole grain and the bad carbs are the "Enriched" ones that are just fillers and have empty calories.. the whole grain is best because it fills you up and gives you energy and the Enriched is just empty... Right?

MikeSEA

"good" and "bad" are qualifiers that need a context. Let's compare steel-cut oatmeal and yukon gold potato, for example. They're both carbs. They provide fuel for the body. They're both not processed (much), but they affect the body differently.

Some people would have you believe that that "white" carby potato is bad for you. It does 'hit your system' quicker, certainly, but if you've just finished running several miles, that's not a bad thing. Likewise the steel-cuts would release energy more slowly and would be better consumed before your workout.

Sidesteal

@Sunshine_88 I am gonna have to disagree with you on the idea that carbs are not the enemy. No offence, but everything I've studied about nutrition points to them as the problem

Not during caloric deficits they aren't.

Sidesteal

Your right, they are not a general evil, just the ones that cause insulin to go up.

Insulin is also not the enemy.

I would very much encourage you read the following:
http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=319

digitalsteel

@Sunshine_88 I am gonna have to disagree with you on the idea that carbs are not the enemy. No offence, but everything I've studied about nutrition points to them as the problem

Not during caloric deficits they aren't.

I beg to differ. Insulin prevents the metabolization of body fat. It is what is responsible for locking fat into triglycerides that are too big to leave your fat cells. Your body burns carbs first because they are toxic to you if the amount of glucose produced raises your total blood sugar to more than 5 grams.

Sidesteal

I beg to differ. Insulin prevents the metabolization of body fat. It is what is responsible for locking fat into triglycerides that are too big to leave your fat cells. Your body burns carbs first because they are toxic to you if the amount of glucose produced raises your total blood sugar to more than 5 grams.

Please read the article I attached.
EDIT: I won't bother to paraphrase the article. I would suggest you read it and offer your opinion after you have read it.

digitalsteel

I beg to differ. Insulin prevents the metabolization of body fat. It is what is responsible for locking fat into triglycerides that are too big to leave your fat cells. Your body burns carbs first because they are toxic to you if the amount of glucose produced raises your total blood sugar to more than 5 grams.

Please read the article I attached.
EDIT: I won't bother to paraphrase the article. I would suggest you read it and offer your opinion after you have read it.

You realize the information found in this is based on one, highly discredited resource http://bja.oxfordjournals.org/content/85/1/69.full.pdf+html

If you must take that as your evidence, very well, its your body.

Sidesteal

You realize the information found in this is based on one, highly discredited resource http://bja.oxfordjournals.org/content/85/1/69.full.pdf+html

If you must take that as your evidence, very well, its your body.

Edited, I'll play nice. We will agree to disagree on this, good day and good luck with your fitness goals.