New to low carb, can somebody look at my meal plan?

HunterCML

A lot of people in this thread do not realize that carbs are very rarely ever stored as fat. This phenomenon is called "de novo lipogenesis" and only occurs in massive overfeeding of carbs (about 700-900grams per day for multiple days). Carbohydrates are used for immediate oxidation and energy or stored as glycogen for later use.

I recommend that some of you educate yourselves by reading this article: http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/how-we-get-fat.html

Grokette

I can understand you wanting to be on a low carb diet but you are not having that I can see, surely that diary doesn't get to 1500 calories, I struggle to eat 1500 calories and I eat a lot more than that. I was seeing a dietitian and she said by not eating carbs at night by the time breakfast came around I was putting my body into starvation mode again because of the lack of food over night. When the body goes into starvation mode it store the food you eat as fat because it doesn't know when the next lot of food will come.

Starvation mode does not occur that fast, meaning overnight.

The key to a low carb plan is to keep fat intake high, protein moderate and carbs low.

I have been low carbing off and on for the past 8 years and had kept 100 pound weight loss maintained until i had a car accident in 2008 in which i gained back about 65 pounds in a very short time frame.

I dedicated myself 1000% in February 2011 and will never eat another way again as this is how i maintain control of ny medical issues.

mynameisuntz

Starvation mode does not occur that fast, meaning overnight.

The key to a low carb plan is to keep fat intake high, protein moderate and carbs low.

I have been low carbing off and on for the past 8 years and had kept 100 pound weight loss maintained until i had a car accident in 2008 in which i gained back about 65 pounds in a very short time frame.

I dedicated myself 1000% in February 2011 and will never eat another way again as this is how i maintain control of ny medical issues.

Please respond.

Grokette

Diabetics eat low carb for 2 reasons. One is YES, to prevent weight gain and the other reason is to control blood glucose levels so the body does not have to keep over producing insulin, which again leads to uncontrollable weight gain.

Yes, it is. You can't tell me (who is diabetic) what you THINK you know. I said it in the best layman terms I can without getting too sciencey and technical about it.

I will not go back and forth arguing with you like you did in the other forum last night.

If you are so against low carb - then do not come into these forums.

You are telling me the reason diabetic people don't eat higher carbs is to prevent fat gain? Under what mechanism would they gain fat via carbs if they don't even elicit an INSULIN RESPONSE? High levels of blood glucose = very dangerous, as that's how limbs get amputated and blindness occurs. The main reason to adopt a lower carb diet is to prevent losing a foot; not gaining an extra pound of fat.

Way to avoid my statement regarding CHO metabolization. Do you disagree that carbs are stored as glycogen? Or do you believe they are immediately stored as fat? Can you outline the conditions under which de novo lipogenesis can occur? Because if you can't, I don't believe you are in a position to talk about the conditions under which carbs are converted to and stored as lipids.

Come on. You sent me a private message saying I have no idea what I'm talking about. Let's see you prove me wrong.

Timdog57

I can understand you wanting to be on a low carb diet but you are not having that I can see, surely that diary doesn't get to 1500 calories, I struggle to eat 1500 calories and I eat a lot more than that. I was seeing a dietitian and she said by not eating carbs at night by the time breakfast came around I was putting my body into starvation mode again because of the lack of food over night. When the body goes into starvation mode it store the food you eat as fat because it doesn't know when the next lot of food will come.

Oh no!! Your dietician is very wrong if they told you that. The research shows that "starvation mode" doesn't begin until you've fasted for 60 (or more) hours, and the research also shows that in the short term (up to 48 hours) there's an increase in metabolism when fasting.

If your dietician said that to you, I would strongly recomend you find a new dietician!

mynameisuntz

Diabetics eat low carb for 2 reasons. One is YES, to prevent weight gain and the other reason is to control blood glucose levels so the body does not have to keep over producing insulin, which again leads to uncontrollable weight gain.

I'm not too up to date on how the symptoms of type I differ from type II (I dated a girl with type I, and my cousin has it - I just know type I is genetic and type II is environmental), but high carb doesn't necessarily = weight gain in type I assuming your insulin regimen is solid. How does this differ in type II?

And why are you ignoring my questions regarding the body's response to carbs and how they are metabolized? Do you believe carbs are stored as glycogen or fat? Under what conditions will carbs be converted to fat?

HunterCML

Diabetics eat low carb for 2 reasons. One is YES, to prevent weight gain and the other reason is to control blood glucose levels so the body does not have to keep over producing insulin, which again leads to uncontrollable weight gain.

With consideration to the Laws of Thermodynamics and the biochemical metabolic pathways of carbohydrate oxidation and storage; can you please explain to me in detail how carbohydrate intake can effect body weight/composition in a way that negates basic energy balance properties?

Please respond.

Mike201011BB

Oh untz is trolling. All the research he can present is equally or more flawed than any research low-carbers can present.

This x1000000.



Just give up Untz you cheeky mate.



not srs. Please respond.

mynameisuntz

Oh untz is trolling. All the research he can present is equally or more flawed than any research low-carbers can present.

Yeah, those isocaloric diets where protein intake is consistent along with activity levels? Oh, and done on humans? Major design flaws there!

Stick to your research done on rats or done in diets that DON'T CONTROL FOR CALORIES.

Timdog57

So, I understand that you guys don't believe that carbs make you fat, but do you also think that restricting carb intake does not increase fat burning?

Mike201011BB

My name is Untz too.








Is such a thing even possible?







Yes it is.

Mike201011BB

So, I understand that you guys don't believe that carbs make you fat, but do you also think that restricting carb intake does not increase fat burning?

Fat is burned through a decreased amount of calories below your maintenance. End of. Dont overthink things.



You could eat no carbs at all, just a load of protein, and still gain alot of fat.

Grokette

Diabetics eat low carb for 2 reasons. One is YES, to prevent weight gain and the other reason is to control blood glucose levels so the body does not have to keep over producing insulin, which again leads to uncontrollable weight gain.

I'm not too up to date on how the symptoms of type I differ from type II (I dated a girl with type I, and my cousin has it - I just know type I is genetic and type II is environmental), but high carb doesn't necessarily = weight gain in type I assuming your insulin regimen is solid. How does this differ in type II?

And why are you ignoring my questions regarding the body's response to carbs and how they are metabolized? Do you believe carbs are stored as glycogen or fat? Under what conditions will carbs be converted to fat?

I am at work and on my phone for the short bit. I will respond when i return to my office.

mynameisuntz

So, I understand that you guys don't believe that carbs make you fat, but do you also think that restricting carb intake does not increase fat burning?

Hypocaloric diets increase fat burning. The difference between a high carb diet and low carb diet (assuming protein intake is consistent) does not pan out long term.

That is, low carb diets see more immediate weight loss due to water loss (remember 1g stored carbs holds 3-5g water). After 3-6+ months, all studies show the weight loss between higher carb diets to be comparable to low carb diets assuming calories and protein are the same. Along with activity level.

So - no, there is no metabolic advantage to a low carb diet.

Sidesteal

Fat is burned through a decreased amount of calories below your maintenance. End of. Dont overthink things.



You could eat no carbs at all, just a load of protein, and still gain alot of fat.

^ This.

jmeeej

Why does every thread about low carb/atkins/primal/paleo have to turn into a ****ing debate?

Do you guys not have anything better to do?

Nette_54

I can understand you wanting to be on a low carb diet but you are not having that I can see, surely that diary doesn't get to 1500 calories, I struggle to eat 1500 calories and I eat a lot more than that. I was seeing a dietitian and she said by not eating carbs at night by the time breakfast came around I was putting my body into starvation mode again because of the lack of food over night. When the body goes into starvation mode it store the food you eat as fat because it doesn't know when the next lot of food will come.

Starvation mode does not occur that fast, meaning overnight.

The key to a low carb plan is to keep fat intake high, protein moderate and carbs low.

I have been low carbing off and on for the past 8 years and had kept 100 pound weight loss maintained until i had a car accident in 2008 in which i gained back about 65 pounds in a very short time frame.

I dedicated myself 1000% in February 2011 and will never eat another way again as this is how i maintain control of ny medical issues.

I didn't say "starvation mode" starts overnight if I skip carbs on one night but it is an overall thing and it was my qualified dietitian who my doctor referred me to so I trust her knowledge on the matter of weight loss

Besides that I certainly wouldn't want to spend the rest of my life with hardly any carbs on a "diet" that means I cannot eat yummy things ever again. The best thing to do is learn to eat in a healthy way where so I can still have the treats sometimes.

Timdog57

So, I understand that you guys don't believe that carbs make you fat, but do you also think that restricting carb intake does not increase fat burning?

Fat is burned through a decreased amount of calories below your maintenance. End of. Dont overthink things.



You could eat no carbs at all, just a load of protein, and still gain alot of fat.

Okay, but do you not think that fat metabolism is increased when carb intake is low? What does the body use for energy if it doesn't have carbs coming in?

mynameisuntz

Okay, but do you not think that fat metabolism is increased when carb intake is low? What does the body use for energy if it doesn't have carbs coming in?

Missing half the picture.

When you reduce carbs, keep protein consistent, and subsequently increase fat - what do you think all that fat is getting stored as?

Dietary fat is immediately stored as fat. The catch to a low carb diet which DOES result in a higher fat burn is this: you also GAIN more fat due to increased dietary fat. So you burn more fat because of the fact that you are also gaining more fat.

Higher carbs means you gain less fat and burn less fat. Higher fat means you gain more fat and burn more fat. But the NET fat burn is the same in both cases.

Make sense?

Mike201011BB

So, I understand that you guys don't believe that carbs make you fat, but do you also think that restricting carb intake does not increase fat burning?

Fat is burned through a decreased amount of calories below your maintenance. End of. Dont overthink things.



You could eat no carbs at all, just a load of protein, and still gain alot of fat.

Okay, but do you not think that fat metabolism is increased when carb intake is low? What does the body use for energy if it doesn't have carbs coming in?

What Untz said...

Timdog57

Okay, but do you not think that fat metabolism is increased when carb intake is low? What does the body use for energy if it doesn't have carbs coming in?

Missing half the picture.

When you reduce carbs, keep protein consistent, and subsequently increase fat - what do you think all that fat is getting stored as?

Dietary fat is immediately stored as fat. The catch to a low carb diet which DOES result in a higher fat burn is this: you also GAIN more fat due to increased dietary fat. So you burn more fat because of the fact that you are also gaining more fat.

Higher carbs means you gain less fat and burn less fat. Higher fat means you gain more fat and burn more fat. But the NET fat burn is the same in both cases.

Make sense?

But I thought you just said that hypocaloric diets cause fat metabolism... So are you now saying that isn't true in the case of dietary fat intake? Are you saying that if someone is restricting calories, the dietary fat that they're taking in is still being stored as fat?

You still didn't answer my question? What is the body using for energy, if it's not taking in carbs?

jmeeej

Missing half the picture.

When you reduce carbs, keep protein consistent, and subsequently increase fat - what do you think all that fat is getting stored as?

Dietary fat is immediately stored as fat. The catch to a low carb diet which DOES result in a higher fat burn is this: you also GAIN more fat due to increased dietary fat. So you burn more fat because of the fact that you are also gaining more fat.

Higher carbs means you gain less fat and burn less fat. Higher fat means you gain more fat and burn more fat. But the NET fat burn is the same in both cases.

Make sense?

This is one of the most wrong statements I've seen on this forum yet.

Do you know what triggers the body to store energy????

INSULIN

Without insulin the body does not go into storage mode.

The whole point of low carb eating plans is the reduce the amount of insulin in the blood stream.


Dietary fat doesn't just go from your stomach to your thighs. Stop spewing all of this garbage on these forums and educate yourself on the metabolic pathways of energy storage/usage.

Read up on the Insulin/Leptin response.

Mike201011BB

Okay, but do you not think that fat metabolism is increased when carb intake is low? What does the body use for energy if it doesn't have carbs coming in?

Missing half the picture.

When you reduce carbs, keep protein consistent, and subsequently increase fat - what do you think all that fat is getting stored as?

Dietary fat is immediately stored as fat. The catch to a low carb diet which DOES result in a higher fat burn is this: you also GAIN more fat due to increased dietary fat. So you burn more fat because of the fact that you are also gaining more fat.

Higher carbs means you gain less fat and burn less fat. Higher fat means you gain more fat and burn more fat. But the NET fat burn is the same in both cases.

Make sense?

But I thought you just said that hypocaloric diets cause fat metabolism... So are you now saying that isn't true in the case of dietary fat intake? Are you saying that if someone is restricting calories, the dietary fat that they're taking in is still being stored as fat?

You still didn't answer my question? What is the body using for energy, if it's not taking in carbs?

Calories are used for energy if Im not mistaken?

Donna_T_B

If excess carbs make me so tired that I can't function and very restricted carbs gives me much more energy, then I'd say my low carb diet does have an affect on my metabolism.

And to answer the question above, without carbs coming in, fat is used for energy. And that's a good thing.

HunterCML

All of you really need to read article and educate yourselves, because most of you are very confused.

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nutrition/nutrient-intake-nutrient-storage-and-nutrient-oxidation.html

mynameisuntz

But I thought you just said that hypocaloric diets cause fat metabolism... So are you now saying that isn't true in the case of dietary fat intake? Are you saying that if someone is restricting calories, the dietary fat that they're taking in is still being stored as fat?

You still didn't answer my question? What is the body using for energy, if it's not taking in carbs?

Ugh.

Hypocaloric diets = NET fat metabolism.

Eating meals with dietary fat = TEMPORARY fat gain.

I am saying you gain more fat from all the instances of eating dietary fat adding up throughout the day - each of these instances = fat gain. But in the presence of a hypocaloric diet, you will see a NET loss in fat.

Don't miss the forest for the trees. We gain and lose fat every minute of every day. Our bodies are doing one or the other at all times. More dietary fat intake = more instances of gaining fat, but that doesn't negate the fact that you will BURN that fat in the presence of a hypocaloric diet.

lockef

Wow, the OP asked if a meal was good for going low carb and it turned into this?

There are a lot of benefits to doing a ketogenic diet (protein/muscle sparing, suppressed appetite...). Although it's true that you're calorie intake needs to be lower than what you burn, for some, carbohydrates have a huge effect on how hungry you feel and your energy level. Some people do fine eating large amounts of carbohydrates and can feel full when staying at or under their calorie goal. For others (IR), eating carbohydrates does nothing for satiety and even though they've consumed enough energy, they still feel hungry.

It's up to everyone to find their own balance.

*ninja edit

mynameisuntz

This is one of the most wrong statements I've seen on this forum yet.

Do you know what triggers the body to store energy????

INSULIN

Without insulin the body does not go into storage mode.

Fat gain CAN AND DOES OCCUR EVEN WHEN INSULIN IS NOT BEING SECRETED. If you think insulin is THE ONLY means in which our body gains and stores fat, then you are seriously mistaken. This line of thinking would tell you that eating 20,000 calories of pure olive oil would not result in fat gain. Does that sound reasonable to you?

The whole point of low carb eating plans is the reduce the amount of insulin in the blood stream.

Dietary fat doesn't just go from your stomach to your thighs. Stop spewing all of this garbage on these forums and educate yourself on the metabolic pathways of energy storage/usage.

Read up on the Insulin/Leptin response.

I know what "the point" of low carb is - and I am telling you it is no better. Protein secretes an insulin response, too. Should we avoid protein? inb4 glucagon.

Tell me the conditions under which carbs are stored as fat. You make it sound like the second you eat carbs, you store fat. Are you aware that carbs are stored as fat via the metabolic pathway known as de novo lipogenesis which is rarely, IF EVER, activated in people who eat healthy and exercise?

mynameisuntz

Everyone - before responding further, PLEASE read the following: http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/how-we-get-fat.html

If you have any contentions with that article, which should take 5 minutes to read, bring it up here. I'd love to hear it.

jmeeej

You are getting on everyones nerves