French Women Don't Get Fat
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I'm in here to say that I love the Burro. Yep. Love him. He's quite intelligent and very helpful. I could comment about other people's senses of humor, but...nah, I'm gonna be positive. Burro has been an amazing help to me in many ways.
I will say that I can certainly see the parallel in the two statements "French women don't get fat" and "French women don't shave their underarms." Both are stereotypes, and are not wholly true. But maybe the delivery was too subtle for some. Personally, I laughed.
Staying on topic: my neighbor is from France and told me that French women are thin because they smoke and drink and walk everywhere--in that order. She's an amazingly funny, very large, woman in her 70s who doesn't shave and tells me how silly I am for doing it. I love her too. She's such a cool chick.
ETA: TL;DR - I Burro. I also my unshaven French neighbor lady. 0 -
I'm in here to say that I love the Burro. Yep. Love him. He's quite intelligent and very helpful. I could comment about other people's senses of humor, but...nah, I'm gonna be positive. Burro has been an amazing help to me in many ways.
I will say that I can certainly see the parallel in the two statements "French women don't get fat" and "French women don't shave their underarms." Both are stereotypes, and are not wholly true. But maybe the delivery was too subtle for some. Personally, I laughed.
Staying on topic: my neighbor is from France and told me that French women are thin because they smoke and drink and walk everywhere--in that order. She's an amazingly funny, very large, woman in her 70s who doesn't shave and tells me how silly I am for doing it. I love her too. She's such a cool chick.
ETA: TL;DR - I Burro. I also my unshaven French neighbor lady.
I laughed, and was hoping for hairy armpit gifs, but I was disappointed. I Burro, too! 0 -
really?2009?
c'monnnnnnn.0 -
That's the part I laughed about most. :laugh:really?2009?
c'monnnnnnn.0 -
I'm a portion French, guess its my legs .. the rest of me enjoys getting fat.:laugh:0
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I'm in here to say that I love the Burro. Yep. Love him. He's quite intelligent and very helpful. I could comment about other people's senses of humor, but...nah, I'm gonna be positive. Burro has been an amazing help to me in many ways.
I will say that I can certainly see the parallel in the two statements "French women don't get fat" and "French women don't shave their underarms." Both are stereotypes, and are not wholly true. But maybe the delivery was too subtle for some. Personally, I laughed.
Staying on topic: my neighbor is from France and told me that French women are thin because they smoke and drink and walk everywhere--in that order. She's an amazingly funny, very large, woman in her 70s who doesn't shave and tells me how silly I am for doing it. I love her too. She's such a cool chick.
ETA: TL;DR - I Burro. I also my unshaven French neighbor lady.
I laughed, and was hoping for hairy armpit gifs, but I was disappointed. I Burro, too!
That IS funny cause I see the utter absurdity of it also. Someone titles a book to grab attention and get peoples' interest in picking it up to have a look, a smart move on her part as it worked. And then made it a bestseller, as it is a book that actually inside offers a lot of good old fashioned common sense advice and wisdom. Then, years later, some anonymous person on a weight loss 'support' site, who has never even read the book, decides to issue a commentary on the entire book, along with the puported opinion and perspective of it's author based on the title of her book, without knowing anything about her.
Yes, you are describing something funny. But intelligent and helpful? That's open to individual interpretation I suppose.0 -
You get out of life what you put in. :flowerforyou:I'm in here to say that I love the Burro. Yep. Love him. He's quite intelligent and very helpful. I could comment about other people's senses of humor, but...nah, I'm gonna be positive. Burro has been an amazing help to me in many ways.
I will say that I can certainly see the parallel in the two statements "French women don't get fat" and "French women don't shave their underarms." Both are stereotypes, and are not wholly true. But maybe the delivery was too subtle for some. Personally, I laughed.
Staying on topic: my neighbor is from France and told me that French women are thin because they smoke and drink and walk everywhere--in that order. She's an amazingly funny, very large, woman in her 70s who doesn't shave and tells me how silly I am for doing it. I love her too. She's such a cool chick.
ETA: TL;DR - I Burro. I also my unshaven French neighbor lady.
I laughed, and was hoping for hairy armpit gifs, but I was disappointed. I Burro, too!
That IS funny cause I see the utter absurdity of it also. Someone titles a book to grab attention and get peoples' interest in picking it up to have a look, a smart move on her part as it worked. And then made it a bestseller, as it is a book that actually inside offers a lot of good old fashioned common sense advice and wisdom. Then, years later, some anonymous person on a weight loss 'support' site, who has never even read the book, decides to issue a commentary on the entire book, along with the puported opinion and perspective of it's author based on the title of her book, without knowing anything about her.
Yes, you are describing something funny. But intelligent and helpful? That's open to individual interpretation I suppose.0 -
I was in Paris a couple days ago.
There were plenty of fat girls...0 -
I prefer non-fiction.Has anyone read this book? What did you think??? I just started reading it tonight.0 -
I was in Paris a couple days ago.
There were plenty of fat girls...
Were those Tourists?0 -
Now I really want to know if she ever finished it.Has anyone read this book? What did you think??? I just started reading it tonight.0 -
#teamBurro0
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I have been to France. LOL! There are fat people that are french. Just not as many as there are here. Reason one, The French walk every where. Two, most cities are very small and set up for foot travel, Three, They do not have the extra cash to buy all the junk food. Its really expensive.0
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I was in Paris a couple days ago.
There were plenty of fat girls...
Were those Tourists?
You really think there are no fat french people? How about India where starvation is close to the norm. Do you think there are no fat women there too? If so please message me. I have some great beautiful land to sell you! Really you need this land!0 -
#teamBurro
Oh good. I'm sure that's exactly what this thread should be about.
Back on topic, and to the people that commented on the rise of obesityin France, completely true. As it has risen almost everywhere, France is no exception. I've seen the author of the book comment on that numerous times as well.
Here is an interesting article from 2008 on her perspective at the time. Whatever your thoughts are on whether America is really exporting obesity, the article itself is interesting. And I would say her perspective on all cultures, US included, turn towards less traditional habits in our age of technology has indeed played a factor in the obesity epidemic.
Here is the article, originally from Newsweek in 2008:
Excess and the Culture of Obesity
Newsweek, September 2008
Just because many Americans have come to accept being overweight doesn't mean the rest of the world has to.
By: Mireille Guiliano
America gives the world many things—movies, pop culture, fast food, airplanes, military equipment—but the culture of obesity is turning out to be its leading export. When I wrote French Women Don’t Get Fat, I thought I was writing a cross-cultural comparison of eating between America and France. Thirty-seven languages, thousands of articles, e-mails, and continuing interviews from all around the world, I have come to understand that the causes and effects of poor eating have no borders.
There is no country without fat people, even France with its still low obesity figures: 10 percent women, 11 percent men (and I believe the figures are skewed as France has turned into a melting pot). The figures in Germany, Russia, Brazil, England, and Australia are much worse though do not come close to the US. Recent global projections are even more frightening: between 2005 and 2015 the number of obese people on the planet will go from 400 million to 1.6 billion.
America, though, continues to lead the parade. Thirty five percent of women are obese, defined as having over thirty percent body fat, as are twenty percent of men, with at least twenty five percent body fat. The percentage of overweight men (those whose body fat measures between 18 and 24 percent) and women (between twenty five and thirty one percent) is nearly double those figures. But don't rely on statistics, just look around. America, though, continues to lead the parade. I recently went to Orlando, Florida to open the annual six-week wine and food festival at Epcot. The smiling guide who met me at the airport was in her 20s, tall and way overweight. During our car ride to the hotel, I learned she likes her job, likes to eat but not to cook, and--no surprise--she loves sweets. Three days later, I had met more than a half dozen similarly highly educated, well trained and passionate young employees and the picture was one and the same: delightful, dedicated people but all overweight.
What’s most shocking is that people, especially women in America, are accepting being overweight as the norm. Many are not the least bit self conscious. And while many governments and the international media have only recently awakened to the obesity crisis and its many costs, though the arrows have been pointing to this crisis for decades in America, yet things continue to get worse.
Americans are certainly more extreme about their food than I see in other countries. Some live off pizza and fast and prepared foods. Others eat, say, only organic or vegan. I recently met a lovely woman who e-mailed me that she was coming to Paris and if I were there, perhaps we could share a meal. Sure. I arranged for us to go to a landmark restaurant. Well, it turned out she occasionally ate meat, but she did not want to taste the duck. And could she have a simple salad for a starter? She is allergic to shellfish and nuts (does anyone remember so many allergies thirty years ago?). And she does not drink wine.
Dieting shows off America’s extremism. And, of course, if dieting worked, there would not be so many heavy and obese people. Our diet gurus of the moment are the grand marshals of our endless parade of “scientifically” devised regimens based on the radical elimination of particular foods in favor of others. When you consider the range of foods that have had their moment in the sun--cabbage soup, grapefruit, low fat, high protein, low carbs--it’s hard to believe that each magic-bullet was aimed at the same human metabolism.
In advocating regulated gastronomic pleasure instead of diets as the most powerful tool of weight control, I have made an unexpected observation: Americans, while still committed to weight loss in principle, are answering diet fatigue in two ways. The obvious one is surrender. The other, oddly, is to stay the course: diet indefinitely in an attempt to lose weight and keep it off. Now that’s a grim thought; no pleasure, no fun. Americans are being pushed to the unthinkable: perpetual dieting to be perpetually overweight.
We didn’t get this way overnight. When I first moved to New York in 1973, I could easily spot the products and trends—Haagen Daz, ATMS-- that would appear in France five or ten years later. Today everything seems to be happening faster. In 10 years the number of brands of yogurt in France has gone from 100 to 1000--many produced by the industrial factories injecting “artificials,” and some even adding corn syrup, America’s signature additive.
To be fair, we are all facing the traps of the 21st century: too little time, too much stress. Too much work, too little sleep and exercise. Too much consumption--not only of food but of handbags, shoes, and electronic gadgets. Too many options. But rather than succumb to the culture of convenience, we must be more vigilant than ever in standing up the agribusinesses and dietary industrial complex that control our menus and waistlines.
Americans need nothing less than regime change in the way we relate to food. And regime changes take time—months, not weeks, as diets propose. Developing a sense and appreciation of what is good and satisfying to eat, and of what is a proper portion, is a matter of practice and gradual conditioning. It’s entirely personal and self-regulatory. An individual's best way to eat is found not by following a pyramid or menu chart, but by following one’s tastes. To distinguish true pleasures from idle calories, people must eat as diversely as possible and avoid too much of any one thing (contra diet-think).
And they must pay a little more for unprocessed, high-quality food, as the French do despite lower income per capita than Americans. People I meet are astonished to find that for most just entering this mindset leads to heightened sensory experience, contentment with less, and (drum roll, please) permanent weight control. Some have already figured it out: a good breakfast, three meals a day, lots of soups, fruits, veggies and water, sensible snacks like (real) yogurt, eating local and following the fresh ingredients of each season.
As someone who has observed America’s relationship to food changing―mainly for the worse―over the past 25 years, I thought a few years ago, we'd hit rock bottom. Naively, I thought that through education and awareness, people would learn to change their relationship with food and lose weight and feel good. Wrong. It hurts to see my adoptive homeland wasting a whole generation. Brillat Savarin, the great 18th-century French gastronome noted “The destiny of a nation depends on how it feeds itself.” Where are we going? And why is everyone following?0 -
As a french girl, I think this book is a cliché (isn't it obvious? it's like saying every american is overweight/obese)... idk why people think that ALL french women are skinny... it's true that most of them are but NOT all of them obviously
! And i think french food is really different from America or anywhere else but at the end of the day we can still eat unhealthy by adding other ingredients (sauces, oils and so on) on our foods ! 0 -
I was in Paris a couple days ago.
There were plenty of fat girls...
I was one of them xD0 -
#teamBurro part 2...
cheer up Orange Shirt Lady, it is hump day after all :flowerforyou:0 -
they don't shave their underarms either.
...so pick your poison. *shrugs*
That's not true, by the way.
Oh and I'm French. And I'm here. And I've met quite a few fat women there.
its definitely true. i was shocked that the French stereotype of underarm hair and bad body odor was true. at least in Paris it was.
on the flip side i dont recall anyone being rude. in fact most were quite helpful.0 -
As a french girl, I think this book is a cliché (isn't it obvious? it's like saying every american is overweight/obese)... idk why people think that ALL french women are skinny... it's true that most of them are but NOT all of them obviously ! And i think french food is really different from America or anywhere else but at the end of the day we can still eat unhealthy by adding other ingredients (sauces, oils and so on) on our foods !
Have you read the book, or do you just base that on the title?
And as to you being in Paris, I'm sure you were just another lovely girl in a lovely city. Our weight doesn't define us.0 -
they don't shave their underarms either.
...so pick your poison. *shrugs*
That's not true, by the way.
Oh and I'm French. And I'm here. And I've met quite a few fat women there.
its definitely true. i was shocked that the French stereotype of underarm hair and bad body odor was true. at least in Paris it was.
on the flip side i dont recall anyone being rude. in fact most were quite helpful.
I guess that would leave a couple reasons why they wouldn't post here then. :indifferent:0 -
they don't shave their underarms either.
...so pick your poison. *shrugs*
That's not true, by the way.
Oh and I'm French. And I'm here. And I've met quite a few fat women there.
its definitely true. i was shocked that the French stereotype of underarm hair and bad body odor was true. at least in Paris it was.
on the flip side i dont recall anyone being rude. in fact most were quite helpful.
LOL that's because we walk a lot. So we sweat a lot. And then we stink because of the underarm hair.
But the good thing is we are all very skinny because we smoke and drink wine all day long (and also, we are too poor to buy fastfood)
French women stink but don't get fat0 -
they don't shave their underarms either.
...so pick your poison. *shrugs*
That's not true, by the way.
Oh and I'm French. And I'm here. And I've met quite a few fat women there.
its definitely true. i was shocked that the French stereotype of underarm hair and bad body odor was true. at least in Paris it was.
on the flip side i dont recall anyone being rude. in fact most were quite helpful.
LOL that's because we walk a lot. So we sweat a lot. And then we stink because of the underarm hair.
But the good thing is we are all very skinny because we smoke and drink wine all day long (and also, we are too poor to buy fastfood)
French women stink but don't get fat
nah...this wasnt an odor from sweat/walking it was an odor of not having bathed in a couple/several days. in one instance i had to hold my breath every time our server came over because she smelled so bad.0 -
nah...this wasnt an odor from sweat/walking it was an odor of not having bathed in a couple/several days. in one instance i had to hold my breath every time our server came over because she smelled so bad.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge0 -
nah...this wasnt an odor from sweat/walking it was an odor of not having bathed in a couple/several days. in one instance i had to hold my breath every time our server came over because she smelled so bad.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge
you too!0 -
they don't shave their underarms either.
...so pick your poison. *shrugs*
That's not true, by the way.
Oh and I'm French. And I'm here. And I've met quite a few fat women there.
its definitely true. i was shocked that the French stereotype of underarm hair and bad body odor was true. at least in Paris it was.
on the flip side i dont recall anyone being rude. in fact most were quite helpful.
LOL that's because we walk a lot. So we sweat a lot. And then we stink because of the underarm hair.
But the good thing is we are all very skinny because we smoke and drink wine all day long (and also, we are too poor to buy fastfood)
French women stink but don't get fat
No no that is not stink that is the smell of a real woman je t'aime her passionate French fire burning so bright it creates fumes of seduction and lust. Yes, now we know...we know the secret of the french woman.0 -
I lived over there for a while and I can promise you they do. lol.
It's just the accent kind of overpowers it with sexy.0 -
Maybe she has to work this weekend? Maybe today is her Monday...:sad: Monday's make me crabby, but Burro cheers me up.#teamBurro part 2...
cheer up Orange Shirt Lady, it is hump day after all :flowerforyou:
I think this thread can be about pretty much whatever we want it to, since it's 4 years old now. But I am enjoying the different perspectives and experiences re: the French woman stereotype.
I'm curious though: Ms Orange Shirt Lady, when you met the author, how closely did you check her hygiene? You mentioned that it was immaculate. Which cultural standard did you use?0 -
White men can't dance!
Oh I thought we were throwing out random stereotypes
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I like watermelon, fried chicken, and grape Nehi soda.0
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