diet soda or no diet soda
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I wish people would stop acting like nutritional benefits should be the ONLY reason we eat/drink things.
Sod that!
We eat and drink things because they TASTE GOOD! How do you put a value on something that makes this whole journey a lot more manageable, and may even stop you falling off, giving up, binging, regaining all the weight, and ending up really, REALLY unhealthy?
Take the stick out of your *kitten* and get some flavour!
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Take the stick out of your *kitten* and get some flavour!
I'll give ya somethin to eat that has some flavor
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Take the stick out of your *kitten* and get some flavour!
I'll give ya somethin to eat that has some flavor
ZING!
Hmm..yeah...i could have worded that better... =/0 -
I had a really good answer the last time around. I should've saved it.0
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I wish people would stop acting like nutritional benefits should be the ONLY reason we eat/drink things.
I wish we didn't live in a world where we obtained any sort of pleasure from food. It'd me a lot more manageable if we ate because we had to, not because we wanted to....
Though now that I'm saying that, there's likely a reason why food tastes good, probably a similar reason as to why sex feels goood..0 -
I wish we didn't live in a world where we obtained any sort of pleasure from food.
I would hate to live in that world.0 -
Love the guilt trip post (long assed one too).
Niner isn't advocating LIVING on these foods. Having them once in awhile isn't bad.
You use TOOTHPASTE right? It's actually poison in large armounts. But we accidently injest small amounts of it everyday/
i hit post and went to gym, knew the minions would be posting whilst i was gone.
1- my post actually wasn't that long the ingredients took up most of the space. ahhh okay maybe i was a bit wordy, sorry i'm a native NY-er~ i talk fast, think fast and type fast. you win that point, i should've made my post shorter.
2- Niner (guess you're on first name terms, lol) isn't "advocating" (your word, not mine but is a very good word to use here) these products? then explain why he has something like 25 posts on this thread coming back and pouncing on anyone that dares to say anything negative about the poison known as diet soda? complete w/ links too (as i explained in my original post anyone can post links to back up anything, we could have a link war all day, proves nothing). that is not advocating? check the dictionary.
3- no sorry sweetie i do not use poisonous toothpaste. i'm actually a bit weird as i like to have a large assortment of oral hygiene products with name brands ranging from Auromere to Tom's of Maine to Sea Salt. etc. none will do harm if ingested. actually i don't *think* there is anything in my home that if ingested would kill you? (besides another human there is a wide assortment of different species in my home that it is my responsibility to heal, keep safe, not harm).0 -
If you read the article, studies weren't only done by Hall. I also quoted EFSA and Ramazzini Foundation. Are they unreliable too?
~lol,i'm not going to play quote/link wars w/ you. it is a foolish game that no one can win. (and btw posting links and actually having the education to fully understand them are 2 different things).can you honestly sit there and look at your McRib (from another thread) and diet coke lunch and think it is good for you?
Yes. I make a smiley face when I eat them and drink them. Feel good place.
~well if you practiced true clean eating like i do then you would react like i did the one and only time i tasted any McDonld's product- spit out that first horrid bite and threw the rest in the trash. i did eat a few of the french fries but i felt like i had gotten enough salt for the month and they left this rancid grease coating in my mouth. *shudder*
why oh why do you equate healthy food as "sad" and food and drink that any 12 years old knows is not good for you as "happy"? it is that mentality that keeps these companies rolling out the crap to make America fat and unhealthy. i was not sad when i was typing last past eating my hummus- i was loving every bite. it tasted "clean" and being someone that was raised on clean eating my taste buds find no happiness in something like diet soda- it tastes like harsh chemicals w/ bubbles to me.I've done my research. I've also lived my research. 40+ years of eating Mcdonald's and no issues. Not one. Same with diet soda. If your choice is to live as "healthy" as possible and eat nothing but natural foods, then have at it. I eat what I want in moderation (especially the high saturated fatty foods of my culture) and enjoy it. Health to me is about living a life with fun and happiness, not eating natural whole foods for the rest of my life. Unhappiness isn't being healthy.
~lol, no harm that you know of. it's not so much the 1st 40 years that the effects are demonstrated- watch out for that 2nd 40 though....
and again the mentality that unhealthy food/drink is somehow tied to "happiness" and "fun"....you've swallowed the kool-aid of advertising dude. you must deserve a break today....maybe a McDonald's Happy Meal? hahaha.I've made no claims to being a nutritional expert. In fact I've even stated that most trainers aren't qualified to teach it. You seem to think that I'm an expert when no such claims have been made. I just post scientific information to back claims I make.
~then take the nutrition part out of your sig line~ "Been in fitness for 28+ years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition" cause that sure implies that you are an expert on nutrition.Where in this thread, or any thread about Mcdonald's and diet soda have I claimed they are healthy? NONE. You are implying that's what I've said when it's not true. I've stated over and over and over and over again, get in your essentials (protein, carbs, fats) vitamins and minerals, water, etc. and anything else you eat should be fine as long as you stay in calorie limits.
Don't need the "health police" to tell people they know what's bad for them. They know.
~where? ooooh let's see, how about every post you've made on this thread defending such products (complete w/ links on how they "aren't bad for you") -that is exactly what you've stated over and over again here. please- think of what you are advocating and to whom the majority of the audience is here. (oh crap, there's that 'do no harm' thing again). if everyone on this site was the model of 'moderation' for "the high saturated fatty foods of your culture" there would not be the need for weight loss tickers all over the place. sorry but someone has to have the balls to offer rebuttals to your singing the praises of crap food and reinforcing the ideology that they equal happiness. you want to pin the label of "health police" on me, whatever. just please consider what mentality you are so strongly defending and what label might get pinned on you.0 -
First off, nobody is "singing the praises." Food is not good or bad. Food is food. No food, when consumed in a healthy, moderate amount, will hurt you, unless you have some kind of food allergy or intolerance to it. Eat "clean" if you like, but from what I know, the vast majority of people enjoy eating a varied diet, with lots of different foods, some healthy, some less so. I enjoy cooking a multitude of different foods, ranging from organic hummus that I make at home, to the occasional fast food burger. I have an extremely varied palette, I enjoy all kinds of food and flavors. I get all the nutrition I need from the foods I eat, and I know that as long as all of my vitamin and mineral needs are met, I can partake in a slice of homemade cheesecake, or potato chips, or french fries, or a cheeseburger, as long as they fit into my calorie goals. That's called LIVING. I'm not dieting.
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This is like a similar debate I had with another person on another board. So I'll let you hear it and then try again.2- Niner (guess you're on first name terms, lol) isn't "advocating" (your word, not mine but is a very good word to use here) these products? then explain why he has something like 25 posts on this thread coming back and pouncing on anyone that dares to say anything negative about the poison known as diet soda? complete w/ links too (as i explained in my original post anyone can post links to back up anything, we could have a link war all day, proves nothing). that is not advocating? check the dictionary.
The debate was on steroids and my opposition made claims that it caused heart disease, stroke, liver failure, etc. I posted numerous scientific and Journals of Medicine studies showing that it wasn't true. Now based on that are you going to say that I advocate for steroids? Quite the contrary. I don't advocate for them at all. I think that they end up being a crutch and people who use them for vanity purposes will never get off them. But I don't listen to bogus claims just because everyone THINKS steroids are dangerous because of pseudoscience and media reports.
You can say all the negative things you want, but if it doesn't happen to true or if the claim is exaggerated, then it should be corrected. Nothing wrong with knowing actual truth.
Believe me at one time I believed as a "health nut". No processed, no junk, no soda, so sweets, no sugar, etc. because that was what was pounded in my head for years. But then I was only listening to opinions and not researching actual clinical studies or data. Once I did, I found out a lot of what I was spoon fed was exaggerated and many times false.
And links I post will usually have clinical studies. Not opinions. There's a big difference. You can deny someone's opinion, but to try to deny actual scientific studies that have been reviewed is just claiming ignorance. I choose not to be the latter.
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So you're saying that I'm too dense to understand actual clinical studies. Wow, nice mountain you sit on.~lol,i'm not going to play quote/link wars w/ you. it is a foolish game that no one can win. (and btw posting links and actually having the education to fully understand them are 2 different things).
You're not me or anyone else. Your choice of TASTE is subjective. Next thing you know you'll be trying to get me to quit eating my cultural foods that I identify with my ethnicity. Again, you MUST be better than me.:laugh:~well if you practiced true clean eating like i do then you would react like i did the one and only time i tasted any McDonld's product- spit out that first horrid bite and threw the rest in the trash. i did eat a few of the french fries but i felt like i had gotten enough salt for the month and they left this rancid grease coating in my mouth. *shudder*
why oh why do you equate healthy food as "sad" and food and drink that any 12 years old knows is not good for you as "happy"? it is that mentality that keeps these companies rolling out the crap to make America fat and unhealthy. i was not sad when i was typing last past eating my hummus- i was loving every bite. it tasted "clean" and being someone that was raised on clean eating my taste buds find no happiness in something like diet soda- it tastes like harsh chemicals w/ bubbles to me.
I've never implied that healthy food is "sad". I have stated that eating healthy food DOESN'T always equate to being healthy. You can eat healthy food an be obese/overweight. You can eat junk food and be healthy. Find your happy medium.
I eat quite "healthy" about 80% of the time and the other 20% I splurge on whatever I want.
You're just feel bad that you don't have my great genetics! Average age of death in my family is 87. And not from heart disease, stroke, high blood pressure, dementia or any disease. I get physicals EVERY year. Blood, heart scan, weight check, and even fitness tests provided by my gym. If my doctor notices any issues I would be informed.~lol, no harm that you know of. it's not so much the 1st 40 years that the effects are demonstrated- watch out for that 2nd 40 though....
and again the mentality that unhealthy food/drink is somehow tied to "happiness" and "fun"....you've swallowed the kool-aid of advertising dude. you must deserve a break today....maybe a McDonald's Happy Meal? hahaha.
Look up dinuguan, kare kare or chicharone. These are native to my ethnic background. Not even close to being healthy. We serve it at family get togethers and parties. It's tastes really good and I have happiness and fun with my family over dinner. Please pass the koolaid with aspartame in it. Thanks for playing though.
Press ignore if it bothers you. For some reason you think all I do here is tell people to eat junk food for ALL their meals. Again, I've never advocated that. Find a post ANYWHERE on this site or threads that said that I have. You may choose to ignore me. If it irks you, then it's your issue to deal with.
~then take the nutrition part out of your sig line~ "Been in fitness for 28+ years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition" cause that sure implies that you are an expert on nutrition.
I defend against falsified information. There is NO evidence that having diet soda and junk food in moderation will kill you. To state that it will without any actual proof is a scare tactic used by people to try to persuade others to believe like they do. I don't use scare tactics. I post studies and proofs. If you have an issue, then get the studies to change their data. Science changes all the time, so I abide. I no longer believe Pluto is a planet.~where? ooooh let's see, how about every post you've made on this thread defending such products (complete w/ links on how they "aren't bad for you") -that is exactly what you've stated over and over again here. please- think of what you are advocating and to whom the majority of the audience is here. (oh crap, there's that 'do no harm' thing again). if everyone on this site was the model of 'moderation' for "the high saturated fatty foods of your culture" there would not be the need for weight loss tickers all over the place. sorry but someone has to have the balls to offer rebuttals to your singing the praises of crap food and reinforcing the ideology that they equal happiness. you want to pin the label of "health police" on me, whatever. just please consider what mentality you are so strongly defending and what label might get pinned on you.
You want to live by eating nothing but organic, natural, whole, unprocessed foods that's your choice. It won't kill you. But neither will eating a McRib once in awhile.
I haven't yet had a client who didn't have a favorite "unhealthy" food that they wouldn't give up. And I don't tell them too either. Why? Because I know that deprivation of a favorite is the demise for many a person who take on a weight loss program. If they can have their favorite "unhealthy" food in moderation, and not gain weight, have good physicals, etc. then they will achieve their goal of weight loss and not feel as if they had to give up everything to do it. I can live with that.
You don't like my posts, hit the ignore button.
Happy Holidays! I'm going to go eat some rice and flanken ribs with raw bell pepper now (is that better for you?)
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To refer to others here as "minions" is pretty low. Just because they happen to believe what I do doesn't make them my minions. Kinda says something about you. If you're really that sad, I will lend you a shoulder to cry on. For real.i hit post and went to gym, knew the minions would be posting whilst i was gone.
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A little information regarding aspartame. There are too many questions about the safety of Aspartame, I wouldn't drink diet sodas. But, once in awhile to have a diet soda is fine. Do your own research so you can make your own decision.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvFRLIjOLOU
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To the original poster,
I live in Aus, and over here even the drinks that have diet writen on them hinder someone's effort. I don't know were you are in the world but over here we have Zero drinks. There still not healthy but their healthier then Diet. I hope this helps.0 -
And to counter.A little information regarding aspartame. There are too many questions about the safety of Aspartame, I wouldn't drink diet sodas. But, once in awhile to have a diet soda is fine. Do your own research so you can make your own decision.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvFRLIjOLOUhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F66P277Eyac
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGEp2YT7Bjg
More than 500 studies have been done on Aspartame and found it same to use.
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First off, nobody is "singing the praises." Food is not good or bad. Food is food. No food, when consumed in a healthy, moderate amount, will hurt you, unless you have some kind of food allergy or intolerance to it. Eat "clean" if you like, but from what I know, the vast majority of people enjoy eating a varied diet, with lots of different foods, some healthy, some less so. I enjoy cooking a multitude of different foods, ranging from organic hummus that I make at home, to the occasional fast food burger. I have an extremely varied palette, I enjoy all kinds of food and flavors. I get all the nutrition I need from the foods I eat, and I know that as long as all of my vitamin and mineral needs are met, I can partake in a slice of homemade cheesecake, or potato chips, or french fries, or a cheeseburger, as long as they fit into my calorie goals. That's called LIVING. I'm not dieting.
Here, here!! :drinker:0 -
However the amount of sodium in some diet soda's could effect your weight loss if you retain water from to much sodium intake...0
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Possibly. If you're drinking enough water though and making sure your electrolytes are balanced, it shouldn't be too much of an issue.However the amount of sodium in some diet soda's could effect your weight loss if you retain water from to much sodium intake...
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IMO all sodas are so processed . I have only had water for the last 6 months...0
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It's actually a fact. But then again practically anything we put in our mouth gets "processed" one way or the other. Even bottled water.IMO all sodas are so processed . I have only had water for the last 6 months...
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However the amount of sodium in some diet soda's could effect your weight loss if you retain water from to much sodium intake...
Which sodas are those? I'm not being snarky. I've just never seen a soda with what I'd consider "high" sodium. The Diet Pespi in front of me has 35mg of sodium per 12oz can, which is about the same amount of sodium as in three raw baby carrots. On the other hand, a sports drink like Gatorade has about 110mg per 8oz serving.0 -
I have to admit that I drink it from time to time but the artificial sweetners in it are bad for you and they make me dizzy after a while and make my stomache hurt :P My doc told me they aren't great for you but they won't hurt you unless you drink like 20 cans a day.
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And to counter.A little information regarding aspartame. There are too many questions about the safety of Aspartame, I wouldn't drink diet sodas. But, once in awhile to have a diet soda is fine. Do your own research so you can make your own decision.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvFRLIjOLOUhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F66P277Eyachttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGEp2YT7Bjg
More than 500 studies have been done on Aspartame and found it same to use.
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Where is her proof? She didn't show anything? Even if it's safe or not, too much controversy. In my opinion, I would stay away from it. However, if you need a fix every so often, it's fine or drink regular soda.0 -
Dude did you watch it? Do I really have to point it out? Pause at :34................................see the CRITICAL REVIEWS IN TOXICOLOGY? Here's the part of the review:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGEp2YT7Bjg
Where is her proof? She didn't show anything? Even if it's safe or not, too much controversy. In my opinion, I would stay away from it. However, if you need a fix every so often, it's fine or drink regular soda.October 24, 2007 — A large-scale review reports there is no evidence that the nonnutritive sweetener aspartame is associated with neurological damage, cancer, or other health problems in humans.
Published in the September issue of Critical Reviews in Toxicology, the 100-page report includes a review of more than 500 studies, including toxicological, clinical, and epidemiological research dating from preclinical work during the 1970s to the latest studies on the high-intensity sweetener.
Led by Bernadene Magnuson, PhD, from the University of Maryland in College Park, an international, independent expert panel from 10 universities and medical schools was commissioned to investigate the safety of the sweetener, which is used in more than 6000 products in 90 countries.
"We found no credible evidence that aspartame is carcinogenic or neurotoxic or has any other adverse effects when consumed even at very high levels," Dr. Magnuson told Medscape Neurology & Neurosurgery.
You can say your opinion, but that doesn't trump actual scientific evidence. And what about that ban in Japan you spoke of? How is Ajinomoto ( the largest manufacturer of aspartame) able to manufacture it in Japan if it's banned?
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What a feisty subject! LOL!0
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Dude did you watch it? Do I really have to point it out? Pause at :34................................see the CRITICAL REVIEWS IN TOXICOLOGY? Here's the part of the review:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGEp2YT7Bjg
Where is her proof? She didn't show anything? Even if it's safe or not, too much controversy. In my opinion, I would stay away from it. However, if you need a fix every so often, it's fine or drink regular soda.October 24, 2007 — A large-scale review reports there is no evidence that the nonnutritive sweetener aspartame is associated with neurological damage, cancer, or other health problems in humans.
Published in the September issue of Critical Reviews in Toxicology, the 100-page report includes a review of more than 500 studies, including toxicological, clinical, and epidemiological research dating from preclinical work during the 1970s to the latest studies on the high-intensity sweetener.
Led by Bernadene Magnuson, PhD, from the University of Maryland in College Park, an international, independent expert panel from 10 universities and medical schools was commissioned to investigate the safety of the sweetener, which is used in more than 6000 products in 90 countries.
"We found no credible evidence that aspartame is carcinogenic or neurotoxic or has any other adverse effects when consumed even at very high levels," Dr. Magnuson told Medscape Neurology & Neurosurgery.
You can say your opinion, but that doesn't trump actual scientific evidence. And what about that ban in Japan you spoke of? How is Ajinomoto ( the largest manufacturer of aspartame) able to manufacture it in Japan if it's banned?
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Unfortunately, the artificial sweetner business is huge and altho it is conspiracy theory, I am one of those who believes the FDA can and has been paid off in the past, (by Lobbyists, those companies/reps who financially support the research, etc), and if they have been that would make all "scientific studies" unrealiable and potentially even invalid. Scientists will draw whatever conclusions and skew data to support the non-toxic/non-cancerous claims and studies if enough money is thrown at it.
C'mon we all know how big business is and how corruptable people can be (yes, pessimistic). Look at all the drugs that went to market WITH FDA APPROVAL (those had studies showing minimum harm, right>?) that were killing people within months of taking them. I dont trust that the FDA makes our health it's first priority. But it is YOUR choice what you put in your body, I just wish they would tell us the truth about products, since it's their damn job to!
I personally dont drink them because 1 diet soda will give me a killer headache for 2 days (feels like being hit with a bat to the back of the head). But if they dont affect you, feel free in moderation (as in everything else).0 -
1 to 5 studies I could see, but 500? How are 500 studies, with at least half of them done independently and the under peer review, coming up with the same data? What I would like to see is data for actual deaths attributed to artificial sweetners since there are many people who tout it will kill you. That would good data to see.Unfortunately, the artificial sweetner business is huge and altho it is conspiracy theory, I am one on those who believes the FDA can and has been paid off in the past, (by Lobbyists, those companies/reps who financially support the research, etc), and if they have been that would make making all "scientific studies" unrealiable and potentially even invalid. Scientists will draw whatever conclusions and skew data to support the non-toxic/non-cancerous claims and studies if enough money is thrown at it.
C'mon we all know how big business is and how corruptable people can be (yes, pessimistic). Look at all the drugs that went to market WITH FDA APPROVAL (those had studies showing minimum harm, right>?) that were killing people within months of taking them. I dont trust that the FDA makes our health it's first priority. But it is YOUR choice what you put in your body, I just wish they would tell us the truth about products, since it's their damn job to!
I personally dont drink them because 1 diet soda will give me a killer headache for 2 days (feels like being hit with a bat to the back of the head). But if they dont affect you, feel free in moderation (as in everything else).
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Right, but you wont see that because as Americans we eat so horribly and unnaturally it would be impossible to do a valid study on. AND even if we did who would FUND that research. Sure as hell wont be the artificial sweetner companies. And our government can't even pay for insurance and preventative health for it's own people much less pay for studies that would shut down it's primary source of funding.
Also, who s paying for the independent reviews. I can guarantee it's those with financial interests in the sweetner business or other related companies/investors that are depending on those positive studies.0 -
Dude did you watch it? Do I really have to point it out? Pause at :34................................see the CRITICAL REVIEWS IN TOXICOLOGY? Here's the part of the review:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGEp2YT7Bjg
Where is her proof? She didn't show anything? Even if it's safe or not, too much controversy. In my opinion, I would stay away from it. However, if you need a fix every so often, it's fine or drink regular soda.October 24, 2007 — A large-scale review reports there is no evidence that the nonnutritive sweetener aspartame is associated with neurological damage, cancer, or other health problems in humans.
Published in the September issue of Critical Reviews in Toxicology, the 100-page report includes a review of more than 500 studies, including toxicological, clinical, and epidemiological research dating from preclinical work during the 1970s to the latest studies on the high-intensity sweetener.
Led by Bernadene Magnuson, PhD, from the University of Maryland in College Park, an international, independent expert panel from 10 universities and medical schools was commissioned to investigate the safety of the sweetener, which is used in more than 6000 products in 90 countries.
"We found no credible evidence that aspartame is carcinogenic or neurotoxic or has any other adverse effects when consumed even at very high levels," Dr. Magnuson told Medscape Neurology & Neurosurgery.
You can say your opinion, but that doesn't trump actual scientific evidence. And what about that ban in Japan you spoke of? How is Ajinomoto ( the largest manufacturer of aspartame) able to manufacture it in Japan if it's banned?
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Unfortunately, the artificial sweetner business is huge and altho it is conspiracy theory, I am one of those who believes the FDA can and has been paid off in the past, (by Lobbyists, those companies/reps who financially support the research, etc), and if they have been that would make all "scientific studies" unrealiable and potentially even invalid. Scientists will draw whatever conclusions and skew data to support the non-toxic/non-cancerous claims and studies if enough money is thrown at it.
C'mon we all know how big business is and how corruptable people can be (yes, pessimistic). Look at all the drugs that went to market WITH FDA APPROVAL (those had studies showing minimum harm, right>?) that were killing people within months of taking them. I dont trust that the FDA makes our health it's first priority. But it is YOUR choice what you put in your body, I just wish they would tell us the truth about products, since it's their damn job to!
I personally dont drink them because 1 diet soda will give me a killer headache for 2 days (feels like being hit with a bat to the back of the head). But if they dont affect you, feel free in moderation (as in everything else).
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no diet soda- if you want a soda, drink a regular one (just do it in moderation!) aspartame IS bad for your body. it's a foreign "sugar" that the body doesn't recognize and can end up depositing around various parts of your body, not to mention it breaks down into formaldehyde!
(for those who might not know what formaldehyde is, it's used to preserve things [such as the dead frogs you dissect in high school])
why you would want to put that in your body, i have no idea.0
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