Firearms in your home??

MercenaryNoetic26

Get one of those fancay gun vaults. It's worth the investment if safety is your concern.

AZTrailRunner

Honestly, I would let him have the guns in the house. I know you said you have lost friends from them but who is to say it'd happen to you?

You are twice as likely to die by homicide in your home if you keep firearms in the home, so...

http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/160/10/929.abstract

And every year THOUSANDS of lives are saved by homeowners using weapons against intruders.

lor007

Having firearms in your home will not cause an accident, only untrained handlers can do that. Like others have said, take a safety course and keep them safely locked away. If you have children in the home, be especially sure they are out of reach.

In my opinion, all people (and children once they are old enough) should take a firearm training course. I took the course when I was 8 years old and had a "refresher" course each year until I was in high school. You never know when you could be placed in a situation where it could save your life.

AZTrailRunner

Try using a martial art when two drug crazed killers are banging down your door at 3:00 a.m. (and possess a shotgun), intent on taking what you have. You can do what you want; but I guarantee I will survive, and you will be a statistic.

^^^ example of someone who should never own a weapon

I would call him a "survivor", and not a "victim". Save your judgement.

ShapeUpSidney

I would call him a "survivor", and not a "victim". Save your judgement.

On the contrary, it's my judgement that always saves me

IvoryParchment

I don't follow your argument. Are you saying "not" having a firearm in your house will prevent a burglary? How does the bad guy know who owns a gun until after they've already broke in. I don't base my decision upon local crime statistics. I base my decision to carry a weapon so I don't become a statistic.

No, I'm saying the guns stolen out of the houses of people who thought their guns would protect them are in the hands of the criminals selling drugs in our city. It's a matter of being responsible enough to secure your weapon and make sure your gun is not the cause of an innocent person being crippled, blinded or murdered. I've got no problem with all the law abiding people keeping guns if they actually kept them. I know far more innocent people killed in crossfire from shooters they never even saw -- when carrying a gun would have been no use to them anyway -- than I know people whose own guns protected them.

Contrarian

I'm pretty accurate with a rubber band. That stings!

Justjoshin

Honestly, I would let him have the guns in the house. I know you said you have lost friends from them but who is to say it'd happen to you?

You are twice as likely to die by homicide in your home if you keep firearms in the home, so...

http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/160/10/929.abstract

PLEASE NOTE-- These studies took into account gangbangers who were killed in their home by drive bys.
NOT just the average American.

Take into account that a large number of homicides in the US are gang/drug/crime related, clean up the study to only include lawfully owned firearms, in homes without these types of people, and then let me know what the numbers say.

ronda_gettinghealthy

Appreciating the advice. He is not just looking to have the guns but also in getting a license to conceal them. He has nothing to shoot at. We live in the city. We don't even have a large yard to shoot cans at. I want him to have his grandpa's guns cuz I know how much they mean, but why ammo and a license to carry? I just don't get it I guess.

Why not?

This actually shows responsibility. It's more than allot of people do and it's just one extra step in protecting our constitutional rights by him going through the system to be legal vs doing as he pleases. He might even take classes which is important vs having something and not knowing how to use it. I think they should do the same thing for dogs that are known to be more dangerous.

we have numerous guns in the house..and conceal carry licences too....but it is a choice---if it is a deal breaker then you guys need to have a long heart to heart talk....I am glad he is taking the classes--shows responsibility and an awareness of the dangers of a gun...

best wishes in your journey...this is def a difficult issure... but eating wont help either way....

Semperfione

Let me start by saying you have a right to feel the way you do. I will also say it took many guns in the hands of many great men and women to make you and I able to say what we wish to, and to own or not own a firearm. Many of us have served in the service, and as I look out my door to my neighbors, there are so many people that also served and yes we have guns in our home.

It seems to me the crime rate is still an issue, and more home break-ins continue, so, I will continue to have the right to protect my family, which have also been trained in the use of a our firearms.

They are not toys, they are not for others to look at or touch, they are here to protect loved ones. Keep them safely out of the hands of young ones and respect them. Enough said, other than one more tid bit...I think if we were ever invaded from another country, they would have their hands full going into neighborhoods to take control, there are more homes with weapons than not, I for one am glad to know this.

Please be safe is the best advice I can give.

cruiseking

Try using a martial art when two drug crazed killers are banging down your door at 3:00 a.m. (and possess a shotgun), intent on taking what you have. You can do what you want; but I guarantee I will survive, and you will be a statistic.

^^^ example of someone who should never own a weapon

Who me? Or the two drug crazed killers with the shotgun? I bet you are thinking me.

Orvett

I was raised around guns. I did a lot of WWII re-enacting too. My dad was the type that if they had to leave me alone he showed me where the AK was and always told me if someone came in the house "shoot to kill." apparently criminals will sue you for being shot and injured as they were breaking into your house >.<

Anywho I agree with anyone else. Safety classes and lock them away in a safe.

killagb

Honestly, I would let him have the guns in the house. I know you said you have lost friends from them but who is to say it'd happen to you?

You are twice as likely to die by homicide in your home if you keep firearms in the home, so...

http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/160/10/929.abstract

PLEASE NOTE-- These studies took into account gangbangers who were killed in their home by drive bys.
NOT just the average American.

Take into account that a large number of homicides in the US are gang/drug/crime related, clean up the study to only include lawfully owned firearms, in homes without these types of people, and then let me know what the numbers say.

So basically you'd like to take an abstract of reality to make it fit your point?

Painten

I'm in the UK and our laws are pretty tight, i doubt i'd be able to get a gun even if i didn't disagree with them. I wouldn't have one in the house. It really would be a case of me or the guns. Don't let anyone force you to have a gun around if you don't want one.

cruiseking

I would call him a "survivor", and not a "victim". Save your judgement.

On the contrary, it's my judgement that always saves me

And your judgement at that moment would be?

Justjoshin

Honestly, I would let him have the guns in the house. I know you said you have lost friends from them but who is to say it'd happen to you?

You are twice as likely to die by homicide in your home if you keep firearms in the home, so...

http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/160/10/929.abstract

PLEASE NOTE-- These studies took into account gangbangers who were killed in their home by drive bys.
NOT just the average American.

Take into account that a large number of homicides in the US are gang/drug/crime related, clean up the study to only include lawfully owned firearms, in homes without these types of people, and then let me know what the numbers say.

So basically you'd like to take an abstract of reality to make it fit your point?

No, I'm saying that the study has nothing to do with the average American.

dsjohndrow

Have him get a fingerprint gun safe. In fact insist on it. He'll be the only one that can open it. If you don't have guns now, there is no need to have a loaded gun in the house.

ShapeUpSidney

PLEASE NOTE-- These studies took into account gangbangers who were killed in their home by drive bys.
NOT just the average American.

Take into account that a large number of homicides in the US are gang/drug/crime related, clean up the study to only include lawfully owned firearms, in homes without these types of people, and then let me know what the numbers say.

I appreciate the critical analysis. You make a valid point. The study also notes that men are 10x more likely to commit suicide if they have a firearm in the house. Gangbangers don't really factor into that...

Most people are not killed by gangbangers. Most people are killed by someone they know intimately.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11991417

Justjoshin

PLEASE NOTE-- These studies took into account gangbangers who were killed in their home by drive bys.
NOT just the average American.

Take into account that a large number of homicides in the US are gang/drug/crime related, clean up the study to only include lawfully owned firearms, in homes without these types of people, and then let me know what the numbers say.

I appreciate the critical analysis. You make a valid point. The study also notes that men are 10x more likely to commit suicide if they have a firearm in the house. Gangbangers don't really factor into that...

Most people are not killed by gangbangers. Most people are killed by someone they know intimately.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11991417

Over 50% of suicides I believe happen with a firearm regardless of sex.

However, note that this is SUCCESSFUL Suicides.

The large ratio of gun related suicides is due to the fact that it is much harder to botch your suicide when using a handgun than a handful of drugs, a knife, etc.

Having a gun doesn't make you more likely to attempt suicide, it only makes it more likely that you will succeed

AZTrailRunner

PLEASE NOTE-- These studies took into account gangbangers who were killed in their home by drive bys.
NOT just the average American.

Take into account that a large number of homicides in the US are gang/drug/crime related, clean up the study to only include lawfully owned firearms, in homes without these types of people, and then let me know what the numbers say.

I appreciate the critical analysis. You make a valid point. The study also notes that men are 10x more likely to commit suicide if they have a firearm in the house. Gangbangers don't really factor into that...

Most people are not killed by gangbangers. Most people are killed by someone they know intimately.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11991417

Most people who get in car accidents do so within 5 miles of their home. Does that statistic keep you from living your life?

Keenasgettingfitnhealthy

Well seeing as I'm from Australia, we have a very strict gun law and the average person can't get a gun these days. But I remember as a kid Dad used to have a shot gun in the house - but we were never told where. (which is a good thing as we were about 9 at the oldest) I've been shooting and enjoyed it a lot but I think it is up to you both to come to a decision together. Do they have to be guns in working condition? Isn't there something you can do to keep them looking the same but not being able to work?
Just a thought.

SarahMorganP

I will never have a gun in my home. My husband and I both suffer from depression and my father commited suicide...with a gun. I also have children and would never have a gun in a house with kids, and I do ask at my kids friends houses if they have guns. My kids don't go to the houses that do.

Justjoshin

Have him get a fingerprint gun safe. In fact insist on it. He'll be the only one that can open it. If you don't have guns now, there is no need to have a loaded gun in the house.

Although biometric keypads have come a long way, they are nowhere near fool proof. If the gun is to be kept in the safe for a time of need, a biometric keypad is much less reliable than a finger code gunvault. Just my opinion.

ShapeUpSidney

I know my way around firearms. Weapons are not for everyone. I think the OP has valid concerns about firearms in the home. Education and training will help the OP make an informed decision. She may learn more about firearms and decide she feels ok with them after all. But there are risks, and there are studies (of varying quality) that measure these risks - if the OP finds that valuable.

If you're terrified of guns, you should probably not entertain any ideas of having them in the home. If you are terrified of drug-crazed serial killers beating down your door, you should probably also not think about buying a gun.

peggyj49

An unloaded , dis-assembled gun locked in a cabinet will be no protection in a home invasion. A criminal will not give you time to find the key and load the gun. I was raised around guns and taught gun safety as a young child. I raised my children with guns and they have raised their children with guns I keep a gun for protection, it is loaded at all times, and the safety is on. In the event that I need to protect myself my gun is ready. Cars are not dangerous but some drivers are. Guns are only dangerous in the hands of criminals and people who have not been taught gun safety..

ShapeUpSidney

Most people who get in car accidents do so within 5 miles of their home. Does that statistic keep you from living your life?

Well, funny you should ask, but I actually don't own a car or drive with any regularity.

yoshi91610

Oh I wish I had some advice. But I am 100% against firearms being in my home. I don't even like to be around guns let alone having one with all the ammo and everything and my husband is in the military he carries a gun around all the time it seems. Still I don't care.

cruiseking

Which sign would you plant on your front lawn:
1)No Firearms or Weapons Permitted on this Property - Violators are Considered Trespassers and are Subject to Forfeiture or Arrest
2)Is There Life After Death? Tresspass here and Find Out.
When seconds count; the cops are minutes away.

Justjoshin

Personally I use this sign.

vaderandbill

I think not. I learned martial arts myself, but until you have worked in an environment with people drugged out of their mind and intoxicated, there's no amount of martial arts that is going to save your *kitten* against those people. Not to mention, if someone assults me, walks into my home, or attempts to car jack my vehicle; Im not going to say "stop or I'm going to attempt to kick your *kitten*", oh no, I'm gonna put another whole in them.

You shoot to injure, you don't have to shoot to kill.

When you are under attack and your life is on the line, try to shoot someone in the arm or leg. Not going to happen...you shoot at the best target, center mass!