I gained a pound!
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Shut the front door... A pound!
Usually long lasting results take longer than 7 days... Perhaps stick with it and you will see results. People's weight fluctuates each day based on what they eat, drink, if they are stressed, if the wind blew the wrong way... Anything can make your weight fluctuate a pound or two daily.0 -
Studies have been done by Journal of Strength and Conditioning research, Journal of Sports Science and Medicine, Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism touting that muscle gain on calorie deficit is very unlikely UNLESS in the individual is brand new to lifting (never lifted weights before), obese/overweight and lifting weights, or an athlete returning to weight lifting after a long layoff. To gain muscle, fat will also be gained. To gain weight, the body needs calorie surplus.2) Muscle gain in the out of shape or those with minimal muscle mass can and is noticed in a shorter time (simply bc the relative amount is greater per % gain) The idea that is takes 1-2 months to start muscle gain is antiquated and was based on poor science... and can not be backed by modern sound studies....
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I can tell a difference in my abdomen as far as muscle is concerned, and I know muscle weighs more than fat but I do so much cardio, ya know? And according to this site I'm supposed to eat 1200 calories a day
I just got a programme done at a gym in the UK and here they advise interval training (basicallly 1 minute really hard fast exercise followed by 1 minute slow, no more than 10 minutes on any machines./doing any 1 exercise). your body gets used to cardio. Also, you shouldn;t expect to see a big change in 1 week. There could be stuff going on like fluid retention on a day to day basis (maybe you'd lost fluid when you lost the 4 lbsm so you just put that back on again?). Your weight needs to be monitored over a longer period. But get someone to advise you (or look up) a weight loss exercise programme for the gym would be my advice. Good Luck! And don't lose heart! 8D0 -
Sorry, but the information you're giving is incorrect. It's not muscle. Muscle is built on calorie surplus. Only a few selective type of people can build even just a little muscle on calorie deficit and she doesn't sound like one of them.
The gain is from water retention. Muscle needs water to rebuild and store glycogen.
If someone doesn't eat enough, it lowers their BMR. A lower BMR means that they are burning less calories at rest. You burn more fat at rest than doing activity. This is why it's important to eat enough so the BMR stays active. The body doesn't really like to give up body fat. The body will actually try to utilize lean muscle tissue for energy before body fat. This is why strength training is important. To help retain lean muscle.
Overall if she is in calorie deficit (along with eating back her exercise calories), and strength training with cardio efficiently, then the weight will come off.
Water retention from the exercise will subside in a couple of weeks.
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1) So send me one link to a scientific well written paper that backs what you are saying.
2) Calorie eating MINIMALLY impacts the BMR, and you do or should know that. The major caloric drain is heat balance.... WHICH DOES NOT CHANGE. Cellular process and ATP still need to take place... you are reciting antiquated knowledge that is scientifically NOT true
3) Muscle (actin and Myosin) can absolutely be created in a caloric deficient state... providing that your Amino acids are present and ATP will be used. This has been shown both clinically and histologically.... actually it was NASA that had one of the best studies on this!
4) The body will use the glycogen store in muscle..... but as you know that only goes to the muscle it CAN NOT GO OUT OF THE MUSCLE... That is what the liver glycogen stores are there for. But, as you know or should know you have less than a 24 hour supply at MOST. Then you move to fat burning.....so the statement that muscles is preferentially broken down before fat is false! (AND WILL NOT HAPPEN PROVIDED YOU MAINTAIN CORRECT PROTEIN INTAKE)
5) I agree and stated that the fluid shift is the reason as she was eating fast food and the salt intake did it as her body was trying to achieve homeostasis.
6) I respect what you do.. I would never attempt to give the correct muscle activation information.... Honesty, I would be happy to discuss the above information of this thread.... I feel the best weight loss come from a good an interested trainer and a knowledgable medical doctor to monitor the health etc....0 -
2) Muscle gain in the out of shape or those with minimal muscle mass can and is noticed in a shorter time (simply bc the relative amount is greater per % gain) The idea that is takes 1-2 months to start muscle gain is antiquated and was based on poor science... and can not be backed by modern sound studies....[/quote]Studies have been done by Journal of Strength and Conditioning research, Journal of Sports Science and Medicine, Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism touting that muscle gain on calorie deficit is very unlikely UNLESS in the individual is brand new to lifting (never lifted weights before), obese/overweight and lifting weights, or an athlete returning to weight lifting after a long layoff. To gain muscle, fat will also be gained. To gain weight, the body needs calorie surplus.
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One questionn... looking at her picture I guarantee her BMI is over 25 which mean she is in your exception category... I know the articles...0 -
She's not obese or (let me reemphasize) "very overweight". Her past history and current eating and exercise habits are dictating why the one pound gain. It's water. It's not muscle.One questionn... looking at her picture I guarantee her BMI is over 25 which mean she is in your exception category... I know the articles...
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Are you saying a reduction in calories doesn't result in a lower BMR?1) So send me one link to a scientific well written paper that backs what you are saying.It is well established from longitudinal studies of human starvation
and semistarvation that weight loss is accompanied by a
decrease in basal metabolic rate (BMR) greater than can be
accounted for by the changes in body weight or body composition
(1–5). This deviation from predicted values in the reduction
of BMR is generally regarded as the outcome of a regulatory
process that, in the face of food energy deficits, increases metabolic
efficiency by suppressing thermogenesis and hence reduces
the rate at which the body’s tissues are being depleted.
Am J Clin Nutr 1998;68:599–606.
Not when the body isn't consuming enough for the energy expended. High calorie deficits affect BMR.2) Calorie eating MINIMALLY impacts the BMR, and you do or should know that. The major caloric drain is heat balance.... WHICH DOES NOT CHANGE. Cellular process and ATP still need to take place... you are reciting antiquated knowledge that is scientifically NOT true.
Post the study. Exceptions are athlete returning from long lay off, obese/very overweight taking up weight lifting, individual brand new to lifting. OP is not any of these 3.3) Muscle (actin and Myosin) can absolutely be created in a caloric deficient state... providing that your Amino acids are present and ATP will be used. This has been shown both clinically and histologically.... actually it was NASA that had one of the best studies on this!
Ever hear of muscle catabolism? You are under the assumption the OP is intaking enough protein to prevent it. I do agree that positive nitrogen balance is the key, but with out it, muscle is the preferred energy over fat by the body. Look at any athlete that does long endurance training while not in positive nitrogen balance. How much muscle do they retain?4) The body will use the glycogen store in muscle..... but as you know that only goes to the muscle it CAN NOT GO OUT OF THE MUSCLE... That is what the liver glycogen stores are there for. But, as you know or should know you have less than a 24 hour supply at MOST. Then you move to fat burning.....so the statement that muscles is preferentially broken down before fat is false! (AND WILL NOT HAPPEN PROVIDED YOU MAINTAIN CORRECT PROTEIN INTAKE)
I'm not a BRO science person. I don't get my info from articles, blogs or opinions. I rely on actual Peer Reviewed Clinical Studies.6) I respect what you do.. I would never attempt to give the correct muscle activation information.... Honesty, I would be happy to discuss the above information of this thread.... I feel the best weight loss come from a good an interested trainer and a knowledgable medical doctor to monitor the health etc....
I'm also open minded. If I see a few clinical study that refutes what I currently take as truth, then I will adopt that information. There is a lot of misinformation out there and it is right to make sure that it's corrected.
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It took time to put the weight on and it will take time to get it back off. Eat a little more and give it longer than a week.
P.S. Muscle does not weigh more that fat. 1lb of muscle is weighs the same as 1lb of fat. A pound is pound.
DUH!! When people say muscle weighs more than fat, it's implicit they're talking about the same volume.0 -
And it's been 7 days since i've had a bm.
That is from the Slimfast! I drank them for 3 days and have never been so constipated in my life.
Seriously - take a laxative (just once - not habitually!) and you'll be down 3 pounds - and quit the Slimfast garbage.
Agree with this. It's concerning you haven't had a BM in a week. Try to move that along. Once in a while it won't hurt if you're having problems.0 -
The scale said I gained a pound this morning too. It's that time of the month and I had a lot of sodium yesterday. On top of that, I haven't taken a crap yet today.
I must have gained some muscle.0 -
"I've eaten less than 1200 calories per day"
There is where your problem lies.
You need to eat more.
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Jillian Michaels and Bob Harper (arguably the 2 best trainers in the world) say you have to eat to lose weight.0 -
You might have gained some muscle mass since you've been working out everyday. Muscle weighs more than fat.
LMAO!!!! In a week???? this is not it.,,Sorry dont mean to be rude but its too funny!!0 -
Shut the front door!!!!0
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It took time to put the weight on and it will take time to get it back off. Eat a little more and give it longer than a week.
P.S. Muscle does not weigh more that fat. 1lb of muscle is weighs the same as 1lb of fat. A pound is pound.
DUH!! When people say muscle weighs more than fat, it's implicit they're talking about the same volume.
Then they shouldn't say it weighs more, they should say that the volume is different. A pound of muscle is smaller than a pound of fat for example.0 -
While not a blanket answer, it's not wise to only have a 700 calorie net daily.I am not a medical professional and I realise that it totally depends on how much you have to lose, but I am not a huge fan of eating back all of my exercise calories. I try to have an average net of around 700 calories a day. And I eat...a lot. I think that as I get closer to the overweight BMI and out of the obese I might have to revise my thinking but I do not think there is a blanket answer. Some people succeed by eating back every single exercise calorie, others succeed by eating less.
I think if you are in this for the long haul you have to accept that there are going to be times when you gain a pound or two. I have been up 2 for the past 3 weeks. It is frustrating, and I am changing things up a bit, but I am focusing more on how I feel, and the fact is that eating sweets and giving up on the exercise is not an option for me. I can't do it, I have come too far. Even in the beginning though, just the decision to change my life was something I was not willing to sabotage. But it is hard. Please dont get discouraged.
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I understand it is not something that is recommended, but I can't make myself eat when I am not hungry. And I eat well, lol. I usually have 4 small meals a day, a lot of fish, a lot of carrots, etc. I actually focus on my sodium, and cholesterol much more than calories or fat. Part of it might also be that I am burning many more calories doing the same exercises that would only result in a 300 calorie burn in someone much smaller than me. I try to exercise 90 minutes a day.0 -
if the site is telling you to eat 1200 cal a day then make sure you are eating the full amount of calories, and make sure that by working out your not burning off too many calories. If you are tracking everything right then it will tell you where your at calorie wise, make sure that if you eat 1200 cal that you aren't burning off 1000 for instance
Also, keep in mind that you dont need to always go by the scale. take your measurements in stead if you are seeing a idfference in your abdomnen then chances are that you are losing inches! which is greeat and the whole reason you want to lose weight is to look smaller, not to necessarily be a smaller weight size0 -
If gaining a single pound makes you want to quit your weight-loss efforts, you need to take a serious look at your mindset. Your weight can fluctuate daily for a number of completely benign reasons such as water retention and digested food that has not yet been excreted.
Don't get so fixated on a number, just focus on getting healthy. Make sure to eat to adequately fuel your body, exercise AND rest.0 -
okay from this forum, i think eating to lose is a good idea, i will eat 4000 calories, , maybe i should be eat 5Mcalories (1000kcalories), that will help me get ripped quickly.
Don't be absurd. The only person who should be eating 4000 calories per day is one who is trying to gain, has a high activity level, and/or burns 1000+ calories in a workout session.
The difference is, there's eating 1200 or below, which is giving your body the bare minimum it needs for nourishment, and there's eating while maintaining a deficit. Eating 1900 calories, I am still losing weight, which means I am maintaining a deficit. And I can guarantee you that I spend much less time worrying about my diet than I did when I was eating 1400 calories and feeling like I was starving all of the time.
The idea of eating more to lose is allowing yourself to lose weight while maintaining a healthy relationship with food. I know I am personally much less likely to binge when I eat 1900+ calories than I am when I eat 1400 or even 1700 calories. MFP says 1900 is my maintaining intake, yet I'm still losing. Why not eat more if you can? That's what I don't understand about people who pinch calories down so low they're miserable.
But to each their own. You go eat a rice cake. I'll have a piece of real cake and not sweat it in the end. 0 -
I can tell a difference in my abdomen as far as muscle is concerned, and I know muscle weighs more than fat but I do so much cardio, ya know? And according to this site I'm supposed to eat 1200 calories a day
Actually muscle does not weigh more than fat as most say. If you put 1 lb of muscle on a scale and 1 lb of fat on a scale.. it will be 1 lb.
Muscle is denser than fat... so 1lb of muscle in our bodies take up less space than 1 lb of fat.. that is the reason we can put on more weight (what the Scale reads) as we gain muscle but look a whole lot smaller.
Most important as others say. don't eat under 1200 calories a day. it takes 3500 calories to gain 1 lb. Allow our body time to get use to your new healthy way of eating and exercise...give it at least 4 weeks... it will balance out.
Also remember, this site is a guide. ...and we should not eat less than 1200 a day or else your body will go into starvation mode and hold on to as much FAT as possible. So eat enough (bump it up to about 1300-1400, keep up the great work on exercise and give it time.0 -
my head is spinning!!! i just started this site a couple weeks ago. very confused about calories to eat. some say eat more, some say eat less. i'm usually between 1100 and 1300, but i'm always hungry!0
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Please dont forget fluids in the body can affect weight...for example too much sodium or PMS...All of these and more can make a shift in our weight....0
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its either muscle i put on 4lb the first 2weeks but now im 22lbs down 10weeks in. muscle helps lose the weight and with exercise that does build but with calories that low unless your very obese your body could be holding onto them, up them unless your following gps advice on this, keep exercising and it will pay off, it could even be T.O.M X i get so hungry if i eat less than 1,600 and i need to eat that much, you have to be quite heavy for a gp to say 1,200 or less is ok!0
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Then eat foods that are more calorie dense.
I understand it is not something that is recommended, but I can't make myself eat when I am not hungry. And I eat well, lol. I usually have 4 small meals a day, a lot of fish, a lot of carrots, etc. I actually focus on my sodium, and cholesterol much more than calories or fat. Part of it might also be that I am burning many more calories doing the same exercises that would only result in a 300 calorie burn in someone much smaller than me. I try to exercise 90 minutes a day.
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I was thinking about what you said about Jillian Micheals, not saying she's a bad trainer or anything. I don't see how she can be what you said, "arguably one of the best trainers in the world." What is this based on? How many lbs her clients lose? They are on tv, eating low calorie diets, and exercising constantly. This has nothing to do with her, she is a very small piece of the big picture.
It's based on how many lives she's helped, how she has the ability to get to the root of why some of her clients are the way they are, and her ability to help people make real and lasting changes. I don't agree that their success has "nothing to do with her". Put a bunch of random people in a room and tell them they will win 250,000 if they lose more weight than everyone in that room and see how much weight they lose, compare to the same people with the same scenario being in a room with Jillian and I am willing to bet that they not only lose more weight with Jillian, but they get to the root of why they over eat, and are able to keep the weight off longer.
I've watched TBL for years, and even when they had that blond trainer on the contestants didn't do near as good with her as they do with Jillian.
Yes, people who lose weight with or without a trainer are doing most of the work themselves, but the difference can be huge depending on who you work with.0 -
I can tell a difference in my abdomen as far as muscle is concerned, and I know muscle weighs more than fat but I do so much cardio, ya know? And according to this site I'm supposed to eat 1200 calories a day
Need ATLEAST 1200. You should also eat back some of the calories burnt. You body needs fuel.
If you get all your energy from the food you eat, when do you use bodyfat as fuel?? bodyfat is the main source of fuel.
No, food is the main source of fuel. Bodyfat is supplementary fuel. So you get most of your fuel from food so you can get adequate vitamins, minerals, and other nutrients (none of which are stored in fat), and you leave a caloric deficit so you can burn the fat.0 -
Jillian Michaels and Bob Harper (arguably the 2 best trainers in the world)
Those two clowns aren't trainers. They're actors who play them on TV.
Any idiot can make people lose weight if they sequester them, starve them, and make them run their *kitten* off.
REAL trainers have at least a basic understanding of proper form, appropriate exercise selection, and don't regurgitate outdated fitness mythes.
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Jillian Michaels and Bob Harper (arguably the 2 best trainers in the world)
Those two clowns aren't trainers. They're actors who play them on TV.
Any idiot can make people lose weight if they sequester them, starve them, and make them run their *kitten* off.
REAL trainers have at least a basic understanding of proper form, appropriate exercise selection, and don't regurgitate outdated fitness mythes.
/rant.
haha Nice rant!
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree then. ROFL0
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