Back from my first trip to the nutritionist...
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With all due respect, while that sounds impressive, those are not credentials that necessarily mean anything. I've seen utter rubbish claimed in books and you only have to switch on the TV to see how many idiots get to appear as "experts". For instance "been in the business for over 40 years" can mean either "Highly experienced" or "Qualified 40 years ago and whose knowledge is hopelessly out of date". Not that I'm suggesting this is the case here, I've no idea who you're talking about and know nothing about their qualifications or continuing professional development.The advice I got was from a well-respected nutritionist who has been in the business for over 40 years and has appeared on many TV shows and written many books.
Only poorly stored grain contains mould. Storing it correctly is hardly rocket science. No idea what happens in practice in America, but that seems like an extremely sweeping generalisation and I am deeply suspicious of those.Because there is such a surplus, it sits around for a long time causing those products to contain a lot of mold which causes adverse reactions.
Perhaps it being a traditional staple food for much of the population had a bearing too...The only reason it was being pushed so much by the old food pyramid was because it was created and funded by the whole-wheat manufacturers.
Maybe in your country. Not everyone's.Non-organic products contain the bovine growth hormone which causes a whole slew of problems in humans, including acne!
I simply do not believe that there is a biological mechanism whereby a small amount of protein is only digested when it is accompanied by... protein. Delighted to be proven wrong if anyone with a knowledge of biological processes cares to clarify.A gram here and there doesn't even get utilized by your body.0 -
- She recommended whole wheat bread, oatmeal (she was really big on the oatmeal), lentils, and whole wheat pasta/Classico.
A nutritionist recommended a jarred pasta sauce?0 -
I simply do not believe that there is a biological mechanism whereby a small amount of protein is only digested when it is accompanied by... protein. Delighted to be proven wrong if anyone with a knowledge of biological processes cares to clarify.A gram here and there doesn't even get utilized by your body.
I don't believe this either. So the eight grams of protein in my cup of milk just don't count?
Plenty of people appear on television and write books. Doesn't mean a thing. (Actually, an "expert" that frequently appears on television has *less* credibility in my book, but I guess I'm a little cynical . . .)0 -
I just had my first meeting with a nutritionist too! I actually used my app to show her what I was eating, she was impressed (with the app, not my diet).
Anyway, she told me the following:
- Eat every four hours during the day
- Have *some* sort of carbs at every meal
- My theme of high protein/low carb wasn't a good idea. Even if I land under my calorie goal for the day, too much protein just leads to fat. Since I'm actually working out now I need fuel/carbs not chicken, her words.
- I asked if I should eat back my exercise calories and she looked like me like I was an idiot and said *no*
- She recommended whole wheat bread, oatmeal (she was really big on the oatmeal), lentils, and whole wheat pasta/Classico.
- She approved of my love for salmon
Random note-- I just tasted Almond milk for the first time today and it's delicious. I'm totally going to switch over.
Since this thread is about nutritionists, I have to point out that nutritionists and dietitians are not the same thing, and in most cases advice is better sought from a dietitian.
In terms of this post, if you didn't explain how MFP works - ie giving a calorie deficit to lose weight without exercise - most people assume you are using/partially using exercise to create your deficit for weight loss rather than your initial daily calorie goal and therefore will tell you you shouldn't eat your exercise calories. On MFP, that can create a deficit that for many people is too large to be healthy.0 -
Today I had an appointment with a world-renowned nutritionists. Aside from a host of problems that I've realized I have, I learned a lot of things about food in general that I thought I'd share.
1. American-grown whole wheat products are one of the worst things to put in your body. Because there is such a surplus, it sits around for a long time causing those products to contain a lot of mold which causes adverse reactions. The only reason it was being pushed so much by the old food pyramid was because it was created and funded by the whole-wheat manufacturers.
2. Cow's milk products should ONLY be consumed if they are organic. Non-organic products contain the bovine growth hormone which causes a whole slew of problems in humans, including acne!
3. Vitamin D is best absorbed after a fat. If you take a fish oil supplement, take the vitamin D right after for optimum absorption.
4. Cod liver oil is the best fish oil to take (make sure it has had the mercury filtered out!)
5. Food logs here are WAY off when it comes to protein. You should be getting a minimum of 4-5 servings of protein a day from CONCENTRATED sources. A gram here and there doesn't even get utilized by your body. A serving is about 15 grams. 6 oz of greek yogurt, 3 oz of fish, 1 whole egg and 2 whites or 4 egg whites, etc. I thought I was getting enough because my log claimed that my protein was consistently high, but it turns out that my body is literally eating my muscles because I'm so extremely protein deficient.
6. Sunflower nut butter is the best nut butter because of the magnesium (most people have a deficiency, which is bad because it acts as a catalyst in your body)
7. Don't be afraid of avocados because they are high in calories! It is proven that people who consume avocado lose more weight than those who don't (not to mention the monstrous amounts of health benefits that avocados provide)
Just thought I'd share some of the things I learned today. I know they will impact my life and eating habits for the better, and I hope it does the same for you!
:flowerforyou: sharing is happiness, thanks!
on second thought....hhhhhhmmmmmm?????0 -
¸I just had my first meeting with a nutritionist too! I actually used my app to show her what I was eating, she was impressed (with the app, not my diet).
Anyway, she told me the following:
- Eat every four hours during the day
- Have *some* sort of carbs at every meal
- My theme of high protein/low carb wasn't a good idea. Even if I land under my calorie goal for the day, too much protein just leads to fat. Since I'm actually working out now I need fuel/carbs not chicken, her words.
- You don`t need to eat every 4 hours unless you have some special medical condition we don't know about (is it because of PCOS? And if so, why?)
- why do you need carbs at every meal?
- that is complete nonsense. Extra protein does not get turned into fat if you're under your maintenance calories for the day.0 -
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Thanks for sharing. I was often "over" on the protein on MFP too and was wondering if it was harmful to my diet to be getting too much protein. One thing I have to disagree with the nutritionist is that your body is eating up your muscle when protein is too low. That is only true if your BMI is below 10 which maybe yours is. It is teens for men. I would say most people women are above 10 BMI. I know this from a rgid military study that was done. I cut out whole grains and dairy and pasta three weeks ago and I have lost 10lbs. The thing I have learned about nutritional advise is it seems to constantly change. Thanks again.
My blood tests showed that my muscles were being eaten by my body due to excess lactic acid being released from low protein intake. I'm just relaying the information my tests showed so other people don't make the same mistake and end up in this place... it's no fun.0 -
5. Food logs here are WAY off when it comes to protein. You should be getting a minimum of 4-5 servings of protein a day from CONCENTRATED sources. A gram here and there doesn't even get utilized by your body. A serving is about 15 grams. 6 oz of greek yogurt, 3 oz of fish, 1 whole egg and 2 whites or 4 egg whites, etc. I thought I was getting enough because my log claimed that my protein was consistently high, but it turns out that my body is literally eating my muscles because I'm so extremely protein deficient.
This is interesting. I'm curious - did your nutritionist say that this is the amount you should be consuming only because of your activity level? I know people on MFP like to encourage a certain amount of protein, and that is usually included in a conversation about fitness, whereas some organizations like WHO generally recommend a much smaller amount for the average person. So I was just wondering if she/he noted that you should be consuming x amount because of your activity level or if they made it more generalized to everyone?
It was more of a general statement. Everyone should be eating several servings of concentrated protein every day.0 -
With all due respect, while that sounds impressive, those are not credentials that necessarily mean anything. I've seen utter rubbish claimed in books and you only have to switch on the TV to see how many idiots get to appear as "experts". For instance "been in the business for over 40 years" can mean either "Highly experienced" or "Qualified 40 years ago and whose knowledge is hopelessly out of date". Not that I'm suggesting this is the case here, I've no idea who you're talking about and know nothing about their qualifications or continuing professional development.The advice I got was from a well-respected nutritionist who has been in the business for over 40 years and has appeared on many TV shows and written many books.
Only poorly stored grain contains mould. Storing it correctly is hardly rocket science. No idea what happens in practice in America, but that seems like an extremely sweeping generalisation and I am deeply suspicious of those.Because there is such a surplus, it sits around for a long time causing those products to contain a lot of mold which causes adverse reactions.
Perhaps it being a traditional staple food for much of the population had a bearing too...The only reason it was being pushed so much by the old food pyramid was because it was created and funded by the whole-wheat manufacturers.
Maybe in your country. Not everyone's.Non-organic products contain the bovine growth hormone which causes a whole slew of problems in humans, including acne!
I simply do not believe that there is a biological mechanism whereby a small amount of protein is only digested when it is accompanied by... protein. Delighted to be proven wrong if anyone with a knowledge of biological processes cares to clarify.A gram here and there doesn't even get utilized by your body.
I should have specified that this was for American products- she gave recommendations for Greek and Icelandic yogurts that were perfectly OK because they don't use growth hormones there. I think I misspoke about the protein; it's not that your body doesn't use it, of course it does, It's just that in such small amounts it doesn't do much. Feel free to look at my diary; I thought I was getting plenty of protein because of what my macros said at the end of the day, but it turns out that according to my blood work I was protein-deficient to the point where my body is eating away at my muscles; I am considered "malnourished" in regards to protein when it comes to my blood test results. Another thing about eating whole wheat is that it actually blocks the absorption of vitamins. Whole wheat is considered an "antinutrient".
http://www.healthy-eating-politics.com/phytic-acid.html0 -
Thanks for sharing and best of luck!! :flowerforyou:0
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"Researchers now believe phytic acid, found in the fiber of legumes and grains, is the major ingredient responsible for preventing colon cancer and other cancers.[1][23]" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytic_acid0 -
Nice...but why did you go see a nutritionist?? You need to gain weight right?0
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As for #5 - I knew this! I try to eat about 120g of protien per day. I keep reading you should eat 1-2g PER lb of lean body mass.0
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My doctor just instructed me to cut out dairy and wheat products. Couldn't find much on why wheat products were bad but that really makes sense. Dairy I know that most people don't have the digestive enzymes to properly handle these products and I was lactose intolerant as a child so it makes sense for me.
I've been on a nutrition documentary/fact binge in the last year or so. It's SO interesting how the government/food industry recommends things we should really stay away from and how terrible most products on the shelves are. With all the preservatives and stuff it's no wonder people are so sick, get cancer and are obese!0 -
Good info! A bit extreme in terms of, well, being SPUN, but there's certainly value in it.0
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As for #5 - I knew this! I try to eat about 120g of protien per day. I keep reading you should eat 1-2g PER lb of lean body mass.
This is a great idea for people who exercise and have no liver or kidney disease. Sedentary folk can get away with less, I think.0 -
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I've always wanted to try avocado's but not sure what to do with them.
OMG! Missing out! Mash, add lemon, some chilli flakes, garlic and lemon juice and you have an AWESOME dip. To be a little more naughty you can also add a teaspoon of mayo and natural yoghurt. Eat with wafer crackers, rice cakes, carrot sticks or bread! YUM!
Also awesome at breaky. Spread on toast with some sliced tomato, salt and peper. Delicious!
Can also be added to ANY green salad.
Swap butter for avocado on a chicken sandwich.
There's heaps to do with them!
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My theme of high protein/low carb wasn't a good idea. Even if I land under my calorie goal for the day, too much protein just leads to fat. Since I'm actually working out now I need fuel/carbs not chicken, her words.
- I asked if I should eat back my exercise calories and she looked like me like I was an idiot and said *no*
Were you seeing her for weight loss? I've lost all of my weight from watching my carb and sugar intake (let's face it, carbs turn into a form of sugar anyway). Check out the doco 'Fat Head' and google issues with the food pyramid. When I'm super strict and cut wheat and grains out for a couple of days my bloating disappears and my stomach flattens. I'm practially a dress size smaller! How did she explain the success of the Dukan diet or the Paleo diet? Both which rely heavily on fats and less carbs. Not saying people should do them, just that cutting carbs and upping my fat intake really worked for me. Curbed the cravings and kept the hunger pains away. Don't even need to count the calories and still manage to lose! Each to their own but experiment and see what works for you.0 -
Oh and ps. I find milk the hardest to wrap my head around and choose!
Milk is high in sugar which I really want to cut down on. It's my highest sugar item usually!
Almond milk that I can find is also full of sugar.
Soy is low in sugar but apparently way too processed (paleo diet).
ARGH! I'm thinking of switching it up between them all. Spread the evil um... love. Lol.0 -
I just had my first meeting with a nutritionist too! I actually used my app to show her what I was eating, she was impressed (with the app, not my diet).
Anyway, she told me the following:
- Eat every four hours during the day
- Have *some* sort of carbs at every meal
- My theme of high protein/low carb wasn't a good idea. Even if I land under my calorie goal for the day, too much protein just leads to fat. Since I'm actually working out now I need fuel/carbs not chicken, her words.
- I asked if I should eat back my exercise calories and she looked like me like I was an idiot and said *no*
- She recommended whole wheat bread, oatmeal (she was really big on the oatmeal), lentils, and whole wheat pasta/Classico.
- She approved of my love for salmon
Random note-- I just tasted Almond milk for the first time today and it's delicious. I'm totally going to switch over.
All of this is GREAT information..... If you are generally healthy. I would simply add the Caveat that IF YOU ARE DIABETIC (as I am), this diet choice will throw you off the recovery/ maintenance wagon with your sugar/A1C results. We Type2's that don't want to take insulin, and manage with diet and exercise HAVE to stay below 50 carbs per meal or 15 per snack. or our numbers go up! Oatmeal???? Don't even think about it if you're type 2. So just adding that your information is good, and accurate.... For you! GREAT POST!0 -
Thanks for sharing. I was often "over" on the protein on MFP too and was wondering if it was harmful to my diet to be getting too much protein. One thing I have to disagree with the nutritionist is that your body is eating up your muscle when protein is too low. That is only true if your BMI is below 10 which maybe yours is. It is teens for men. I would say most people women are above 10 BMI. I know this from a rgid military study that was done. I cut out whole grains and dairy and pasta three weeks ago and I have lost 10lbs. The thing I have learned about nutritional advise is it seems to constantly change. Thanks again.
what?
How does BMI factor into catabolism?
If someone has a BMI of 9 & is eating above maintenance level, with adequate protein intake & resistance training they will not lose muscle mass.
Same goes for someone at BMI of 30.
If you didn't know BMI is BS. I'm overweight & aiming for obese.0 -
bumpToday I had an appointment with a world-renowned nutritionists. Aside from a host of problems that I've realized I have, I learned a lot of things about food in general that I thought I'd share.
1. American-grown whole wheat products are one of the worst things to put in your body. Because there is such a surplus, it sits around for a long time causing those products to contain a lot of mold which causes adverse reactions. The only reason it was being pushed so much by the old food pyramid was because it was created and funded by the whole-wheat manufacturers.
2. Cow's milk products should ONLY be consumed if they are organic. Non-organic products contain the bovine growth hormone which causes a whole slew of problems in humans, including acne!
3. Vitamin D is best absorbed after a fat. If you take a fish oil supplement, take the vitamin D right after for optimum absorption.
4. Cod liver oil is the best fish oil to take (make sure it has had the mercury filtered out!)
5. Food logs here are WAY off when it comes to protein. You should be getting a minimum of 4-5 servings of protein a day from CONCENTRATED sources. A gram here and there doesn't even get utilized by your body. A serving is about 15 grams. 6 oz of greek yogurt, 3 oz of fish, 1 whole egg and 2 whites or 4 egg whites, etc. I thought I was getting enough because my log claimed that my protein was consistently high, but it turns out that my body is literally eating my muscles because I'm so extremely protein deficient.
6. Sunflower nut butter is the best nut butter because of the magnesium (most people have a deficiency, which is bad because it acts as a catalyst in your body)
7. Don't be afraid of avocados because they are high in calories! It is proven that people who consume avocado lose more weight than those who don't (not to mention the monstrous amounts of health benefits that avocados provide)
Just thought I'd share some of the things I learned today. I know they will impact my life and eating habits for the better, and I hope it does the same for you!
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I found this too!! Wierd!! And I found it tastes nicer (but maybe thats just in my head!!)Very cool, thanks for sharing. I started buying organic milk because it lasts longer than regular milk before it expires and as I'm the only one drinking it, it prevents wasting it. Does anyone know why that is?0 -
I guess there are perks to being lactose intolerant
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Great post. Thanks!!0
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Oh and ps. I find milk the hardest to wrap my head around and choose!
Milk is high in sugar which I really want to cut down on. It's my highest sugar item usually!
Almond milk that I can find is also full of sugar.
Soy is low in sugar but apparently way too processed (paleo diet).
ARGH! I'm thinking of switching it up between them all. Spread the evil um... love. Lol.
Trader Joe's has an organic unsweetened soy milk that only contains soybeans and water0 -
Nice thank you!0
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I found this too!! Wierd!! And I found it tastes nicer (but maybe thats just in my head!!)Very cool, thanks for sharing. I started buying organic milk because it lasts longer than regular milk before it expires and as I'm the only one drinking it, it prevents wasting it. Does anyone know why that is?
I believe that most organic milk is 'ultra pasterized' which makes it last longer.0
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