Giving up Meat

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  • tidmutt
    tidmutt Posts: 317
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    It baffles me why you care. How is it hurting you if someone makes a decision not to kill animals for their own gratification?

    I know I come across quite militant on this subject, but having had 21 years of meat eaters criticising my moral choice, which I firmly believes gives me the moral high ground, I do tend to take the offensive on this these days. Respect other people's decisions. And by respect, I mean don't be so rude as to criticise them. You have no idea how much flack vegetarians get, constantly, and it is completely infuriating.

    Nowhere have I been disrespectful, in fact I have said several times that I respect the OPs and others decision to not eat meat. I'm trying to understand why you are taking your frustration out on me. I never said anything about the OPs decision not to kill animals I was addressing the point she made about meat consumption and cancer risk.

    Please direct your anger at someone who deserves it.
  • batalina
    batalina Posts: 209 Member
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    melitsace, welcome to the world of no-meat! the welcome-comittee of negative naysayers is an accurate picture of the treatment you can expect in the future, sad to say. i've been vegetarian for nearly 4 years and vegan for 3, and i still encounter comments like these -- people always think they're being so original with the snarky ones, too! luckily we have Defensive Omnivore Bingo... how many of these squares can we mark off just from this thread? http://vegansaurus.com/post/254784826/defensive-omnivore-bingo

    anyhow, i really love the site http://vegweb.com/ . pretty much every time i'm like, "how can i make _______ without meat?" i end up here. i've liked this: http://vegweb.com/index.php?topic=5072.0 and i LOVE this: http://vegweb.com/index.php?topic=7578.0 . in general, they have a veg version of just about everything.
    other good resources i enjoy are http://fatfreevegan.com/, http://kblog.lunchboxbunch.com/, and http://www.theppk.com/ . i know you said you're not vegan, but the methods of substituting for meat on these sites might be of use to you.

    good luck! :D
  • ctalimenti
    ctalimenti Posts: 865 Member
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    I like this thread. Looking for recipes as my son has become a veg.
  • TyatKU
    TyatKU Posts: 31 Member
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    [/quote]

    And yet our teeth bear more resemblance to herbivores than other omnivore species........ Look at rats.
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    If they have incisors and canines they have an evolutionary history of eating meat. Trust me on this one lol.
  • _VoV
    _VoV Posts: 1,494 Member
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    I can't give up meet; that's insulting to God.
    If God did not want us eating animals, why did He make them out of meat?

    Uh, humans are made of meat. So are dogs. God must want you to be a dog-eating zombie cannibal.

    Humans are omnivores, as proven by our teeth. We can survive without meat, but we evolved eating both.

    So? How does that matter? Humans used to be cave-dwellers once. Should that inform our dwelling choices now?

    Being an omnivore means you can eat a whole spectrum of foods. Why not choose the best foods among them? Humans have the power of reason and discernment, so why not use it?

    If you read breaking nutrition news, the overwhelming evidence is that a diet rich in fruits and vegetables is optimal for more reasons than I can list. At best, these studies indicate if there is any meat in the diet at all, that it should be treated like a condiment.
  • tidmutt
    tidmutt Posts: 317
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    melitsace, welcome to the world of no-meat! the welcome-comittee of negative naysayers is an accurate picture of the treatment you can expect in the future, sad to say. i've been vegetarian for nearly 4 years and vegan for 3, and i still encounter comments like these -- people always think they're being so original with the snarky ones, too! luckily we have Defensive Omnivore Bingo... how many of these squares can we mark off just from this thread? http://vegansaurus.com/post/254784826/defensive-omnivore-bingo

    anyhow, i really love the site http://vegweb.com/ . pretty much every time i'm like, "how can i make _______ without meat?" i end up here. i've liked this: http://vegweb.com/index.php?topic=5072.0 and i LOVE this: http://vegweb.com/index.php?topic=7578.0 . in general, they have a veg version of just about everything.
    other good resources i enjoy are http://fatfreevegan.com/, http://kblog.lunchboxbunch.com/, and http://www.theppk.com/ . i know you said you're not vegan, but the methods of substituting for meat on these sites might be of use to you.

    good luck! :D

    You might be surprised that when I tell people I eat Primal/Paleo that I receive similar sorts of treatment. With comments like "you'll die of a heart attack", "you'll get cancer", "have you read The China Study". I try to tell people that I eat more vegetables and fruit that I ever have before but they associate it with Atkins (incorrectly) and then point out (incorrectly) that he diet of a heart attack and then announce to me that we all died young prior to the invention of agriculture (another unfounded belief).
  • shreddin_mama
    shreddin_mama Posts: 1,076 Member
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    You just go under group under community or here is the link for happy herbivores http://www.myfitnesspal.com/forums/show/62-happy-herbivores
  • Haven74
    Haven74 Posts: 11
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    I don't remember the specific wording of the OPs reply to someone who asked why they decided to give up meat, but I do remember OP saying something about either preventing or reducing risks of cancer(s). Saying meats cause cancer and not eating meat will prevent cancer is indeed inaccurate, but to say that meats are not a cause of *certain* cancers is also inaccurate. Yes, there are several types of cancers, and several ways to be susceptible to any number of those cancers, just as there are ways to REDUCE (not eliminate) your risks of developing certain types of cancer.

    I'm not trying to say this to be argumentative, rather giving some clarification on the matter.
    Eating a vegetarian diet will not prevent cancer, but reducing or eliminating your consumption of meats can reduce the risks to certain types of cancers.

    Here are a few reputable articles regarding this matter -
    http://preventcancer.aicr.org/site/PageServer?pagename=elements_red_processed_meat

    http://www.cancerproject.org/survival/cancer_facts/meat.php

    http://www.cancer.org/Healthy/EatHealthyGetActive/ACSGuidelinesonNutritionPhysicalActivityforCancerPrevention/acs-guidelines-on-nutrition-and-physical-activity-for-cancer-prevention-diet-cancer-questions

    http://jama.ama-assn.org/content/293/2/172.abstract
  • TyatKU
    TyatKU Posts: 31 Member
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    I can't give up meet; that's insulting to God.
    If God did not want us eating animals, why did He make them out of meat?

    Uh, humans are made of meat. So are dogs. God must want you to be a dog-eating zombie cannibal.

    Humans are omnivores, as proven by our teeth. We can survive without meat, but we evolved eating both.

    So? How does that matter? Humans used to be cave-dwellers once. Should that inform our dwelling choices now?

    Being an omnivore means you can eat a whole spectrum of foods. Why not choose the best foods among them? Humans have the power of reason and discernment, so why not use it?

    If you read breaking nutrition news, the overwhelming evidence is that a diet rich in fruits and vegetables is optimal for more reasons than I can list. At best, these studies indicate if there is any meat in the diet at all, that it should be treated like a condiment.

    Take it easy, I was just telling the above guy I originally quoted that we evolved eating both. And yes, as far as your comment on dwelling goes, we still live in safest homes available to us....
  • LaurenAOK
    LaurenAOK Posts: 2,475 Member
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    I know you said you're not big into bean recipes, but the other night we had taco night at my parents house and I replaced the meat in my taco with black beans. IT WAS DELICIOUS.

    Of course it wasn't the healthiest choice (beans, lettuce, cheese, and sour cream in a tortilla), but if you can ever afford to splurge a bit I seriously suggest black bean tacos.
  • tidmutt
    tidmutt Posts: 317
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    I can't give up meet; that's insulting to God.
    If God did not want us eating animals, why did He make them out of meat?

    Uh, humans are made of meat. So are dogs. God must want you to be a dog-eating zombie cannibal.

    Humans are omnivores, as proven by our teeth. We can survive without meat, but we evolved eating both.

    So? How does that matter? Humans used to be cave-dwellers once. Should that inform our dwelling choices now?

    Being an omnivore means you can eat a whole spectrum of foods. Why not choose the best foods among them? Humans have the power of reason and discernment, so why not use it?

    If you read breaking nutrition news, the overwhelming evidence is that a diet rich in fruits and vegetables is optimal for more reasons than I can list. At best, these studies indicate if there is any meat in the diet at all, that it should be treated like a condiment.

    Evolutionary biology is a useful tool to help us frame our approach to nutrition but I agree that it should be informed by science and our understanding of the optimal mix of macro nutrients. We shouldn't dogmatically only eat what we evolved to eat if science tells us eating XYZ is actually more optimal. There is no reason to say that some particular food that may not have been accessible to us prior to agriculture might not be the ultimate health food, however, that food doesn't seem to exist yet, at least based on my experience. So I'm agreeing with you in part, but please if you are going to make scientific claims then back them up with some links to published research or articles citing published research. You may believe that the evidence is overwhelming but that doesn't mean I should believe you. :)
  • _VoV
    _VoV Posts: 1,494 Member
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    I can't give up meet; that's insulting to God.
    If God did not want us eating animals, why did He make them out of meat?

    Uh, humans are made of meat. So are dogs. God must want you to be a dog-eating zombie cannibal.

    Humans are omnivores, as proven by our teeth. We can survive without meat, but we evolved eating both.

    So? How does that matter? Humans used to be cave-dwellers once. Should that inform our dwelling choices now?

    Being an omnivore means you can eat a whole spectrum of foods. Why not choose the best foods among them? Humans have the power of reason and discernment, so why not use it?

    If you read breaking nutrition news, the overwhelming evidence is that a diet rich in fruits and vegetables is optimal for more reasons than I can list. At best, these studies indicate if there is any meat in the diet at all, that it should be treated like a condiment.

    Take it easy, I was just telling the above guy I originally quoted that we evolved eating both. And yes, as far as your comment on dwelling goes, we still live in safest homes available to us....

    Okay....I just thought we were on the cusp of the predictable 'But, what about our canine teeth?' thing. Glad we aren't.
  • tidmutt
    tidmutt Posts: 317
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    I can't give up meet; that's insulting to God.
    If God did not want us eating animals, why did He make them out of meat?

    Uh, humans are made of meat. So are dogs. God must want you to be a dog-eating zombie cannibal.

    Humans are omnivores, as proven by our teeth. We can survive without meat, but we evolved eating both.

    So? How does that matter? Humans used to be cave-dwellers once. Should that inform our dwelling choices now?

    Being an omnivore means you can eat a whole spectrum of foods. Why not choose the best foods among them? Humans have the power of reason and discernment, so why not use it?

    If you read breaking nutrition news, the overwhelming evidence is that a diet rich in fruits and vegetables is optimal for more reasons than I can list. At best, these studies indicate if there is any meat in the diet at all, that it should be treated like a condiment.

    Take it easy, I was just telling the above guy I originally quoted that we evolved eating both. And yes, as far as your comment on dwelling goes, we still live in safest homes available to us....

    Okay....I just thought we were on the cusp of the predictable 'But, what about our canine teeth?' thing. Glad we aren't.

    This is such a murky area, I just read in New Scientist about the latest analysis of the preserved remains of a male hunter gatherer. When looking at the contents of his stomach they found it filled with meat and his gallbladder also indicated that he ate large amounts of fat. I should mention that he lived in a cold climate. If anyone is interested I can dig up the details and maybe find a link. It's in last week's New Scientist.
  • _VoV
    _VoV Posts: 1,494 Member
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    I can't give up meet; that's insulting to God.
    If God did not want us eating animals, why did He make them out of meat?

    Uh, humans are made of meat. So are dogs. God must want you to be a dog-eating zombie cannibal.

    Humans are omnivores, as proven by our teeth. We can survive without meat, but we evolved eating both.

    So? How does that matter? Humans used to be cave-dwellers once. Should that inform our dwelling choices now?

    Being an omnivore means you can eat a whole spectrum of foods. Why not choose the best foods among them? Humans have the power of reason and discernment, so why not use it?

    If you read breaking nutrition news, the overwhelming evidence is that a diet rich in fruits and vegetables is optimal for more reasons than I can list. At best, these studies indicate if there is any meat in the diet at all, that it should be treated like a condiment.

    Evolutionary biology is a useful tool to help us frame our approach to nutrition but I agree that it should be informed by science and our understanding of the optimal mix of macro nutrients. We shouldn't dogmatically only eat what we evolved to eat if science tells us eating XYZ is actually more optimal. There is no reason to say that some particular food that may not have been accessible to us prior to agriculture might not be the ultimate health food, however, that food doesn't seem to exist yet, at least based on my experience. So I'm agreeing with you in part, but please if you are going to make scientific claims then back them up with some links to published research or articles citing published research. You may believe that the evidence is overwhelming but that doesn't mean I should believe you. :)

    I agree with you. I worked as a health sciences librarian for 20 years, and I have great respect for the scientific literature. My comments are impressionistic. I read Science News for breaking nutrition news every day. Most of the research only looks at specific foods or nutrients in isolation which doesn't help form a holistic dietary imperative. But, it does appear that many fruits and vegetables alone or in combination have amazing health benefits.
  • tidmutt
    tidmutt Posts: 317
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    I can't give up meet; that's insulting to God.
    If God did not want us eating animals, why did He make them out of meat?

    Uh, humans are made of meat. So are dogs. God must want you to be a dog-eating zombie cannibal.

    Humans are omnivores, as proven by our teeth. We can survive without meat, but we evolved eating both.

    So? How does that matter? Humans used to be cave-dwellers once. Should that inform our dwelling choices now?

    Being an omnivore means you can eat a whole spectrum of foods. Why not choose the best foods among them? Humans have the power of reason and discernment, so why not use it?

    If you read breaking nutrition news, the overwhelming evidence is that a diet rich in fruits and vegetables is optimal for more reasons than I can list. At best, these studies indicate if there is any meat in the diet at all, that it should be treated like a condiment.

    Evolutionary biology is a useful tool to help us frame our approach to nutrition but I agree that it should be informed by science and our understanding of the optimal mix of macro nutrients. We shouldn't dogmatically only eat what we evolved to eat if science tells us eating XYZ is actually more optimal. There is no reason to say that some particular food that may not have been accessible to us prior to agriculture might not be the ultimate health food, however, that food doesn't seem to exist yet, at least based on my experience. So I'm agreeing with you in part, but please if you are going to make scientific claims then back them up with some links to published research or articles citing published research. You may believe that the evidence is overwhelming but that doesn't mean I should believe you. :)

    I agree with you. I worked as a health sciences librarian for 20 years, and I have great respect for the scientific literature. My comments are impressionistic. I read Science News for breaking nutrition news every day. Most of the research only looks at specific foods or nutrients in isolation which doesn't help form a holistic dietary imperative. But, it does appear that many fruits and vegetables alone or in combination have amazing health benefits.

    That's fair enough, this area is so complex and impossible to really understand completely I think we have to form out own opinions based on a gut feel. My personal approach is to eat loads of vegetables and also clean protein (pastured, grass fed), wild fish etc. for their superior omega 3/6 ratio. This is the essence of Paleo/Primal.

    Although if I filled in my food diary for the Christmas period if wouldn't look like that, LOL. :) We all need a week off I suppose. :)
  • traceracer
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    Oh good Lord!!! Congrats OP on not wanting to eat meat and good luck! Anyone who disagrees should go eat a steak! Worry about yourselves. I guess Im just mad at myself for reading this whole thread....
  • batalina
    batalina Posts: 209 Member
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    melitsace, welcome to the world of no-meat! the welcome-comittee of negative naysayers is an accurate picture of the treatment you can expect in the future, sad to say. i've been vegetarian for nearly 4 years and vegan for 3, and i still encounter comments like these -- people always think they're being so original with the snarky ones, too! luckily we have Defensive Omnivore Bingo... how many of these squares can we mark off just from this thread? http://vegansaurus.com/post/254784826/defensive-omnivore-bingo

    anyhow, i really love the site http://vegweb.com/ . pretty much every time i'm like, "how can i make _______ without meat?" i end up here. i've liked this: http://vegweb.com/index.php?topic=5072.0 and i LOVE this: http://vegweb.com/index.php?topic=7578.0 . in general, they have a veg version of just about everything.
    other good resources i enjoy are http://fatfreevegan.com/, http://kblog.lunchboxbunch.com/, and http://www.theppk.com/ . i know you said you're not vegan, but the methods of substituting for meat on these sites might be of use to you.

    good luck! :D

    You might be surprised that when I tell people I eat Primal/Paleo that I receive similar sorts of treatment. With comments like "you'll die of a heart attack", "you'll get cancer", "have you read The China Study". I try to tell people that I eat more vegetables and fruit that I ever have before but they associate it with Atkins (incorrectly) and then point out (incorrectly) that he diet of a heart attack and then announce to me that we all died young prior to the invention of agriculture (another unfounded belief).

    i bet! i have some paleo friends and they get a lot of crap, too. i guess pretty much any diet or lifestyle choice regarding food can draw negativity from people who don't understand!
  • Myrtlemama4
    Myrtlemama4 Posts: 92 Member
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    Ive been a vegetarian for almost 12 years and LOVE the food choices available now. Quorn is a GREAT brand..you can make tacos, chili with the crumbles..the chicken is so good too!
  • _VoV
    _VoV Posts: 1,494 Member
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    Oh good Lord!!! Congrats OP on not wanting to eat meat and good luck! Anyone who disagrees should go eat a steak! Worry about yourselves. I guess Im just mad at myself for reading this whole thread....

    Hahahaha!! So to the point!!

    And the next time some guy posts a thread called 'I love meat,' maybe I won't just let them just have their fun without my vegetarian slant on the topic. It looks like even when meat-eating isn't being challenged, that some people just can't stay away to defend their love for the flesh.
  • tidmutt
    tidmutt Posts: 317
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    Oh good Lord!!! Congrats OP on not wanting to eat meat and good luck! Anyone who disagrees should go eat a steak! Worry about yourselves. I guess Im just mad at myself for reading this whole thread....

    Hahahaha!! So to the point!!

    And the next time some guy posts a thread called 'I love meat,' maybe I won't just let them just have their fun without my vegetarian slant on the topic. It looks like even when meat-eating isn't being challenged, that some people just can't stay away to defend their love for the flesh.

    Why the hell not? :) Start an informed discussion, nothing wrong with a lively debate!

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