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      I'm confused, where in the legislation is this? I did a quick search, but didn't find it. I thought organic only meant pesticide and hormone free.

      http://www.fsis.usda.gov/Factsheets/Meat_&_Poultry_Labeling_Terms/index.asp#4

      FREE RANGE or FREE ROAMING:
      Producers must demonstrate to the Agency that the poultry has been allowed access to the outside.

      This is all that's required for poultry to be labeled "Free Range" in the US.
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      Organic does not equal free range. Free range is an unregulated term in the US, with the exception of USDA description of free-range for broiler hens, which does include access to outdoors, though there is no specified standard for what that even means. So, organic eggs, organic beef, organic milk, organic pork, organic buffalo, etc, does not equal free range (even though they are supposed to have some sort of temporally and physically limited access to the outdoors), and even if it did that is an unregulated term anyway so can mean a wide variety of things. It's misleading to say that organic equals free range when "free range" does not have a nationally accepted definition and is not regulated.

      With regards to US labeling and access to outside, orgainic and free range labels mean exactly the same thing. Organic has other regulations that have nothing to do with outside access.
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      I'm a college student so I can't really afford Organic products, at least not all of them. In the proper season though I do shop for veggies locally at a farmer's market. Once I can afford it I'll probably at least buy free range products, and I drink almond milk too. Sorry if this offends, but I eat healthy as a college student, so to me food is food. It's better than ramen noodles and KD like some other students.
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      There is a very interesting website called Millions Against Monsanto (also a Facebook page). Most countries refuse to use their seeds and products but used here in the US. All the hormones in our foods is one of the main reasons little girls are getting breasts and their periods at the age of 10.
      IF I can get it and IF I can afford it I try to use organic as much as possible.
    • Posts: 274 Member
      There's a lot more reasons why Monsanto is evil, beyond genetically modified seeds and hormones.
    • Posts: 3,161 Member
      There's a lot more reasons why Monsanto is evil, beyond genetically modified seeds and hormones.

      Yes there are. I won't get into it on this site any longer. Too many people begin to think you are a conspiracy theorist and I am not going down that road again.

      This is my second account after I had to delete my former account............
    • Posts: 564 Member
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      http://www.fsis.usda.gov/Factsheets/Meat_&_Poultry_Labeling_Terms/index.asp#4

      FREE RANGE or FREE ROAMING:
      Producers must demonstrate to the Agency that the poultry has been allowed access to the outside.

      This is all that's required for poultry to be labeled "Free Range" in the US.

      I wasn't asking about free range. I was asking about the stipulations for organic: http://www.ams.usda.gov/AMSv1.0/getfile?dDocName=STELDEV3004446&acct=nopgeninfo

      And no where does it state that US chickens that are labeled as organic are also free range unless otherwise noted. That's my point.
    • Posts: 17,299 Member
      I wasn't asking about free range. I was asking about the stipulations for organic: http://www.ams.usda.gov/AMSv1.0/getfile?dDocName=STELDEV3004446&acct=nopgeninfo

      And no where does it state that US chickens that are labeled as organic are also free range unless otherwise noted. That's my point.

      Sorry, you have to follow a couple of links to get here:
      http://www.ams.usda.gov/AMSv1.0/ams.fetchTemplateData.do?template=TemplateN&navID=OrganicStandardsLinkNOPNationalList&rightNav1=OrganicStandardsLinkNOPNationalList&topNav=&leftNav=&page=NOPOrganicStandards&resultType=&acct=nopgeninfo

      Organic livestock. The USDA organic seal verifies that producers met animal health and welfare standards, did not use antibiotics or growth hormones, used 100% organic feed, and provided animals with access to the outdoors.
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      Sorry, you have to follow a couple of links to get here:
      http://www.ams.usda.gov/AMSv1.0/ams.fetchTemplateData.do?template=TemplateN&navID=OrganicStandardsLinkNOPNationalList&rightNav1=OrganicStandardsLinkNOPNationalList&topNav=&leftNav=&page=NOPOrganicStandards&resultType=&acct=nopgeninfo

      Organic livestock. The USDA organic seal verifies that producers met animal health and welfare standards, did not use antibiotics or growth hormones, used 100% organic feed, and provided animals with access to the outdoors.

      To the OP in this quote, I agree - the labeling of broiler hens as "organic" does not equal "free range," that would be an additional label (and the only farmed animal that the USDA will approve that label for). Producers have to apply for the separate "free range" label alongside the organic label, according to the USDA:

      FREE RANGE or FREE ROAMING:
      Producers must demonstrate to the Agency that the poultry has been allowed access to the outside.

      And to clarify on the USDA's description of organic as well - it says "The USDA organic seal verifies that producers met animal health and welfare standards," but there are actually no animal welfare standards for farmed animals at the federal level other than the Humane Slaughter Act. The USDA's statement is very misleading in its wording and could lead consumers to believe that when the USDA has approved the "organic" label that the animals have also been raised according to certain welfare standards, but there are none.
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      Monsanto is evil. Everyone knows it or should know it. They are ruining our environment and our food supply, plus they are too involved in the government.
      This!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:noway: :grumble: :explode: :angry: :mad: :sad:
    • Posts: 509 Member
      i grew up on a dairy farm and trust me, their was nothing wrong with the way we treated our cows. they were spoiled rotten. until i was 14, i never even knew people pasteurized milk and i'm still alive, so that just goes to show that our government is adding steps in the natural process to drive up the price.
    • Posts: 1,364 Member
      I think everyone has a right to know what they are consuming. This is about Fox News covering up a story that effects us all. I am appalled for many reasons and shocked that this video has existed since June of 2011 and this is the first time I am seeing it. If you think this kind of cover up is the exception, think again.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6oq7X5G2f0

      We are the consumers, therefore, we are the ones with the power. If you can't afford to go completely organic try just making one grocery trip a month organic or half a grocery trip. You can also cut back on dairy or eliminate it. Trying almond, coconut, soy or rice milk is just one way. I know I am willing to sacrifice the amount of new clothing, shoes, trips to the salon, etc. so that I can afford more organic food. This may seem hopeless but we've got to at least try people!!!

      What do you all think? How many of you buy organic or local organic at that? How many of you at least buy organic milk?

      Much of what I buy is organic.

      I also avoid SOY like the plague, because it's toxic. Fermented soy (Soy sauce, Miso, and tempeh, etc.) is fine, but most of the soy in this country is not fermented. I do everything i can to keep it out of my body.
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