Cut out pork, ham, bacon...etc.

mtppatrick
mtppatrick Posts: 57
edited November 8 in Food and Nutrition
I hear the pig is an unhealthy/unclean animal that is basically a living garbage disposal. And I also hear constantly from people that it is not a healthy food (regardless of religion). I loved bacon but switched to turkey bacon, its not the same but still not bad. I also hear shellfish is another unclean type of food. This sucks cuz I LOVE seafood. Crabs, lobster, muscles, shrimp, and clams, are all tasty to me...but should I cut that stuff out as well?
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  • dls06
    dls06 Posts: 6,774 Member
    It truly depends on how far you want to take it. If you are commiting to eating a totally clean lifestyle?
    check out http://www.eatcleandiet.com/
  • Troll
    Troll Posts: 922 Member
    the term unclean in terms of meat typically comes from religion. If you eat ANY mass raised animal product its pretty positive that you're eating a living garbage dump.
  • dls06
    dls06 Posts: 6,774 Member
    This may be better.
    http://cleaneatingclub.com/clean-eating-basics/what-is-clean-eating/

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  • Deecent, I really want to commit to a completely clean and healthy lifestyle!
  • HMonsterX
    HMonsterX Posts: 3,000 Member
    Deecent, I really want to commit to a completely clean and healthy lifestyle!

    More power to ya!

    I personally wont, i prefer taste and 90% healthier to no taste and 100% healthy :)
  • dls06
    dls06 Posts: 6,774 Member
    Deecent, I really want to commit to a completely clean and healthy lifestyle!
    Glad to help. Good luck.:drinker:
  • cmcole2012
    cmcole2012 Posts: 11 Member
    Deecent, I really want to commit to a completely clean and healthy lifestyle!

    More power to ya!

    I personally wont, i prefer taste and 90% healthier to no taste and 100% healthy :)

    Agreed. I need a bit of flavor in my life at least sometimes, and totally organic "clean" foods just don't have that bang.
  • dls06
    dls06 Posts: 6,774 Member
    Deecent, I really want to commit to a completely clean and healthy lifestyle!

    More power to ya!

    I personally wont, i prefer taste and 90% healthier to no taste and 100% healthy :)

    Agreed. I need a bit of flavor in my life at least sometimes, and totally organic "clean" foods just don't have that bang.
    That's why they make Vanilla and Chocolate.
  • LorinaLynn
    LorinaLynn Posts: 13,247 Member
    I'm having a Pulp Fiction flashback.
  • taso42
    taso42 Posts: 8,980 Member
    What's your motivation here, religion?

    You can't switch from hog bacon to turkey bacon in the name of eating clean. Turkey bacon is just as processed if not more. (That doesn't stop me from eating it every day).
  • rc630
    rc630 Posts: 310 Member
    As someone who has kept kosher their whole life... I don't think cutting out pig meat and shellfish will do much for your weight. If you want to "eat clean" and you feel that will make a difference, then cut out processed foods, but if you like shellfish, bacon, etc., there isn't really a good reason to cut it out. These animals were likely considered unclean during biblical times because people would get diseases from eating them (usually because they weren't properly cooked/prepared), but fi you're preparing them correctly, it shouldn't be an issue.
  • california_peach
    california_peach Posts: 1,809 Member
    I hear the pig is an unhealthy/unclean animal that is basically a living garbage disposal. And I also hear constantly from people that it is not a healthy food (regardless of religion). I loved bacon but switched to turkey bacon, its not the same but still not bad. I also hear shellfish is another unclean type of food. This sucks cuz I LOVE seafood. Crabs, lobster, muscles, shrimp, and clams, are all tasty to me...but should I cut that stuff out as well?

    Yes and also avoid anything that walks on a cloven hoof. No more goat for you, mister!
  • dhakiyya
    dhakiyya Posts: 481 Member
    I hear the pig is an unhealthy/unclean animal that is basically a living garbage disposal. And I also hear constantly from people that it is not a healthy food (regardless of religion). I loved bacon but switched to turkey bacon, its not the same but still not bad. I also hear shellfish is another unclean type of food. This sucks cuz I LOVE seafood. Crabs, lobster, muscles, shrimp, and clams, are all tasty to me...but should I cut that stuff out as well?

    seafood is a really great source of protein, but some kinds if you get them from a polluted sea it can kill you, because they are filter feeders and accumulate toxins in them. The stuff you find in the supermarket will be sourced from clean seas, they won't skimp on this because of the risk of litigation/bad publicity if someone gets a nasty case of food poisoning or even dies from their seafood. Just don't catch it and eat it yourself without checking the status of the beach.
  • taso42
    taso42 Posts: 8,980 Member
    What about potatoes? They grow in dirt. That's about as dirty as it gets! Are potatoes unclean and unhealthy?
  • iKapuniai
    iKapuniai Posts: 594 Member
    Ugh, who cares how "unclean" pig is... it's freakin' delicious!
  • LazyDaise
    LazyDaise Posts: 48 Member
    Im going to tackle the other part of your question. I'm a marine biologist and the seafood you mentioned is considered unclean because they are 'filter feeders'. They basically suck in water and any particles in it are used as food and the 'empty' water expelled. They basically act like a filter would in an aquarium. However this doesn't make them a bad food supply but it this does depend on the pollution level of where they were caught/farmed. Seafood is nutritious and high in protein.
  • dhakiyya
    dhakiyya Posts: 481 Member
    What's your motivation here, religion?

    You can't switch from hog bacon to turkey bacon in the name of eating clean. Turkey bacon is just as processed if not more. (That doesn't stop me from eating it every day).

    That's a good point.
  • In all honesty, I feel like when food is properly prepared and cooked, the elements of "unclean" basically disappear. Pork can be fattening, but lean cuts are great sources of protein. Shellfish are indeed bottom feeders, but their flesh, when cooked properly, is perfectly fine for you to eat.

    Commitment is great, but the more you restrict yourself from foods you love, the greater the likelihood of failure- its proven. When it comes to pork, ham, bacon, etc... if its processed, eat in small quantities and every so often.

    As for shellfish, I see no reason to cut that out entirely. Just a humble opinion.
  • Meggles63
    Meggles63 Posts: 916 Member
    What about potatoes? They grow in dirt. That's about as dirty as it gets! Are potatoes unclean and unhealthy?

    Carrots, radishes, lettuce, etc. That's why I drink Vodka - kills all those unclean germs!:drinker:
  • Bentley2718
    Bentley2718 Posts: 1,689 Member
    If they're given enough space to live in, pigs are actually quite clean. Pigs raised in factory farms live in awful conditions, and are fed whatever is cheapest that makes them get fat quickly.
  • Yasmine91
    Yasmine91 Posts: 599 Member
    I hear the pig is an unhealthy/unclean animal that is basically a living garbage disposal. And I also hear constantly from people that it is not a healthy food (regardless of religion). I loved bacon but switched to turkey bacon, its not the same but still not bad. I also hear shellfish is another unclean type of food. This sucks cuz I LOVE seafood. Crabs, lobster, muscles, shrimp, and clams, are all tasty to me...but should I cut that stuff out as well?

    Pigs are not meant to be eaten because their digestive system's are like us human beings. We can't poop and fertilize anything, our body's are so mucky. Sheep, cows, chickens, turkey's and fish are fine. Pigs have loads of parasites like worms in their bodies too. They're best to be left alone. In the beginning pigs were never eaten at all. Until I think some time many years ago someone insanely religious said to burn all pigs hence in Christianity, Islam and Judaism, pigs are forbidden to be consumed. So the guy in charge burnt the pigs and loved the smell. His curiosity got the better of him and so he tried some, I guess this is why pigs are now eaten. This is what my dad told me lol whether it's true or not I dunno but it's interesting XD
  • Nopedotjpeg
    Nopedotjpeg Posts: 1,805 Member
    the term unclean in terms of meat typically comes from religion. If you eat ANY mass raised animal product its pretty positive that you're eating a living garbage dump.

    This.
  • sweet110
    sweet110 Posts: 332 Member
    Pigs will eat anything. Including garbage. Which is why poor people historically eat alot of pork. But a farmed pig eats what its given. Which makes it no cleaner or more unclean than any other domesticated animal. So "cleanliness" is a function of how its raised. No more, no less.

    You may eat what you like...and if you are personally grossed out by pigs...why, sir, then do not eat them! I do not believe pork possesses any magical nutritional properties that you will miss if you stop eating them. But if your "grossed out" -ness is not a visceral reaction but a rational reaction to information...then you may feel free to stop being grossed out and eat all the domesticated pork you wish. And you can always choose animals raised in "cleaner" and more humane environments.

    (*on a side note. Beef bacon...now *there's* some yummy stuff. I wouldn't touch processed-with-food-additives-to-taste-smoky-turkey bacon with a ten foot pole. But beef bacon...that's a winner!)
  • RumOne
    RumOne Posts: 266 Member
    If you are worried about how an animal is raised and proccessed, have you thought about going to a local farm to get your beef, chicken, pork, and eggs? It will be a bit more expensive but then you can see how the animals are fed. Grass fed cattle always taste better and so does free range chickens
  • Pandorian
    Pandorian Posts: 2,055 Member
    Depends... my "pigs" pick a corner of their living area (and exercise yard etc) as their bathroom, they will go there and nowhere else as long as they have access to it. My cattle go wherever they are and always seem to end up covered in their own mess. My pigs stay cleaner than my cattle. Despite the cattle having a MUCH bigger land area to roam over.

    I'll stick to the pigs where I know what they've eaten (kitchen scraps that would otherwise be in composter) as opposed to the CAFO stuff whenever I can. Same as my beef, I'll take pasture raised and finished beef over the ones fed/ finished on grain :)
  • Nopedotjpeg
    Nopedotjpeg Posts: 1,805 Member
    I hear the pig is an unhealthy/unclean animal that is basically a living garbage disposal. And I also hear constantly from people that it is not a healthy food (regardless of religion). I loved bacon but switched to turkey bacon, its not the same but still not bad. I also hear shellfish is another unclean type of food. This sucks cuz I LOVE seafood. Crabs, lobster, muscles, shrimp, and clams, are all tasty to me...but should I cut that stuff out as well?

    Pigs are not meant to be eaten because their digestive system's are like us human beings. We can't poop and fertilize anything, our body's are so mucky. Sheep, cows, chickens, turkey's and fish are fine. Pigs have loads of parasites like worms in their bodies too. They're best to be left alone. In the beginning pigs were never eaten at all. Until I think some time many years ago someone insanely religious said to burn all pigs hence in Christianity, Islam and Judaism, pigs are forbidden to be consumed. So the guy in charge burnt the pigs and loved the smell. His curiosity got the better of him and so he tried some, I guess this is why pigs are now eaten. This is what my dad told me lol whether it's true or not I dunno but it's interesting XD

    I too get all my information from ancient religious contexts.
  • cmcole2012
    cmcole2012 Posts: 11 Member
    Deecent, I really want to commit to a completely clean and healthy lifestyle!

    More power to ya!

    I personally wont, i prefer taste and 90% healthier to no taste and 100% healthy :)

    Agreed. I need a bit of flavor in my life at least sometimes, and totally organic "clean" foods just don't have that bang.
    That's why they make Vanilla and Chocolate.

    Not much on the sweets. I enjoy savory foods, and it is nearly impossible to get the occasional comfort food while eating completely healthy. I know all the cooking tricks, but there is still something lacking when I can't get my fatty foods.
  • Yasmine91
    Yasmine91 Posts: 599 Member
    I personally don't like the idea of eating an animal that is the biggest cause in bowel and stomach cancer here in the UK. I also have Swinophobia so loool I'm scared of them and would much prefer to stay away from them. My boyfriend loves torturing me by chasing me with pork sausages -_-

    I don't eat anything from an animal now though. Pigs have the worst abuse I've ever seen in farming :'( poor things.
  • MattGetsMad
    MattGetsMad Posts: 429 Member
    These animals were likely considered unclean during biblical times because people would get diseases from eating them (usually because they weren't properly cooked/prepared), but fi you're preparing them correctly, it shouldn't be an issue.

    Had to step in here and I am quite literally about to step in it for sure, but here goes:

    During biblical times people had no idea about trichinosis or any other food born illness. There was never a doctor or scientist that was able to link people eating bad food (of any type) and people getting sick. Food laws, were created and are maintained, to promote divisiveness.

    There were no ball teams, internets, Facebooks, or other ways for people to really bond, so "breaking bread" with someone was the best way to share and exchange ideas. Religion very smartly, separated people into groups that could not "break bread" together and were therefore much easier to control.

    Chris Rock does a bit about how pork chops use to kill people and religion swearing them off because of it, but that really is just a bit and does not have any historical reference.

    Want data to back this up? Do your own research please.
  • MassiveDelta
    MassiveDelta Posts: 3,271 Member
    Ugh, who cares how "unclean" pig is... it's freakin' delicious!

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