Pasta, Not Bacon, Makes You Fat. But How?
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'If abs are a measure of correct-ness..... I vote for Acg. He eats Ben & Jerry's every day.
One person's sucess or failure does NOT equal a scientific study.
I do agree with this. N=1. What works for you may not work for me and vice versa. I think that is extremely important to keep in mind--for all of us.
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I did Atkins a few years ago, very low carb. It worked for me, and after the first week or so of adjusting to it, I liked it. And it worked. But ultimately, it wasn't something I could live with for the long run...I do like bread and pasta and fruit. It just wasn't the way I wanted to live, long term.
Now I'm eating much more consciously, but nothing is off limits. If I choose to have a piece of cake, I will have it, enjoy it, and fit it into the rest of my day/week. I'm having a little trouble getting out of the habit of automatically classifying food as risky based solely on carb count...its a mental adjustment. This is complicated by being with my partner, who is diabetic and needs to keep her carbs low...so there are a lot of times when we just aren't eating the same things, or things I get excited about trying are met with a sniff and "well, I can't have that...." Its a challenge.
Low carb diets seem very counterintuitive...on Atkins you really can eat all that bacon, all that meat, all that fish., and you do lose weight.. I've read studies that say that people are living healthy and keeping weight off living Atkins' way, and if that works for them and their doctors agree, go for it! But I don't choose to live that way.0 -
Since it appears no one looked at the article:
"One misconception regarding a high carbohydrate intake is that it will lead to chronically high insulin levels, meaning you will gain fat because lipogenesis will constantly exceed lipolysis (remember that fat gain can only occur if the rate of lipogenesis exceeds the rate of lipolysis). However, in healthy people, insulin only goes up in response to meals. This means that lipogenesis will only exceed lipolysis during the hours after a meal (known as the postprandial period). During times when you are fasting (such as extended times between meals, or when you are asleep), lipolysis will exceed lipogenesis (meaning you are burning fat). Over a 24-hour period, it will all balance out (assuming your are not consuming more calories than you are expending), meaning you do not gain weight. "
"One of the biggest misconceptions regarding insulin is that it’s needed for fat storage. It isn’t. Your body has ways to store and retain fat even when insulin is low. For example, there is an enzyme in your fat cells called hormone-sensitive lipase (HSL). HSL helps break down fat. Insulin suppresses the activity of HSL, and thus suppresses the breakdown of fat. This has caused people to point fingers at carbohydrate for causing fat gain.
However, fat will also suppress HSL even when insulin levels are low. This means you will be unable to lose fat even when carbohydrate intake is low, if you are overeating on calories. If you ate no carbohydrate but 5,000 calories of fat, you would still be unable to lose fat even though insulin would not be elevated. This would be because the high fat intake would suppress HSL. This also means that, if you’re on a low carbohydrate diet, you still need to eat less calories than you expend to lose weight."0 -
Eating too many calories causes you to be fat. Calories in, calories out.0
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My wife and I get about 300g of carbs/daily because of fruits and vegetables (eat about 4 oranges, a banana, 1 or 2 apples, 2 carrots and vegs in every meals)...that is 3 times the recommended amount and she is too skinny even though she NEVER exercises. She gets also a piece of dark chocolate every day and all our other fat intake comes from fish, yogurts and cheese. I am fatter (about 16%) even though I exercise a lot...that is due to exceptions to my diet (beers, peanuts, socialisation, etc.). Of course we eat bread and pasta, I mean we have a normal life, right? I would never try something I could not keep for the rest of my life...eating no bread or pasta is exactly tht. What is the point to cut them for a month or three if everything comes back when I restart?
We are not american, it is completely anormal for us to buy processed food. We never went to a fast food simply because we have "french cuisinne" at home. So carbs and fat in pizza are bad, but comon, all friends with 6 pack abs eat bread and pasta!0 -
So are you saying 3000 calories of Bacon won't make me fat but 3000 calories of Pasta will?0
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O lost 57lbs in 8 months and never cut anything out or went low carb high protein I regained due yoyoing but I think I lost preety fast and had the energy to do lots of exercise and drop 36 inches too0
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So, this gets really technical (and organic chemistry). Personally I think it's worth watching the lecture in its entirety, however, if not I recommend watching 0:00-9:00 (slides 1-12) & 34:50-end (slides 80-116).
Mat Lalonde is an organic chemist, and this was a lecture he gave at Harvard in 2011. It examines grains and the impact on the human diet.
Slides: http://www.slideshare.net/ancestralhealth/an-organicchemistss-perspective-on-paleo
Video/Lecture: https://player.vimeo.com/video/275703350 -
The underlying idea is that the insulin spike/drop caused by high carb foods causes you to feel hungry and thus eat more, which the basis for the South Beach Diet, the Carbohydrate Addicts Diet, the Woman Doctor's Diet for Women, and a bunch of others.
Yes, but add fat and/or protein to that carb and the insulin reaction is drastically reduced - so it's all just junk science any way.
A balanced diet that includes the foods you love, at a caloric deficit - barring any metobolic disorder - is really all you need to lose weight.
I see so many of my friends struggling to cut out entire food categories because they think it's a magic bullet. Then they "cheat" and go so wildly overboard. Ultimately I don't see any more success in them than I've seen in myslef eating bread every day and Oreos A LOT.0 -
White flour and stripped refined grains convert most easily to sugar and cause an insulin response is what I have learned. Check back on health problems in 20 - 30 years for all of the people who love their pastas with/without bacon. That will be the info that everyone needs. Maybe it is true maybe it isn't. All I know is I've played Russian Roulette with food for too many years and I am now choosing to err on the side of caution by going the green veggie route courtesy of http://www.drfuhrman.com/default.aspx .
To each his own. Enjoy your bacon and pastas! = D0 -
White flour and stripped refined grains convert most easily to sugar and cause an insulin response is what I have learned. Check back on health problems in 20 - 30 years for all of the people who love their pastas with/without bacon. That will be the info that everyone needs. Maybe it is true maybe it isn't. All I know is I've played Russian Roulette with food for too many years and I am now choosing to err on the side of caution by going the green veggie route courtesy of http://www.drfuhrman.com/default.aspx .
To each his own. Enjoy your bacon and pastas! = D
Italians and Asians have eaten pasta for lot longer then 20-30 yrs...0 -
White flour and stripped refined grains convert most easily to sugar and cause an insulin response is what I have learned. Check back on health problems in 20 - 30 years for all of the people who love their pastas with/without bacon. That will be the info that everyone needs. Maybe it is true maybe it isn't. All I know is I've played Russian Roulette with food for too many years and I am now choosing to err on the side of caution by going the green veggie route courtesy of http://www.drfuhrman.com/default.aspx .
To each his own. Enjoy your bacon and pastas! = D
Italians and Asians have eaten pasta for lot longer then 20-30 yrs...
And most of them (native, not Americanized) are not overweight.0 -
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Interesting infographic/article. Not sure how accurate it is, but it seems to make sense, so I thought I'd share:
http://www.fastcodesign.com/1668916/pasta-not-bacon-makes-you-fat-but-how
I drastically cut my breads and pastas when I lost my weight, so I'm thinking there's some truth to this.
To make it simple...........and the short version that was explained to me by my metabolic Endocrinologist some years ago.
Pasta causes an insulin response which causes the carbs to be stored as fat.
Bacon is protein and fat, which does not cause an insulin response in the body. Thus the recommendation of why T2 Diabetics and people with insulin resistance should follow a controlled carb lifestyle.0 -
You don't have to believe. I'll just reap the benefits and continue to astound doctors with excellent cholesterol/trig/ blood glucose readings and nice, low blood pressure readings as they say, "You're eating mainly meat and leafy greens? Meat with SKIN ON? MARBLED grass-fed steak?! You're a freak of nature!" And I'll just laugh.
and are you going to substantiate this claim at all?
"I think it's funny how no matter how much proof there is that carbs, especially refined ones (although all of them to a degree), not fat, cause obesity, people will still shake their heads and stomp around like a three year old who has been told they can't have a lollipop.
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It works for her so it automatically must work for everyone else and we are evil if we eat carbs.
And now for a pop quiz question: If all snorks are gronks, and all gronks are snoods, are all snoods snorks?
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Only if they avoid carbs.And now for a pop quiz question: If all snorks are gronks, and all gronks are snoods, are all snoods snorks?0 -
I eat pasta every day and I LOVE IT! I've been on maintenance for several months and never had a problem losing or maintaining while eating my daily carbs. There is no way I will eliminate my favorite foods. I love a balanced diet! It doesn't really matter what you eat, it's how much you eat! Excess calories make you fat! :drinker:0
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This thread is making me very, very hungry!0
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Pasta and bread portions in this country are completely out of control. If you eat a sensible portion size and incorporate pastas into a healthy balanced diet, they do not make you fat. Sorry, but millions of Italians can't be wrong. (I'm talking in Italy, not the Americanized super-size-me Italian restaurants). Just like white rice as a staple of Asian diets.
Everything in moderation and as part of a balanced diet with your calories in/calories out balanced.0 -
You don't have to believe. I'll just reap the benefits and continue to astound doctors with excellent cholesterol/trig/ blood glucose readings and nice, low blood pressure readings as they say, "You're eating mainly meat and leafy greens? Meat with SKIN ON? MARBLED grass-fed steak?! You're a freak of nature!" And I'll just laugh.
I'm with you.... everyone wants to argue about it. I say go ahead and argue, while I continue to drop weigh WITHOUT having to count my calories. I go over by 300 to 500 quite frequently and have lost 7 pounds in three weeks. I'm NEVER hungry either. Love it!!!0 -
Large portions make you fat. Massive calorie intake makes you fat. Broccoli can make you just as fat as bacon depending on your portions. The food doesn't matter, it's the portion size. Mind you, different foods carry more or less nutritional value for you (you'd lose weight eating 1200 cal/day of twinkies just like you would if you were eating 1200 cal/day of veggies), but when it comes down to weight, it's all about calories.
1200 calories of broccoli? clear the room and light a candle!
You should smell the asparagus ;-)
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These quotes just made me spit out my water. Love it! 0 -
You may enjoy the book Wheat Belly. It is all about... wheat! Basically wheat causes your blood sugar to spike more than any other food, including straight up table sugar. Due to the spike in blood sugar, and its eventual fall 60-120 minutes later, it makes your body go through an artificial cycle of hunger and satiety. This process is shown to increase visceral fat. It's a very good read, and I suggest it to everyone.
^^^^ this! I am on the primal diet which means I'm eating meat, veggies, fruits and nuts only. No legumes, wheat or sugar. However I still eat between 50-150 grams of carbs a day from fruits and veggies. Wheat and sugar spike your insulin which makes you store fat. Meat, and most veggies and fruits don't make your insulin spike making it much easier to burn fat.
Meat, veggies and fruits don't spike your insulin?
Scroll down to Table 4
Holt SHA, et al. An insulin index of foods: the insulin demand generated by 1000-kJ portions of common foods. American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, Nov, 1997; 66: 5: 1264-1276.
http://www.ajcn.org/content/66/5/1264.full.pdf+html
Acg has been unable to provide compelling evidence that the insulin spike of protein is the same as the insulin spike of carbohydrates in someone who is resistant to insulin. He has been unable to demonstrate that 1) people overeat nearly as much protein as they eat carbs, and 2) that the insulin response of protein generates an excess of insulin when eaten by those who are insulin resistant.
Acg has proven nothing more than that Taubes insulin hypothesis is flawed and incomplete. Doesn't mean that it is completely wrong.0 -
You don't have to believe. I'll just reap the benefits and continue to astound doctors with excellent cholesterol/trig/ blood glucose readings and nice, low blood pressure readings as they say, "You're eating mainly meat and leafy greens? Meat with SKIN ON? MARBLED grass-fed steak?! You're a freak of nature!" And I'll just laugh.
and are you going to substantiate this claim at all?
"I think it's funny how no matter how much proof there is that carbs, especially refined ones (although all of them to a degree), not fat, cause obesity, people will still shake their heads and stomp around like a three year old who has been told they can't have a lollipop.
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It works for her so it automatically must work for everyone else and we are evil if we eat carbs.
And now for a pop quiz question: If all snorks are gronks, and all gronks are snoods, are all snoods snorks?
Who said anything about being evil? :huh:0 -
i just made homemade fettucine was real easy and it only took about 20 min longer than my daughter who was cooking her store bought one!!
much lighter and better..
I'm italian and most italiaan in italy are thin and they eat pasta everyday BUT WHAT THEY DON'T EAT .... they don't eat like "an american" they say basically that means we have BIG portions they have a small dish and a salad. But because their food is very fresh it fills you up with the bursting fresh flavors.
try it you will see.. it's all a balance!0 -
Acg has proven nothing more than that Taubes insulin hypothesis is flawed and incomplete. Doesn't mean that it is completely wrong.
The burden of proof is on the one making the claim.
Google "Russel's teapot"0 -
You don't have to believe. I'll just reap the benefits and continue to astound doctors with excellent cholesterol/trig/ blood glucose readings and nice, low blood pressure readings as they say, "You're eating mainly meat and leafy greens? Meat with SKIN ON? MARBLED grass-fed steak?! You're a freak of nature!" And I'll just laugh.
and are you going to substantiate this claim at all?
"I think it's funny how no matter how much proof there is that carbs, especially refined ones (although all of them to a degree), not fat, cause obesity, people will still shake their heads and stomp around like a three year old who has been told they can't have a lollipop.
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It works for her so it automatically must work for everyone else and we are evil if we eat carbs.
And now for a pop quiz question: If all snorks are gronks, and all gronks are snoods, are all snoods snorks?
Who said anything about being evil? :huh:
Good question. I guess I did...but then you did. :laugh:0 -
Acg has proven nothing more than that Taubes insulin hypothesis is flawed and incomplete. Doesn't mean that it is completely wrong.
The burden of proof is on the one making the claim.
Google "Russel's teapot"
His claim is that Taubes book is junk. That seems to be his most compelling argument against Taubes theory.0 -
Acg has proven nothing more than that Taubes insulin hypothesis is flawed and incomplete. Doesn't mean that it is completely wrong.
The burden of proof is on the one making the claim.
Google "Russel's teapot"
His claim is that Taubes book is junk. That seems to be his most compelling argument against Taubes theory.
Taubes book is junk because it makes unsupported claims and ignores the contradictory evidence.
I think that premise has been well supported. If you don't, then you haven't been paying attention.0 -
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You don't have to believe. I'll just reap the benefits and continue to astound doctors with excellent cholesterol/trig/ blood glucose readings and nice, low blood pressure readings as they say, "You're eating mainly meat and leafy greens? Meat with SKIN ON? MARBLED grass-fed steak?! You're a freak of nature!" And I'll just laugh.
and are you going to substantiate this claim at all?
"I think it's funny how no matter how much proof there is that carbs, especially refined ones (although all of them to a degree), not fat, cause obesity, people will still shake their heads and stomp around like a three year old who has been told they can't have a lollipop.
"
It works for her so it automatically must work for everyone else and we are evil if we eat carbs.
And now for a pop quiz question: If all snorks are gronks, and all gronks are snoods, are all snoods snorks?
Who said anything about being evil? :huh:
Good question. I guess I did...but then you did. :laugh:
I did? When? Quote me?0
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