Red meat can kill!!!!

pamelad77

Well that's the latest health scare in the news today anyway.

Can i just start banging my head against a wall now, in readiness for the next one. Every week, something is really bad for you, and the next it's good.

I can't keep up!!

I'll carry on down the "everything in moderation" route I think :-)

rhi_hope

Saw that advertised on TV tonight.

I wouldn't be surprised if it were true, but as you said, with the number of foods which are one day great for us and suddenly toxic the next, it's best not to read too much in to it.

Next it will be oxygen - it's bad for you, don't leave the house11!!111

Isolt

Personally I'd take that one with a pinch of salt because if you go and read the study you'll see that it was NOT a controlled experiment, merely an observational one based on crunching data from general health questionnaires used by other organisations. Also an association is not a cause.....and nowhere in the study does it say what *else* those people were eating.

chrishgt4

Love stuff like this - I honestly believe that if you were to collect all the food scare stories together and follow them, you would actually not be able to eat anything at all.

arewethereyet

In the late 70's, early 80's there was one scare after another

RED cherries cause cancer!!!!!

I quit eating cherries

HAMBURGERS cause cancer!!!!!

I quit eating hamburgers

SEX causes cancer!!

Eff it, I went back to the damn cherries and burgers


:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

arewethereyet

Love stuff like this - I honestly believe that if you were to collect all the food scare stories together and follow them, you would actually not be able to eat anything at all.

celery

VinVenture

We have a saying in Norway, "Eat carrots today, they'll be toxic tomorrow". Sugar was the enemy, then fat, now general carbs and newly - meat. Eat varied, that's the key.

pamelad77

In the late 70's, early 80's there was one scare after another

RED cherries cause cancer!!!!!

I quit eating cherries

HAMBURGERS cause cancer!!!!!

I quit eating hamburgers

SEX causes cancer!!

Eff it, I went back to the damn cherries and burgers


:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

ROFL

Firefighter_Jay

Saw that advertised on TV tonight.

I wouldn't be surprised if it were true, but as you said, with the number of foods which are one day great for us and suddenly toxic the next, it's best not to read too much in to it.

Next it will be oxygen - it's bad for you, don't leave the house11!!111

Give a baby pure oxygen improperly, it can blind it. There eyes can't handle being exposed to 100% pure oxygen.

But I would have to say,mthat yes, it's a fact that red meat kills.......which ever animal it came from

BrianSharpe

******Breaking News******

Scientists have discovered that the leading cause of death is being born. Based on the observation that 100% of persons born in the 19th century have since died it has been determined that there is a direct correlation between being born and dying.

castadiva

Love stuff like this - I honestly believe that if you were to collect all the food scare stories together and follow them, you would actually not be able to eat anything at all.

celery

Apparently it's bad for the endocrine system... Just read a really interesting article written by a heart surgeon who said that the anti-cholesterol/anti-fat focus of the 80s and 90s was a)wrong - inflammation causes heart disease, not fats or cholesterol, and b) has created the obesity and diabetes surges we are now seeing. Science is based on theory, and often gets it wrong.

chrishgt4

In the late 70's, early 80's there was one scare after another

RED cherries cause cancer!!!!!

I quit eating cherries

HAMBURGERS cause cancer!!!!!

I quit eating hamburgers

SEX causes cancer!!

Eff it, I went back to the damn cherries and burgers


:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Hahaha awesome...

chrishgt4

Love stuff like this - I honestly believe that if you were to collect all the food scare stories together and follow them, you would actually not be able to eat anything at all.

celery

Apparently it's bad for the endocrine system... Just read a really interesting article written by a heart surgeon who said that the anti-cholesterol/anti-fat focus of the 80s and 90s was a)wrong - inflammation causes heart disease, not fats or cholesterol, and b) has created the obesity and diabetes surges we are now seeing. Science is based on theory, and often gets it wrong.

The 80s stuff wasn't based on science though - it was based on selling faddy diets to people who didn't know better. A practice that still exists, sadly, today.

BrianSharpe

Apparently it's bad for the endocrine system... Just read a really interesting article written by a heart surgeon who said that the anti-cholesterol/anti-fat focus of the 80s and 90s was a)wrong - inflammation causes heart disease, not fats or cholesterol, and b) has created the obesity and diabetes surges we are now seeing. Science is based on theory, and often gets it wrong.

That wouldn't be the article by the same heart surgeon who was stripped of his license to practice in 2008 would it?

Science is based on observations that either support or disprove a hypothesis, observations that can be replicated and yes, science changes over time as we learn new things. Pseudoscience is based on unproven hypothesis and even in the light of overwhelming evidence "true believers" rarely will change their acceptance of the myth as fact.

_mr_b

Red meat can definitely kill ..... especially if it's still got hooves and horns attached and is chasing you through a field!

Think I'll file this latest revelation along with the rest of them in the bin.

KANGOOJUMPS

it is true,, but i have a BBQ man who is addicted,, i let him cook it and eat it,,, i just have a few bites! everything in moderation!

chrishgt4

everything in moderation!

including moderation

castadiva

Apparently it's bad for the endocrine system... Just read a really interesting article written by a heart surgeon who said that the anti-cholesterol/anti-fat focus of the 80s and 90s was a)wrong - inflammation causes heart disease, not fats or cholesterol, and b) has created the obesity and diabetes surges we are now seeing. Science is based on theory, and often gets it wrong.

That wouldn't be the article by the same heart surgeon who was stripped of his license to practice in 2008 would it?

Science is based on observations that either support or disprove a hypothesis, observations that can be replicated and yes, science changes over time as we learn new things. Pseudoscience is based on unproven hypothesis and even in the light of overwhelming evidence "true believers" rarely will change their acceptance of the myth as fact.

Not sure about the Doc's licensing status - didn't check, as it came from a fairly reputable source, but as inflammation is now widely held to be the cause of heart disease among the senior medical fraternity (even if that message hasn't filtered through to the Health boards, GPs etc) licensed or not, he was on the right track. You put my point about science rather better than I did - the folly of being succinct on these boards is that one doesn't always say exactly what one means in great detail :blushing:

castadiva

everything in moderation!

including moderation

As the famously immoderate Greeks said!

slay0r

So I can't sleep in my bed for all the bedbugs they scaremonger about.

I can't eat my eggs for breakfast because at one stage they were the bad of the bad.

Can't have bacon because the fat will definitely kill me.

Can't ride/travel/drive to work because they're all killers.

Can't sit on my seat because of the germs on it, I can't type on here with my fingers for germs so I'm now using a tissue.

etcetc

If we listened to all of this crap we'd be stuck in a bubble. I take all of it with a pinch of salt now. If I want something I'll eat it in moderation and vary it. I think ALL of these things are when you eat them in ridiculous excess. A perfect example is coke having to change it's ingredients because there's a chemical in it that can cause cancer. Yes there was a chemical in it.. what they only mentioned fleetingly is that you'd have to drink 100+ litres of coke a day for it to even become mildly threatening. Not defending coke or anything unhealthy but it's just getting ridiculous. They seriously will suggest having sex less often one day.

slay0r

Apparently it's bad for the endocrine system... Just read a really interesting article written by a heart surgeon who said that the anti-cholesterol/anti-fat focus of the 80s and 90s was a)wrong - inflammation causes heart disease, not fats or cholesterol, and b) has created the obesity and diabetes surges we are now seeing. Science is based on theory, and often gets it wrong.

That wouldn't be the article by the same heart surgeon who was stripped of his license to practice in 2008 would it?

Science is based on observations that either support or disprove a hypothesis, observations that can be replicated and yes, science changes over time as we learn new things. Pseudoscience is based on unproven hypothesis and even in the light of overwhelming evidence "true believers" rarely will change their acceptance of the myth as fact.

Not sure about the Doc's licensing status - didn't check, as it came from a fairly reputable source, but as inflammation is now widely held to be the cause of heart disease among the senior medical fraternity (even if that message hasn't filtered through to the Health boards, GPs etc) licensed or not, he was on the right track. You put my point about science rather better than I did - the folly of being succinct on these boards is that one doesn't always say exactly what one means in great detail :blushing:

How is this inflammation caused in the first place? Just interesting

LesliePierceRN

The fact of the matter is, that something is going to kill you. Sex can kill. You can die exercising. Driving kills every day. I ain't stopping any of those things, and I'm not giving up red meat.

MrsM1ggins

In honour of this story I had EXTRA bacon for breakfast!

Christina1007

Love stuff like this - I honestly believe that if you were to collect all the food scare stories together and follow them, you would actually not be able to eat anything at all.

Exactly!!! PLUS, my parents were never really that obsessed with food like people are today, nor were my grandparents and they lived a happy and long life.

I don't trust any of these researches! Wait one year, they will tell you something different!

slay0r

That's true.. I'm more likely to get killed cycling everywhere at 20+ mph like a loon than I am eating a bit of beef lol..

What was the other one in california, is it that you can't eat chips from mcdonalds because of the chemical that gets produced when you cook them? I'm sure I read that it's the same chemical that gets produced when you bbq food..meh everything nice will kill you it seems.

All that said, I'd rather live to 70 and have lived my life the way I wanted, on my own terms and love every second of it, than be conservative and have regrets and live to 80.. maybe that's just me though.

_mr_b

I take all of it with a pinch of salt now.

Hope that pinch of salt isn't to big, that'll kill you too :laugh:

CaseRat

I believe the only way red meat will kill me is if it's still breathing, and angry.

Zichu

If certain foods are so dangerous why don't they ban them instead of getting people to eat them, most likely get cancer like they are saying and spend money on trying to cure these diseases... So stupid sometimes...

I've been eating red meat since I could probably chew lol.

If you look at some of health risks of red meat here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_meat

You got colorectal cancer, esophageal cancer, lung, pancreatic, edometrial, breast, stomach, lymphoma, bladder, prostate. and kidney cancer. Heart disease, diabetes, acute cornonary syndrome, stroke, obesity, hypertension and arthiritis...

They did a test for obesity and red meat. Higher intake of total protein AND protein from animal sources, so I am assuming on top of what they were eating originally, they had to add red meat into the mix. Which would obviously cause weight gain because you are basically eating more calories than you were before.

I was eating red meat when I was trying to lose weight and I was still losing weight. I didn't even count calories, macros or anything. I just ate smaller portions and cut out deep fried foods and takeaways.

chrishgt4

Re the surgeon giving advice on what foods cause heart disease - to paraphrase a quote from a post in these forums the other day -

It's as reliable as asking a mechanic for advice on how to drive.

Isolt

If we listened to all of this crap we'd be stuck in a bubble.

You really don't want to get stuck in a bubble.....lots of serious injuries and fatalities in those Zorbs.

Life is pretty much a game of dodgeball; something's going to slam you sooner or later and it could be cancer or it could be your cat (80,000 a year die by tripping over their cats....and that's only the start of the feline killing spree!)

castadiva

Apparently it's bad for the endocrine system... Just read a really interesting article written by a heart surgeon who said that the anti-cholesterol/anti-fat focus of the 80s and 90s was a)wrong - inflammation causes heart disease, not fats or cholesterol, and b) has created the obesity and diabetes surges we are now seeing. Science is based on theory, and often gets it wrong.

That wouldn't be the article by the same heart surgeon who was stripped of his license to practice in 2008 would it?

Science is based on observations that either support or disprove a hypothesis, observations that can be replicated and yes, science changes over time as we learn new things. Pseudoscience is based on unproven hypothesis and even in the light of overwhelming evidence "true believers" rarely will change their acceptance of the myth as fact.

Not sure about the Doc's licensing status - didn't check, as it came from a fairly reputable source, but as inflammation is now widely held to be the cause of heart disease among the senior medical fraternity (even if that message hasn't filtered through to the Health boards, GPs etc) licensed or not, he was on the right track. You put my point about science rather better than I did - the folly of being succinct on these boards is that one doesn't always say exactly what one means in great detail :blushing:

How is this inflammation caused in the first place? Just interesting

Viral/bacterial infection, typically.