Broscience versus REAL SCIENCE
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Yup, 150 grams of it. Gives you a buzz.
Can't think of a better way to waste calories and carbs. I'll just enjoy my deconstructed philly cheesesteak while you consume glucose.Maybe it makes him feel good. Maybe it gives him a good pump. This lifestyle is 99% MENTAL. Changes to your body at 80/20 nutrition/exercise. Obviously he's making gains which he needs at 123 lbs (no offense!). Plus whey spikes plasma AA's far more than casein/milk. Also, digestion =/= absorption.
Who cares if it makes him feel good. We should stop encouraging pointless endevours which are encouraged and perpetuated by the fitness industry. This causes people to go out and waste their money on products that are not needed and worry about things like consuming whey within 30 minutes after a workout.
And, all things equal, I doubt having whey is much better than a whole food pre-workout meal. By the way, I have nothing against whey. I consume two scoops a day but I don't worry about the timing at all. For your average lifter, timing is largely irrelevant especially if you consume something pre-workout.0 -
Who cares what people say or what science says, you do what works for you.
I do post workout whey, fasted cardio and use supplements such as L-carnitine that supposedly don't work at all according to science and as the hodge twins say.
DO WHATEVER THE FUC*K YOU WANNA DO
So you should do something that makes no difference and waste your money and time? Wow. Well, the Hodge Twins are the epitome of stupidity, so if you wish to be associated with them then power to you!
at least they're funny , he's free to make his own desicions without having to weigh up how people will judge him...0 -
Who cares what people say or what science says, you do what works for you.
I do post workout whey, fasted cardio and use supplements such as L-carnitine that supposedly don't work at all according to science and as the hodge twins say.
DO WHATEVER THE FUC*K YOU WANNA DO
^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^
Do what works for you, theres always new research coming out about htis that or the other, why, they need to spend the grant money and have a conclusion to their study....plus it helps the supplement companies sell products...it all boils down to what works for you...0 -
Yup, 150 grams of it. Gives you a buzz.
Can't think of a better way to waste calories and carbs. I'll just enjoy my deconstructed philly cheesesteak while you consume glucose.
:sick: Ugggrrrghghhhh philly cheesesteak. Enjoy your endotoxemia.0 -
Who cares what people say or what science says, you do what works for you.
I do post workout whey, fasted cardio and use supplements such as L-carnitine that supposedly don't work at all according to science and as the hodge twins say.
DO WHATEVER THE FUC*K YOU WANNA DO
So you should do something that makes no difference and waste your money and time? Wow. Well, the Hodge Twins are the epitome of stupidity, so if you wish to be associated with them then power to you!
at least they're funny , he's free to make his own desicions without having to weigh up how people will judge him...
Jacked guy #3 in agreement... :bigsmile:0 -
t all boils down to what works for you...
Really? Even if it makes your life more complicated, less enjoyable, and so forth just to follow some preconceived notion that actually has no effect? By golly! I'm going to make my life more complicated to have similar results!
:sick: Ugggrrrghghhhh philly cheesesteak. Enjoy your endotoxemia.
You one of them red meat fearing individuals?0 -
t all boils down to what works for you...
Really? Even if it makes your life more complicated, less enjoyable, and so forth just to follow some preconceived notion that actually has no effect? By golly! I'm going to make my life more complicated to have similar results!
Well if it has no effect, it's not working, sooo...yea. Then he wouldn't be doing it. This guy seems pretty happy with his life despite the fact that he eats glucose. :laugh:0 -
t all boils down to what works for you...
Really? Even if it makes your life more complicated, less enjoyable, and so forth just to follow some preconceived notion that actually has no effect? By golly! I'm going to make my life more complicated to have similar results!
:sick: Ugggrrrghghhhh philly cheesesteak. Enjoy your endotoxemia.
You one of them red meat fearing individuals?
You one of them individuals who compares 'cheesesteak' to ribeye? I prefer my meat without nacho cheese on it.0 -
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Well if it has no effect, it's not working, sooo...yea. Then he wouldn't be doing it. This guy seems pretty happy with his life despite the fact that he eats glucose. :laugh:
There are a plethora of variables that CAN and WILL yield results but he could mistakenly attribute it success to something that actually has no effect. This is like people who are eating a caloric deficit yet chalk up their weight loss to eating frequent meals. The frequent meals didn't have any effect but the caloric deficit did yet the cause has been wrongly identified.
So, if he's lifting weights and eating a caloric surplus then he will obviously gain muscle. He is simultaneously consuming three beverages of glucose and whey around working out yet he could say that it is because of these beverages he's doing so well when in actuality it is the caloric surplus and training. So, yes, you can do something that has no effect and think it does because something else could cause said effect.
You one of them individuals who compares 'cheesesteak' to ribeye? I prefer my meat without nacho cheese on it.
I said DECONSTRUCTED philly cheesesteak. It's a dish I invented myself using filet mignon, a mornay sauce, caramelized pearl onions and shimeji mushrooms, and crisped hoagie roll.0 -
Yup, 150 grams of it. Gives you a buzz.
Can't think of a better way to waste calories and carbs. I'll just enjoy my deconstructed philly cheesesteak while you consume glucose.Maybe it makes him feel good. Maybe it gives him a good pump. This lifestyle is 99% MENTAL. Changes to your body at 80/20 nutrition/exercise. Obviously he's making gains which he needs at 123 lbs (no offense!). Plus whey spikes plasma AA's far more than casein/milk. Also, digestion =/= absorption.
Who cares if it makes him feel good. We should stop encouraging pointless endevours which are encouraged and perpetuated by the fitness industry. This causes people to go out and waste their money on products that are not needed and worry about things like consuming whey within 30 minutes after a workout.
And, all things equal, I doubt having whey is much better than a whole food pre-workout meal. By the way, I have nothing against whey. I consume two scoops a day but I don't worry about the timing at all. For your average lifter, timing is largely irrelevant especially if you consume something pre-workout.
So you deny the fact that loads of glucose spikes insulin levels and that spiked insulin levels cause you to be in a perfect state for taking in nutrients?0 -
Well if it has no effect, it's not working, sooo...yea. Then he wouldn't be doing it. This guy seems pretty happy with his life despite the fact that he eats glucose. :laugh:
There are a plethora of variables that CAN and WILL yield results but he could mistakenly attribute it success to something that actually has no effect. This is like people who are eating a caloric deficit yet chalk up their weight loss to eating frequent meals. The frequent meals didn't have any effect but the caloric deficit did yet the cause has been wrongly identified.
So, if he's lifting weights and eating a caloric surplus then he will obviously gain muscle. He is simultaneously consuming three beverages of glucose and whey around working out yet he could say that it is because of these beverages he's doing so well when in actuality it is the caloric surplus and training. So, yes, you can do something that has no effect and think it does because something else could cause said effect.
I think he's aware that it's a combination of nutrients, timing, and exercise.0 -
Well if it has no effect, it's not working, sooo...yea. Then he wouldn't be doing it. This guy seems pretty happy with his life despite the fact that he eats glucose. :laugh:
There are a plethora of variables that CAN and WILL yield results but he could mistakenly attribute it success to something that actually has no effect. This is like people who are eating a caloric deficit yet chalk up their weight loss to eating frequent meals. The frequent meals didn't have any effect but the caloric deficit did yet the cause has been wrongly identified.
So, if he's lifting weights and eating a caloric surplus then he will obviously gain muscle. He is simultaneously consuming three beverages of glucose and whey around working out yet he could say that it is because of these beverages he's doing so well when in actuality it is the caloric surplus and training. So, yes, you can do something that has no effect and think it does because something else could cause said effect.
You one of them individuals who compares 'cheesesteak' to ribeye? I prefer my meat without nacho cheese on it.
I said DECONSTRUCTED philly cheesesteak. It's a dish I invented myself using filet mignon, a mornay sauce, caramelized pearl onions, and crisped hoagie roll.
Ohhhhhhhh. In that case, noms, and I'll take it without the hoagie roll. That word makes me think of a wet cigar.0 -
So you deny the fact that loads of glucose spikes insulin levels and that spiked insulin levels cause you to be in a perfect state for taking in nutrients?
You're assuming that this actually leads to improved results when that's been scientifically established that it hasn't. Please go read the works of Lyle McDonald and Alan Aragon and be enlightened to your erroneous ways.0 -
I'm going to go out on a limb, that even if there are studies that shows it is effective, it's probably in the range of 5 or 10% more effective. Additionally many studies are done on performance athletes, not your average joe.
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I thought maximum monthly muscle gain was ~2 lbs. Is there some magic to get 4 lbs?
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I've always thought bro-science was stuff you hear in the gym that isn't verifiable or just ludicrous. I heard a guy say he ate some protein shot or whatnot prior to working out and could instantly lift 20% more. Placebo most likely.0 -
t all boils down to what works for you...
Really? Even if it makes your life more complicated, less enjoyable, and so forth just to follow some preconceived notion that actually has no effect? By golly! I'm going to make my life more complicated to have similar results!
Look Bro, youre 23 years old, I have been lifting longer than youve been alive....I have seen all the fads come and go Hell even HMB is making a comeback....
So here's my soapbox based on your response...things are not complicated in my life since I -as recommended by me- found what works for me...see how that works?....so since it works it is.... guess what... -It's Enjoyable! - and it has an wonderful effect , its not pre conceived, its tested and true...because its worked for me...I am living it!
See how that bit of wisdom works.....if it works for you...keep doing it....thus ....Brace yourself...
It all boils down to ..say it with me.....
what works for you!0 -
Well if it has no effect, it's not working, sooo...yea. Then he wouldn't be doing it. This guy seems pretty happy with his life despite the fact that he eats glucose. :laugh:
There are a plethora of variables that CAN and WILL yield results but he could mistakenly attribute it success to something that actually has no effect. This is like people who are eating a caloric deficit yet chalk up their weight loss to eating frequent meals. The frequent meals didn't have any effect but the caloric deficit did yet the cause has been wrongly identified.
So, if he's lifting weights and eating a caloric surplus then he will obviously gain muscle. He is simultaneously consuming three beverages of glucose and whey around working out yet he could say that it is because of these beverages he's doing so well when in actuality it is the caloric surplus and training. So, yes, you can do something that has no effect and think it does because something else could cause said effect.
I think he's aware that it's a combination of nutrients, timing, and exercise.
I am fully aware yes.
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So you deny the fact that loads of glucose spikes insulin levels and that spiked insulin levels cause you to be in a perfect state for taking in nutrients?
You're assuming that this actually leads to improved results when that's been scientifically established that it hasn't. Please go read the works of Lyle McDonald and Alan Aragon and be enlightened to your erroneous ways.
Dude, this guy weighed 123 POUNDS. I'm 5'0 and I weigh more (no offense! again!). He needs food in any form he chooses. I think he's done well and probably doesn't need to focus on incredibly minute details at this point in time.0 -
Who cares what people say or what science says, you do what works for you.
I do post workout whey, fasted cardio and use supplements such as L-carnitine that supposedly don't work at all according to science and as the hodge twins say.
DO WHATEVER THE FUC*K YOU WANNA DO
So you should do something that makes no difference and waste your money and time? Wow. Well, the Hodge Twins are the epitome of stupidity, so if you wish to be associated with them then power to you!
at least they're funny , he's free to make his own desicions without having to weigh up how people will judge him...
Jacked guy #3 in agreement... :bigsmile:
^^I'm unsure as to what this mean but... :bigsmile:0 -
Hard to deny real science. Although the placebo effect is real. So IMO, people will do what they think actually is working for them.
But, for myself, I'm into real science and not broscience (I used to be eons ago).
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I'm going to go out on a limb, that even if there are studies that shows it is effective, it's probably in the range of 5 or 10% more effective. Additionally many studies are done on performance athletes, not your average joe.
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I thought maximum monthly muscle gain was ~2 lbs. Is there some magic to get 4 lbs?
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I've always thought bro-science was stuff you hear in the gym that isn't verifiable or just ludicrous. I heard a guy say he ate some protein shot or whatnot prior to working out and could instantly lift 20% more. Placebo most likely.
Placebo effect....if it still has an effect, awesome! Even if the protein shot didn't do anything, by lifting heavier he stressed his muscles more which WILL have an effect.
There's no maximum monthly gain.0 -
So you deny the fact that loads of glucose spikes insulin levels and that spiked insulin levels cause you to be in a perfect state for taking in nutrients?
You're assuming that this actually leads to improved results when that's been scientifically established that it hasn't. Please go read the works of Lyle McDonald and Alan Aragon and be enlightened to your erroneous ways.
I am yes, as your body is pretty depleted from nutrients at that point. Getting it into a state for optimal nutrient absorption when it's most needed seems like a good idea to me.
There seems to be people who proves scientifically that it does work, and others that prove that it doesn't work. Guess we'll never know.0 -
So you deny the fact that loads of glucose spikes insulin levels and that spiked insulin levels cause you to be in a perfect state for taking in nutrients?
You're assuming that this actually leads to improved results when that's been scientifically established that it hasn't. Please go read the works of Lyle McDonald and Alan Aragon and be enlightened to your erroneous ways.
Dude, this guy weighed 123 POUNDS. I'm 5'0 and I weigh more (no offense! again!). He needs food in any form he chooses. I think he's done well and probably doesn't need to focus on incredibly minute details at this point in time.
Would you not say by consuming this absurd amount of glucose pre-, peri-, and post-workout that he IS incredibly focused on those minute details?0 -
That would pretty much be the only time you'd want such a large glucose load. Problem?
You tell me. You think it makes sense consuming glucose three times as well as whey (which would make up a considerable amount of your daily protein and carbohydrates) pre-, peri-, and post-workout? Not really. If one consumes a whole meal pre-workout then the food is constantly being digested. The need for quick absorbing protein and high glycemic carbohydrates is pretty much moot if a meal is consumed pre-workout. For example, milk digests at around 3.5g protein per hour. Please explain to me why you would need more protein if you have consumed sufficient amount of milk protein pre-workout when it digests at such a slow speed?
Even consider the fact that he's probably not an extremely hard working athlete, one that actually burns considerable amont of calories daily from training multiple times a day. Your average joe doesn't need nutrient timing.
I consume my workout stacks on top of my daily calorie needs. meaning on workout days I would consume 4500 cals, non workout days 3500. It's not replacing any real food.0 -
So you deny the fact that loads of glucose spikes insulin levels and that spiked insulin levels cause you to be in a perfect state for taking in nutrients?
You're assuming that this actually leads to improved results when that's been scientifically established that it hasn't. Please go read the works of Lyle McDonald and Alan Aragon and be enlightened to your erroneous ways.
Dude, this guy weighed 123 POUNDS. I'm 5'0 and I weigh more (no offense! again!). He needs food in any form he chooses. I think he's done well and probably doesn't need to focus on incredibly minute details at this point in time.
Would you not say by consuming this absurd amount of glucose pre-, peri-, and post-workout that he IS incredibly focused on those minute details?
I would say he's not hurting anything. Look, he eats 4500 calories. He's probably one of those lucky ba$tards who can eat whatever he wants without gaining a lb. :laugh:0 -
I'm going to go out on a limb, that even if there are studies that shows it is effective, it's probably in the range of 5 or 10% more effective. Additionally many studies are done on performance athletes, not your average joe.
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I thought maximum monthly muscle gain was ~2 lbs. Is there some magic to get 4 lbs?
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I've always thought bro-science was stuff you hear in the gym that isn't verifiable or just ludicrous. I heard a guy say he ate some protein shot or whatnot prior to working out and could instantly lift 20% more. Placebo most likely.
Placebo effect....if it still has an effect, awesome! Even if the protein shot didn't do anything, by lifting heavier he stressed his muscles more which WILL have an effect.
There's no maximum monthly gain.
Are you sure you don't want to rephrase? Are you telling me a natty lifter can gain as 10lbs of muscle in one month?0 -
So you deny the fact that loads of glucose spikes insulin levels and that spiked insulin levels cause you to be in a perfect state for taking in nutrients?
You're assuming that this actually leads to improved results when that's been scientifically established that it hasn't. Please go read the works of Lyle McDonald and Alan Aragon and be enlightened to your erroneous ways.
Dude, this guy weighed 123 POUNDS. I'm 5'0 and I weigh more (no offense! again!). He needs food in any form he chooses. I think he's done well and probably doesn't need to focus on incredibly minute details at this point in time.
I weighed 145 pounds when I started. 123 was lean weight.0 -
I am yes, as your body is pretty depleted from nutrients at that point. Getting it into a state for optimal nutrient absorption when it's most needed seems like a good idea to me.
There seems to be people who proves scientifically that it does work, and others that prove that it doesn't work. Guess we'll never know.
It has not been proven and it's pointless. Unless you're a serious athlete, you have no need for nutrient timing. It's up to you but it's a pointless endeavour. You could be eating more real food but to each his own.0 -
I'm going to go out on a limb, that even if there are studies that shows it is effective, it's probably in the range of 5 or 10% more effective. Additionally many studies are done on performance athletes, not your average joe.
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I thought maximum monthly muscle gain was ~2 lbs. Is there some magic to get 4 lbs?
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I've always thought bro-science was stuff you hear in the gym that isn't verifiable or just ludicrous. I heard a guy say he ate some protein shot or whatnot prior to working out and could instantly lift 20% more. Placebo most likely.
Placebo effect....if it still has an effect, awesome! Even if the protein shot didn't do anything, by lifting heavier he stressed his muscles more which WILL have an effect.
There's no maximum monthly gain.
Are you sure you don't want to rephrase? Are you telling me a natty lifter can gain as 10lbs of muscle in one month?
Nope.0 -
So you deny the fact that loads of glucose spikes insulin levels and that spiked insulin levels cause you to be in a perfect state for taking in nutrients?
You're assuming that this actually leads to improved results when that's been scientifically established that it hasn't. Please go read the works of Lyle McDonald and Alan Aragon and be enlightened to your erroneous ways.
Dude, this guy weighed 123 POUNDS. I'm 5'0 and I weigh more (no offense! again!). He needs food in any form he chooses. I think he's done well and probably doesn't need to focus on incredibly minute details at this point in time.
I weighed 145 pounds when I started. 123 was lean weight.
Well....yea that's still really low for a male. Unless you're like, 5'4. ^_^ Just assuming that you're probably very lean.0
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