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  • weathergirl320
    weathergirl320 Posts: 331
    i saw this too. i posted it yesterday. where is the media frenzy like the "meat causes cancer" study??
  • Toddrific
    Toddrific Posts: 1,114 Member
    I think it's because it's common sense that eating far too much sugar can be bad.

    It's not so much common sense that eating more than 3 oz of processed and/or grilled meat
    would pose a higher cancer risk.

    Anything in large quantities is toxic. Water can kill you...etc.
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
    Maybe because Lustig is a known fear mongerer?

    Here is the full text of the study they reference in the article

    Consumption of Fructose and High Fructose Corn Syrup Increase Postprandial Triglycerides, LDL-Cholesterol, and Apolipoprotein-B in Young Men and Women. The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism August 17, 2011 jc.2011-1251

    http://goo.gl/jfmxn 

    My main takeaway from the study was maybe it's not that great of an idea to consume 25% of your daily cals in HFCS if you're sedentary and eating at maintenance or above. However there is a huge confounder in that in the outpatient phase of the study when they were consuming 25% of their cals in sugar, they ate ad lib, so it's possible they were chowing down on foods with lots of trans fats or stuff like that that could have lead to the elevated blood markers.

    If we look at studies such as this one, which had intake much more controlled, subjects ate 43% of their daily cals in sucrose which is basically the same as HFCS and LDL decreased, however they were also eating in a deficit.

    Metabolic and behavioral effects of a high-sucrose diet during weight loss. Am J Clin Nutr. 1997 Apr;65(4):908-15.

    www.ajcn.org/content/65/4/908.full.pdf
  • Elizabeth_C34
    Elizabeth_C34 Posts: 6,376 Member
    Just reposting Alan Aragon's blog post about Dr. Lustig here: http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/01/29/the-bitter-truth-about-fructose-alarmism/

    Be sure to read the comments where Lustig gets his face handed to him on a silver platter by that pesky little thing called science.
  • AeolianHarp
    AeolianHarp Posts: 463 Member
    lol @ Lustig.
  • EbbySoo
    EbbySoo Posts: 267 Member
    Just reposting Alan Aragon's blog post about Dr. Lustig here: http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/01/29/the-bitter-truth-about-fructose-alarmism/

    Be sure to read the comments where Lustig gets his face handed to him on a silver platter by that pesky little thing called science.

    Hahahaah sweeeeet. If sugar is toxic I'm dying a slow and pleasurable death.
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
    lol @ Lustig.

    Did you mean Dr LOLstig?
  • callmeBAM
    callmeBAM Posts: 445 Member
    "Dr. Robert Lustig, a pediatric endocrinologist at the University of California, believes the high amount of sugar in the American diet, much of it in processed foods, is killing us."
    OK, that does not sounds crazy to me. I have to agree with that.

    "And as Dr. Sanjay Gupta reports, new scientific research seems to support his theory that sugar is toxic, including some linking the excess ingestion of sugars to heart disease."
    That is widely believed. Ever seen Food Matters?

    I don't understand the haters who posted before me. I have never heard of this Lustig guy but sounds like he is on the right path.
  • lilojoke
    lilojoke Posts: 427 Member
    I am going to pass out soon just ate 25g of sugar in my oats. Everything can kill us even organic apples, bananas and meats.
  • sarahc001
    sarahc001 Posts: 477 Member
    lol @ Lustig.

    Did you mean Dr LOLstig?

    apropos that his name actually translates to "funny" in english...
  • lilojoke
    lilojoke Posts: 427 Member
    Just reposting Alan Aragon's blog post about Dr. Lustig here: http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/01/29/the-bitter-truth-about-fructose-alarmism/

    Be sure to read the comments where Lustig gets his face handed to him on a silver platter by that pesky little thing called science.

    Hahahaah sweeeeet. If sugar is toxic I'm dying a slow and pleasurable death.

    After those timbits you should have passed out in coma! Guess sugar is good! :D
  • EricNCSU
    EricNCSU Posts: 699 Member
    Did you see they took the word gullible out of the dictionary?
  • chevy88grl
    chevy88grl Posts: 3,937 Member
    In case everyone has forgotten... no one gets out of this thing alive.


    Everything can kill us. Even water. So, I'm going to enjoy my life and not worry and fret about things so much. Stress can kill, ya know?
  • MaryPhillips90
    MaryPhillips90 Posts: 236 Member
    Everything will kill you.
    Just enjoy.
  • callmeBAM
    callmeBAM Posts: 445 Member
    So, is heroine ok in moderation? Anthrax? Cyanide? I mean, if EVERYTHING is OK in moderation...

    If no, than the rule doesn't work.
  • MB_Positif
    MB_Positif Posts: 8,897 Member
    about to go put some sugar in my second cup of coffee. real sugar.
  • ElizabethRoad
    ElizabethRoad Posts: 5,138 Member
    So, is heroine ok in moderation? Anthrax? Cyanide? I mean, if EVERYTHING is OK in moderation...

    If no, than the rule doesn't work.
    Who are you replying to? Who said everything is OK in moderation?
  • obeserat
    obeserat Posts: 218 Member
    Did you see they took the word gullible out of the dictionary?

    I read somewhere if you say oranges very slowly it sounds like gullible
  • lilojoke
    lilojoke Posts: 427 Member
    Everything will kill you.
    Just enjoy.

    ^^^ THIS!!!
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
    So, is heroine ok in moderation? Anthrax? Cyanide? I mean, if EVERYTHING is OK in moderation...

    If no, than the rule doesn't work.

    Classic, first arguing against something that no one brought up, then citing the extreme to do so.
  • sexforjaffacakes
    sexforjaffacakes Posts: 1,001 Member
    So, is heroine ok in moderation? Anthrax? Cyanide? I mean, if EVERYTHING is OK in moderation...

    If no, than the rule doesn't work.

    actually, depending on doses yeah, you can take anything in limited quantities. And equally, everything can and will kill you in massive quantities.
    No substance will kill you if you take it in a safe amount.

    Of course, the safe amount of heroin will be a millionth of the safe amount of sugar.
  • Elizabeth_C34
    Elizabeth_C34 Posts: 6,376 Member
    So, is heroine ok in moderation? Anthrax? Cyanide? I mean, if EVERYTHING is OK in moderation...

    If no, than the rule doesn't work.

    Just because it's white and kinda powdery doesn't mean sugar behaves like cocaine. Though, I suppose snorting lines of confectioner's sugar would probably do some damage to your nostrils not unlike snorting cocaine. I can't imagine how bad of a headache you'd get though... sheesh...

    Seriously though, this argument is ridiculous. The human body needs sugar and converts most our food to glucose for fuel. Lustig is a loudmouth quack who has made a LOT of money with his anti-sugar campaign and gotten his face on every major network as well.

    The guy has routinely been shot down when confronted with facts based in unbiased randomized studies (Alan's blog is only one example of where his theories just don't stand up in the face of science). The truth of the obesity epidemic in this country is that cheap high-calorie low-nutrient food is becoming a staple of life, and physical activity levels are too low among the general public. Eat less, move more. This should be our approach to dealing with this crisis, not blaming a single sub-macronutrient.
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
    And to all you Primal followers and Sisson fans, if you believe that sugar is toxic, Sisson is trying to kill you

    Take a look at the ingredients of his Primal Fuel

    pfuel_nutrition_facts.gif
  • EbbySoo
    EbbySoo Posts: 267 Member
    So, is heroine ok in moderation? Anthrax? Cyanide? I mean, if EVERYTHING is OK in moderation...

    If no, than the rule doesn't work.

    /facepalm. LOL.
  • Clarecbear82
    Clarecbear82 Posts: 369 Member
    Life will be the death of me so I'm just going to enjoy it!
  • freerange
    freerange Posts: 1,722 Member
    And to all you Primal followers and Sisson fans, if you believe that sugar is toxic, Sisson is trying to kill you

    Take a look at the ingredients of his Primal Fuel

    pfuel_nutrition_facts.gif

    Speaking of people bringing up arguments that no one else did, WHF does that have to do with anything.
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
    And to all you Primal followers and Sisson fans, if you believe that sugar is toxic, Sisson is trying to kill you

    Take a look at the ingredients of his Primal Fuel

    pfuel_nutrition_facts.gif

    Speaking of people bringing up arguments that no one else did, WHF does that have to do with anything.

    I don't know, maybe the topic? Wasn't this thread started to talk about if sugar is toxic or not?
  • mmapags
    mmapags Posts: 8,934 Member
    What an opportunity to grind some axes! My, My!
  • theflyingartist
    theflyingartist Posts: 385 Member
    And to all you Primal followers and Sisson fans, if you believe that sugar is toxic, Sisson is trying to kill you

    Take a look at the ingredients of his Primal Fuel

    pfuel_nutrition_facts.gif

    :laugh: Oh, irony..
  • grinch031
    grinch031 Posts: 1,679
    So, is heroine ok in moderation? Anthrax? Cyanide? I mean, if EVERYTHING is OK in moderation...

    If no, than the rule doesn't work.

    Just because it's white and kinda powdery doesn't mean sugar behaves like cocaine. Though, I suppose snorting lines of confectioner's sugar would probably do some damage to your nostrils not unlike snorting cocaine. I can't imagine how bad of a headache you'd get though... sheesh...

    Seriously though, this argument is ridiculous. The human body needs sugar and converts most our food to glucose for fuel. Lustig is a loudmouth quack who has made a LOT of money with his anti-sugar campaign and gotten his face on every major network as well.

    The guy has routinely been shot down when confronted with facts based in unbiased randomized studies (Alan's blog is only one example of where his theories just don't stand up in the face of science). The truth of the obesity epidemic in this country is that cheap high-calorie low-nutrient food is becoming a staple of life, and physical activity levels are too low among the general public. Eat less, move more. This should be our approach to dealing with this crisis, not blaming a single sub-macronutrient.

    "Eat less, move more" has been the mainstream approach for decades and it has failed time and time again.
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